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> On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:17:43 +0000
> "David B." <DavidB nomail.afraid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 25/02/2017 10:48, John Corliss wrote:
>> > R wrote:
>> >> John Corliss wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> That is, unless it can't block W10's hard-coded IPs and ports.
>> >>>
>> >>> Otherwise, it even works with XP:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/22/net-disabler/
>> >>>
>> >>> Program is here:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.sordum.org/9660/net-disabler-v1-0/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+3eeweb%2F8+%28Sordum%29
>> >>>
>> >>> or:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/zuz3k5p
>> >>
>> >> At the risk of starting a firestorm
>> >
>> > Pretty obvious after reading your post that this is *exactly* what
>> > you intended.
>> >
>> >> - has anyone any evidence that shows MS
>> >> is actually compromising the security of your systems or your
>> >> privacy that would require actions to stop the transmission of
>> >> system status? I have a pfSense firewall at one of my clients as
>> >> well as WireShark setup on a test system and have trapped the
>> >> outgoing traffic (encrypted) to specific locations with Ireland,
>> >> Hong Kong and Amsterdam being some of the MS server locations as I
>> >> recall. I believe my total IP list was near 20 IP addresses.
>> >>
>> >> I did this months back when I was testing this myth of
>> >> security/privacy being compromised.
>> >
>> > Amount of proof you've provided that it's a myth = 0 (zero).
>> >
>> >> The frequency can be reduced by disabling specific
>> >> settings or uninstalling apps but blocking the IP's only made the
>> >> phoning home attempts increase since it's not able to get the
>> >> handshake done with the server. Something that would only go out
>> >> perhaps once a day was now forced to keep trying many times per
>> >> minute using up system resources.
>> >>
>> >> You can turn off most of the reporting but then you lose the
>> >> capabilities of some of the useful apps.
>> >
>> > Useful only in your opinion. People's needs vary. To violate every
>> > W10 end user's privacy on the off chance that they may use such
>> > "apps" (the correct word being _APPLICATIONS_ on a computer or
>> > maybe utilities, not "apps"*) is just plain wrong. By default,
>> > telemetry should be turned off and then if a person uses any such
>> > "app", the first time they start it is the time to ask if they want
>> > to give up privacy, and only enough to serve the needs of that
>> > "app". To do otherwise (as M$ is indeed doing) gives away
>> > Microsoft's true, duplicitous character.
>> >
>> > *From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/app#Noun , the following:
>> >
>> > app (plural apps)
>> >
>> > 1. (computing, mobile telephony) An application (program),
>> > especially a small one designed for a mobile device.
>> > 2. (informal) appetizer
>> > 3. (military) application (not a computer program)
>> > 4. (sports) an appearance in a game (e.g., a player with 10 apps
>> > in a season played 10 times)
>> >
>> >> I certainly understand the concern but I have yet
>> >> to read a single report from any security firm or on-line blogs
>> >> (Krebs on Security, Paul Thurrott, Windows Secrets, etc..) that
>> >> say privacy or personal data was being compromised.
>> >
>> > Privacy and personal data are compromised the second they're
>> > violated by telemetry. Once such information gathering occurs, you
>> > have no control over how that data is used. You have to take the
>> > word of M$ and that's the issue here.
>> >
>> > Do you, or do you not, believe the word of a corporation which (IMO)
>> > bailed itself out of monopoly charges by (again, IMO) making an
>> > agreement with the United Stated Department of "Justice"?
>> >
>> > https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/
>> >
>> > The original version of that document was 45 pages long.
>> >
>> > No, M$ has no credibility IMO. They're motivated by profit and
>> > backed by the government.
>> >
>> >> Since I couldn't unencrypt the data
>> >> stream going out, I can't say what the data is but if you're using
>> >> Cortana, then yes, what you say is being sent to their servers but
>> >> it is encrypted.
>> >
>> > Then ask yourself: why would it NEED to be encrypted if it doesn't
>> > contain anything which would be of concern?
>> >
>> >> Not being a fan boy for Windows but in my limited experience I
>> >> can't think of how any company that makes an operating system (OS,
>> >> Android, Chrome, Linux or whatever) can not make updates and
>> >> patches without knowing what problems need fixing.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you meant "can (remove the word "not") make updates and
>> > patches without knowing what problems need fixing."
