What is Scientology?
Bible John
past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my most
trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to learn
more about this.
As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
(http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but its
definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
John
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<johnw...@yahoo.comPDA> wrote:
>Cruise has been making a big deal of Scientology in the media within the
>past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my most
>trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
>
>As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
>Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to learn
>more about this.
>
>As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
>(http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but its
>definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
>
>
>
>John
Scientology is a religion or practice developed by Science
Fiction author Ron L. Hubbard originally as a type of light-hearted
social experiment. Anyone remember the old 'Dianetics" commercials?
His social experiment produced, it would seem.
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> Cruise has been making a big deal of Scientology in the media within the
> past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my most
> trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
I suggest you start here :
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets
Then move on to these other sites, which tell you more :
There are many more, but these offer a good starting point.
> As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
> Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to learn
> more about this.
If they are not "spiritual terrorists", you might like to ask yourself
why people die in the hands of $cientology.
The $cientology kook cult needs hate sites full of lies and half truths
about its critics, to create a false perception of its opponents as
evil. You may note the cult Fair Game policy which is still in
practice, although the cult officially denies it and says the practice
is outlawed. As you will find out for yourself, the cult lies a lot.
See also
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/newtimes-toryH-92701.html
You may note this article is in total contrast about this person to the
same article about her on the $cientology hate site, Religious Freedom
Watch.
At the site below, you may note the webmaster of this sleazy site
admits he is under no obligation to tell the truth or to fix the lies
on the hate site. It is on video.
http://www.xenutv.com/andreas/index.html
What $cientology does seems to me to be spiritual terrorism but YMMV.
You may note the sites above may not use the most genteel of language,
however these sites above are sincere and accurate. They talk about
something very dirty when they talk about $cientology and a lot of
people are angry about how the cult has harmed them, divided their
families, and ruined their lives.
> As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
> (http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but its
> definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
You will not find out much about $cientology's theology from the
"official" sites. What $cientology does to its followers is the same
as keeping the pages of the bible secret from Christians.
wbarwell
> Cruise has been making a big deal of Scientology in the media within the
> past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my
> most trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
>
> As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
> Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to
> learn more about this.
>
> As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
> (http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but
> its definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
Scientology is a cult. It is based on pseudoscience.
The basic claim is that we are all immortal beings, thetans.
the Universe around us of matter space and time is an illusion,
MEst, that started out as a thetan game that the thetans
got lost in.
Thetans reincarnate into new MEST bodies over long periods of time.
75 million years ago, our thetans were implanted with many false
memories by an evil overlord named Xenu. We are also plagued with
degenerate soul parasites, body thetans thanks to Xenu.
scientology, for a price, claims to be able to teach
one to exorcise their body thetans and engrams (bad memories)
past memory implants by other ancient evil beings.
Once those ancient imlants (GPMs) and out body thetans
are dealtwith, on becomes an operating thetan with all
sorts of super-human powers.
Elron Hubbard is dead, but scientology believe he will get
a new body some day, return to us and continue the work of
freeing man from MEST bodies all together.
Highly trained Scentologists free from many implants and BTs
will return to new bodies after their death but this time
will join scientology to continue on the path to
becoming a free living thetan with no need for a MEST body.
This is basically Scientology in a nut shell.
The highest level Scientology has now is OT VIII.
And no, none of the promised OT powers Hubbard promised
work as promised.
Most of these claims are hidden from scientologists
at the beginning until brainwashed into believing
this silly jive.
For more on Scientology, there are a few good basic books.
Bare Faced Messiah by Russell Miller, A Piece of Blue
Sky by John Atack, al can be downloaded from critics'
site free. There are many other books but these are
the basic books that explain the history of Hubbard
and scientology.
There are a few critic's sites that explain the OT nonsense.
Karen Spaink and Dave Tourenzky are two good examples.
*************************************************
* KAREN SPAINK'S WEBSITE *
*************************************************
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=7708956&pageid=r&mode=all&query=Scientology
Large amounts of material on Scientology including
mirrors of sites long dead. Chris Owen's excellent
articles, the Ron-the-war-hero html report, and
other materials Scientology would as well wish
you didn't know about.
Karen Spaink recently won her suit against
Scientology and the Fishman declaration and
OT III secrets et al are still up, now totally
legally free.
legal documents, books, reports, site mirrors,
and much, much more.
*************************************************
* Dr. Dave Touretzky's website *
*************************************************
The Secrets of Scientology
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/index.html
The OT III page. Xenu, BTS volcanos and more.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTIII/
The NOTS scholars page. NOTS and other goofy
Scientology secrets. Weird cult nonsense.
BTS, BT exorcism, quack claims and more.
Letters to Dr. Dave from cult lawyers.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/
Narconon exposed and debunked. News about
Narconon, its claims and its quakery.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/
Books about Scientology, downloadable for free.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/index.html
Plus, much, much, more!
************** BOOKS FOR YOU! *****************
Want to know about Scientology? Want to read the
basic history of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology?
Many books are on the web for free. Download them
and get answers to all your questions about
Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard and more.
For those new to the subject of Scientology,
read "Bare Faced Messiah" by Russell Miller,
or "A Piece of Blue Sky by Jon Atack". The best
basic histories of Hubbard and Scientology.
Get them here!
************************************************
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/books.htm
************************************************
Atack, Jon -- A Piece of blue Sky
A very good basic history - Essential
Atack, Jon -- The Total Freedom Trap
Cooper, Paulette -- The Scandal Of Scientology
The first fledged critical book on Scientology
Paulette Cooper was severly harassed by
Scientology for this book. Find out why.
Corydon, Bent -- L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman?
Good! With Ron DeWolf, Hubbard's son.
Ebner, Mark -- Do You Want To Buy a Bridge?
Fishman, Steven -- Lonesome Squirrel
Forte, John -- The Commodore & The Colonels
Grossman, Wendy -- net.wars
Kaufman, Robert -- Inside Scientology /Dianetics
Good!
Komrij, Gerrit -- De stankbel aan de nieuwezijdse
Miller, Russell -- "Bare-Faced Messiah: The True
Story of L. Ron Hubbard"
A very good basic history - Essential
Penny, Bob -- Social Control in Scientology
Pignotti, Monica -- My Nine Lives in Scientology
Roos, Otto -- The Otto Roos Story
Rolph, C H -- Believe What You Like
Vosper, Cyril -- The Mind Benders
Good!
Wakefield, Margery -- Testimony: The Autobiography
of Margery Wakefield
Wakefield, Margery -- The Road to Xenu
Wakefield, Margery -- Understanding Scientology
Wallis, Roy -- The Road to Total Freedom
Documents Of A Lifetime -- The Uncensored L. Ron
Hubbard papers
************** BOOKS FOR YOU! ****************
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<johnw...@yahoo.comPDA> wrote:
>Cruise has been making a big deal of Scientology in the media within the
>past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my most
>trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
>
>As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
>Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to learn
>more about this.
>
>As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
>(http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but its
>definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
>
>
>
>John
Scientology, better known and SLYentology is nothing but a false
religious cult.
Founded by a wannabee science fiction 'writer', L. Ron Hubbard, it was
originally known as 'Dianetics'.
The cult uses tactics such as 'confessionals' whereby the 'auditor'
uses a ridiculous little item they call an 'e-meter' to determine
whether or not the applicant is lying.
Each one who wants to join their cults undergoes such grilling, which
is saved to use against them later on, should they smarten up and
decide to leave it.
Old man hubbard died in 1986 screaming like the madman he truly was,
insisting 'he was being eaten alive by body thetans'......... the
idiot also claimed 'he would be resurrected in 20 years, then return
to rule the world' ! LOL! So, slyentologists who still believe in the
old fart are fully expecting it to return this year!
Old hubbard made up his own ridiculous 'vocabulary' which members used
in their futile attempts to confuse onlookers and non-members.
ALL non-members are considered 'subversives' to the cult.
The cult has tried to silence its critics with lawsuits.
I have a considerable amount of information on the cult, some of it
obtained first-hand by snail-mailing the idiots for their 'information
kit', letting on I was interested in joining!! A lot of other info I
received from an ex-member.
Shin...@myway.com
wbarwell wrote:
> Bible John wrote:
>
> > Cruise
Barwell is a lying and spamming cultist.
