My review of Jason Gastrichs Skeptic bible
Bible John
3/5
Jason Gastrich writes some very good sound words in this book yet
foolishly takes scripture out of context in other areas not only in this
book but also in his life. I am not a fan of all his ministry methods,
nor am I a fan of his messed up Tongues theology. Jason will separate
himself it so seems from those that disagree with him, which is
unbiblical. I do admire Jason¹s ability to stand for the truth and
write this book, but surely Jason's scholarship needs more work. Jason
boasts that he is a Dr. yet bought his degree from a diploma mill!
I believe Jason has the heart for an Atheist outreach ministry, but
needs to improve his head (knowledge, intellect) and hands (experience).
This is in no way a bash against Jason nor this book, but just a
suggestion. Jason should be comforted to know that many of those that
hate him and say all kinds of nasty things about him on Usenet hate me
also. But unlike Jason, I do not have an apologetics Atheist ministry,
as my ministry is targeted at the cults. The cults do not seem to hate
me as much, probably because my doctrine is very sound, and I have
silenced many of my opponents on Usenet (a discussion area where Jason
sometimes debates with atheists).
I suggest that Jason follow my suit and leave his Atheist ministry and
start a counter cult apologetics ministry as I could use the help on
Usenet, and clearly the NT makes a bigger fuss out of false teachers
(outside the church) and wolves in sheep¹s clothing (inside the church).
I admire his heart, but Jason needs to learn that his efforts are not
doing God nor himself any good. But as I said before I thank him for
the example of an authentic heart.
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Just Mark
Please tell me that you didn't actually put that on Amazon.
It's just sad.
JM
rogue
Bible Bob
<neverassu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Bible John wrote:
>> Amazon.com
>> 3/5
>>
>> Jason Gastrich writes some very good sound words in this book yet
>> foolishly takes scripture out of context in other areas not only in this
>> book but also in his life. I am not a fan of all his ministry methods,
>> nor am I a fan of his messed up Tongues theology. Jason will separate
>> himself it so seems from those that disagree with him, which is
>> unbiblical. I do admire Jasonšs ability to stand for the truth and
>> write this book, but surely Jason's scholarship needs more work. Jason
>> boasts that he is a Dr. yet bought his degree from a diploma mill!
>>
>> I believe Jason has the heart for an Atheist outreach ministry, but
>> needs to improve his head (knowledge, intellect) and hands (experience).
>>
>> This is in no way a bash against Jason nor this book, but just a
>> suggestion. Jason should be comforted to know that many of those that
>> hate him and say all kinds of nasty things about him on Usenet hate me
>> also. But unlike Jason, I do not have an apologetics Atheist ministry,
>> as my ministry is targeted at the cults. The cults do not seem to hate
>> me as much, probably because my doctrine is very sound, and I have
>> silenced many of my opponents on Usenet (a discussion area where Jason
>> sometimes debates with atheists).
>>
>> I suggest that Jason follow my suit and leave his Atheist ministry and
>> start a counter cult apologetics ministry as I could use the help on
>> Usenet, and clearly the NT makes a bigger fuss out of false teachers
>> (outside the church) and wolves in sheepšs clothing (inside the church).
>> I admire his heart, but Jason needs to learn that his efforts are not
>> doing God nor himself any good. But as I said before I thank him for
>> the example of an authentic heart.
>>
>
>Please tell me that you didn't actually put that on Amazon.
>
>It's just sad.
>
>JM
JM,
I checked Amazon and did not find John Wolfe's commentary. Evidently,
John did not submit it, did not submit it correctly, or Amazon did not
accept his input even though they did accept both positive and
negative input from 27 people including our friend David Sienkiewicz.
John is hardly qualified to challenge or teach Jason. Jason can run
rings around John when it comes to the Bible and religion. Like most
of John's posts, this is another self promotion at the expense of
someone else.
John if you are reading this wasn't that you on the Hank Hannagraaff
show the other day?
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
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BB
Bible Bob
>Yep, he sure did.
Jerry,
I looked through the 27 posts and did not see it. I look several
times. Was it posted and the removed?
Bible John
Bible Bob <biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> I looked through the 27 posts and did not see it. I look several
> times. Was it posted and the removed?
Its there
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Bible Bob <biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
> JM,
>
> I checked Amazon and did not find John Wolfe's commentary. Evidently,
> John did not submit it, did not submit it correctly, or Amazon did not
> accept his input even though they did accept both positive and
> negative input from 27 people including our friend David Sienkiewicz.
>
> John is hardly qualified to challenge or teach Jason. Jason can run
> rings around John when it comes to the Bible and religion. Like most
> of John's posts, this is another self promotion at the expense of
> someone else.
I am in some areas and he can teach me in others. Just like you can
teach me how to become an unsaved unbeliever headed for hell. I dont
want to learn this though, and rather you learn the truth and be on your
way to heavem.
>
> John if you are reading this wasn't that you on the Hank Hannagraaff
> show the other day?
So you listen to the BAM heh? Yes it was me. I hope you can learn
something from him.
>
>
>
> Non-commercial website where everything is free.
> http://www.biblebob.net
>
>
> BB
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Just Mark
Bible John wrote:
> In article <61tqe19bo7bq9hf7g...@4ax.com>,
> Bible Bob <biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
>
> > JM,
> >
> > I checked Amazon and did not find John Wolfe's commentary. Evidently,
> > John did not submit it, did not submit it correctly, or Amazon did not
> > accept his input even though they did accept both positive and
> > negative input from 27 people including our friend David Sienkiewicz.
