Hell (theology bible message)
Bible John
For today's lesson we will be focusing on Hell. I know this is a very
touchy subject, and one that should be a esential resource for many.
This study, like all my studies are merely introductions to the subject.
Many, many books have been written on Hell, and I can only begin to
comment on the subject. I am by no means am a bible scholar (at least
not yet) and for more detail one should always check out a book or
theological journal.
A good Theological resource that I've used a half dozen times in the
Theology papers that I wrote at Simpson is the Journal of the
Evangelical theological society. They probably have a website that you
can check out to order their books. But each journal article is written
by bible and theology scholars.
I will be using the following resources for this topic.
New Dictionary of Biblical Theology
New Dictionary of Theology
New Ungers Bible Dictionary
Eastons Bible Dictionary
Hell is a place that is not really talked about much in the bible for
reasons unknown. But the image that most have of hell did not come from
the bible, but from Dante's Inferno work. Although those with a NDE do
account some accuricies in the Inferno work, no one knows for sure how
acurate are the stories of those with a NDE. One thing the bible does
make clear is that Hell is where all unbelievers will spend eternity
seperated from God. Hell is where you will find Hitler, Judas, Joseph
Smith, and the countless of other souls that will go there after they
die. Unfortunately it may also be where Steve Winter and Bible Bob go
to if they do not repent and accept Jesus as Lord, God, second person in
the Holy Trinity, savior, sanctifier, redeemer and coming King.
In the New testament most references to Hell are found in the 3 synoptic
gospels. In Literature of the NT we were taught that the synoptics were
Matt, Mark, and Luke, because they were all seen with the same eye and
had very similiar accounts in the three works. I believe the best
reference to Hell would be in Luke 16:19-31 which is below.
New International Version
[Lk 16:19] "Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in
purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day.
[20] "And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with
sores,
[21] and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the
rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his
sores.
[22] "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to
Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
[23] "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham
far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and
send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool
off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
[25] "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you
received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he
is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
[26] 'And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm
fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be
able, and that none may cross over from there to us.'
[27] "And he said, 'Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my
father's house‹
[28] for I have five brothers‹in order that he may warn them, so that
they will not also come to this place of torment.'
[29] "But Abraham *said, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them
hear them.'
[30] "But he said, 'No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from
the dead, they will repent!'
[31] "But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the
Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the
dead.' "
This passage seems to be a literal event and not a parable like some
others may believe. If the story above were not literal, then we could
only imagine what hell is like. But with a clear passage on the subject
we know very clearly that our efforts to redeem the lost are even
greater.
Greek/Hebrew translations of Hell in the bible
Throughout the bible there are three words that are translated into Hell
from the original languages.
Sheol- This Hebrew term occurs several times in the bible and is often
meant to mean "A place for the dead."
The term is thus used with reference to both the righteous and the
wicked: of the righteous (Ps 16:10; 30:3; Isa 38:10; etc.), of the
wicked (Nu 16:33; Job 24:19; Ps 9:17; etc.). This is in accordance with
the general character of the OT revelation, which presents much less
clearly and strongly than the NT the doctrine of the future life with
its distinct allotments of doom. But there are many hints, and more than
hints, of the difference in the conditions of the departed. The psalmist
prays: "Do not drag me away with the wicked and with those who work
iniquity" (Ps 28:3; see also Isa 33:14; 66:24; Da 12:2) (NUBD).
Hades- This term is only found in the NT. Like the previous term,
Hades has nearly the exact same meaning as the word Sheol. The Greek
word Hades appears in these passages of scripture Mt 11:23; 16:18; Lk
10:15; 16:23; Ac 2:27,31; Rev 1:18; 6:8; 20:13-14. Looking at the
passages where Hades is used it would appear that Hades is the waiting
ground that comes before Hell. Hell would ultimately be the Lake of
Fire, but scripture is quite clear in the book of Revelation that there
is no one in the Lake of Fire just yet.
Gehenna- The last major word used in the scriptures to describe Hell.
This Greek word appears 12 times in the NT. One such verse where this
word is used is Matt 23:33.
Mt 23:33 NASB
[Mt 23:33] "You serpents G3789, you brood G1081 of vipers G2191, how
G4459 will you escape G5343 the sentence G2920 of hell G1067?