Maggot William Charles Barwell also sometimes goes by the name
Bardwell. William registered with internet "phone books" that he was
born in 1950. He acts pretty childish for a 50 something year old man.
Oh, did we discover some criminal past of William Charles Barwell in
these records?
http://www.zabasearch.com/query1_zaba.php?sname=William+Charles+Barwell&state=&name_style=1
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From: Faxhor
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:38:36 -0700
Subject: William Barwell
To:
re: FAXHOR: "He's the bad guy who shoots of his mouth and does
a lot of name calling, gets the crowd worked up and
then gets battered to a pulp by the good guy."
- William Charles Barwell (wbar...@mylinuxisp.com)
Talk is cheap. Faxhor has not been cane'd by old Black Dianetics
Rookie William Charles Barwell.
Have we ever seen the Bigmouth Barwell lip off? I'll give one
example of many that I have on this hippocritical and salty old
man (He is 53 and going to turn 54 in about a month):
"Lets see how hard I can kick
your sorry right winged ass."
- William Charles Barwell
I'm sure many of you out there can remember hundreds of other times
the clam has yapped.
Old 'Pope' Barwell, who doubts the existence of a god, thinks he
is a saintly 'good guy'?
"...because I'm honest enough to
stand behind what I post."
- William Charles Barwell
Just because someone stands behind their postings doesn't mean
they're honest. If wrong, then it just shows how stubborn the
maggot is. How honest was it to stand behind this posting:
"One more time, Arnis is not an anti-Semite,
nor a member of the liberty Lobby, ect."
- William Charles Barwell
Mr. Barwell lied and stated, apparently more than once, that
Arnie was not involved with the Liberty Lobby. On a radio
show, Arnie was interviewed about his membership in the L.L.
The Liberty Lobby, a nazi front organization, was founded by
Willis Carto.
"I suggest that we don't promote my
relationship with Willis Carto ... "
- Arnie Lerma
"We have the full support of Willis Carto..."
- A. Lerma
"Carto, founder of the Liberty Lobby, was
by far the most successful and influential
American anti-Semite of the 1970s."
- McVay, Kenneth N.
Is William stubborn or what?. "You can't teach an old dog new
tricks" should be Un-Cheerful Charlies motto.
If Ungodly William Charles Barwell is such a 'good guy',
then why does he defend an anti-Semite. Is old Barwell
also involved?
Anway, I'll blow this Subgenius away in a game of chess any day.
Faxhor
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References:
"Lets see how hard I can kick your sorry right winged ass."
- William Charles Barwell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=40cf752d%240%2417092%24811e409b%40news.mylinuxisp.com&output=gplain
"One more time, Arnis is not an anti-Semite, nor a member of the
liberty
Lobby, ect."
- William Charles Barwell
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=97B7E94CFC63C31F.C217416CBAC4F841.13D9CF26E1B203C8%40lp.airnews.net&output=gplain
"A. Lerma is on the board of policy of Liberty Lobby.
Liberty Lobby is the number one anti-Semite group
in the United States according to the ADL."
- Faxhor
WMNF "Talk of the Bay" Transcript 12/4/97
http://members.cox.net/batchild1/transcript/part1.htm
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Copyright (c) 2004 Faxhor. Permission to use only to those who are
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http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/hauser1.html
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/Christman/index.html
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund/Lund01.html
http://www.religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/gonnet1.html
rogue
Bible John wrote:
> Cruise has been making a big deal of Scientology in the media within the
> past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my most
> trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
>
> As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
> Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to learn
> more about this.
>
> As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
> (http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but its
> definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
JERRY
LOL. For the love of Mike, I've already demonstrated for you why the
Carm site is garbage. Here, get a real education:
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/
As for you being the "founder and director," it sounds like you are
making yourself out to be a quack like Gastrich. No integrity at all
still yet, I see.
And, as several people here have already showed you, the only
"spiritual terrorist" here is you.
Bible Bob
<johnw...@yahoo.comPDA> wrote:
>Cruise has been making a big deal of Scientology in the media within the
>past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my most
>trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
>
>As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
>Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to learn
>more about this.
>
>As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
>(http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but its
>definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
>
>
>
>John
John,
You might be better off finding out what you believe than worrying
about what others believe.
That said, L Ron Hubbard who founded Scientology was an excellent
science fiction writer. If you really want to know about where he
came up with Dianetics and Scientology read his five volume Mission
Earth series decology. It is hilarious. You may have seen the movie
with John Travolta which was based on another of his books. But the
decology which is a long read is well worth the time. Most libraries
have the entire set.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
nos...@nospam.com
wrote:
>
>That said, L Ron Hubbard who founded Scientology was an excellent
>science fiction writer.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh- someone, please pass the barf bag.
Android Cat
> That said, L Ron Hubbard who founded Scientology was an excellent
> science fiction writer.
Um, no.
Even his better works, pre-Scientology, are only B List, and that's being
charitable.
He wrote a lot in the 30s and 40s, but no one was interested in reprinting
his stuff until he wanted to re-establish his "big name writer" credentials
in the 70s. (And I'm not sure what kind of deal he cut with DAW to get
those reprints.) The good stuff from that era won awards, and was
frequently reprinted in collections or reprinted and was remembered. His
wasn't.
The true popularity of his later Battlefield Earth and Mission Earth books
is hard to judge with Scientology fudging the sales figures. (They had
orders to make them bestsellers by any means, including faking sales.) In
terms of writing quality, in my opinion (short version), they're lame and
they stink.
--
Ron of that ilk.
Chris
Some things in the scientology cult are nonesense like xenu and these are
just science fiction. However Hubbard is a contactee who was befuddled by
psychiatrists into becoming a sci-fi writer which he was succesful as his
stories are muddled versions of what the visitor from outside planet earth
told him.
This mudling of contactees is well known and is how the church defends
itself another example is the Realian religion and other stories by
contactees.
The church of christ also use muddling and mind control to confuse witnesses
of their atrocities as in Serbia and in Hitler's Germany where the holocaust
was master minded by the church of christ.
Other critics of the christians are muddled and brain damaged by christians
in order to remove them.
Hubbards dianitics can unmuddle you and clear your mind, and also remove
unwanted harmful reflex actions such as put there by hypnotists or
disasterous lifes's experiences. That is why he is hated by christians,
their religion is based on unsound reflexes put in by priests that short
circuit the analytical engine of the mind.
Because of its contentions nature the original documents are secret and
every attempts was made by the christian church to destroy all his original
knowlege and basicaly the christians succeeded.
Wheh he died in England all of his works on his estate at saint hill were
totally destroyed by christian assaults on his home.
However he had faxed all of it to America during his life.
The thetan is another name for spirit that generates your body and is also
your concious mind but it requires the brain to be functional. The whole
brain. Toxins of any sort impare your mind and your body and brain
destruction causes terrible deficiency and the thetan tries to put it right
and as we know people recover from injury and sometimes all that is left is
a scar.
An operating thetan can travel and be somewhere else like the Ka or "spirit"
in other cultures.
Psychiatrists use mental confusion to cloud their victims mind extract false
confessions and then drug the person with a mind destroying toxin and
finally destroy the mind altogether by cutting off the frontal lobe at the
level of rolands convolution "a natual division of the brain".
Theirnsane idea of civilisation is a nation of mindless zombies
automatically obeying orders carrying out their tasks for the chocolates and
shiny things these zombies oppreciate. A nation of obedient slaves, that is
the object of the psychiatrists and they intend to carry out this simple
procedure on all women and all men in not executive positions.
And this insane legislation is slowly passing through parliament under the
guise of "mental health" it is a hidden atrocity carried out on British
cintizens now at present. The mental health act will give them powers of
arbitary arrest and compulsary brain destruction on anyone at all. They
have also set up huge numbers street survelance cameras and on roads to
track everyone and ID cards that identify everyone on a huge database so
that dissidents can be quickly caught and their brains destroyed. It is the
Christian Church who have set this up to remove any opposition, I am now so
sad about this island that I no longer wish to be British. The Britsh
anglican church claim not only Britain, the planet Earth, the Solar system
but the whole Universe as theirs. (God gave it to them).
I regard this as insanity of the Establishment but unfortunatly the British
are a great power and they could totally succeed in the endeavour.