> >
> > John is hardly qualified to challenge or teach Jason. Jason can run
> > rings around John when it comes to the Bible and religion. Like most
> > of John's posts, this is another self promotion at the expense of
> > someone else.
Which is sad, considering how inept Jason is. I once read an apt
description of his skill: "The Clouseau of Apologetics". Apt...and
very funny.
>
> I am in some areas and he can teach me in others. Just like you can
> teach me how to become an unsaved unbeliever headed for hell. I dont
> want to learn this though, and rather you learn the truth and be on your
> way to heavem.
Wow.
If assholes go to heaven, John, then you'll be at the front of the
line.
I've watched as Bob has been patient and gentle with you, but you can't
accept what he has to say in the spirit he intends it. Everything's an
attack, as far as you're concerned. Nobody better challenge John
Wolf...he's got a bachelor of religious gobbledygook from Whatsamatta
U. The change in your demeanor at the end of the spring semester (once
you knew your little ol' degree was assured) was dramatic...and silly.
Education should humble us, not inflate our egos. And Bob has offered
you an education that money can't buy, and because it bruises your ego,
you refuse it and relegate him to hell (whatever that is).
I disagree with Bob....atheist, you know. But I respect him. He's one
of two Christians I've dialogued with on Usenet who weren't jerks, and
who actually knew their bibles. If I thought he'd accept, I'd buy the
man a Guinness and let him try to convert me.
You, on the other hand, are one of those people who give christianity a
black eye. You're a good reason NOT to believe. Why would anybody
want to be like Jesus if that meant being like you? Beats me....
>
>
> >
> > John if you are reading this wasn't that you on the Hank Hannagraaff
> > show the other day?
>
> So you listen to the BAM heh? Yes it was me. I hope you can learn
> something from him.
More arrogance...
JM
Uncle Davey
Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebo...@biblebob.net> napisal w wiadomosci
news:61tqe19bo7bq9hf7g...@4ax.com...
> On 31 Jul 2005 16:33:32 -0700, "Just Mark"
> <neverassu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Bible John wrote:
> >> Amazon.com
> >> 3/5
> >>
> >> Jason Gastrich writes some very good sound words in this book yet
> >> foolishly takes scripture out of context in other areas not only in
this
> >> book but also in his life. I am not a fan of all his ministry methods,
> >> nor am I a fan of his messed up Tongues theology. Jason will separate
> >> himself it so seems from those that disagree with him, which is
> >> write this book, but surely Jason's scholarship needs more work. Jason
> >> boasts that he is a Dr. yet bought his degree from a diploma mill!
> >>
> >> I believe Jason has the heart for an Atheist outreach ministry, but
> >> needs to improve his head (knowledge, intellect) and hands
(experience).
> >>
> >> This is in no way a bash against Jason nor this book, but just a
> >> suggestion. Jason should be comforted to know that many of those that
> >> hate him and say all kinds of nasty things about him on Usenet hate me
> >> also. But unlike Jason, I do not have an apologetics Atheist ministry,
> >> as my ministry is targeted at the cults. The cults do not seem to hate
> >> me as much, probably because my doctrine is very sound, and I have
> >> silenced many of my opponents on Usenet (a discussion area where Jason
> >> sometimes debates with atheists).
> >>
> >> I suggest that Jason follow my suit and leave his Atheist ministry and
> >> start a counter cult apologetics ministry as I could use the help on
> >> Usenet, and clearly the NT makes a bigger fuss out of false teachers
church).
> >> I admire his heart, but Jason needs to learn that his efforts are not
> >> doing God nor himself any good. But as I said before I thank him for
> >> the example of an authentic heart.
> >>
> >
> >Please tell me that you didn't actually put that on Amazon.
> >
> >It's just sad.
> >
> >JM
>
> JM,
>
> I checked Amazon and did not find John Wolfe's commentary. Evidently,
> John did not submit it, did not submit it correctly, or Amazon did not
> accept his input even though they did accept both positive and
> negative input from 27 people including our friend David Sienkiewicz.
>
> John is hardly qualified to challenge or teach Jason. Jason can run
> rings around John when it comes to the Bible and religion. Like most
> of John's posts, this is another self promotion at the expense of
> someone else.
I don't like to side with a unitarian christadelphian-similar person against
a Trinitarian, but I have to admit that you got that right.
Uncle Davey
rogue
Go to Amazon.com and do a search on "jason gastrich" and you will get
three things, all on CD. I think the second or third one is the one
where BJ has written his review. Also, he gets "endorsements" from
others who hold fake degrees such as himself, and as I remember there
were a few cases where some of the reviews of Jason's book were
considered to be Jason writing using sock puppets. Probably the only
way he could get a good review on that piece of crap.
rogue
Just Mark wrote:
> Bible John wrote:
> > In article <61tqe19bo7bq9hf7g...@4ax.com>,
> > Bible Bob <biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
> >
> > > JM,
> > >
> > > I checked Amazon and did not find John Wolfe's commentary. Evidently,
> > > John did not submit it, did not submit it correctly, or Amazon did not
> > > accept his input even though they did accept both positive and
> > > negative input from 27 people including our friend David Sienkiewicz.
> > >
> > > John is hardly qualified to challenge or teach Jason. Jason can run
> > > rings around John when it comes to the Bible and religion. Like most
> > > of John's posts, this is another self promotion at the expense of
> > > someone else.
>
> Which is sad, considering how inept Jason is. I once read an apt
> description of his skill: "The Clouseau of Apologetics". Apt...and
> very funny.