KJV
[Mt 23:33] Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
HCSB
[Mt 23:33] "Snakes! Brood of vipers! How can you escape being condemned
to hell?
I did not copy & paste any "Dyanamic Free translations" above, but when
looking at the NIV (the most conservative of the Dynamic free
translations) I discovered that even the NIV uses the word Hell in the
verse above. So its safe to say that this verse of scripture has not
been watered down across the dynamic translations over time. I did not
look at the TNIV nor the Message which may have elliminated the offense
of the word Hell in the verse above. These seem to be the most liberal
of the Dynamic Free translations.
The eternal Fate of Unbelievers
Some believe in a annihilation theology. In such a teaching the wicked
are eliminated or done away with. While others believe that the wicked
will suffer for all eternity in the Lake of Fire.
Mal 4:1 is one such passage that those that believe in a annihilation
theology hold to.
King James Version
[Mal 4:1] For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and
all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the
day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it
shall leave them neither root nor branch.
The phrase "burn them up" sounds more attractive to the unbelievers than
everlasting torment and I would have to agree. But I do believe that one
thing that those who hold this Annihilation or elimination of the wicked
theology overlook is a term taught in a basic Hermeneutics course called
"hyperbole." The term means exaggeration for effect. Hyperbole is found
all throughout the bible, go see for yourself!
In my opinion I think accurate verses that describes the fate of
unbelievers are below.
NIV
[Rev 20:10] And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake
of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been
thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[Rev 20:15] If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life,
he was thrown into the lake of fire.
To conclude I believe its very important to watch how we minister to
unbelievers knowing the fate of their eternal souls. We know where they
will go when they die so I believe that we need to show great compassion
for the lost. Jesus himself wept as he overlooked Jerusalem. He knew
that so many would eventually end up in the Lake of Fire before they
even died. I believe that the attitude of Christ is what we should
have. Bible Bob is in error whose soul is dammed to everlasting torment
in the Lake of Fire if he doesn't repent and acknowledge that Jesus
Christ is God, his savior, sanctifier, redeemer, and coming king. I have
tried to show compassion to Bible Bob whom seems to have a good heart,
but is in deep theological error which will sadly lead to Bob's death. I
pray for Bob and all other unbelievers here to receive the light, repent
of their sin and come to Christ so they may avoid life in the Lake of
Fire and Brimstone.
--
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, łI am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
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Last of All
Matthew 25 tells us specifically that most Right-wing, Fundamentalist
Christians who consider themselves "saved" will spend eternity in hell:
Mat 25:31-46 BBE But when the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the
angels with him, then will he be seated in his glory: (32) And before him
all the nations will come together; and they will be parted one from
another, as the sheep are parted from the goats by the keeper. (33) And he
will put the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left.
(34) Then will the King say to those on his right, Come, you who have the
blessing of my Father, into the kingdom made ready for you before the world
was: (35) For I was in need of food, and you gave it to me: I was in need of
drink, and you gave it to me: I was wandering, and you took me in; (36) I
had no clothing, and you gave it to me: when I was ill, or in prison, you
came to me. (37) Then will the upright make answer to him, saying, Lord,
when did we see you in need of food, and give it to you? or in need of
drink, and give it to you? (38) And when did we see you wandering, and take
you in? or without clothing, and give it to you? (39) And when did we see
you ill, or in prison, and come to you? (40) And the King will make answer
and say to them, Truly I say to you, Because you did it to the least of
these my brothers, you did it to me.
(41) Then will he say to those on the left, Go from me, you cursed ones,
into the eternal fire which is ready for the Evil One and his angels: (42)
For I was in need of food, and you gave it not to me; I was in need of
drink, and you gave it not to me: (43) I was wandering, and you took me not
in; without clothing, and you gave me no clothing; ill, and in prison, and
you came not to me. (44) Then will they make answer, saying, Lord, when did
we see you in need of food or drink, or wandering, or without clothing, or
ill, or in prison, and did not take care of you? (45) Then will he make
answer to them, saying, Truly I say to you, Because you did it not to the
least of these, you did it not to me. (46) And these will go away into
eternal punishment; but the upright into eternal life.
icono
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>
> Matthew 25 tells us specifically that most Right-wing, Fundamentalist
> Christians who consider themselves "saved" will spend eternity in hell:
>
Right wing = anti socialist, anti communist, anti despotism.