The establishment are a dawinian capitalist culture and in history this
culture has caused the deaths on millions of people as in the potato blight
of Ireland entirely caused by the capitalist system ruthlessly applied and
the famine in India the mutiny there all caused by the ruthless application
of capitalism and darwinianism.
The establishment of the Britsh empire spurred by these ideals of dawin and
capitalism and the insane idea of the British master race was carved out by
British soldiers essentally invading other regimes and stealing land,
resources and people. They talk of British democracy (its not) freedom
(there is none) and justice (its the way the system works).
In this the British are no different from any other empire throughout
history. (Why have empires at all?).
I don't know any alternative, I'm not clever enough and british laws are
better than Hitlers germany however those that are selected for destruction
are very quiely removed by brain destruction and sterilisation.
A society must exist by consent and my mutual co-operation, by agreed
exchange of goods and services and by tolerating all the ideas of those
around you.
I understand the reason for religion it is to enable us to lead our lives
free on the knowlege of our own certain deaths and we have all got one, even
if it is ours alone.
--
Chris
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nos...@nospam.com
>
>So you continue to insist that everyone on the planet must agree with
>you on all issues.
Was I speaking to you, weatherless?
Now be quiet and take your meds.
nos...@nospam.com
>
>Elaine, you have a true gift for stating the obvious.
Again, weatherless, I was not posting to you.
SILENCE.
nos...@nospam.com
<nimbo@(no-spam)ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Some things in the scientology cult are nonesense like xenu and these are
>just science fiction. However Hubbard is a contactee
The only thing that one 'contacted' was an insanity virus!
>what the visitor from outside planet earth told him.
>
IOW, you are a follower of old hubb...
snip of nonsense...
>Hubbards dianitics can unmuddle you and clear your mind, and also remove
>unwanted harmful reflex actions such as put there by hypnotists or
>disasterous lifes's experiences.
^^^^^^^^^^^^spoken by a well brainwashed follower of liar-hubbard's !
The man was a proven nutcase, who, when he died in 1986, screamed 'he
was being eaten alive by body thetans'.......
The moron also swore he was going to 'return through resurrection in
twenty years, and rule the world'. I suppose you're gullible enough to
believe that lie too, are you Chris?
As for that 'Dianetics' crap, methinks you remained on that ridiculous
'purification rundown' regime too long, and it's sapped your brain.
All that fool thing really does is weaken the newbie to his cult, to
such an extent that your 'auditors' can easily manipulate their minds.
The 'e-meters' are about as good as a child's play-phone when you tie
two soup cans together with string.....
>That is why he is hated by christians,
He is despised by Christians as a false prophet, and a fraud. Remember
that famous jail term? Remember his wife?
Remember the girl who was allowed to starve to death in the basement
of the hotel??
He tried in vain to put himself above GOD, and he found out that
didn't work.
Go ahead- watch this year, and then on December 31st, 2006, come back
in here and ADMIT that your old boy never returned to 'rule the world'
like he claimed he would!
>their religion is based on unsound reflexes put in by priests that short
>circuit the analytical engine of the mind.
>
Are you 'OT8' yet Chrissie?
How many thousands of dollars has the cult bilked you out of so far?
Did you ever sign up for his ridiculous 'sea org'?
What a farce!
>Because of its contentions nature the original documents are secret and
>every attempts was made by the christian church to destroy all his original
>knowlege and basicaly the christians succeeded.
>
Naturally.
>Wheh he died in England all of his works on his estate at saint hill were
>totally destroyed by christian assaults on his home.
>
So they should have been- they were garbage from the start.
>However he had faxed all of it to America during his life.
>
Sure, sure - or did one of those little 'messengers' in the pseudo-sea
uniform send it for the old boy?
>The thetan is another name for spirit - idiocy removed!
What dope are you on, Chris?
>An operating thetan can travel and be somewhere else like the Ka or "spirit"
>in other cultures.
>
Oh, goody-----
remainder of insanity removed to prevent further gales of hilarious
laughter while I'm eating.......
In closing, Chrissie -- why don't you waddle on back to the
SLYentology 'froup and see if you can 'enturbulate' someone there? !!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris
Goodbye
--
Chris
nos...@nospam.com
<nimbo@(no-spam)ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>Hello no spam.
>
>Goodbye
Don't let the door smack you on the butt as you leave, idiot.
Hengroen
<jo...@yow.how> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> So you continue to insist that everyone on the planet must agree with
> you on all issues.
>
> "What a small world this world would be if everyone on it were just
> like Elaine."
>
>
> john w
No she is right
Scientology financed putting copies of Hubbards books in libraries
worldwide - because they were such rubbish libraries refused to waste
their own money on them..
His books are a catch for the cult
Hengroen
genuine insight he needs to contact a cult exit deprogrammer to undo the
effects of hypnotic conditioning
It is likely that nay attempt to do this on his part will be accompanied
with headaches caused by post hypnotic suggestions. He needs to simply
ignore these and continue his own deprogramming with assistance.
Scientology is psychically dangerous. and should be outlawed
Hengroen
wrote:
> >Wheh he died in England all of his works on his estate at saint hill were
> >totally destroyed by christian assaults on his home.
> >
> So they should have been- they were garbage from the start.
>
> >However he had faxed all of it to America during his life.
They were already in the possession of CIA who used them for their own
purposes - This is why Scientology received protection outside America
albeit for a time the FDA kicked them out. It is all in the files
Hengroen
and it is all quite amusing at times. You need to read items such as the
interview with Hubbards son too
Hubbard in his travels visited Aleister Crowley - the Satanist - before
the war in Italy. Crowley ran a sort of Satanic commune. He actually
described Hubbard as a "f---ing idiot"
Crowley went on to be the only person thrown out of Mussolinis Sicily for
lowering the tone of the place.
Crowley was a former member of the "Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn" a
group of high degree Freemasons who centred their belief system on the
Tarot Pack. All of modern anglosaxon Tarot cultism and celtic Tarot
Cultism stems from the "Golden Dawn". The Waite pack is quite commonly
used as is the original Golden Dawn pack and Crowleys own Pack - don't
mess with them. They also endorsed the Marseilles Pack
Contrary to popular belief the Golden Dawn was NOT a "white magic" group -
a former member records its "attempts to invoke devils". Behind the Tarot
Pack in its modern incarnation is BLACK magic - not white. Both - of
course are nonsense but even as nonsensensical as they are - they can get
a hold on people. Hubbard was especially interested in this aspect.
The connections become more interesting. The rituals of the Golden Dawn
were actually written by William Butler Yeats, the Irish poet, working
with Israel Regardie. They are nonsense too and have been published since
So Scientology has connections in its evolution and foundation with both
Satanism and black magic. Its hypnotic practices are an overlay on these.
Hascien (Hubbard Scientology) in London used to create three files on
every member - they once referred to these as "dirty washing" and when
threatened with dissolution as a cult they said they had a lot of it
leading into high Government areas throughout Europe.
One file was kept at Hascien - one at Saint Hill Manor - the third is
believed to be the one the Intelligence services tapped in to - and is in
the USA.
I would advise anyone going near Hascien to speak to a psychiatrist
specialising in Hypnosis about having a hypnotic block put in and to have
that reinforced with a clear understanding of how suggestion and hypnosis
work.
Personally I have no further interest in the whole idiocy. I lost
interest sometime around 1971
+++++++++
Hengroen
Special Branch in England had the whole thing investigated in about 1970.
It continues as a tolerated but mad cult. Whatever intelligence
connection remains is likely to have been long ago scaled down.
But do treat Scientologist friends as potential spies on your private life
Muldoon
Hengroen wrote:
-snip-
>
> Hubbard in his travels visited Aleister Crowley - the Satanist - before
> the war in Italy. Crowley ran a sort of Satanic commune. He actually
> described Hubbard as a "f---ing idiot"
-snip-
Please cite date and geographical location for this meeting.
Thanks.
nos...@nospam.com
I would not line the bottom of a bird cage with hubbard's trash!
nos...@nospam.com
I agree.
I'll bet Lisa McPherson would too, if she had lived to make good her
escape from the thing.
Hengroen
"Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
I'm sorry you'll have to go back over the material - I think it was cited
in an interview in Penthouse. Fishman may be able to give you the
reference. If I spot it again I'll post it
I was quite suprised when I found the reference because so much falls into
place.