>> >
>> > As for that, there's a little thing called "customer feedback",
>> > which M$ is notorious for ignoring rather than encouraging.
>> >
>> >> If they stopped the phoning home, within 3 months
>> >> everyone would be screaming at them because they didn't get an
>> >> update to a zero-day attack or some bug fix.
>> >
>> > Yes, that's the excuse they use for their telemetry all right.
>> > Funny how earlier version of Windows without telemetry managed to
>> > avoid that kind of thing.
>> >
>> > Besides, this doesn't have anything to do with what they may or may
>> > not be actually using the data for. You would have to be able to
>> > prove that one of the two largest software companies in America
>> > doesn't cooperate with the NSA, CIA, FBI, Department of Fatherland
>> > Security, and the rest of the alphabet soup police state agencies
>> > running amok in the United States. But you can't do that.
>> > Admittedly, I can't prove that they do either, but gambling that
>> > they don't is sheer lunacy.
>> >
>> >> Yes Microsoft keeps the data just as Apple and Google do.
>> >
>> > That, that is exactly what's in question here. *Do* they keep it
>> > _OR_ (far more likely) do they share it with the government?
>> >
>> >> If you can't accept the OS license or their privacy policies then
>> >> use something else.
>> >
>> > *groan* Old snarks like that old one reflect poorly on you. Next
>> > you'll drag out the old "tin hat" one or start calling people Nazis.
>> >
>> > You know perfectly well how limited the options are out there.
>> > That's like saying to a starving person as you hand them a moldy
>> > slice of bread that you just pissed on, "Don't like it? Then go eat
>> > something else!"
>> >
>> >> Oh yeah - anyone use a phone provider that doesn't keep a record
>> >> of your phone calls and just exactly how long do they keep your
>> >> digital phone call metadata?
>> >
>> > Personally, I don't use cell phones. Never have even owned one. And
>> > never will. However, I (along with increasingly more and more
>> > people) am very, very careful what I say on the phone.
>> >
>> >> How about that shopping card you use at the grocery stores - use
>> >> it and they know everything you purchased.
>> >
>> > Only if a person is stupid enough to provide them with their
>> > information when they get the card. Personally, I never use
>> > shopping cards *precisely* because they allow tracking of purchases.
>> >
>> >> How about your credit cards....?
>> >
>> > Don't use them, never have. Never have even had one. Never have
>> > applied for one either. Don't even have a checking account, never
>> > have. Never will.
>> >
>> >> Downsides and benefits to all of those.
>> >
>> > For lazy sheeple.
>> >
>> >> And all those *free* software apps we use. How many of those are
>> >> phoning home after they have scrapped
>> >
>> > "scraped".
>> >
>> >> your system of data used to monetize that free software?
>> >
>> > And how, exactly, would they be monetizing that free software by
>> > gathering and collecting info?
>> >
>> > That's what firewalls are for. And if they operate at a kernal level
>> > (like MS's programming for hard coded ports and IP addresses), then
>> > they get tagged as malware by any number of anti-malware services
>> > and programs.
>> >
>> >> If you have any real evidence, please post back with the proof.
>> >
>> > Evidence? Evidence of what? Oh, that's right:
>> >
>> > "- has anyone any evidence that shows MS is actually compromising
>> > the security of your systems or your privacy that would require
>> > actions to stop the transmission of system status?"
>> >
>> > No, YOU post back with any proof that M$ keeps the data they gather
>> > secure, doesn't share it with Amerika's government.
>> >
>> > Note: like any other large corporation, M$'s word doesn't hold
>> > water.
>> >
>> > One more thing.... There's an old argument concerning the police
>> > state out there which goes:
>> >
>> > "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to
>> > worry about."
>> >
>> > There are numerous claims out on the internet that there's no
>> > effective argument against that statement.
>> >
>> > Well I have one. You may not have anything to hide right now, but
>> > there's no guarantee that in the future you won't. Especially as
>> > freedom grows more and more eroded by excessive lawmaking.
>>
>> Thank you for giving us an insight into your character and
>> philosophy, John.
>>
>> I don't know WHY you worry so much, especially as everything about
>> you is already freely available on-line!