Right wing = Pro self responsible, less government (socialism)
Fundamentalist Christians = one who believes in the fundamentals of
Christianity.
Last of All = In opposition of the above as self stated.
Hence, pro Communist / socialist, no personal responsibility and anti
Christian.
Bible Bob
wrote:
>
>
>Matthew 25 tells us specifically that most Right-wing, Fundamentalist
>Christians who consider themselves "saved" will spend eternity in hell:
LOL! Boy is that a stretch of the truth. You are using the figure
"Hyperbole" and don't really mean what you are saying, right? You are
trying to play a joke on people, right?
Just in case you are serious; there are a few problems with your
statement.
First, it is a lie if it is not hyperbole or a joke.
Right wing fundamentalists (which I am not, by the way) are not
mentioned in the Bible so for you to say that "Matthew 25 tells us
"specifically" that Right-wing, Fundamentalist Christians who consider
themselves "saved" will spend eternity in hell" is a lie. It does not
say what you said it specifically says.
You compounded the lie when you qualified "Christians" with the word
"consider." A Christian is a disciple of Jesus Christ so there is
nothing to consider regarding being saved. They must be saved to be a
disciple. First one, then two.
Then you told an out and out lie when you said "Christians...will
spend an eternity in hell." Hell is the grave and nothing more than
the state of being dead. Hell and death is what is cast into the lake
of fire; hell is not the lake of fire. Read the Bible, it says so.
Christians do not go into the lake of fire. The lake of fire comes
after the gathering together of the saints at the parusia of Christ
and does not exist in present time. Hell, from hades, is the grave
and Christians who are in the grave when Christ returns are raised
from the dead before the events in revelation take place.
Then there is the part of the lie where you try to apply what Jesus
says to Israel to the church of God which exists in a subsequent
dispensation.
Come on Terrell, don't let your liberal politics of hatred influence
your walk with Christ. Just because the conservatives are catching
the liberals in their lies and exposing them does not mean that you
have to get angry at God and start blaming the church for America's
liberal politicians who have betrayed you.
Terrell, please make a list of what you consider to be liberal
political policies and compare the items on that list to what "both"
the Gospels and the Chruch Epistles teach on the subject (wouldn't
hurt to consider what the Pastoral Epistles say either). I hate to
see you going nuts over the doctrines of men which are temporal when
the doctrines of God which are eternal are so apparent and bring peace
and understanding.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Last of All
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> "Last of All" <comp...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> Matthew 25 tells us specifically that most Right-wing, Fundamentalist
>> Christians who consider themselves "saved" will spend eternity in hell:
>>
>
>
> Right wing = anti socialist, anti communist, anti despotism.
> Right wing = Pro self responsible, less government (socialism)
>
Right wing = a jack boot on the backs of the poor.
Right wing under Bush = the biggest government and deficit in history.
Right wing = the disenfranchisement of large segments of Americans - the
poor, people of color.
Right wing = the rape of the national treasury through no bid contracts to
friends
Right wing = lying to COngress and the American people to invade another
country
Right wing = 30,000 investigations by the secret police into the reading
habits of ordinary Americans
Right wing = secret police, secret courts, secret warrants, secret searches,
secret imprisonment without recourse to an attorney, secret tribunals and
secret courts
> Fundamentalist Christians = one who believes in the fundamentals of
> Christianity.
>
Fundamentalism: An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in
the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to
Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of
Scripture.
In other words, a heretic movement in Christianity that pays lip service to
Christ while worshipping the Bible (mostly Paul's writings while ignoring
James and the Words of Christ) that represents a great falling away from
Christian principles.
--
Terrell
http://www.lastofall.com
icono
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>> "Last of All" <comp...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Matthew 25 tells us specifically that most Right-wing, Fundamentalist
>>> Christians who consider themselves "saved" will spend eternity in hell:
>>>
>>
>>
>> Right wing = anti socialist, anti communist, anti despotism.
>> Right wing = Pro self responsible, less government (socialism)
>>
>
> Right wing = a jack boot on the backs of the poor.
The Democrats
> Right wing under Bush = the biggest government and deficit in history.
The Democrats
> Right wing = the disenfranchisement of large segments of Americans - the
> poor, people of color.
The preaching of Democrats in order to maintain a base.