>
Yep, and just think: John is even dumber than Jason, and easily as
dishonest.
Bible John
wrote:
> I don't like to side with a unitarian christadelphian-similar person against
> a Trinitarian, but I have to admit that you got that right.
>
> Uncle Davey
On what basis do you make this claim? Certainly Jason can teach me many
things, just as I can teach him many things.
You Davey are supposed to be an example, yet you are a weak impotent
christian. You dont stand for the truth and are not persecuted like
myself, Weatherly and Jason.
You are just like the world.
John
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Bible John
"rogue" <rogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> JERRY
> Yep, and just think: John is even dumber than Jason, and easily as
> dishonest.
On what basis are you saying these things? I can teach Jason many
things and he can teach me many things.
Why do you attack me?
John
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Bible Bob
<john.d...@x-files.gov> wrote:
>In article <61tqe19bo7bq9hf7g...@4ax.com>,
> Bible Bob <biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
>
>> JM,
>>
>> I checked Amazon and did not find John Wolfe's commentary. Evidently,
>> John did not submit it, did not submit it correctly, or Amazon did not
>> accept his input even though they did accept both positive and
>> negative input from 27 people including our friend David Sienkiewicz.
>>
>> John is hardly qualified to challenge or teach Jason. Jason can run
>> rings around John when it comes to the Bible and religion. Like most
>> of John's posts, this is another self promotion at the expense of
>> someone else.
>
>I am in some areas and he can teach me in others. Just like you can
>teach me how to become an unsaved unbeliever headed for hell. I dont
>want to learn this though, and rather you learn the truth and be on your
>way to heavem.
Well, John, here is one thing I can teach you. You don't go to heaven
when you die. No one does. The future dwelling place for Christians
is on the earth. People are dead until Christ returns for the church;
or until the resurrection depending on whether they are members of the
body of Christ. Hell is the grave, John. Hell is not a lake of fire
John. Hell and death are cast into the lake of fire John. Maybe you
should learn to listen to someone who knows a little sumpin sumpin so
you won't be be left with nuttin nuttin.
Tell me the areas that you can teach Jason in John. Please don't try
to tell me that you can teach Jason doctrines of the Bible. You are
an expert at hate mongering. Jason, who in my opinion, went about
trying to win people to Christ the wrong way did it for the most part,
in my opinion, for the right reason. You worship John Wolfe. Jason
worships God. And so do I. I serve the real God. You serve
yourself. Your little conversation with Hank pretty much proved you
are concerned about what John wants.
>
>
>>
>> John if you are reading this wasn't that you on the Hank Hannagraaff
>> show the other day?
>
>So you listen to the BAM heh? Yes it was me. I hope you can learn
>something from him.
>
No. I don't listen to him. He is here in Charlotte now. I do not
usually listen to preachers or radio personalities or anyone that is
paid to represent God. There are a few exceptions, but I do not name
drop. And there are some that are not paid that I would like to see
be paid so that they could spend more time in the work of the
ministry. I am not against people being paid; just against those who
sell out to money or who are ensalved to their income to the degree
that they compromise truth.
Bible Bob
wrote:
>
>Uzytkownik "Bible Bob" <biblebo...@biblebob.net> napisal w wiadomosci
>news:61tqe19bo7bq9hf7g...@4ax.com...
>> On 31 Jul 2005 16:33:32 -0700, "Just Mark"
>> <neverassu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Bible John wrote:
>> >> Amazon.com
>> >> 3/5
>> >>
>> >> Jason Gastrich writes some very good sound words in this book yet
>> >> foolishly takes scripture out of context in other areas not only in
>this
>> >> book but also in his life. I am not a fan of all his ministry methods,
>> >> nor am I a fan of his messed up Tongues theology. Jason will separate
>> >> himself it so seems from those that disagree with him, which is
>> >> unbiblical. I do admire Jasonšs ability to stand for the truth and
>> >> write this book, but surely Jason's scholarship needs more work. Jason
>> >> boasts that he is a Dr. yet bought his degree from a diploma mill!
>> >>
>> >> I believe Jason has the heart for an Atheist outreach ministry, but
>> >> needs to improve his head (knowledge, intellect) and hands
>(experience).
>> >>
>> >> This is in no way a bash against Jason nor this book, but just a
>> >> suggestion. Jason should be comforted to know that many of those that
>> >> hate him and say all kinds of nasty things about him on Usenet hate me
>> >> also. But unlike Jason, I do not have an apologetics Atheist ministry,
>> >> as my ministry is targeted at the cults. The cults do not seem to hate
>> >> me as much, probably because my doctrine is very sound, and I have
>> >> silenced many of my opponents on Usenet (a discussion area where Jason
>> >> sometimes debates with atheists).
>> >>
>> >> I suggest that Jason follow my suit and leave his Atheist ministry and
>> >> start a counter cult apologetics ministry as I could use the help on
>> >> Usenet, and clearly the NT makes a bigger fuss out of false teachers
>> >> (outside the church) and wolves in sheepšs clothing (inside the
>church).
>> >> I admire his heart, but Jason needs to learn that his efforts are not
>> >> doing God nor himself any good. But as I said before I thank him for
>> >> the example of an authentic heart.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Please tell me that you didn't actually put that on Amazon.
>> >
>> >It's just sad.
>> >
>> >JM
>>
>> JM,
>>
>> I checked Amazon and did not find John Wolfe's commentary. Evidently,
>> John did not submit it, did not submit it correctly, or Amazon did not
>> accept his input even though they did accept both positive and
>> negative input from 27 people including our friend David Sienkiewicz.
