Data Mine This!

[alan jones]

On 1/6/2016 3:58 PM, alan jones wrote:
> On 5/27/2015 7:36 PM, alan jones wrote:
>> On 01/02/2015 12:58, alan jones wrote:
>>
>>> So many uses for our OLD data. Each seeing only what he seeks.
>>> The flaws of Data mined without its true context, used so that
>>> there is no room for protest.
>>>
>>> Information as data, to be taken on appearance, then confused
>>> for knowledge. Data which sits in perpetuity together with our
>>> latest recent opinions. Data left to find a use against the
>>> latest culturally programmed agendas.
>>>
>>
>> And then there's data as a source for confusion.
>>
>> Take the tale of two Fishfoods. Two very different people who
>> happened to share the same made up handle. No connection between
>> them, except for what followed as the one was confused for the
>> other.
>>
>> The first FISHFOOD was a thorn in the rump of the establishment,
>> one of those old fashion whistlers who were all the rage when the
>> net was first formed. Some might have sought to extract this thorn
>> by any means fair or fowl. The other Fishfood, was a fan, is still
>> a fan of the late great MJ.
>>
>> By accident or design their paths converged. Without explanation
>> the system turned blindly in their direction, seeking one only
>> to stumble upon the other. No questions asked, no quarter given,
>> just the actions of blind gullible mules, reacting to a focus
>> which now persists without explanation.
>>
>> This is automation at its crudest. A paper chase which should
>> long have ended, but which continues even now because that focus
>> remains unchanged, unchangeable, uncorrectable. Something about
>> our trolls with their own agendas, who are simply taken on
>> appearance.
>>
>> I can only speculate on the cause. Some kind of A.i playing God.
>> A.i playing 'three degrees of separation', to create these mangled
>> connections between identities and types.
>>
>> Or perhaps instead of blaming A.i I should acknowledge the role
>> of H.i. Basic Human Incompetence. A situation which seems destined
>> to grow. Frustration with not finding what it seeks, leading to
>> a desperate self-serving confusion of purpose.
>>
>>
>> On some things A.i only has to speculate, for human nature to do
>> the rest, such is the test placed upon our reason. Here inventing
>> something to do, is considered better than having nothing to do.
>>
>> And then there is another thought, one based on the rules of Supply
>> and Demand, where any potential, however unlikely, is identified by
>> A.i only for others with darker motives to turn that potential into
>> a reality.
>>
>> Again one can only speculate on this past, and this future.
>>
>> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---
>
>
> This just in :
>
> HOW COVERT AGENTS INFILTRATE THE INTERNET TO MANIPULATE, DECEIVE,
> AND DESTROY REPUTATIONS
>
> Glenn Greenwald
> Feb. 24 2014, 11:25 p.m
>
> One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the
> Snowden archive is how western intelligence[?] agencies are attempting
> to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of
> deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of
> that story, complete with the relevant documents.
>
> Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series
> of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by G**Q’s previously
> secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These
> were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and
> the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance.
> Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document,
> in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert
> Operations.”
>
> By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted
> some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and
> Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks
> they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring
> people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses.
> But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point
> revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are
> attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online
> discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the
> internet itself.
>
> Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics:
> (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order
> to destroy the reputation of its targets; and
>
> (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online
> discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.
>
> To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics
> they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations”
> (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to
> someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of
> the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting
> “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative
> list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today:
>
> https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/
>
> --0--
>
> To all this i would add the relatively recent phenomena whereby
> social media 'profiles' are now available as automated summaries
> of net activity. These unofficial, and therefore unchallenged,
> uncorrectable 'profiles'are available to whomever now shows an
> interest. These profiles are made to persist, so that they become
> a focus to be repeated by as many as have access to them, all with
> no thought on the veracity of their claims.
>
> What follows goes beyond any law or any court. Some might call it
> an unnatural justice. The effects of these centralized sources of
> disinformation are, as yet, undocumented, but one might coin the
> phrase, 'The profile Effect' to borrow from that other phenomena
> of psychology, The Observer Effect.
>
> This effect would start with the profile, and then look at the
> 'cumulative effect' of all those responding to what was determined
> to be your profile. This profile might in time become fulfilling
> just by virtue of all those repeating its claims.
>
> Quite how this 'Profile Effect' would manifest itself in the rest
> of society would be anyone's guess, but just imagine its effects
> as more and more people were caught in this web from which they
> could never escape. More and more people subject to A.i's best
> guess, as it set about data mining with the latest hot topics in
> mind. A.i seeking X would see only X, even where the CONTEXT was
> 'NOT X'.
>
> These automated Summaries, which might otherwise be seen as Hearsay,
> would become these automated Profiles to invite an equally automated
> response by those 'inbetweeners' whom one hears very little of.
> Blind Actions leading to confused reactions, as it allowed no
> feedback, no defense, and no correction. No way for A.i to learn
> of its mistakes.
>
> Imagine more and more people at the mercy of these technologies,
> with mischievous trolls on one side, and keen zealots on the other.
> One would be left to wonder at all those inexplicable reactions at
> large in society, for which there seemed no fathomable cause.
>
>
> Complete the loop.
>
> --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ne...@netfront.net ---



