Gas cooker point
Bobby Bewl
former and sent the latter back as he reckons my cooker point is too high
and should be on the left. He also says the 20 year bayonet point should be
pointing down. Another Gas Safe man says there are no such rules/regs.
Does anyone on here know what the regs are for the gas cooker point?
Bobby
Ash
"Bobby Bewl" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
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Haven't a clue myself Bobby. My gas point is on the right, faces upwards and
is about 6" off the floor and it just passed the gas safety inspection.
Ash
js.b1
Well "should" in law is different in meaning to "must".
Cross-posted to uk.d-i-y because there are actual gas safe people
there :-)
Heliotrope Smith
Probably what you are paying for the comet gas safe fitter to do is connect
to a convenient existing cooker point.
The flexible pipe should hang in a U shape without touching the floor.
The fact that he wants the bayonet fitting on the left is probably because
the cooker connection is on the right and the hose could kink if the
connectors were too close together.
Without seeing the job and the cooker it would be difficuld to judge if the
fitting was too high. Generally 750mm from the floor is about right.
The bayonet fitting should be pointing down otherwise the hose could not
hang in a neat U shape.
It is unlikely in his remit to make any alterations to the fixed pipework.
Graham
"Bobby Bewl" <a...@b.com> wrote in message
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Are you saying that the flexible hose of the new cooker will not
comfortably reach the existing gas point because it enters the
cooker on the opposite side to the old one?
--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%
Bobby Bewl
"js.b1" <js...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I am not a lawyer so I do not know. In any event it does not help me
although your cross posting is a good idea - thank you.
Bobby
Bobby Bewl
"Heliotrope Smith" <sm...@heliotrope.moc> wrote in message
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wants to connect and check for leaks to a specific gas point. Mine, he
says, does not meet regulations and for him to connect is "illegal" (his
words not mine). Also the driver said it was their last job of Sunday (late
in the afternoon) and they had been everywhere. I hope they were not in a
hurry to get home hence his reluctance to connect to the existing point.
As to paragraphs 2,3,4 and 5, thank you for that useful information.
Bobby
Bobby Bewl
"Graham" <m...@privacy.com> wrote in message
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comfortably reach the existing gas point. The gas point and the cooker gas
point are on the same side i.e. back to back. The existing cooker is the
same. The Comet Gas Safe man says that it is against regs. Whilst the
cooker gas point is on the right; the wall gas point should be on the left.
The hose thereby reaching across the 600 mm back of the cooker in a U hung
shape. Whereas at the moment it hangs tight in a U shape being back to back
on the right.
Bobby
YAPH
> On Oct 13, 9:55 pm, "Bobby Bewl" <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> Comet have delivered a gas cooker and a Gas Safe man. I have kept the
>> former and sent the latter back as he reckons my cooker point is too high
>> and should be on the left. He also says the 20 year bayonet point should be
>> pointing down. Another Gas Safe man says there are no such rules/regs.
>> Does anyone on here know what the regs are for the gas cooker point?
> Cross-posted to uk.d-i-y because there are actual gas safe people
> there :-)
You'd probably find chapter and verse in the appropriate British Standard,
which I'll look up for you if you'll just supply me with your valid Credit
Card details ;-)
My older (3rd) edition of the installers' "Essential Gas Safety" manual
(the current copy lives in the van) says that the hose should be looped
downwards and under no stress. This would imply that the bayonet outlet
must face down. and that the bayonet should be positioned such that the
hose can hang in such a loop when the cooker is in its normal position.
--
John Stumbles -- http://yaph.co.uk
Death is nature's way of telling you to slow down
Bobby Bewl
"YAPH" <use...@yaph.co.uk> wrote in message
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Thank you for that. I am going to have another chat with the second, local
Gas Safe Man about the matter and get him to install the cooker.
Bobby
js.b1
- Historic - gas supply point 500-600mm from the floor... 50-150mm
from the RHS
- Current - standards suggest 750mm with no guidance L or R
- Bayonet fitting - example diagram show a downwards pointing wall
fitting
Such that the hose can hang free, without being stressed, below any
oven flue outlet, and permit the cooker to be moved forward to enable
disconnection of a bayonet fitting.
I suspect 750mm has been chosen to reduce the risk of someone tipping
a cooker over trying to reach down, stability bracket &/or chain not
withstanding. I grew up with an old cast iron cannon, so heavy it was
hilarious, miserable insulation, and pilots leaked like a pig such
that the HSE would have put it on a military test range and blown it
up.
Go with a local fitter so you have an easy single point of
responsibility.
Pete Verdon
> On Oct 13, 9:55 pm, "Bobby Bewl" <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> and should be on the left. He also says the 20 year bayonet point should be
>> pointing down. Another Gas Safe man says there are no such rules/regs.
>> Does anyone on here know what the regs are for the gas cooker point?
> Cross-posted to uk.d-i-y because there are actual gas safe people
> there :-)
I'm not GasSafe (I might or might not be gas safe) but I believe a
bayonet elbow is supposed to point down. The idea is that if the hose
becomes disconnected it will fall out, and the spring-loaded valve in
the elbow will close. Otherwise, the hose fitting could disconnect
sufficiently to be no longer sealed, but remain sitting in place with
its central prong still holding the valve open, creating a leak.
Pete
Pete Verdon
> Pete Verdon <ne...@verdonet.organisation.unitedkingdom.invalid> wrote:
>> Otherwise, the hose fitting could disconnect
>> sufficiently to be no longer sealed, but remain sitting in place with
>> its central prong still holding the valve open, creating a leak.
> If it's a sensible design, the central prong should disengage /before/ the
> seal breaks.
It's true that it *should*, but not having played with one recently I
can't remember if it actually is made that way or not. Since it's a
standard connection it's not trivial to introduce an improved version,
so I wouldn't be amazed to find that it doesn't have the failsafe you
describe.
Pete
dennis@home
"Pete Verdon" <ne...@verdonet.organisation.unitedkingdom.invalid> wrote in
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> I'm not GasSafe (I might or might not be gas safe) but I believe a bayonet
> elbow is supposed to point down. The idea is that if the hose becomes
> disconnected it will fall out, and the spring-loaded valve in the elbow
> will close. Otherwise, the hose fitting could disconnect sufficiently to
> be no longer sealed, but remain sitting in place with its central prong
> still holding the valve open, creating a leak.
That would be a pretty stupid design assumption.. the hoses are so stiff
they probably wouldn't fall out anyway.
You would have to have it 6 foot up the wall and hanging down to get it to
fall out.
I would think the reason you have it pointing down is to stop dirt falling
in it.
Bobby Bewl
Right! I found a down-to-earth common sense Gas Safe man who left the
cooker point at the same height (about 750 mm) and move it about 100m to the
left to avoid hitting the gas pipe inlet on the back of the cooker. He
fixed a bayonet point pointing downwards on the wall point. Installed a new
4 foot hose using PTFE tape at either end. Spray some stuff to check for
leaks Gone are the days of using washing up liquid and water, it seems.
Total cost for less than 30 minutes work was �50. Another Gas Safe man
wanted �145. Comet are to refund �89.95 for a simple no nonsense fitting
and �8.95 for scrap removal as I'm taking the old cooker apart and taking it
to the Sunday dust cart myself.
I would also add the fellow offered to give me a hand to take outside the
old cooker, which I declined.
So common sense prevails and is a live and well in some gas fitters minds
but not Comet ones.
Bobby