>>
>> John is hardly qualified to challenge or teach Jason. Jason can run
>> rings around John when it comes to the Bible and religion. Like most
>> of John's posts, this is another self promotion at the expense of
>> someone else.
>
>I don't like to side with a unitarian christadelphian-similar person against
>a Trinitarian, but I have to admit that you got that right.
>
>Uncle Davey
>
>
Davey,
Almost thou persuadest me to be a unitarian.
Bible Bob
<neverassu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Guinness! One of my running buddies in Germany was a guy from Swords
Ireland and he used to try to get me to drink that stuff - I cast the
spirits out of him I did. Drink Guinness when Hofbrau or Becks was
available. I'm a Christian and that stuff tastes of the devil.
>You, on the other hand, are one of those people who give christianity a
>black eye. You're a good reason NOT to believe. Why would anybody
>want to be like Jesus if that meant being like you? Beats me....
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > John if you are reading this wasn't that you on the Hank Hannagraaff
>> > show the other day?
>>
>> So you listen to the BAM heh? Yes it was me. I hope you can learn
>> something from him.
>
>More arrogance...
>
>JM
Bible Bob
<john.d...@x-files.gov> wrote:
>In article <dcm4bt$dav$0...@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com>
>wrote:
>
>> I don't like to side with a unitarian christadelphian-similar person against
>> a Trinitarian, but I have to admit that you got that right.
>>
>> Uncle Davey
>
>On what basis do you make this claim? Certainly Jason can teach me many
>things, just as I can teach him many things.
>
>You Davey are supposed to be an example, yet you are a weak impotent
>christian. You dont stand for the truth and are not persecuted like
>myself, Weatherly and Jason.
>
>You are just like the world.
>
>
>John
John,
Go suck a lemon you sour puss.
Davey's not impotent, but important. You are not important, but
impotent.
Your hatemongering meglomaniacal ways are what makes you impotent.
Just to make sure I used my words correctly I looked up the definition
and I was right to a T.
meglomaniacal
1 : a mania for great or grandiose performance
2 : a delusional mental disorder that is marked by infantile feelings
of personal omnipotence and grandeur
Bible Bob
Jerry,
I did download the sample of his Skeptics Book that is available on
Download com. He makes his comments about Ruth and Jude available in
it. As you know Jason and I do not see eye to eye on much. I did
look at the Jude comments and think he could have put a little more
power and detail into his comments; but then I was not the one
producing commentary to several thousand allegations.
With regard to John's comments. John isn't qualified to grade Jason.
Jason knows how to think and read correctly when he wants to. John
thinks what he is told to think. Besides, John wasn't grading Jason;
he was promoting himself as is his nature.
rogue
JERRY
But I have debated Jason, and seen what he laughingly refers to as
heuristic apologetics first hand. He's a joke, and as soon as you
rebut his claims with hard evidence, he doesn't relook his conclusions,
he simply grasps the next convenient rationalization and throws that
out, like tossing spaghetti on the wall to see what will stick.
Jason is a joke as a writer, as an apologist and pretty much as a human
being, as far as I can tell.
rogue
Bible John wrote:
> In article <1122934922....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "rogue" <rogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > JERRY
> > Yep, and just think: John is even dumber than Jason, and easily as
> > dishonest.
>
> On what basis are you saying these things? I can teach Jason many
> things and he can teach me many things.
>
>
> Why do you attack me?
>
Based on history. When you first began posting in free.christians, you
adored Jason, you hung on his every word to the point that many people,
myself included, believed you to be a sock puppet he was using to try
to promote himself. When others within this forum offered you evidence
of his lies, his self-promotion and his hypocrisy, you paid no
attention whatsoever.
Those were the actions of someone who isn't awfully bright, John.
You even adopted his public hypocrisy of public prayer for those with
whom you disagreed. Since it has never shown any dividends in God
granting your prayers, I can only conclude that you do it for the same
reasons Jason did: to try to make yourself look good publicly and to
try to tweak the noses of those with whom you disagree. Neither one of
those is a Christian action.
When challenging others to debate, you behave like a middle school
child who thinks he's found the best new thing and then when presented
with an argument that you are unprepared for (as I did when I offered
to debate you on the veracity of the bible) you back out, run away and
then offer rationalizations for your retreat.
You seem immature and unlearned at best, and your actions ape those of
Gastrich too much for it to be those of someone who really wants to be
a good christian, but more like someone who wants to call as much
attention to himself as a good christian as he possibly can.
rogue
Hofbrau house in Munich, where Hitler began his Putsch. Wonderful
place. The German band eventually swung into Glenn Miller's "In the
Mood" and everyone started dancing on the tables.
I loved that place.
- - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net Don
<biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
>Jason knows how to think and read correctly when he wants to.
It's a shame Jason did not do that when writing that pitiful CD that
Jason is marketing as a rebuttal to the SABible. I have had
high-school kids who were better at defending the faith than Jason's
weak writing.
"So many pretenders are walking around the corridors of our culture these days
that genuine, sincere people wind up creating quite a stir just by being themselves..
People who are investigating Christianity don't expect perfection from Christians.
They are too smart for that. What they do hope to find is someone with the courage
to confess their blunders and make things right."
----Bill Hybels
- - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net Don
>Jason is a joke as a writer, as an apologist and pretty much as a human
>being, as far as I can tell.