The other 'FishFood'

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!activity/uk.politics.misc/6WmzrjWRH4sJ

[FishFood]

Time doesn't stand still. There is always the latest. The latest
on this never ending quest to believe whatever they are are told.
This is about the victor writing history to suit his times.

Agendas to pass as the unrecorded, the obscure, the largely unknown.
This is about what we do to ourselves, the ways we engineer this
circle. Ways to think, ways to see, ways to be seen. A mask on our
true natures.

Its that time again. Time to enthrall the current generation with
a thought, and a crooked sense of purpose. An idea of the incredible,
and the unforgivable. This older idea to replace our former sense
of duty.

And so to that end, we'll find this other use for the dead. Well,
it worked here, so why not over there. The dead can be relied on
to play their part for good, or for ill. The dead wont question
their accusers, who as the living organized around a lie, can only
ever seem credible.

There is just a matter of the lose ends, the loose lips who might
still sink this ship, those who at the time thought to raise the
necessary questions, who with a living memory of events, stand in
the way of the latest generation, reliant on second-hand scribes
for their disinformation.

'No country for old men', or so says a title in that mater of fact
way. This title to hint at we we now receive and accept without
thought. No room for old cans of beings, better make room on the
shelf. And how.

With no wars to speak of there is just a question of how you make
this idea of the improbable, all the more likely. Ideas accepted
for the other, absorbed until one find its applied to you. Yep
your time will come.

Eternal everlasting, because there is no end to our numbers.
Everlasting, a handful of ideas which can't exist without
constant reprisal. Ideas demanding their existence, revoked for
their perpetual influence. There are too many advantages to those
old forms for them to languish, and so they are encouraged in
ways which defy sense. Just hold that thought.

Then as now. Now as then. The same profitable hysteria. Each
new generation to serve those ideas. In the moment with no
clear understanding why, simply saying what you need to say to
survive. In the moment with that trained reflex but no clear
thought for how. I guess dysfunction must also count as a
necessary part of the script. We are all just cans of beans..

Spooks come and spooks will go, replaced like the rest of humanity.
Ghouls who never seem to see the rest of their kind. Their history
a mystery. Mythical types deemed necessary for the greater good.
Few will see them as they work their magic, fewer will bare witness
to their tragic consequences. Along with latest they too are eternal.

Who i wonder still has the facts... who out there is still capable
of questioning the lies, deceptions, the out-right false hoods used
in the first instance to provide a generation with a false sense
of purpose?

They believed, and so too should we. Believe in appearances,
believe then act according to their influences, believe because
what else can we do? Its enough to be thought special, to think
simply as the group thinks.

Time doesn't stand still, there is always the latest. The latest
to the same thoughts, the latest to the same scripts and the same
controls.


--

Nation to nation, all the world must come together,
Face the problems that we see,
Then maybe somehow we can work it out.

I asked my neighbor for a favor, she said, later.
What has come of all the people,
have we lost love of what it's about?

I have to find my peace cause no one seems to let me be.
False prophets cry of doom, what are the possibilities?

I told my brother there'll be problems times and tears for fears,
But we must live each day like it's the last.
Go with it, go with it.

Jam.


The world keeps changing, rearranging minds and thoughts,
Predictions fly of doom, the baby boom has come of age,
we'll work it out.

I told my brother, don't you ask me for no favors,
I'm conditioned by the system, don't you talk to me,
don't you scream and shout.

She prays to God, to Buddha, then she sings a Talmud song.
Confusions contradict the self, do we know right from wrong?

I just want you to recognize me, I'm the temple,
You can't hurt me, I found peace within myself.
Go with it, go with it.

Jam.


Jam - from the album Dangerous November 1991.

[FishFood]

Time Line:

If anyone were to produce a serious movie, or for that matter a
documentary on the events which overtook Micheal Jackson, they
would have to start with the ominously titled album Dangerous.

November 91.

The song 'Black or White' featured amongst other things a video
directed by John Landis, with the ground breaking morphing video
where people of different races transformed into each other singing
the words 'black or white'. The video also sees Micheal Jackson
transforming into a black panther, before a dance sequences where
he smashes car and shop windows featuring offensive [censored] slogans.

