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Mick.

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Feb 13, 2011, 10:00:06 AM2/13/11
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Hi all,

I could do with some level headed advice please?

I am a man in my 60s I have had a dog most of my life always having them
from a pup until the natural end of their lives.

After a divorce I moved into a housing association ground floor flat 3 years
ago.

There ruling on dogs it that you can bring an existing pet with you but not
get another.

My beloved Jack Russell friend died last year at 13 years old.

I live alone but am mobile I would love to give a home to a rescue pet; I
am retired so we would be together so no problems with the pet from boredom
from being left alone.

I have not approached the housing association yet, I wanted to find the best
way to put my case?

We hear a lot about human rights, as a man living alone who would be better
off with the companionship a pet brings do I have any?

I would welcome any thoughts please.

Mick.


jbm

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Feb 13, 2011, 5:46:39 PM2/13/11
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There ruling on dogs it that you can bring an existing pet with you but not
get another.

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Most housing associations (& councils, for that matter) do state that an
existing pet may be brought in at the start of the tenancy, but that you may
not add one to the household at a later date. However, they are also
generally not ogres, and I'm surprised they have said you may not get
another one.

***** Most landlords will allow a replacement for a pet that has passed on.
***** That is generally stated in any tenancy agreement that allows pets, so
put that to them and see what their reaction is.

Your best bet is to be perfectly honest with them, explain your situation,
and if there was no trouble with your previous pet, make a big deal of it,
and stress what you have said here, that the new one would not be left on
his/her own, that you are still active and can look after it responsibly.
Pile it on; they may then start thinking rationally and say maybe. Expect
them to insist on meeting the new pet before they make a final decision, and
that it may be on probation for a few months. They may also ask for a
reference from your doctor to the effect that you are still sane and
healthy, and in his opinion having a pet will be to your benefit.

At the end of the day it is your landlord's decision, and all I can suggest
is that you make your case, begging on your knees if necessary, putting
yourself at their mercy. You were very lucky finding one who originally
allowed you to keep your dog in the first place, so see if you can get
through to their good nature. Best of luck.

jim

Mick.

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Feb 14, 2011, 7:17:58 AM2/14/11
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"jbm" <n...@home.ok> wrote in message
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> Most housing associations (& councils, for that matter) do state that an
> existing pet may be brought in at the start of the tenancy, but that you
> may not add one to the household at a later date. However, they are also
> generally not ogres, and I'm surprised they have said you may not get
> another one.
>
> ***** Most landlords will allow a replacement for a pet that has passed
> on. ***** That is generally stated in any tenancy agreement that allows
> pets, so put that to them and see what their reaction is.
>
> Your best bet is to be perfectly honest with them, explain your situation,
> and if there was no trouble with your previous pet, make a big deal of it,
> and stress what you have said here, that the new one would not be left on
> his/her own, that you are still active and can look after it responsibly.
> Pile it on; they may then start thinking rationally and say maybe. Expect
> them to insist on meeting the new pet before they make a final decision,
> and that it may be on probation for a few months. They may also ask for a
> reference from your doctor to the effect that you are still sane and
> healthy, and in his opinion having a pet will be to your benefit.
>
> At the end of the day it is your landlord's decision, and all I can
> suggest is that you make your case, begging on your knees if necessary,
> putting yourself at their mercy. You were very lucky finding one who
> originally allowed you to keep your dog in the first place, so see if you
> can get through to their good nature. Best of luck.
>
> jim

Thank you very much Jim,
I will approach a housing officer and keep my fingers crossed.
Mick.


Mick.

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Feb 21, 2011, 1:21:16 PM2/21/11
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"Mick." <mrcy...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thank you very much Jim,
> I will approach a housing officer and keep my fingers crossed.
> Mick.

Hi jim,
I was pleasently surprised the housing officer said yes (I do have
it in writing)
I picked him up today, he is a Border crossed Pattersdale puppy 8 weeks old.

Last time I had a puppy was 13 years ago!
Thanks for your help.
Mick.

jbm

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Feb 23, 2011, 11:52:08 PM2/23/11
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"Mick." wrote in message
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Hi jim,
I was pleasently surprised the housing officer said yes (I do have
it in writing)
I picked him up today, he is a Border crossed Pattersdale puppy 8 weeks old.