Ask him about his gay days, trolling for gay bars and indicting
someone else by falsely signing their name to his gay trolling.
Not only are his degrees phony and his writing like an elementary
school boy, his self-righteous claims and defrauding actions on others
give Christ a bad name.
- - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net Don
<biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
> I'm a Christian and that stuff tastes of the devil.
"Devout religionists are frequently attracted to and
bound to their piety largely because it presumably offers them
holier-than-thouness and oneupmanship over non-religionists."
--Dr. Albert Ellis
"If you understand it, it is not God."
--from Saint Augustine¹s, Sermon 117.
Just Mark
> Guinness! One of my running buddies in Germany was a guy from Swords
> Ireland and he used to try to get me to drink that stuff - I cast the
> spirits out of him I did. Drink Guinness when Hofbrau or Becks was
> available. I'm a Christian and that stuff tastes of the devil.
>
You don't just drink it down, silly. You need an Angus burger and
fried potatoes to go along with it.
Too funny -- "tastes of the the devil".
Which makes me wonder what part of the devil you've tasted. :-O
Okay then...the bevvie of your choice, if ever we meet.
But I'm havin' a Guinness.
Uncle Davey
Subtil.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Bible John" <john.d...@x-files.gov> napisał w wiadomości
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> In article <dcm4bt$dav$0...@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't like to side with a unitarian christadelphian-similar person
against
> > a Trinitarian, but I have to admit that you got that right.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> On what basis do you make this claim? Certainly Jason can teach me many
> things, just as I can teach him many things.
>
> You Davey are supposed to be an example, yet you are a weak impotent
> christian. You dont stand for the truth and are not persecuted like
> myself, Weatherly and Jason.
>
> You are just like the world.
>
>
> John
Your public attacks on Jason in front of the world, showing division in the
Body, and your trying to call down persecution on the Body by setting up a
discussion group vilifying all of us, under an assumed name, in order to
provoke persecution, show that you don't actually know what persecution is.
When you have been interrogated and kept under 24 hour guard in the Soviet
Union for you faith, as I have, when you have learn the language of a
country where christians are poisoned with nerve poisons to "cure" their
faith in psychological hospitals, and go there and meet and support them and
then go around with them and help them lobby in the west for political
freedom for Christians as I have (see my audiopage, you'll see something
that documents this claim) then you might start to realise that persecution
is not a joke to play around with.
When you've taken a syringeful of mononucleosis, smuggled Bibles across
closed borders, taken vitamins and medicines to Kosovo, or even been spat on
and ridiculed or beaten in the street for open air preaching, had the police
called out on you for door to door work or had people threaten you or been
removed from a country under armed guard all for you faith, had lies told
about you on TV and in the newspaper, been accused of being a spy, all for
your faith, then get back to me.
As it is, don't you dare call me worldly or impotent. It is not given to
you.
God will sort you out for that, be sure of it, and for your backbiting on
Jason also. If I am impotent, then He is potent. All my potency rests in
Him, so beware.
Uncle Davey
Carta Philus
> On 1 Aug 2005 20:50:32 -0700, "rogue" <rogu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Jason is a joke as a writer, as an apologist and pretty much as a human
>>being, as far as I can tell.
>
>
> Ask him about his gay days, trolling for gay bars and indicting
> someone else by falsely signing their name to his gay trolling.
>
> Not only are his degrees phony and his writing like an elementary
> school boy, his self-righteous claims and defrauding actions on others
> give Christ a bad name.
>
So this isn't really in the interest of public edification,
then....emphasis on defamation....
Dave
Snip
> God will sort you out for that, be sure of it, and for your
> backbiting on Jason also. If I am impotent, then He is potent.
> All my potency rests in Him, so beware.
All the phony "Christian" can ever do is threaten: God'll get'cha
because you don't believe as I do, or you insulted me, or you
criticized me...
Poke, whirl...it's so easy, these "Christians" expose even
themselves...
Dave
Gastrich has a couple of "degrees" that are rightfully considered
"phony," and he did write a "gay urges" email that he attributed to
someone else. His writing *is* bad and he has acted to defraud
others--or network traffic, if nothing else. So what's defamatory?
Bible John
wrote:
> Your public attacks on Jason in front of the world, showing division in the
> Body, and your trying to call down persecution on the Body by setting up a
> discussion group vilifying all of us, under an assumed name, in order to
> provoke persecution, show that you don't actually know what persecution is.
What fierce attacks against Jason?
attack
noun
an agressive and violent action against a person or place
an instance of fierce public criticism or opposition : he launched a
stinging attack on the White House.
an aggressive attempt to score a goal, win points, or gain or exploit
an advantage in a game.
" I am not a fan of all his ministry methods,
nor am I a fan of his messed up Tongues theology"
You are right. I should not have used the word "messed up." That does
sound like an attack.
"The cults do not seem to hate
me as much, probably because my doctrine is very sound, and I have
silenced many of my opponents on Usenet (a discussion area where Jason
sometimes debates with atheists)."
Hmm yes maybe this also sounds like an attack.
I will work on these words when I edit the review
However I did grade him a 3/5 which is a C grade, and did say many good
things about him as well.
" But as I said before I thank him for
the example of an authentic heart."
" I do admire Jasons ability to stand for the truth and
write this book"
> When you have been interrogated and kept under 24 hour guard in the Soviet
> Union for you faith, as I have, when you have learn the language of a
> country where christians are poisoned with nerve poisons to "cure" their
> faith in psychological hospitals, and go there and meet and support them and
> then go around with them and help them lobby in the west for political
> freedom for Christians as I have (see my audiopage, you'll see something
> that documents this claim) then you might start to realise that persecution
> is not a joke to play around with.