The song spent 7 weeks at #1. whilst its video was on continuous
rotation in various edited forms around the world.

April 92.

Then there came the infamous Rodney King trial with its results
triggering the LA riots where 63 people lost their lives together
with property damage costing millions..


May 92.

A van carrying Micheal Jackson and his entourage breaks down in
LA close to a garage part owned by Mr Chandler who is quickly on
the scene to lend his assistance.

Mr Chandler soon has his son befriend Micheal Jackson who is
in the middle of a world tour, but finds time to get to know
the Chandlers. Mr Chander, Jordy chandler and his estranged
wife become close friends of Micheal Jackson.

The Chandlers as a perfectly profiled package includes his own
financial concerns, a son who looked like MJ, together with other
shady characters with connections to black market drugs. Key in
all this is his part ownership of that garage which created the
perfect opportunity. Micheal only had to be in LA to be sure of
breaking down near Chandler.


May 93.

Fast forward a year later, to the world music awards where Jordy
Chandler and his mother accompanies Micheal Jackson. Jordy is
pictured dressed as a 'mini-me' verson of Micheal Jackson as part
of the publicity for the on going 'Dangerous' album and world
tour campaigns.


May 93.

Chandler is approached by people whom he describes in a tape
recording as 'the experts'.

These 'experts' persuades him to act against Micheal Jackson,
they also outline a plan and a roll call of events to take place
to a specific time table. This is documented in a taped conversation
between Chandler and the other owner of the garage.

June 93.

Chandler starts the first of those premeditated events. He first
approaches Micheal Jackson for a 'movie deal', handing out letters
with his demands. This is flatly refused by Micheal Jackson.

He secures his son from his estranged wife and away from the rest
of the family, holds his son for several weeks despite protests
and letters from his wife's lawyers. Over the course of time he
plys his son with mind altering drugs on the excuse of pulling his
son's tooth. This is made the pretext for his son's apparent
confessions.

Events of this time even has Jordon Chandler drawing a picture of
himself jumping off a building, committing suicide with with a
note to his father 'don't make me do this'.

Also documented from this time is a letter from Chandler following
up on discussions with his lawyers on ways to avoid purjurying himself.
The plan is to have Jordy reveal his story to a third party who would
then alert the authorities.

The beauty of this plan is if Jordy isn't convincing, the rest of
this plan would never see the light of day. If Jordy is convincing
then this 'professional' would lend his authority to the claims made.

[As a passing note the hysteria of those times included a phenomena
of 'recovered memory' or false memory syndrome, where numerous
psychiatrists with the aid of drugs and their persuasion contributed
to the headlines sought those times. The result was numerous stories,
often false, originating in a practice which was later discredited.

Any documentary would have to include something on the prevailing
culture of those times, in order to provide some context for the
events which followed, an idea of what the public was primed to
believe.]

The rest is history, a shit storm on both sides of the Atlantic with
tabloid money chasing a story which took on a life of its own.

The story appeared to end when Micheal was given a means by which to
end the saga. A civil case was allowed ahead of the Criminal case.
Which he was advised could drag on for up to seven years. This unusual
step force Micheal to settle but not before his name, and career was
sullied by the accusation. It also created a precedence. Note the
Civil case also comes with a lower burden of proof, and would have
included charges such as 'emotional damage' etc, which was a standard
for those litigious times.

As for the rest of this time line.

Well the president of those times, together with his family later went
on to attended one of Micheal Jackson's concerts in Australia, and even
attended a Charity together with ex-Russian president Gorbachev, where
micheal jackson was praised for his charity work. One could
see this as some kind of rehabilitation.

As a side, one of investigators hired by Chandler is known to have
also provided his services, prior to those events, to this other
more famous figure. This point alluding to insider knowledge of
the chandlers.


And so to now, where one supposes we possibly have a third generation
of spook, acting on the little which made it to the public domain to
exploit our ignorance of those events, and in that way add to our
present culture.

The rest of this history would have to account of the judiciary in
that part of the world, in particular the DA. Not to mention the
subsequent trial where a change in the local laws made it possible
for those who had sold their stories, to be subpoenaed to testify.

All this came to nowt as the subsequent trial should have cleared
Micheal Jackson's name for posterity. Instead we have this latest
attempt to exploit our mis-perceptions and in that way keep this
crooked influence at the fore of the collective consciousness.
Anything for a buck.

Any serious attempt at a documentary, would look at this phenomena
and what it is meant to represent in our collective unconscious.
The other mimes served by these influences. Then as now, now as
then.


