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Mar 16, 2004, 4:26:08 PM3/16/04

From: Eelco van Aarsen
To: de1...@nwinfo.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:15 AM
Subject: Research on the role of contested knowledge

Dick,

My name is Eelco van Aarsen and I study Sociology at the Erasmus University
in Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

I'm interested in contested knowledge and the role it plays in people's
lives and want to conduct some research on this matter for my Master Thesis.
With contested knowledge I mean an alternative view on certain events than
the "mainstream" view.

I've been reading some of your posts on the Usenet group alt.conspiracy that
I think are very interesting, and would like to conduct an interview with
you (among others) over the internet. These conversations will of course be
confidential; your e-mail address and name will in no way end up in my
report.

I have put together a preliminary questionaire, which could "get the ball
roling". I'm pretty sure the answers on these questions will lead to more
questions of my own, but i think (/hope) these questions will provide a good
starting point.

Would you be so kind as to help me in my research by answering these
questions?

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Reply:

Eelco van Aarsen
Erasmus University
The Netherlands

Dear Eelco,

I think I understand what you want. Knowledge of certain events is
systematically withheld from economic victims and it is prevented from
arising within the victim goup by interventions with specific behavioral
technologies, psychological and political. A few individuals are not
silenced by this process and they persist in attempting to communicate to
others when means are available, the internet provides the cheapest and most
accessible means of doing this.

There is the possiblity that you are researching this topic in order to find
ways to discourage other "contesters" in the future. Still I trust always
speaking the truth with a good will and so will cooperate. My answers to
your research questionaire follow below:

You may use my name, if you feel it will make your monograph more
interesting.

Contesting the "received knowledge of the establishment" is behavior that
is beneficial to society and so finding the variables of which it is a
function would be very helpful to both good guys and bad.

Let me know what you learn.

In freindship,

Richard P. Eastman M.S., M.A.
Yakima, Washington

-Why do you post and read messages about contested knowledge on usenet
groups (like alt.conspiracy)?

ans.: To inform victims of economic and political crimes of the crimes
they are unaware of, in the hope that they will share the information with
others and that the clear information will make more probable a clear
political response by victims hitherto unorganized, uninformed, confused and
discouraged.

-Which theories in contested knowledge are you interested in, like for
example 9/11, the war on Iraq, the JFK assassination, etcetera? And what do
you think about those theories: do you believe them, do you disbelieve them,
do you take an intermediate position on the matter? And how strongly do you
feel about that position?

ans.: I am contesting the official (government and monopoly media)
verson of 9-11 because examine of the evidence of the Pentagon crash
conclusively establishes that the attack did not happen this way. The
evidence and witness testimony indicates that the Boeing flew over the
explosion and crash at the Pentagon involving an air-to-ground missile and a
jet fighter.

I contest the claims made for the performance of an American economy
dominated by international corporations -- Anglo-American banking interests,
I have discovered, are the most brutal organized crime, as ruthless at home
(in the US) as they have been abroad. They control politicians and through
that control manipulate the economic system, rigging the game in their
favor, draining the economic life blood of the people, in ways that are not
easy to explain in one short letter. This is one area of contesting
knowledge where it is very difficult to communicate the reality (because it
is complicated for masses kept ignorant of the economic system.)

I also contest the false-reality by exposing the existence of weather
modification technology that redirects weather -- moving parcels of hot,
cold, wet or dry air to places where it would not otherwise travel by
changing air pressure (increasing air pressure higher than they would have
been otherwise) by cooling land and sea surfaces by means of artifically
generated cloud cover, layed by specially equipped aircraft and known to the
general public only as "chemtrail" planes.

In thinking further about this question I think I should add this: I have
uncovered for myself, verifying what others have been saying, the sad fact
that wealthy criminals are controlling our government behind the scenes,
that their vast wealth so far has enabled them to do exactly as they like in
any country of the world. Therefore my "contesting" mission is to "contest"
this power, to second-guess them, to expose them, wherever I find them
operating. I "contest" political corruption and criminal economics.