I do not have this experience and apologize if I did play around with
it. I was responding in ignorance.
>
> When you've taken a syringeful of mononucleosis, smuggled Bibles across
> closed borders, taken vitamins and medicines to Kosovo, or even been spat on
> and ridiculed or beaten in the street for open air preaching, had the police
> called out on you for door to door work or had people threaten you or been
> removed from a country under armed guard all for you faith, had lies told
> about you on TV and in the newspaper, been accused of being a spy, all for
> your faith, then get back to me.
>
> As it is, don't you dare call me worldly or impotent. It is not given to
> you.
Well in my opinion sir, you do not stand for the truth here on these
boards as well as you can. But then again perhaps my standards are too
high.
>
> God will sort you out for that, be sure of it, and for your backbiting on
> Jason also.
A threat heh? What does the bible say about this?
If I am impotent, then He is potent. All my potency rests in
> Him, so beware.
Another threat
>
> Uncle Davey
Look I got on the wrong foot with you. lets clean it. I am sorry.
John
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in for those that
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Bible Bob
<john.d...@x-files.gov> wrote:
>In article <dcol3b$3k5$0...@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Your public attacks on Jason in front of the world, showing division in the
>> Body, and your trying to call down persecution on the Body by setting up a
>> discussion group vilifying all of us, under an assumed name, in order to
>> provoke persecution, show that you don't actually know what persecution is.
>
>What fierce attacks against Jason?
>
>attack
>
>noun
>an agressive and violent action against a person or place
> an instance of fierce public criticism or opposition : he launched a
>stinging attack on the White House.
> an aggressive attempt to score a goal, win points, or gain or exploit
>an advantage in a game.
>
>" I am not a fan of all his ministry methods,
>nor am I a fan of his messed up Tongues theology"
>
>You are right. I should not have used the word "messed up." That does
>sound like an attack.
>
>"The cults do not seem to hate
>me as much, probably because my doctrine is very sound, and I have
>silenced many of my opponents on Usenet (a discussion area where Jason
>sometimes debates with atheists)."
I must have missed that. That has got to be the funniest thing you
have ever said on Usenet. They don't hate you because they are not
haters. You are the hatemonger. They are not cults in the sense you
refer to organizations as cults. You are the cult follower. Proof?
You don't even relize it. Cult members think they are right and
believe that have been taught right like you do. You have no sound
doctrine. You have silenced no one as evidenced by the fact that you
are body slammed, stomped on, and pimp slapped every time you post.
Your "suffering for Jesus" doesn't fool anyone, especially God and
Jesus Christ who know what you are all about. You do please the god
of this world a lot, so at least you have one god that is proud of
you. John you are no threat to anyone; cult member, atheist,
agnostic, or anyone else because you know little and have no power.
But I am glad to see and I do want to compliment you on being honest
with Davey.
Your standards are too low as evidenced by your posts. Davey has got
more knowledge and experience in his little finger than you have in
your whole body and while he and I do not always agree he knows HOW to
teach Bible and he does KNOW some Bible. You, for the most part,
parrot what men say. He knows how to communicate the heart of God's
Word and until you are able to communicate God's heart, you will
always be ineffective.
>
>>
>> God will sort you out for that, be sure of it, and for your backbiting on
>> Jason also.
>
>A threat heh? What does the bible say about this?
>
> If I am impotent, then He is potent. All my potency rests in
>> Him, so beware.
>
>Another threat
>
>
>>
>> Uncle Davey
>
>
>
>Look I got on the wrong foot with you. lets clean it. I am sorry.
>
>
Excellent. John, it may be that is why I continue to believe in your
potential. I do see potential, otherwise I would not say so. You are
able to be honest and that is good. You are also able to admit error
and that is also good. And you are also able to seek forgiveness and
that is good. Do you know why the latter is good? Because if you can
seek forgiveness from man; you will seek it from God. Combine that
with honesty and you can play well on God's team.
>
>John
- - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net Don
When a phony fraudulently presents himself to "the church" as an
expert, the gullible will buy his act unless they discover his fraud.
Do you think it is wrong to tell someone that the snake they are
holding in their hand is poisonous???
Bible John
Bible Bob <biblebo...@biblebob.net> wrote:
> I must have missed that. That has got to be the funniest thing you
> have ever said on Usenet. They don't hate you because they are not
> haters. You are the hatemonger. They are not cults in the sense you
> refer to organizations as cults. You are the cult follower. Proof?
> You don't even relize it. Cult members think they are right and
> believe that have been taught right like you do. You have no sound
> doctrine.
Look in the mirror Bob
You have silenced no one as evidenced by the fact that you
> are body slammed, stomped on, and pimp slapped every time you post.
> Your "suffering for Jesus" doesn't fool anyone, especially God and
> Jesus Christ who know what you are all about. You do please the god
> of this world a lot, so at least you have one god that is proud of
> you. John you are no threat to anyone; cult member, atheist,
> agnostic, or anyone else because you know little and have no power.
>
Bob you are a idiot. A fool! A snake! A viper! Woe unto you Bob!
Yet you claim to be helping me. You lying snake Bob!
You, for the most part,
> parrot what men say. He knows how to communicate the heart of God's
> Word and until you are able to communicate God's heart, you will
> always be ineffective.
Like you
> >
> >>
> >> God will sort you out for that, be sure of it, and for your backbiting on
> >> Jason also.