As for me, i wont mention my encounters with online 'trolls' or
those other mischive makers trailing signatures, 'miss-quotes of
a song review together with my email address into the forums of
uk police'. Such tactics i suppose could be done by anyone, but
it seems decidedly spooky to me.

[If i am to be judge by 'association', then i should be judged by
my knowledge of those events, and not according the little which
passes for received information.]



see also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_entrepreneur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory_syndrome

[Fishfood]

On 02/02/2019 16:31, FishFood wrote:
> On 31/01/2019 01:18, FishFood wrote:

Its another year and it seems my fate is to remain a name on a list.

Another year to be poked and probed, another year as fodder
for the newest recruits, who otherwise would have nothing to do.

Another year for the latest believers, to prove their worth as
repeaters, clueless to the defunct source of their reports.

They certainly wont read beyond those titles to find what's
hidden there.

I am just a name on a list, an identity associated to an idea.
That idea acting as motive in a system of misdirection. Its as
if to say, don't bother reading that, believe this instead.

No one thinks on their effects, as habits becomes routines, and
routines becomes procedures. "Habits, routines and procedures
going unnoticed by the latest".

This is the world as no one imagined it.

Human beings acting on the say-so of machines, acting on the
categories of associations created for those machines.
Those Categories without the facts, to bias the perceptions of
all who follow. They wont see this machine for its speculations.

All this is of course 'off the record', unofficial, never
openly declared. Instead the agenda of these would-be assessors
is murmured by 'colleagues' to signal the latest. Minds are
left poisoned by whatever it is 'these latest testers' seek.

Who knew?

Who knew online Trolls could have this effect. Who knew Trolls
were deployed to have this effect, signaling the 'removal' of
anyone they come up against.

What follows is outside the law, outside the courts, outside
our claims of freedom or civil-liberties. What follows is
simply procedural.

What follows is dark, unofficial. Actions seeking reactions.
Programs where the Cause wont ever see its Effects. This is
about those Stories and headlines from which the truth rarely
emerges. Stories otherwise dismissed as the unprovoked or
inexplicable.

And so one year rolls into the next, for the latest to have
their way with the names on their list. For fandom, read the
heretics of ages past.

Believe or Else!

[FishFood]

The data never lies,
we'll manipulate to control, twist to persuade,
as that data never lies.

Trolls come and trolls go, bored informants seeking something to do,
acting out their angst, they'll creatively influence the data,
'to make it happen in the real world'.

AI evolves, or so we have to believe, and as it does it lays claim
to the same old data. The data of AI past, mined and reworked,
becomes the data of AI future.

We are all now just so much data.

Data, results of those who can't know the consequences of what they do.
Data emergent from those systems which exist on blind trust. Data which
was never intended for this new use. Data created in jest to take on a
life no one could have predicted.

We exist as names on lists.

Ai generated lists, the product of programs where no one knew what
would follow next. List based on what's now called online history.
Which at the time had you blindly accepting biased search results
with secondary motives, which appeared to satisfy your primary inquiry.

This data without a 'use by data', is made to circulate in perpetuity.
Lists to form the basis for more lists, names bounced from one agenda
to the next, so that the source is obscure, lost, hidden. So that no
one knows the facts, the details, the truth upon which these lists
are based.

Names and lists. Lists as categories, summaries, titled claims.
Alarms and identities waiting to be acted on, and how.

No one to check. No means of defense. No counter AI to seek out
the contradictions, the inconsistencies, the other real motives
for this claim of information.

These lists to be processed, not read. The next to these lists to
accept and assume, or guess at, and then act on.

Data as culture, to inform our expectation, and warp our perception.
Data as psychology, to nudge its actors towards that one outcome.
Data as profiles, as fait accompli, as acts accompli, for routine
to mold and shape minds.


There should be study on how these systems actually work. Study
building on history and experiences. Study to help us not fall into
the same traps, the same lazy ways of thinking, the same cognitive
lead mistakes.

Its now normal on the eve of that next big event to go prod the
names on those lists, this we do again and again, to conjure that
odd convergence, the headlines which in its own way promotes the
same things happening again.

Intelligence with no sense of time or timing, isn't intelligence.

In every other area of life there would be study, qualification for
that new profession. Qualification to signal not only our knowledge
of the new practices, but our acknowledgment of past mistakes.

I don't see that here. Instead we are made to accept and adapt
to this greater intelligence.

Data.

the product of automated surveillance,
the product of wish filled ideals,
the product of detached data sciences.
the product of bored trolls,

signaling by any means, those it wants silenced then removed.

Data.

used ahead of the next election, or the next war,
as just another means by which you leverage an advantage,
where the only record is the box used to contain and label
any and all potential for future desent.