>>
>> https://www.mylife.com/john-corliss/john_corliss
>>
>> You have a great day! :-)
>>
>
>
>
>
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> On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:17:43 +0000
> "David B." <DavidB nomail.afraid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 25/02/2017 10:48, John Corliss wrote:
>> > R wrote:
>> >> John Corliss wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> That is, unless it can't block W10's hard-coded IPs and ports.
>> >>>
>> >>> Otherwise, it even works with XP:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/22/net-disabler/
>> >>>
>> >>> Program is here:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.sordum.org/9660/net-disabler-v1-0/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+3eeweb%2F8+%28Sordum%29
>> >>>
>> >>> or:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/zuz3k5p
>> >>
>> >> At the risk of starting a firestorm
>> >
>> > Pretty obvious after reading your post that this is *exactly* what
>> > you intended.
>> >
>> >> - has anyone any evidence that shows MS
>> >> is actually compromising the security of your systems or your
>> >> privacy that would require actions to stop the transmission of
>> >> system status? I have a pfSense firewall at one of my clients as
>> >> well as WireShark setup on a test system and have trapped the
>> >> outgoing traffic (encrypted) to specific locations with Ireland,
>> >> Hong Kong and Amsterdam being some of the MS server locations as I
>> >> recall. I believe my total IP list was near 20 IP addresses.
>> >>
>> >> I did this months back when I was testing this myth of
>> >> security/privacy being compromised.
>> >
>> > Amount of proof you've provided that it's a myth = 0 (zero).
>> >
>> >> The frequency can be reduced by disabling specific
>> >> settings or uninstalling apps but blocking the IP's only made the
>> >> phoning home attempts increase since it's not able to get the
>> >> handshake done with the server. Something that would only go out
>> >> perhaps once a day was now forced to keep trying many times per
>> >> minute using up system resources.
>> >>
>> >> You can turn off most of the reporting but then you lose the
>> >> capabilities of some of the useful apps.
>> >
>> > Useful only in your opinion. People's needs vary. To violate every
>> > W10 end user's privacy on the off chance that they may use such
>> > "apps" (the correct word being _APPLICATIONS_ on a computer or
>> > maybe utilities, not "apps"*) is just plain wrong. By default,
>> > telemetry should be turned off and then if a person uses any such
>> > "app", the first time they start it is the time to ask if they want
>> > to give up privacy, and only enough to serve the needs of that
>> > "app". To do otherwise (as M$ is indeed doing) gives away
>> > Microsoft's true, duplicitous character.
>> >
>> > *From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/app#Noun , the following:
>> >
>> > app (plural apps)
>> >
>> > 1. (computing, mobile telephony) An application (program),
>> > especially a small one designed for a mobile device.
>> > 2. (informal) appetizer
>> > 3. (military) application (not a computer program)
>> > 4. (sports) an appearance in a game (e.g., a player with 10 apps
>> > in a season played 10 times)
>> >
>> >> I certainly understand the concern but I have yet
>> >> to read a single report from any security firm or on-line blogs
>> >> (Krebs on Security, Paul Thurrott, Windows Secrets, etc..) that
>> >> say privacy or personal data was being compromised.
>> >
>> > Privacy and personal data are compromised the second they're
>> > violated by telemetry. Once such information gathering occurs, you
>> > have no control over how that data is used. You have to take the
>> > word of M$ and that's the issue here.
>> >
>> > Do you, or do you not, believe the word of a corporation which (IMO)
>> > bailed itself out of monopoly charges by (again, IMO) making an
>> > agreement with the United Stated Department of "Justice"?
>> >
>> > https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/
>> >
>> > The original version of that document was 45 pages long.
>> >
>> > No, M$ has no credibility IMO. They're motivated by profit and
>> > backed by the government.
>> >
>> >> Since I couldn't unencrypt the data
>> >> stream going out, I can't say what the data is but if you're using
>> >> Cortana, then yes, what you say is being sent to their servers but
>> >> it is encrypted.
>> >
>> > Then ask yourself: why would it NEED to be encrypted if it doesn't
>> > contain anything which would be of concern?
>> >
>> >> Not being a fan boy for Windows but in my limited experience I
>> >> can't think of how any company that makes an operating system (OS,
>> >> Android, Chrome, Linux or whatever) can not make updates and
>> >> patches without knowing what problems need fixing.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you meant "can (remove the word "not") make updates and
>> > patches without knowing what problems need fixing."