-When did contested knowledge start to play a role in your life? And, why
then? Do you feel it has changed your life? And, how?

ans.: In the early 1990's a program called outcomes based education was
imposed on he schools by a major effort involving the major corporations and
the NEA union. I researched this "reform" and found that the big
foundations had adopted the educational system of the Soviet Union, used to
condition conformity and destroy individual intitiative etc. Tracking down
the origins of this led to my first picture of the power really behind the
government that I once believed was free.

My wife will tell you that the biggest cost is loss of income due to time
spent in this -- to me, not to her -- higher cause.

-In which (daily) situations does your interest in contested knowledge play
a role? For example: watching certain TV shows, reading certain books,
visiting certain websites, posting messages on the Internet, water cooler
conversations, etcetera.

ans.: Contesting the false knowledge of criminal elites who have
captured the organs controlling public opinion is a thinking process -- like
working on a puzzle or a tricky math equation. My life as a husband and
father is not affected except insofar as time at the computer is time robbed
from the family life I want to pursue, and that the analysing the facts
accumulated from newspapers, books and internet sites (like rense.com) or
clipping services I subscribe to (STI yahoogroups.uk is very good) to see
what deductions, if any, can be drawn from disparate facts in
onjunction -- makes me an "absent-minded" professor type -- although I have
not missed any of my seven-year-old daughters basketball games.

-Does your interest in contested knowledge play a role in certain aspects of
your life, like for example voting (or refraining from voting), buying (or
refraining from buying) products from certain manufacturers, membership (or
refraining from membership) of certain organisations, etcetera?

ans.: Contesting the false reality imposed on the victims of the
wealthy global elite has been a political decision -- a decision others do
not make because they are convinced that hunting down the truth and getting
it out to the victims in the hope that the political balances will be tipped
is dangerous and doomed to fail. I have looked at those questions to and I
disagree. Certainly knowing that organized crime that hides itself exists
affects my voting behavior (which is very minor by iteself). I do not
believe in boycotts, because not enough people know the truth for that
strategy to be worthwhile -- and besides, if you don't buy from the
corporations you will have to do without.

I am not a member of any organization. I believe there are "front
"organizations and I believe there are good organizations that are
infiltrated buy agents of the criminal elites. I hope to affect all good
organizations by making information available to them so they can respond to
problems intelligently, attacking them at the source.

-Posters on alt.conspiracy (and similar newsgroups) are sometimes being
ridiculed for posting their alternative views on events that differ from
the "mainstream" version. How do you feel about that?

ans.: There are hired hecklers, I call them "tomato throwers," whose
function is to prevent the contesting of systemtatic deception by the ruling
elites from succeeding. The same men are constantly at work with an entire
thick book of insults and "put downs" -- yet never do these engage the
facts, never to they anser the evidence or the logic of the deductions from
the evidence. I was the first to openly use his name and address on the
polical newsgroups. Since them more and more people have begun to stand up
to these operatives -- several of whom have admitted to me that they are
assigned newsgroup discussants to watch. Sociologically speaking -- no
intellectual leadership can take place when the only response is derision,
when those who agree are afraid to speak up.

-In some cases, views that were once were considered contested knowledge
have now became the "mainstream" versions of events, like Watergate,
Iran-Contra, etcetera. How important is it for you that the (currently)
alternative view may eventually be the "mainstream" version of events? How
would you feel if the alternative view would eventually be proven incorrect?

ans.: First, I disagree about Watergate -- most people do not really
understand that Watergate was a plan to make Nelson Rockefeller president
and to depose a President that was challenging David Rockefeller for
leadership of the Council on Foreign Relations. Second, in an environment
of free speech, free press, free discussion, free airwaves -- there would
be no "mainstream" -- their would be many individual voices, speaking their
own minds and hearts. Terms like "Mainstream" and "Moderate" which
automatically introduce their opposites ("Fringe" and "Extreme") -- are
propaganda spin terms. (The fact that you ask the question shows that you
youself are not free of the "spin," Eelco.)