Hengroen
Here is one article but it does not have the actual date and the meeting
you are looking for
The Satanic Roots of Scientology®
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose
them. --- Ephesians 5:11
It is a well documented fact that the religion of Hubbard was Satanism.
Hubbard's mentor was, in fact, the infamous English black magician
Aleister Crowley. Hubbard reportedly discovered Crowley's works as a
teenager on a trip to the Library of Congress with his mother.
Thereafter, he was fascinated by Crowley's "Magick," and Crowley became
Hubbard's mentor, a relationship that would last until Crowley's death in
1947. In one of his later lectures, Hubbard would refer to Crowley as "my
good friend." [Miller, p. 135]
Crowley's most famous work was called The Book of the Law in which he
expressed his philosophy of life: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of
the Law." It is a philosophy Hubbard was to live by throughout his life.
Crowley wrote, in The Book of the Law:
We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit; let them die in their
misery. Compassion is the vice of Kings; stamp down the wretched and the
weak; this is the law of the strong; this is our law and the joy of the
world.
I am of the snake that giveth Knowledge and Delight, and stir the hearts
of men with drunkenness. To worship me take wine and strange drugs....
They shall not harm ye at all. It is a lie, this folly against self.... Be
strong, Oh man! Lust, enjoy all things of sense and rapture ... the kings
of the earth shall be kings forever; the slaves shall serve.
Them that seek to entrap thee, to overthrow thee, them attack without pity
or quarter, and destroy them utterly.
I am unique and conqueror. I am not of the slaves that perish. Be they
damned and dead! Amen. [Corydon, p. 49]
Many of Crowley's beliefs have been incorporated into Scientology®,
especially in the secret upper levels of Scientology®, called the "OT
levels."
Following in Crowley's footsteps, Hubbard adopted some of the practices of
the black magician, including the use of drugs and the use of
affirmations.
According to Hubbard's son, his father regularly used illegal drugs
including amphetamines, barbiturates and hallucinogens including cocaine,
peyote and mescaline. [Corydon, p. 53]
Among the many affirmations that Hubbard was known to have used was the
following:
All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All
mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why! [Corydon, p. 53]
After being discharged from the Navy in December of 1945, Hubbard did not
head for home, where his wife and two small children were living in
Bremerton, Washington. He instead headed directly for a house in Pasadena,
California, where an eclectic assortment of people lived including one
Jack Parsons, the leader of a satanic organization called the Ordo Templis
Orientis. That was the U.S. name for the organization headed in England by
Crowley.
Parsons wrote to Crowley about Hubbard:
About three months ago I met Ron ... a writer and explorer of whom I had
known for some time. He is a gentleman; he has red hair, green eyes, is
honest and intelligent, and we have become great friends.
Although Ron has no formal training in magick, he has an extraordinary
amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his
experiences I deduce that he is in direct touch with some higher
intelligence, possibly his guardian angel.
Ron appears to have some sort of highly developed astral vision. He
described his angel as a beautiful winged woman with red hair, whom he
calls the Empress, and who has guided him through his life, and saved him
many times.
We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a limited
company to control our business ventures.
I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind.... [Corydon, p. 255]
Hubbard and Parsons struck up an occult partnership, the result of which
was a series of rituals they carried out with the objective of producing a
"moonchild," an incarnation of "Babylon" in an unborn child. A woman in
the house was chosen to be the mother of this satanic child.
In order to obtain a woman prepared to bear this magical child, Parsons
and Hubbard engaged in eleven days of rituals.
All this seemed to achieve its desired result and, on January 18th,
Parsons found the girl who was prepared to become the mother of Babalon,
and to go through the required incantation rituals. During these rituals,
which took place on the first three days of March 1946, Parsons was High
Priest and had sexual intercourse with the girl, while Hubbard who was
present acted as skryer, seer, or clairvoyant and described what was
supposed to be happening on the astral plane. [Corydon, p. 256]
Parsons wrote to Crowley:
I am under command of extreme secrecy. I have had the most devastating
experience of my life between February second and March fourth. I believe
it was the result of the ninth degree working with the girl.... I have
been in direct touch with the One who is most Holy and Beautiful as
mentioned in the Book of the Law. First instructions were received direct
through Ron, the Seer. I have followed them to the letter. There was a
desire for incarnation. I am to act as instructor guardian guide for nine
months, then it will be loosed upon the world. That's all I can say for
now.... [Corydon, p. 257]
Crowley remained unimpressed. He wrote to one of his associates:
Apparently Parsons and Hubbard or somebody is producing a moonchild. I get
fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts. [Corydon, p.
257]
Later, Hubbard was to reveal some of his occult beliefs to his son in a
conversation documented by L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.:
We were in Philadelphia. It was November 1952.
Every night in the hotel, in preparation for the next day's lecture, he'd
pace the floor, exhilarated by this or that passage from Aleister
Crowley's writings.
Just a month before, he had been in London, where he had finally been able
to quench his thirst; to fill his cup with the true, raw, naked power of
the magick. The lust of centuries at his very fingertips.
To stroke and taste the environs of the Great Beast, to fondle Crowley's
books, papers, and memorabilia had filled him with pure ecstasy!
In London he had acquired, at last, the final keys; enabling him to take
his place upon the "Throne of the Beast," to which he firmly believed
himself to be the rightful heir.
"The books and contents to be kept forever secret," he says. "To reveal
them will cause you instant insanity; rip your mind apart; destroy you,"
he says.
"Secrets, techniques and powers I alone have conquered and harnessed. I
alone have refined, improved on, applied my engineering principles to.
Science and logic. The keys! My keys to the doorway of the Magick, my
magick! The power!"
"I've made the Magick really work," he says. "No more foolish rituals.
I've stripped the Magick to basics -- access without liability."
"Sex by will," he says. "Love by will -- no caring and no sharing -- no
feelings. None," he says. "Love reversed," he says. "Love isn't sex. Love
is no good; puts you at effect. Sex is the route to power," he says.
"Scarlet women! They are the secret to the doorway. Use and consume.
Feast. Drink the power through them. Waste and discard them."
"Scarlet?" I ask.
"Yes Scarlet: the blood of their bodies, the blood of their souls," he says.
"Release your will from bondage. Bend their bodies; bend their minds; bend
their wills; beat back the past. The present is all there is. No
consequences and no guilt. Nothing is wrong in the present. The will is
free -- totally free; no feelings; no effort; pure thought -- separated.
The Will postulating the Will," he says.
"Will, Sex, Love, Blood, Door, Power, Will. Logical," he says.
"The doorway of Plenty. The Great Door of the Great Beast." [Corydon, p. 307]
It is possible that Hubbard not only believed in Satan -- he believed he
was Satan!
According to Ron (Hubbard) Jr., his father considered himself to be the
one "who came after"; that he was Crowley's successor; that he had taken
on the mantle of the "Great Beast." He told him that Scientology® actually
began on December the 1st, 1947. This was the day Aleister Crowley died.
[Corydon, p. 50]
This is the foundation of Scientology®, the "Road to Total Freedom"!
[....]
Corydon, Bent. 1987. "L. Ron Hubbard: Messiah or Madman." Secaucus, New
Jersey: Lyle Stuart.
PENTHOUSE
June 1983?
[....]
Penthouse: Did [L. Ron Hubbard Sr.] write the book off the top of his
head? Did he do any real research?
Hubbard: No research at all. When he has answered that question over the
years, his answer has changed according to which biography he was writing.
Sometimes he used to write a new biography every week. He usually said
that he had put thirty years of research into the book. But no, he did
not. What he did, reaily, was take bits and pieces from other people and
put them together in a blender and stir them all up --- and out came
Dianetics®! All the examples in the book --- some 200 "real-life
experiences" --- were just the result of his obsessions with abortions and
unconscious states... In fact, the vast majority of those incidents were
invented off the top of his head. The rest stem from his own secret life,
which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic.
That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington.
D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law.
He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what
some people call the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an
immaculate conception --- except by Satan rather than by God. Another
important idea was the creation of what they call embryo implants --of
getting a satanic or demonic spirit to inhabit the body of a fetus. This
would come about as a result of black-magic rituals, which included the
use of hypnosis, drugs, and other dangerous and destructive practices. One
of the important things was to destroy the evidence if you failed at this
immaculate conception. That's how my father became obsessed with
abortions. I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years
old. It is certainly a problem for my father and for Scientology® that I
rememoer this. It was around 1939, 1940, that I watched my father doing
something to my mother. She was lying on the bed and he was sitting on
her, facing her feet. He had a coat hanger in his hand. There was blood
all over the place. I remember my father shouting at me. "Go back to bed!"