> >
> >A threat heh? What does the bible say about this?
> >
> > If I am impotent, then He is potent. All my potency rests in
> >> Him, so beware.
> >
> >Another threat
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Uncle Davey
> >
> >
> >
> >Look I got on the wrong foot with you. lets clean it. I am sorry.
> >
> >
> Excellent. John, it may be that is why I continue to believe in your
> potential. I do see potential, otherwise I would not say so. You are
> able to be honest and that is good. You are also able to admit error
> and that is also good. And you are also able to seek forgiveness and
> that is good. Do you know why the latter is good? Because if you can
> seek forgiveness from man; you will seek it from God. Combine that
> with honesty and you can play well on God's team.
> >
> >John
Yes this is true. Thanks
John
>
>
>
>
> Non-commercial website where everything is free.
> http://www.biblebob.net
>
>
> BB
--
- - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net Don
wrote:
>
>U¿ytkownik "Bible John" <john.d...@x-files.gov> napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
>news:john.doggett-CDE5...@News-West.newsfeeds.com...
>> In article <dcm4bt$dav$0...@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I don't like to side with a unitarian christadelphian-similar person
>against
>> > a Trinitarian, but I have to admit that you got that right.
>> >
>> > Uncle Davey
>>
>> On what basis do you make this claim? Certainly Jason can teach me many
>> things, just as I can teach him many things.
>>
>> You Davey are supposed to be an example, yet you are a weak impotent
>> christian. You dont stand for the truth and are not persecuted like
>> myself, Weatherly and Jason.
>>
>> You are just like the world.
>>
>>
>> John
>
>Your public attacks on Jason in front of the world, showing division in the
>Body,
Better take down those Methodist signs and Baptist signs and Catholic
signs in front of those churches. They are showing division in the
body in front of the world.
Gregory A Greenman
Bible John <john.d...@x-files.gov> declared...> > Your public attacks on Jason in front of the world...
>
> What fierce attacks against Jason?
>
>
> " I am not a fan of all his ministry methods,
> nor am I a fan of his messed up Tongues theology"
>
> You are right. I should not have used the word "messed up." That does
> sound like an attack.
Oh go ahead. Any belief as stupid as thinking that incoherent
babbling is actually some sort of profound spiritual insight is
worthy of all the attacks and derision that people can hurl at
it.
--
Greg
----
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Uncle Davey
Uzytkownik "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1123020916.8...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
I'll leave it in the hands of God what he does to you for that remark.
I'll just pray it'll be lenient.
Uncle Davey
Dave
Right. God is gonna get me because I'm critical of *you*. Thanks for
helping prove my point.
Snip
Uncle Davey
There are enough people saying bad things without us joining in.
>
> " But as I said before I thank him for
> the example of an authentic heart."
>
> " I do admire Jasons ability to stand for the truth and
> write this book"
>
Good. And I believe his zeal is something that has been lacking in many
other Christians.
> > When you have been interrogated and kept under 24 hour guard in the
Soviet
> > Union for you faith, as I have, when you have learn the language of a
> > country where christians are poisoned with nerve poisons to "cure" their
> > faith in psychological hospitals, and go there and meet and support them
and
> > then go around with them and help them lobby in the west for political
> > freedom for Christians as I have (see my audiopage, you'll see something
> > that documents this claim) then you might start to realise that
persecution
> > is not a joke to play around with.
>
>
> I do not have this experience and apologize if I did play around with
> it. I was responding in ignorance.
OK, covered.
>
> >
> > When you've taken a syringeful of mononucleosis, smuggled Bibles across
> > closed borders, taken vitamins and medicines to Kosovo, or even been
spat on
> > and ridiculed or beaten in the street for open air preaching, had the
police
> > called out on you for door to door work or had people threaten you or
been
> > removed from a country under armed guard all for you faith, had lies
told
> > about you on TV and in the newspaper, been accused of being a spy, all
for
> > your faith, then get back to me.
> >
> > As it is, don't you dare call me worldly or impotent. It is not given to
> > you.
>
> Well in my opinion sir, you do not stand for the truth here on these
> boards as well as you can. But then again perhaps my standards are too
> high.
I will try and stand for the truth as best as I can.
I am trying to develop a website with sound articles and hymns and plenty of
gospel on it, and if you look about a bit on www.usenetposts.com you will
find the truth set out again and again.
Especially in my hymns, www.usenetposts.com/myhymns.htm which are full of
theology, and in the fragmentia articles, www.usenetposts.com/frag01.htm
which largely attack evolution and set out God's redeeming purpose for the
world.
>
>
> >
> > God will sort you out for that, be sure of it, and for your backbiting
on
> > Jason also.
>
> A threat heh? What does the bible say about this?
It says "Whom God loveth, he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he
receiveth".
>
> If I am impotent, then He is potent. All my potency rests in
> > Him, so beware.
>
> Another threat
>
>
Another fact.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
>
>
> Look I got on the wrong foot with you. lets clean it. I am sorry.
Accepted.
A lot of the time you write good stuff, but it gets me when people all pile
in on the public vilification of Brother Jason. Whatever his faults are,
they are between him and God. All I know is, he has sent out more Gospel to
more people than anyone else I personally know, which is why he gets it in
the neck, time after time.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Don" <- - - - - --- some...@worldwide.net> napisał w wiadomości
news:1o90f11d5amd5nid9...@4ax.com...> >U?ytkownik "Bible John" <john.d...@x-files.gov> napisa3 w wiadomo?ci
> >news:john.doggett-CDE5...@News-West.newsfeeds.com...