In short, I do not want to attain the "mainstream" -- I want to shatter it
as a mirror that lies, shatter it with the truth, shatter it with the proof
of the crimninality of the opinion controllers. The two recent US wars
(Afganistan and Iraq) were each based on lies and were conducted for wealth
and power; but worst of all, 9-11 was a mass-murder inside-job false-flag
frameup that murdered over 2000 people in order to create the "mainstream"
mass-opinion that we must send our sons to fight, kill and die in foregin
lands for our "national security".

-What, in your opinion, is the biggest problem with your city/country/the
world?

ans.: Great fortunes in the hands of a few people, made so powerful by
their wealth that they view themselves above law, above common morality --
and who view the common people of the earth as beasts of burden and toys for
their power and wealth-getting games.

Finally some general questions.

-Where do you currently live (country, city)?

223 S. 64th Ave,
Yakima, Washington 98908
Eastern Washington State -- desert area, irrigated by the Yakima and Naches
rivers, where apples are grown -- no in a very bitter economic depression.
Eastern Washington, by itself without the West coast (Seattle, Redmond,
Kirkland etc.) on the other side of the Cascade Range, would be ranked as
one of the poorest states in the union, as poor as the poorest southern
states.

-What is your age?

55 -- February 10, 1949

-What is your current occupation?

I am a clerk at Blockbuster Video -- I clean shelves and I greet people
coming in to rent movies and I help them find movies.

- What is your highest completed level of education (if you are still
studying, that study will count as the highest completed study)?

Oakland High School 67

Lake Forest College, '72 B.A. Economics

Western Michigan University, '79 M.A Experimental Psychology

Texas A. & M. University, M.S. Economics, '81 (and two years towards
the doctoral degree in Economics)

-What is your marital status? Do you have kids currently living with you?

Married, 1978, one good wife. Three daughters, ages 21, 18, 7. The two
youngest are still at home.

-In the past 10 years, how many times have you voted (if eligible) in
political elections (and in which)?

UI voted in each presidential election -- always for Pat Buchanan.

-What political party/candidate do you regularly vote for?

I was raised a Republican. I was the co-chairman for young voters for the
president for Oakland-Berkely-San Jose area (San Francisco area , East Bay)
for Nixon in 1972. Was for Ronald Reagan -- whom I believe was shot in a
plan to make George H.W. Bush president, and who as later poisoned to make
him controllable -- as was President WIlson during World War One and
Franklin Roosevelt during World War Two. Always Republican, until 1988.

Since 9-11 I have favored a new coalition of Greens (not Nader) ,
Libertarians and Paleo-conservatives (Buchanan etc.) -- because I know that
the leadership of both of the major parties of our two-party system have
been effectively captured by the criminal elites -- as in most elections
that do not result in presidents shot or incapacitated.

Sincerely yours,

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
Every man is responsible to every other man.
http://www.geocities.com/oldickeastman/Dick_Eastman_page.html

----- Original Message -----
From: Eelco van Aarsen
To: de1...@nwinfo.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:15 AM
Subject: Research on the role of contested knowledge

Dick,

My name is Eelco van Aarsen and I study Sociology at the Erasmus University
in Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

Would you be so kind as to help me in my research by answering these
questions?

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First, some questions regarding your views on contested knowledge (an
alternative view on certain events than the mainstream view.)

-Why do you post and read messages about contested knowledge on usenet
groups (like alt.conspiracy)?

-When did contested knowledge start to play a role in your life? And, why
then? Do you feel it has changed your life? And, how?

-Posters on alt.conspiracy (and similar newsgroups) are sometimes being
ridiculed for posting their alternative views on events that differ from
the "mainstream" version. How do you feel about that?

-What, in your opinion, is the biggest problem with your city/country/the
world?

Finally some general questions.

-Where do you currently live (country, city)?

-What is your age?

-What is your current occupation?

- What is your highest completed level of education (if you are still
studying, that study will count as the highest completed study)?

-What is your marital status? Do you have kids currently living with you?

-In the past 10 years, how many times have you voted (if eligible) in
political elections (and in which)?

-What political party/candidate do you regularly vote for?

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If you'd like, I could send you a summary of my findings, when my research
is completed.

Thanks in advance,

Eelco van Aarsen
Departement of Sociology
Rotterdam, The Netherlands

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