A little while later a doctor came and took her off to the hospital. She
didn't talk about it for quite a number of years. Neither did my father.
Penthouse: He was trying to perform an abortion?
Hubbard: According to him and my mother, he tried to do it with me. I was
born at six and a half months and weighed two pounds, two ounces. I mean,
I wasn't born: this is what came out as a result of their attempt to abort
me. It happened during a night of partying --he got involved in trying to
do a black-magic number. Also, I've got to complete this by saying that he
thought of himself as the Beast 666 incarnate.
Penthouse: The devil?
Hubbard: Yes. The Antichrist. Alestair Crowley thought of himself as such.
And when Crowley died in 1947, my father then decided that he should wear
the cloak of the beast and become the most powerful being in the universe.
Penthouse: You were sixteen years old at that time. What did you believe in?
Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house!
Scientology® and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that
Scientology® is black magic that is just spread out over a long time
period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a
few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so
you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology® --- and it
is probably the only part of Scientology® that really works.
Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He
thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of
communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshiped
anything. I mean, when you think you're the most powerful being in the
universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship.
Hengroen
Still not quite there
The Sunday Times 5 October 1969Spectrum
SCIENTOLOGY: Revealed for the first time. . .
The odd beginning of Ron Hubbard's career
above: "In 1946 Aleister Crowley (left), the sorcerer and mystic whose
dabblings in black magic earned him the title The Wickedest Man in the
World, found a new disciple and welcomed him to one of his occult
communities in California. The extraordinary activities of this new and
enthusiastic disciple are described in a vast collection of papers owned
by a former admirer of Crowley which we have examined. The man in question
is Lafayette Ron Hubbard (right), head of the now notorius Church of
Scientology."
JOHN WHITESIDE Parsons, a brilliant rocket fuel scientist, joined the
American branch of Crowley's cult in 1939. He struck up earnest
correspondence with "The Beast 666," as Crowley was known by his
followers, and soon became his outstanding protégé in the United States.
By January, 1946, Parsons was impatient to break new frontiers in the
occult world. He decided to take the spirit of Babalon, the "whore of
Babylon," and invest it in a human being.
But to carry out this intricate mission Parsons needed a female sexual
partner to create his child in the astral (spiritual) world. If this part
of the fixture went successfully Parsons would be able to call down the
spiritual baby and direct it to a human womb. When born, this child would
incarnate the forces of Babalon. During his magical preparations for this
incarnation Parsons found himself overwhelmed with assistance from a young
novitiate named Ron Hubbard.
Parsons write to Crowley at the beginning of 1946. "He (Hubbard) is a
gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become
great friends. Although he has no formal training in magic he has an
extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. Ron
appears to have some sort of highly developed astral vision. He describes
his angel as a beautiful winged woman with red hair whom he calls the
Empress and who has guided him through his life and saved him many times."
He concluded almost ecstatically, "He is in complete accord with our own
principles. I have found a staunch companion and comrade in Ron."
But within two months the bonds of friendship were under some strain: Ron
claimed Parsons girlfriend, Betty. With admirable restraint Parsons wrote
to Crowley, "She has transferred her sexual affection to Ron. I cared for
her rather deeply but I have no desire to control her emotions." As if to
cement their loyalties Parsons, Hubbard and Betty decided to pool their
finances and form a business partnership.
Meanwhile preparations for the mystical mission were well under way. From
January 4 to 15, 1946, Parsons and Hubbard engaged in a nightly ritual of
incantation, talisman-waving and other black magic faithfully described in
Parsons diary as Conjuration of Air, Invocation of Wand and Consecration
of Air Dagger. With a Prokofiev violin concerto blaring away the two of
them pleaded with the spirits for "an elemental mate" -- a girl willing to
go through sexual rites to incarnate Babalon in the spirit world.
Parson mentions that windstorms occurred on a couple of nights and one
night the power supply failed. But nothing seriously responsive until
January 14, when Ron was struck on the right shoulder and had a candle
knocked out of his hand. "He called me," Parsons wrote, "and we observed a
brownish yellow light about seven feet high. I brandished a magical sword
and it disappeared. Ron's right arm was paralyzed for the rest of the
night.
The following night was even more portentious. Hubbard apparently saw a
vision of one of Parsons' enemies. Parsons wrote, "He attacked the figure
and pinned it to the door with four big throwing knives with which he is
expert." For four days Parsons and Hubbard were in a state of tension.
Then, on January 18, Parsons turned to Ron and said, "It is done." He
added, "I returned home and found a young woman answering the requirements
waiting for me."
The incarnation ritual set out in Parsons' manuscript, The Book of
Babalon, is difficult reading for the unconfirmed spiritualist. Broadly
interpreted, Parsons and Hubbard constructed an altar and Hubbard acted as
high priest during a series of ceremonies in which Parsons and the girl
shared sex. The owner of the documents, who is an expert on Crowley's
magic, says that Parsons at this stage was completely under Hubbard's
domination. How else can one explain Hubbard's role as High priest in the
rites after only a few weeks in the trade?
For the first of the birth ceremonies which began on March 1 Hubbard wore
white and carried a lamp while Parsons
above: PARSONS, the AntiChrist
was cloaked in a black, hooded garment carrying a cup and dagger. At
Hubbard's suggestion they played Rachmaninoff's Isle of the dead as
background music.
Parsons account of the start of the birth ritual is as follows: "The
Scribe (Hubbard) said, 'The year of babalon is 4063. She is the flame of
life, power of darkness, she destroys with a glance, she may take thy
soul. She feeds upon the death of mean. beautiful -- horrible.' The
scribe, now pale and sweating rested awhile, then continued." There are
two possible reasons why Hubbard showed anxiety at this stage of the
ceremony, the owner of the papers says. He was either deeply moved by the
spiritual depth of the ceremony or he couldnt think what to say next.
Hubbard further instructed Parsons: "display thyself to our lady; dedicate
thy organs to her; display thy mind to her; dedicate thy soul to her, for
she shall sbsorb thee. Retire from human contact until noon tommarro.
Speak not of this ritual. Discuss nothing of it. Consult no book but thine
own mind. Thou art a god. Behave at this alter as one before another."
On the third day the ritual began four hours before dawn. Ron tells his
companion, "lay out a white sheet. Place upon it blood of birth. Envision
her approaching thee. Think upon the lewd, lascivious things thou coulds't
do. All is good to Babalon. All. Preserve the material basis. Thus lust is
hers, the passion yours. Consider thou the Beast raping." These
invocations along with other passages in the ritual indicates that Parsons
had collected specimens of his own sperm and the girls menstrual fluid.
The climax of the ceremony occurred the following day with Ron at he altar
working his two subjects into a sexual frenzy. Over Rachmaninoff he
intoned such gems as:
Her mouth is red and her breasts are fair and her loins are full of fire,
And her lust is strong as a man is strong in the heat of her desire.
An exalted Parsons wrote the next day, "Babalon is incarnate upon the
earth today awaiting the proper hour of her manifestation. And in that day
my work will be accomplished and I shall be blown away upon the breath of
the father even as it is prophecied." (In fact, Parsons was "blown away"
in a rocket experiment laboratory in Pasadena in 1952.)
Unable to contain his joy, Parsons decided to tell Crowley what had
happened. On March 6 he wrote, "I can hardly tell you or decide ho much to
write I am under command of extreme secrecy. I have had the most
important, devastating experience of my life." Crowley was dumbfounded by
the news of the incarnation ceremony. He wrote back, "You have me
completely puzzled by your remarks. I thought I had the most morbid
imagination but it seems I have not. I cannot form the slightest idea what
you can possibly mean>"
With a distinct note of concern he dashed off a letter on the same day to
the head of his American cult saying, "Apparently Parsons or Hubbard or
somebody is producing a Moonchild. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate
the idiocy of these louts." (This acid rebuke comes from a man whose
activities were once summed up by a judge like this: "I have never heard
such dreadful, horrible, blasphemous and abominable stuff as that which
has been produced by the man who describes himself as the greatest living
poet.")