Last time I had a puppy was 13 years ago!
Thanks for your help.
Mick.

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Well done, Mick. I'm pleased it went your way. They aren't generally ogres,
and will listen to reason. At least the decent one do.

I guess you'll be alright with him, since he's still so young (bit young to
be away from his mother?!), so at least you'll be able to train him your way
with no bad habits already in there. One word of advice: with him so young,
and assuming his vaccinations aren't complete, you may find a problem when
he meets other dogs. I prefer to keep the pups for about 12 weeks after
birth, so they can spend a lot of time with their siblings learning their
socialisation skills. There's nothing worse than a dog not getting on with
other dogs. Hopefully you already know a number of other dog owners, so when
you see them, explain about the early separation, and ask for their help
along those lines.

I'm in my 60's myself, and am now on my 4th Border Collie in 30 years. All
have been rescues, and all pretty good in their own individual ways. The
last one was handed to me by mistake, and by the time the error was
discovered, it was too late. She had 4 pups 6 weeks after I got her, and she
turned out to be a fully trained working sheepdog. Apparently the centre's
investment, and she was to train the shepherds!!! I told them what had
happened, and what I had discovered, they went very quiet and said "Our
mistake. She's yours."

The current 'lodger', on the other hand, is a fully trained idiot. She's a
tri-merle, 7 years old, and brilliant at what she does, which isn't much
that's useful, but great fun to be with. She does have a problem with other
dogs, but we have been lucky to have some good people around here, and she
does have half a dozen or so friends that she trusts, with them respecting
her space when necessary.

Hope everything works out for you both. Post occasionally to let me know how
it's going. I look in here a couple of times a week.

jim


Mick.

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Apr 3, 2011, 6:19:01 AM4/3/11
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Hello jbm,

An update on how things are at the moment.

With the crate, I am afraid I gave up!

Despite I never forced him into it, but fed him in it and gave him treats
and played with him to get him to go into it, he cried as soon as I shut the
door if I was going out or trying to go to bed, and pooed in it.

As I said there is a flat above me and I am concuss of noise nuisance, and
sound travels worse at night to me.

At the moment I am using the crate plastic tray as a tray to put the
newspaper for him to wee and poo on, he is getting better but sometimes just
forgets, I then put him on the paper if I see him weeing/pooing any where
else.

The really good news is as soon as I removed the crate he has been quiet
with his bed in the living room and me back in my bed, and it was good to
get out of the reclining chair to sleep!

When out for toilet walks he now realises he gets a reward and as soon as he
starts to go to toilet he is looking at me to receive his treat, I feel
happy with how that is going.

A man is working on restoring an old shop opposite my flat, and he
approached me to pet "Charlie" it turns out he has a brother and often
brings him to work, so we have since got them together, I honestly do not
think they recognised each other, but were soon playing in a real; tumble
way!

I have also been going for walks with another man who has a year old dog and
they get on well.

We have training classes booked that start the last week of April.

I am now feeding him on Fresh minced beef cooked lightly with frozen mixed
vegetables and some rice in it, he seems to like it, it is soon gone, he
still has the puppy dried food he can nibble any time, but he does not eat
much of it.

All in all I am very happy with Charlie and he seems happy and well.

Mick.


jbm

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Apr 5, 2011, 6:37:40 PM4/5/11
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Hello jbm,

Mick.

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Hi Mick

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear everything is going well with Charlie.
Pleased to hear has found some friends and getting on well with them.

I think you ought to consider getting him onto a doggie diet. What you are
feeding him is OK within limits, but he really should be having a specialist
dog food, especially at his age. These foods contain all the extra vitamins
and minerals he needs to develop properly, which probably aren't in, or in
not enough quantity, in fresh meat and frozen vegetables. I feed Molly on a
locally produced all-in dry diet from a local chandler. It's cheap (£13 for
15kg, which lasts her about two months), and she thrives on it. Much cheaper
than cans or trademarked food (£28 for the same thing). Have a look around
your local area for something similar, found in the Yellow Pages under Pet
Supplies or Farm Supplies. Otherwise have a word with your vet about
supplements he may be able to recommend.

Training classes should be fun. I always say that the owners benefit more
than the dogs. :-)

All the best

jim

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