>> >
>> > As for that, there's a little thing called "customer feedback",
>> > which M$ is notorious for ignoring rather than encouraging.
>> >
>> >> If they stopped the phoning home, within 3 months
>> >> everyone would be screaming at them because they didn't get an
>> >> update to a zero-day attack or some bug fix.
>> >
>> > Yes, that's the excuse they use for their telemetry all right.
>> > Funny how earlier version of Windows without telemetry managed to
>> > avoid that kind of thing.
>> >
>> > Besides, this doesn't have anything to do with what they may or may
>> > not be actually using the data for. You would have to be able to
>> > prove that one of the two largest software companies in America
>> > doesn't cooperate with the NSA, CIA, FBI, Department of Fatherland
>> > Security, and the rest of the alphabet soup police state agencies
>> > running amok in the United States. But you can't do that.
>> > Admittedly, I can't prove that they do either, but gambling that
>> > they don't is sheer lunacy.
>> >
>> >> Yes Microsoft keeps the data just as Apple and Google do.
>> >
>> > That, that is exactly what's in question here. *Do* they keep it
>> > _OR_ (far more likely) do they share it with the government?
>> >
>> >> If you can't accept the OS license or their privacy policies then
>> >> use something else.
>> >
>> > *groan* Old snarks like that old one reflect poorly on you. Next
>> > you'll drag out the old "tin hat" one or start calling people Nazis.
>> >
>> > You know perfectly well how limited the options are out there.
>> > That's like saying to a starving person as you hand them a moldy
>> > slice of bread that you just pissed on, "Don't like it? Then go eat
>> > something else!"
>> >
>> >> Oh yeah - anyone use a phone provider that doesn't keep a record
>> >> of your phone calls and just exactly how long do they keep your
>> >> digital phone call metadata?
>> >
>> > Personally, I don't use cell phones. Never have even owned one. And
>> > never will. However, I (along with increasingly more and more
>> > people) am very, very careful what I say on the phone.
>> >
>> >> How about that shopping card you use at the grocery stores - use
>> >> it and they know everything you purchased.
>> >
>> > Only if a person is stupid enough to provide them with their
>> > information when they get the card. Personally, I never use
>> > shopping cards *precisely* because they allow tracking of purchases.
>> >
>> >> How about your credit cards....?
>> >
>> > Don't use them, never have. Never have even had one. Never have
>> > applied for one either. Don't even have a checking account, never
>> > have. Never will.
>> >
>> >> Downsides and benefits to all of those.
>> >
>> > For lazy sheeple.
>> >
>> >> And all those *free* software apps we use. How many of those are
>> >> phoning home after they have scrapped
>> >
>> > "scraped".
>> >
>> >> your system of data used to monetize that free software?
>> >
>> > And how, exactly, would they be monetizing that free software by
>> > gathering and collecting info?
>> >
>> > That's what firewalls are for. And if they operate at a kernal level
>> > (like MS's programming for hard coded ports and IP addresses), then
>> > they get tagged as malware by any number of anti-malware services
>> > and programs.
>> >
>> >> If you have any real evidence, please post back with the proof.
>> >
>> > Evidence? Evidence of what? Oh, that's right:
>> >
>> > "- has anyone any evidence that shows MS is actually compromising
>> > the security of your systems or your privacy that would require
>> > actions to stop the transmission of system status?"
>> >
>> > No, YOU post back with any proof that M$ keeps the data they gather
>> > secure, doesn't share it with Amerika's government.
>> >
>> > Note: like any other large corporation, M$'s word doesn't hold
>> > water.
>> >
>> > One more thing.... There's an old argument concerning the police
>> > state out there which goes:
>> >
>> > "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to
>> > worry about."
>> >
>> > There are numerous claims out on the internet that there's no
>> > effective argument against that statement.
>> >
>> > Well I have one. You may not have anything to hide right now, but
>> > there's no guarantee that in the future you won't. Especially as
>> > freedom grows more and more eroded by excessive lawmaking.
>>
>> Thank you for giving us an insight into your character and
>> philosophy, John.
>>
>> I don't know WHY you worry so much, especially as everything about
>> you is already freely available on-line!
>>
>> https://www.mylife.com/john-corliss/john_corliss
>>
>> You have a great day! :-)
>>
>
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