By May that same year Crowley was not only concerned about Parsons
spiritual well-being. There was a smaller matter of certain moneys. When
the trio formed their business enterprise, Parsons is believed to have put
in 17,000 dollars, Hubbard about 1,000 dollars, and Betty nothing. Using
about 10,000 dollars of he money, Hubbard and his newly acquired
girlfriend, Betty, bought a yacht. A report to the head of the American
branch by another cult member says, "Ron and Betty have their boat at
Miami, Florida, and are living the life of Riley, while Brother John
(Parsons) is living at rock bottom and I mean rock bottom.
In a more sinister way, the report added: "Let is consider this matter of
the magical child which Jack Parsons is supposed to turn loose on the
world in nine months (now seven). Ron, the Seer, was the guy who laid down
the main ideas, technic (sic), etc., of said operation."
On reading Parson's accounts of the ceremony and the reports from branch
headquarters in America, Crowley cabled his U S office on May 22: "Suspect
Ron playing confidence trick -- Jack Parsons weak fool -- obvious victim
prowling swindlers." In a letter a few days later he said, "It seems to me
on the information of our brethren in California that Parsons has got an
illumination in which he lost all his personal independence. From our
brother's account, he has given away both his girl and his money .
Apparently it is the ordinary confidence trick."
A much-chastened Parsons wrote to Crowley on July 5, "Here I am in Miami
pursuing the children of my folly. I have them well tied up. They cannot
move without going to jail. However, I am afraid that most of the money
has already been spent. I will be lucky to salvage 3,000 to 5,000
dollars." Just how Parsons managed to capture the errant lovers is in
keeping with the other extraordinary chapters of this story. "Hubbard
attempted to escapeme," Parsons wrote, "by sailing at 5 p.m. and performed
a full invocation to the Bartzabel within the circle at 8 p.m. (a curse).
At the same time, however, his ship was struck by a sudden squall off the
coast which ripped off his sails and forced him back to port where I took
the boat in custody."
Parsons recovered financially and possibly as a backlash to his experience
with Hubbard, he took the Oath of the AntiChrist in 1948 and changed his
name to Belarion Armiluss Al Dajjal AntiChrist. In his scientology
publications Hubbard says of the period, "Crippled and blinded at the end
of the war I resumed studies of philosophy and by my discoveries recovered
so fully that I was reclassified in 1949 for full combat duty."
Hubbard claims that more than two dozen thinkers, prophets and
psychologists influenced scientology (which he launched in 1951); everyone
from Plato, Jesus of Nazareth to Sigmund Freud whom he says he studied
under in Vienna. The record can now be righted with the inclusion of
Aleister Crowley, the Beast, 666.
Alexander Mitchell
Hengroen
The post war meeting 1945
I'll keep my eyes open for the prewar one I read about
Scientology, Satanic Link?
By RICHARD JOHNSON with PAULA FROELICH and CHRIS WILSON
March 16, 2003
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SCIENTOLOGY: A SATANIC LINK?
THE trendiest religion in Hollywood was founded on the teachings of a
Satanist, a new essay by Camille Paglia claims. The Church of Scientology
- which boasts Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Lisa Marie Presley, Hilary
Swank, Juliette Lewis and Kirstie Alley among its members - was founded by
science-fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard. According to an article by Paglia
in Boston University's Arion journal, Hubbard got many of his ideas from
infamous devil worshipper Alistair Crowley.
"Hubbard had met Crowley in the latter's Los Angeles temple in 1945,"
Paglia writes. "Hubbard's son reveals that Hubbard claimed to be Crowley's
successor: Hubbard told him that Scientology was born on the day that
Crowley died."
According to the article, Scientologists perform some of the same rites
that Crowley invented, all designed to free practitioners from human
guilt.
"Drills used by Scientologists to cleanse and clarify the mind are
evidently a reinterpretation of Crowley's singular fusion of Asian
meditation and Satanic ritualism, which sharpens the all-conquering will .
. . Guilt and remorse, in the Crowley way, are mere baggage to be
jettisoned," Paglia says.
She writes that Crowley, a Nazi sympathizer who used opiates and
hallucinogens and called himself "The Great Beast," advocated total sexual
freedom, including orgies and bestiality.
Long after his death in 1947, the diabolist attracted even bigger
followers than Hubbard, who founded Scientology in 1954.
"Crowley's influence fell heavily on the late sixties and seventies . . .
The Beatles inserted Crowley's face (back row, second from left) in the
cartoon cover collage of their landmark ŒSgt. Pepper' album," Paglia
writes. In fact, some people say the famous first line of the album, "It
was 20 years ago today," is a reference to the year of Crowley's demise.
Other Crowley fans include Ozzy Osbourne, who dedicated an entire song to
him on his first solo album. David Bowie refers to Crowley and his cult,
The Golden Dawn, on his early song "Quicksand," and Led Zeppelin's Jimmy
Page bought Crowley's mansion, Boleskin House, in Scotland.
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" These cults, from those connected with George Ivanovitch, Gurdjieff,
Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, and Rudolf Steiner to their present
reincarnations, shared certain features: an authoritarian obedience to a
charismatic and Messianic leader; secrecy; loyalty to the group above all
other ties, a belief in supernatural possibilities open to members only, a
belief in reincarnation; initiation into superhuman sources of power;
literal acceptance of the myth of ancient " "giants" or supermen who
handed down an oral tradition to a chosen people and who were guiding us
now; and, in uncommon cases, Satanic practices." "The Nazi's and the
Occult 1977, by Dusty Sklar"
Muldoon
Well, you've certainly done your homework.
I do recommend that you keep in mind that Hubbard, while an
enthusiastic studier of Crowley's writings, and a believer in the
philosophy of the "Superman over the weakling," and "Pure cause,
'Will', Intention/'no effect' on oneself, no guilt, no conscience,"
etc., also was a chronic manipulator and prevaricator.
Muldoon
Muldoon wrote:
-snip to make reading easier-
> Well, you've certainly done your homework.
>
> I do recommend that you keep in mind that Hubbard, while an
> enthusiastic studier of Crowley's writings, and a believer in the
> philosophy of the "Superman over the weakling," and "Pure cause,
> 'Will', Intention/'no effect' on oneself, no guilt, no conscience,"
> etc., also was a chronic manipulator and prevaricator.
Updated and expanded 'Messiah or Madman?'
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942637577/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-8564932-9185732
Hengroen
This has got me intrigued in that I am quite sure that I saw documentation
of this meeting. But it is several years ago. At the time I was going
through earlier Internet information on Scientology as a result of contact
with an American friend who was once a member. I reead the Fushman
papers (I think that was his name) and a lot of other material
That information appears and disappears on Scientology is hardly a new
phenomena. I took the mention of the prewar meeting at face value and did
not recognise at the time that it was "significant" because it predated
Parsons and put it in the time frame of early meetings with Campbell (ASF)
So like I say if I spot it again I'll post it and if anyone else remebers
this snippet I am sure we would both be interested
I am sure my recollection of this article is correct because it was my
first introduction to the Crowley connection - the very first item I ever
read on it rather than an incorrectly recalled overlay on existing
knowledge.
If there was a prewar meeting then Parsons was duped too!
Regards
Hengroen
Hengroen
found on the net
here as a temporary end point is Fishmans publication of Hubbards OT VIII
Have fun and don't forget the hypnotic block!
++++++++++++
OT VIII, Part 2
US District Court, Central District of California
Fishman Case No 91-6426 HLH (Tx)
HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor. East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO BULLETIN OF 5 MAY 1980
LIMITED DISTRIBUTION ISSUE I
OT VIII Course Students
OT OT VIII Auditors
OT VIII CIS*s
AO Review Auditors
AO C/Ses
OT VIII Series I
C O N F I D E N T I A L
STUDENT BRIEFING
By the time you read this I will no longer be occupying the body and identity
that you have known as Ron. That identity continues to live in the hearts and
minds of many as well as in on-Source tech and admin centers around the planet,
and will inspire for years to come Scientologists and lovers of truth
every-where.