> Right wing = the rape of the national treasury through no bid contracts to
> friends
You have never worked for a living OR gone through a bid to the federal
government. Your ignorance is stupendous.
> Right wing = lying to COngress and the American people to invade another
> country
So Democrats and Republicans are liars. Probably
> Right wing = 30,000 investigations by the secret police into the reading
> habits of ordinary Americans
That is left wing, idiot.
Liberal = Socialist = Nazi
> Right wing = secret police, secret courts, secret warrants, secret
> searches, secret imprisonment without recourse to an attorney, secret
> tribunals and secret courts
You think you have a right to know? If a man killed your mother or son or
daughter and you caught an accomplice, you would put him up in the Ritz
Cartlon and suggest poliely that he tell you who the other one was. The
other one had sworn to kill other members of YOUR family.
>
>> Fundamentalist Christians = one who believes in the fundamentals of
>> Christianity.
>>
>
> Fundamentalism: An organized, militant Evangelical movement originating in
> the United States in the late 19th and early 20th century in opposition to
> Protestant Liberalism and secularism, insisting on the inerrancy of
> Scripture.
Fundamentalist Christians = one who believes in the fundamentals of
Christianity.
>
> In other words, a heretic movement in Christianity that pays lip service
> to Christ while worshipping the Bible (mostly Paul's writings while
> ignoring James and the Words of Christ) that represents a great falling
> away from Christian principles.
James and Paul agree, completely, if one is not blinded by bigotry
Thank you for illustrating EXACTLY what I said, your total bigotry and HATE
which has twisted your reality of English.
The ONLY reason you post is because of your inherent HATE.
Bible Bob
<john.d...@x-files.gov> wrote:
How many times are you going to post this crap? At least have the
decency to correct the wrong parts before you post it again.
>father's houseã
>
>[28] for I have five brothersãin order that he may warn them, so that
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Bible Bob
Terrell,
Wow!
You got blasted by the Icono Blaster.
Normally, I do not agree with Icono and I really do not want to this
time but he does speak accurately from time to time and this is one of
those times. I do not agree with his tone but you do seem to be a
slave to liberalism and the devilish political thought it spawns.
I know that you did not come by your beliefs overnight and that you
developed them over many years. But, Terrell, experience is no
gaurantee for truth; neither is sincerity; or feelings. Jesus Christ
said, "Thy word is truth." Though we do disagree about much I do
believe that we have much in common. I also know that you and I both
know how the Tempter works and that can complicate things.
I would ask only that you make "yourself" a list of what you think are
liberal policies and compare them to the word of truth to see if they
are in harmony with God's will.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Last of All
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I ignored his response because there was nothing truthful in it.
This passage describes Fundamentalism to a "t:"
Mat 23:23-24 LITV Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay
tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left aside the weightier
matters of the Law: judgment, and mercy, and faith. It was right to do
these, and not to have left those aside. (24) Blind guides, straining out
the gnat, but swallowing the camel!
--
Terrell
http://www.lastofall.com
Bible Bob
wrote:
No, Terrell. It describes liberalism.
Liberals are hyocrites. They are the ones that are the pretenders;
the actors and actresses that pretend to be what they are not. For
example, liberals use black people for their own political gain. For
example, they talk about poor people, ride around in limo's eating
fish eggs and drinking champaign while giving the middle finger to
those who they see through their tinted windows.
They are drug dealers, drug addicts, thieves, criminals of all sorts
and kinds and our jails are full of them. They are Robin Hoods who
play the role of good guy while stuffing their pockets with other
people's stuff.
.....
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
rogue
Bible Bob wrote:
> > Last of All
> >This passage describes Fundamentalism to a "t:"
> >
> >Mat 23:23-24 LITV Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay
> >tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left aside the weightier
> >matters of the Law: judgment, and mercy, and faith. It was right to do
> >these, and not to have left those aside. (24) Blind guides, straining out
> >the gnat, but swallowing the camel!
> BB
> No, Terrell. It describes liberalism.
>
> Liberals are hyocrites.
JERRY
You mean like Bush sending his staff to attend ethics briefings when
the people who really need to attend them are Bush and his immediate
cabal? People like Karl Rove, who found nothing wrong with outing an
undercover CIA agent to the media in retaliation for her husband
pointing out that Bush lied in his State of the Union Address?
> BB
> They are the ones that are the pretenders; the actors and actresses that pretend to be what they are not.