What follows is a story that has been withheld, for reasons which will soon be
obvious, until such time as there were enough OTs that something could be done
about it. That time Is now. It is not a nice or a pretty story. but I trust
that having arrived on the OT VIII Course you are ready to hear it. You have
undoubtedly heard pieces of data over the years that hinted at the greater
untold reality of my mission here on Earth. but the story was never written,
nor spoken. in its entirety due to security problems that have unfortunately
always plagued the organization. It is only now that I feel it safe to release
the information, although the time is rapidly approaching when I will have no
choice in the matter, the hour draws that near.
I an not going to delve too deeply into specifics as people have a tendency to
bog themselves down in significance. which would only serve to delay the
immediacy of the task at hand. Therefore I will be brief.
Some eighty-odd million years ago Earth time (it actually dates at 78,395,042
but dates are & bit superfluous with this material) plans were drawn by a
group outside the MEST universe for the eventual takeover of a good portion of
this universe. Not a particularly large nor Imaginative crew, their exterior
perspective. however. gives them considerable advantage over tho time-bound
beings of the MEST universe. Borrowing from earlier operations such as
Helotrobus. they conceived an ongoing implant. some portions of which have been
fairly faithfully rendered in parts of the Bible. This implant, laid in by
carefully controlled genetic mutation at Incident Two of OT Ill and
periodically reinforced by controlled historic events since then, makes it
effectively impossible for beings on the more heavily affected planets such as
Earth to become free. It causes progressive genetic "evolution" that gives the
subject population greater and greater susceptibility to the telepathic
impingement and direction of the controllers. In its final stage the
progression becomes almost geometric, and it is this final stage that we are
rapidly approaching.
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Another aspect of this GE-line implant is that the body becomes in effect a
sort of thats trap that kicks in heavily on the being should he attempt to
expand his horizons beyond that of pure physical universe reality.
There can
be temporary key-outs which we have all experienced in varying degrees. but
until this area is handled it can honestly be said that there is no hope for
continued expansion. The good news is that once this is run out. expansion
becomes rather effortless and almost automatic.
No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where
various events are predicted. Also mentioned Is a brief period of time in
which an arch-enemy of Christ. reforred to as the anti-Christ, will
reign and
his opinions will have sway. All this makes for very fantastic,
entertaining
reading but there is truth in it. This anti-Christ represents the
forces of
Lucifer (literally, the "light bearers" or "light bringer"), Lucifer
being a
mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment, the Galactic
Confederacy. My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise
represented by this brief anti-Christ period. During this period
there is a
fleeting opportunity for the whole scenario to be. effectively
derailed. which
would make it impossible for the mass Marcabian landing (Second
Coming) to take
place. The Second Coming is designed, among other things, to trigger
a rapid
series of destructive events.
With the exception of the original Buddhism, virtually all religions of any
consequence on this planet, mono- and pantheistic alike. have been
instruments
to speed the progress of this "evolution of consciousness" and bring
about the
eventual enslavement of mankind. As you know, Siddhartha Gautama
never claimed
to be anything more than a man. Having caught on to this operation, he
postulated his own return as Metteyya, part of which prophecy will have been
fulfilled upon the passing of L. Ron Hubbard.
For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on. let me take the
opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the
historic
Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In
addition
to being a lover of young boys and men. he was given to uncontrollable
bursts of
temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and
other typical Marcab PR. You have only to look at the history his
teachings
inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It Is historic fact
and yet man
still clings to the ideal. so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.
It Is a good joke that the Calactic Confederacy is associated with the
Serpent
in the Garden, the beast and other emissaries of the "Prince of
Darkness". Yet
in certain passages and esoteric interpretations of the Bible (much of which
has been taken out and effectively suppressed for centuries) as well as the
Cabbalah, the truth reveals itself quite nicely for the clever and the
ungullible.
So it really is a race against time and one that we happen to be losing
at the
moment, as the implant drama inexorably plays itself out in spite of the
breakneck pace I've managed to keep up these last thirty-five years.
I had an inkling, but only that, of the insidiousness of this material
as far
back as 1945. Later. in charcteristic over-optimism, I thought that
R6 would
be the end of it. But that was followed by NOTs and the Purification
Rundown
and still the string continued to unwind with the ball at the end of it just
out of sight. It makes ons wonder about such things as fate and
destiny, such
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was the resolve with which I managed to cling to that string. not often knowing
how close I was to falling into the abyss myself. but destiny it merely the
rationalization of feeble minds. Things don't just happen, they are caused.
And causative beings can undo the plans of madmen and would-be enslavers, no
matter how long those plans may have been in the making.
I will soon leave this world only to return and complete my mission with
another Identity. Although I long to stretch my arms back in repose
on some
distant star in some distant galaxy. It appears that is one dream
that will
have to wait. But my return depends on people like you doing these
materials
thoroughly and completely so that there will be a genetically uncontaminated
body for me to pick up and resume where I left off. A body free of
religious
mania, right/wrong dichotomy and synthetic karma. The job ahead is far too
tough to even contemplate doing with your standard -- courtesy of certain
other-dimensional players and their Marcab pieces, many of whom are right here
In the general populace -- genetically altered body.
Without the biogenetic meddling of those who stand outside time (who cannot yet
directly influence our world and must work through others) the dwindling spiral
is not nearly as automatic and self-perpetuating as it appears. There are
regions even in isolated parts of the Milky Way where poets are free to poet
and magicians can paint reality with their magic wands and exteriorize without
body kickback. But these areas unfortunately are fewer and fewer.
I will return not as a religious leader but a political one. That happens to
be the requisite beingness for the task at hand. I will not be known
to most
of you, my activities misunderstood by many, yet along with your constant
effort in the theta band I will effectively postpone and then halt a series of
events designed to make happy slaves of us all.
So there you have it. The secret that I have kept close to my chest
all these
years. Now you too are part of this secret and I no longer have to
shoulder
the burden alone or live with the possibility of body death before all the data
could be released. And with this briefing I entrust to each of you the
responsibility for this material until such time as I an able to return. For
we have no help from any other quarter in this matter. The handful of secret
societies throughout history that have caught on to this game have long since
fallen by the wayside or been taken over and become instruments of the very
menace they were set up to combat.
The rundown is long and can be arduous, but it must be done thoroughly if there
is to be any effect not only on the body of the pre-OT but the body of his or
her progeny as wall. There is some danger, but with OT VII thoroughly
complete
It is not nearly so great as the danger witnessed by assorted unfortunates who
happened to stumble into this area in their sleep or in moments of reverie or
anaten, experiencing an hitherto mysterious phenomenon known as "spontaneous
combustion".
CAUTION: DO NOT BE PTS WHILE TRAVERSING THIS THIRD AND FINAL WALL OF FIRE
But the area is well charted. the rundown many years in secret development, and
by the time you read this undoubtedly completed on myself. The wins awaiting
you are like none that you have ever experienced, not just for you. but for
your children. your children's children and the whole of mankind, if we
succeed. And we will. If we had time we should pity the many poor
souls, from
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1950 to PT, who chose such an exactly inopportune moment to drop off the road
to truth and disconnect from reality, the full burst and glory of OT
practically within their grasp. But we haven't the time to "wax philosophic"
or ponder might have beens.
The rundown follows. Again I say, do it thoroughly and completely, for it is
your ticket to the stars. And beyond!
L. RON HUBBARD
FOUNDER
LRH:lrh
Copyright (c) 1980
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
(0132)
Muldoon
-snip for ease of reading-
This document represents many of Hubbard's views, but In my opinion,
was not written by Hubbard.
I know a Scientology attorney vouched for its authenticity in a court
hearing, with a stack of other Hubbard docs, but my opinion is that
it's a bogus doc.
It doesn't change much, as Hubbard did believe most of its contents.
But it's too honest for Hubbard, even for something directed at "upper
level" Scientologists, and it's not his writing style, and I have a
reliable source who knew the actual author: An admirer of Hubbard,
believe it or not, who wrote it, along with a bogus ("dark blue on
light blue") 'Executive Directive', in order to "stabilize the field."
I've examined many documents related to Hubbard/Crowley/Scientology,
and only these two have I judged to be fabrications.
Again: The key contents of the "OT VIII" doc. (regarding Christ,
Kabbalah, etc.) are representative of Hubbard's views, and can be
confirmed elsewhere, so it possibly being bogus is not earth-shaking.
Hengroen
"Muldoon" <bria...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
Very difficult to know - I agree
Hascien London first started to attract attention when it started
recruiting amongst people associated with those active in the antiVietnam
War movement. Britain was at that time under a Labour Government that was
against involvement in Vietnam. This was the time of the Harold Wilson -
George Brown Government
A number of journalists and investigators went into Hascien recruitment
meetings and the zombie-like character of many Scientolgists was noted -
some were spaced out as if on drugs. That is why Hascien spoke of the
"bright eyes of a Clear" often pupils were blown out as if the person was
on drugs - in fact they were in a near psychotic hypnotic state. Even the
word Hascien could induce it in some processed persons when you spoke it
to them when they were away from the building. They also got frequent
headaches which seemed to be post hypnotic suggestions. These appeared to
be set in place by senior consultants away from regular auditing sessions
In an unlikely common interest communication the head of Britain's special
Branch was informally contacted and informed of what was being uncovered.
The return message was to "keep well clear" - the police were
investigating and there were international high level communications
relating to just what the Hell was going on. Allied Intelligence services
do not usually operate in this manner in each others territories
Progressively Hascien moved its operations out to Saint Hill. I understand
there were investigations into their files etc
It is all a very long time ago. But just in case you are interested,
Special Branch was fully informed as early as 1968. Forty years ago.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Piltdown Man
Hengroen <Art...@Rex-quondam-Rex-que-futuris.com> wrote...
<snip>
> > > Hubbard in his travels visited Aleister Crowley - the Satanist -
> > > before the war in Italy. Crowley ran a sort of Satanic commune.
> > > He actually described Hubbard as a "f---ing idiot"
> >
> > -snip-
> >
> > Please cite date and geographical location for this meeting.
> >
> > Thanks.
>
> The post war meeting 1945
In January 1945 Crowley moved into a boarding house in Hastings where he
lived until his death in December 1947. His time seems to have been largely
taken up by his heroin addiction, interspersed with some correspondence.
(source: Francis King: The Magical World of Aleister Crowley.) He didn't
leave England during this time.
In January 1945, Hubbard was transferred to the Naval Civil Affairs Staging
Area in Monterey, California, after having finished (with unremarkable
grades) a four-month course at the Naval Training School, Princeton, NJ.
There he staid until he reported sick with a multitude of simulated
ailments in April 1945, and was transferred to Oak Knoll Naval Hospital,
where he remained until being 'mustered out' on December 5. He then moved
into Jack Parsons's house. He didn't leave the United States during this
time. (source: Russel Miller, Bare-faced Messiah).
<snip>
> "Hubbard had met Crowley in the latter's Los Angeles temple in 1945,"
> Paglia writes.
Anything written by Camille Paglia can be assumed with a very high degree
of probability to be total hogwash, whatever the subject and whether she's
spouting opinions or supposed "facts".
Rod
> x-no-archive: yes
>
>>On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:42:11 -0000, "Bible John"
>><johnw...@yahoo.comPDA> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Cruise has been making a big deal of Scientology in the media within the
>>>past year or so. I was unable to find information on Scientology on my most
>>>trusted Internet apologetics resource (www.carm.org).
>>>
>>>As far as I can tell Scientologists are not Spiritual Terrorists, because
>>>Scientology is an entirely different religion. But I will be happy to learn
>>>more about this.
>>>
>>>As the founder and director of Church Education Resource Ministries
>>>(http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible) Apologetics is not my main focus, but its
>>>definately a focus of my ministy, and should be for all christians.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>John
>>
>>
>>Scientology, better known and SLYentology is nothing but a false
>>religious cult.
>
>
> REALLY? (sound of slap on knee)
>
> I wasn't aware of that!
>
> Elaine, you have a true gift for stating the obvious.
>
>
>
>
>
>>Founded by a wannabee science fiction 'writer', L. Ron Hubbard, it was
>>originally known as 'Dianetics'.
>
>
> Really?
>
>
>>The cult uses tactics such as 'confessionals' whereby the 'auditor'
>>uses a ridiculous little item they call an 'e-meter' to determine
>>whether or not the applicant is lying.
>
>
> Really?
>
> And how exactly did you become an authority on Scientology?
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>
>
>>Each one who wants to join their cults undergoes such grilling, which
>>is saved to use against them later on, should they smarten up and
>>decide to leave it.
>
>
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>
> Really?
>
>
>
>>Old man hubbard died in 1986 screaming like the madman he truly was,
>>insisting 'he was being eaten alive by body thetans'
>
>
> And exactly how do you know he wasn't?
>
>
> ......... the
>
>>idiot also claimed 'he would be resurrected in 20 years, then return
>>to rule the world' ! LOL! So, slyentologists who still believe in the
>>old fart are fully expecting it to return this year!
>
>
> ********************* VULGARITY ALERT! **************
>
>
>>Old hubbard made up his own ridiculous 'vocabulary' which members used
>>in their futile attempts to confuse onlookers and non-members.
>
>
> He made up his own vocabulary, eh?
>
> Like the author of the Dr Seuss books?
>
>
>>ALL non-members are considered 'subversives' to the cult.
>>The cult has tried to silence its critics with lawsuits.
>>
>>I have a considerable amount of information on the cult, some of it
>>obtained first-hand by snail-mailing the idiots for their 'information
>>kit',
>
>
> Is there anyone on the planet who isn't an idiot BESIDES YOU, Elaine?
>
> I mean, you're certainly talking way over MY head!
>
>
> letting on I was interested in joining!!
>
> Darn, you're clever!
>
> ;-)
>
> john w
>
> A lot of other info I
>
>>received from an ex-member.
>
>
John, you ask for everything you get ! It is unbelieveable,
you complain about Elaine harassing you from one side of your,
and give her REASON to come back at you from the OTHER side
of your mouth ! This isn't insane, it's ASKING for trouble,
and you'll reap it !
Rod
--
Matthew 5:43-45a
"Ye have heard that it hath been said,
Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate
thine enemy."
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and
pray for them which despitefully use you, and
persecute you; That ye may be the children of your
Father which is in heaven"
Romans 12:20-21
"Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him;
if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou
shalt heap coals of fire on his head."
"Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil
with good."
1Co 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ, and every one of you the
separate parts of it.
1Co 12:28 And God has put some in the church, first, Apostles; second,
prophets; third, teachers; then those with wonder-working powers, then
those with the power of taking away disease, helpers, wise guides, users
of strange tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all Apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? have
all the power of working wonders?
1Co 12:30 Are all able to take away disease? have all the power of
tongues? are all able to give their sense?
1Co 12:31 But let your desires be turned to the more important things
given by the Spirit. And now I am pointing out to you an even better way.
NOspam@nospam
wrote:
>
>
> John, you ask for everything you get ! It is unbelieveable,
> you complain about Elaine harassing you from one side of your,
> and give her REASON to come back at you from the OTHER side
> of your mouth ! This isn't insane, it's ASKING for trouble,
> and you'll reap it !
>
>
> Rod
Rod, weatherless lives for ATTENTION in any way he can get it.
It's all part of his 'mental pattern' ----------------- though he
denies it, his mental state is screaming for attention, whether it be
positive or negative.....
Balios
In fact Elaine this is how the Fundamentalists have worked on him
LOOK at this one.
In article <gdem32tuamet3fs39...@4ax.com>, john w
<jo...@yow.how> wrote:
>
> In fact, you CRETIN, God DOES monitor my every thought; He also
> monitors YOUR every thought.
>
> God monitors EVERYONE's every thought, so YOU don't need to!
>
> 'nuff said!
>
> demoniac!
>
> john w
>
NOspam@nospam
wrote:
He NEEDS working on, that's for sure...........
Pastor Steve Winter
>weatherless lives for ATTENTION in any way he can get it.
Does not Merle Elaine Matthews worship the EXACT SAME
trinity that the aforementioned resident nutter does?
What is the difference between your god squad and his, Merle?
Seriously are you not both trinitarian "brethren" and "sistern"?
Will you not be spending eternity together?
Pastor Winter http://www.heathenholidays.com
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
NOspam@nospam
<steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote:
>alt.bible,alt.christnet.public,alt.religion.scientology,free.christians,alt.religion.christian.baptist
idiot!!!!!!!!!
Pastor Steve Winter
>idiot!!!!!!!!!
Is that the best the devilish false-christian scum Merle Elaine
Matthews can do to defend the stupid garbage she believes?
Let me repost the question!