JERRY
What are they pretending to be, Americans who don't have a freedom of
speech right? Why is it that conservatives love the free speech of the
non-Americans like Governator Schwarzeneggar but think that Warren
Beatty doesn't have the same right? It appears that the ones who have
a real problem with free speech are the conservatives, since they don't
want anyone but themselves to have it.
> BB
> For example, liberals use black people for their own political gain.
JERRY
BB, black people for the most part ARE liberals, you dingbat. They
certainly are mostly Democrats and voted against the Shrub.
> BB
> For example, they talk about poor people, ride around in limo's eating
> fish eggs and drinking champaign while giving the middle finger to
> those who they see through their tinted windows.
JERRY
You mean like Bush, riding in his campaign bus and giving the finger to
those who dared to protest his policies? Bush, and his cronies in
Homeland Security and FEMA who do nothing while people drown in New
Orleans?
> BB
> They are drug dealers, drug addicts, thieves, criminals of all sorts
> and kinds and our jails are full of them.
JERRY
You mean like Rush Limbaugh?
> BB
> They are Robin Hoods who
> play the role of good guy while stuffing their pockets with other
> people's stuff.
JERRY
Ah, again the Bush Administration and Halliburton. The ones who are
right now trying to restructure the tax laws to remove the mortgage
deduction that is the one real tax break that the middle class gets.
Bush has already cut taxes for the rich and when he needs money, what
does he do? He sticks it to the working poor and middle class.
Yep, he's quite the liberal, BB.
icono
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EXACTLY as the Pharisees did.
Uncle Davey
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Good post.
Uncle Davey
Jim Ledford
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Matthew 25 tells us specifically that most Right-wing, Fundamentalist
> > >>>> Christians who consider themselves "saved" will spend eternity in hell:
a person attempts to say a truth and then leaves out
the most important part of the truth.
from here the conversation quickly fell into matters
of worldly men and their pride in their government.
btw - I did find that to be the usual sad state of worldly man.
so I'll just delete all that bickering and move back to the truth.
[....]
lets us look at a few things Jesus did say:
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say
unto you, I know you not.
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
people get two things confused, worshiping God and
serving God.
worshiping God is to spend time with God by prayer,
meditation on His Holy and Righteous Word, reading
His Word BIBLE or to just include God in all that we
do, much like saying come on God lets us go and fix
your tractor so we can plant together. in other words,
it is spending time with God by inviting The Lord God
Almighty into each moment of this physical phase of the
life, He, The Lord God Almighty gave to each of us.
serving God is to believe God and this is to believe
God by faith and on faith alone. therefore serving
The Lord God Almighty is not an action or a deed or
a work. serving The Lord God Almighty is a thought,
a state of mind. the conscious mental events and
capabilities in an organ known as our brain where we
always include God in all that we are involved with.
this confusion between worshiping God and serving God
will indeed lead and or leave many a person who thought
they were living the Christian life in the here and now
to find themselves standing in the day of judgement.
they'll be shocked and cry out with a loud voice to
proclaim:
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have
cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
for to believe God is to know:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will
of my Father which is in heaven.
for to believe God is to know His Holy Word is the
Righteous Truth.
one day our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ stopped
off at His dear friend's house:
Luk 10:38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that
he entered into a certain village: and a certain
woman named Martha received him into her house.
Luk 10:39 And she had a sister called Mary, which
also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.
Luk 10:40 But Martha was encumbered about much
serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost
thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve
alone? bid her therefore that she help me.
Luk 10:41 And Jesus answered and said unto her,
Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about
many things:
Luk 10:42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath
chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away
from her.
let me put this in modern day terms so as to allow you
the reader a better visual. we got Martha back in the
kitchen and everything is going wrong. new can opener
won't work, micro-wave ain't defrosting and there's a
lid stuck on one pot while another pot is boiling over.
she can't get the lid off a jar of tomato sauce can't
find enough matching flatware and just dropped and broke
one of the four matching plates.
man, has Martha got stress or what?
meanwhile Mary ain't got a care in this world.
Mary has chosen to believe Jesus and therefore
has placed herself at His feet so as to be able
to hear and see each of His Words.
one woman is worshiping while the other woman is
confused and her confusion has her attempting to
serve by the act of performing a deed.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith;
and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.