> >> In article <dcm4bt$dav$0...@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't like to side with a unitarian christadelphian-similar person
> >against
> >> > a Trinitarian, but I have to admit that you got that right.
> >> >
> >> > Uncle Davey
> >>
> >> On what basis do you make this claim? Certainly Jason can teach me
many
> >> things, just as I can teach him many things.
> >>
> >> You Davey are supposed to be an example, yet you are a weak impotent
> >> christian. You dont stand for the truth and are not persecuted like
> >> myself, Weatherly and Jason.
> >>
> >> You are just like the world.
> >>
> >>
> >> John
> >
> >Your public attacks on Jason in front of the world, showing division in
the
> >Body,
>
> Better take down those Methodist signs and Baptist signs and Catholic
> signs in front of those churches. They are showing division in the
> body in front of the world.
>
>
It's their property, and their responsibility.
The church I go to doesn't use any denominational sticker.
Uncle Davey
Bible John
wrote:
> Accepted.
>
> A lot of the time you write good stuff, but it gets me when people all pile
> in on the public vilification of Brother Jason. Whatever his faults are,
> they are between him and God. All I know is, he has sent out more Gospel to
> more people than anyone else I personally know, which is why he gets it in
> the neck, time after time.
>
> Uncle Davey
So do I
Tom McDonald
> In article <dcqq7c$e9h$0...@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Accepted.
>>
>>A lot of the time you write good stuff, but it gets me when people all pile
>>in on the public vilification of Brother Jason. Whatever his faults are,
>>they are between him and God. All I know is, he has sent out more Gospel to
>>more people than anyone else I personally know, which is why he gets it in
>>the neck, time after time.
That's not why he 'gets it in the neck.' If you actually believe
that it is his love of God that gets him in trouble, then you
don't understand the situation.
<snip>
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
Dave
Snip
> A lot of the time you write good stuff, but it gets me when
> people all pile in on the public vilification of Brother Jason.
> Whatever his faults are...
Did we ever get an answer out of you about the use of domain names? I
do believe I had you close to admitting that it was deceptive, but then
you backpedalled and tried to rehabilitate the argument into something
else. But regardless of what "faults" you will admit exist, dishonesty
and deception are clearly among them. You'll excuse those as the
"lesser of two evils," right?
> ...they are between him and God.
Cop out. He claims to be a minister and presumes to run a "ministry."
He's also run for state-wide public office. Between those and other
things, he's a public figure. His transgressions have been quite
public and those are issues between him and those against whom he's
transgressed. Assuming that there is a God that bothers with the
actions of human beings--even so much as to pay any attention to
them--he likely gave up on Gastrich long ago. Still, as long as
Gastrich has you to publicly fellate him and make excuses for him in
these groups, it's all good, right?
> All I know is, he has sent out more Gospel to more people
> than anyone else I personally know...
Anyone you "personally know" is a bit of a limiting criteria, isn't it?
As long as you feel that deceiving others is "the lesser of two evils"
as long as it might lead to others coming to Jesus, it's okay, so we
really can't trust that even this bit of personal testimony is worth
the pixels on the screen, right?
> ...which is why he gets it in the neck, time after time.
Spare us the Gastrich-stroking and trying to turn him into some sort of
martyr. Gastrich "gets it in the neck" because of the manner in which
he's conducted himself. In short, he's a liar, a loon, and an
arrogant, posturing asshole.
Dave
> In article <dcqq7c$e9h$0...@pita.alt.net>, "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Accepted.
> >
> > A lot of the time you write good stuff, but it gets me when
> > people all pile in on the public vilification of Brother Jason.
> > Whatever his faults are, they are between him and God. All I
> > know is, he has sent out more Gospel to more people than anyone
> > else I personally know, which is why he gets it in the neck,
> > time after time.
> >
> > Uncle Davey
>
> So do I
No, not really. When I think of what it means to be a Christian,
neither you nor Gastrich make the cut. You get it "in the neck"
because of your actions and for no other reason.
lizzard woman
"Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
(snip)
| In short, he's a liar, a loon, and an arrogant, posturing asshole.
Hey that's pretty euphonious. Rolls off the tongue.
The only one that is possibly better is Gastrich is "The Clouseau of
Apologetics." I wish I could find out who coined that so I can give them
credit. If you're out there, please step forward and claim your acclaim!
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
"Easy -- he's the Right Reverend Admiral Jason Gastrich, BSc, MSc, DVM, ThD,
PhD, MD, JD, Esq, US Navy (Ret). If the bible happened to put things in the
wrong order, well, our boy the Doctor will just fix it right up there!" --
Rightshu (IIDB, 2004)
Dave
> "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> (snip)
>
> | In short, he's a liar, a loon, and an arrogant, posturing
> | asshole.
>
> Hey that's pretty euphonious. Rolls off the tongue.
>
> The only one that is possibly better is Gastrich is "The
> Clouseau of Apologetics." I wish I could find out who coined
> that so I can give them credit. If you're out there, please
> step forward and claim your acclaim!
I think that was "Mr Neil."
- - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net Don
wrote:
>A lot of the time you write good stuff, but it gets me when people all pile
>in on the public vilification of Brother Jason.
"Brother Jason" is a pompous jerk. That why he is treated as he is.
> Whatever his faults are, they are between him and God.
According to Jason, he does not sin. He told me that specific thing
quite a while back. There is nothing "between him and God" since he
does not sin.
>All I know is, he has sent out more Gospel to
>more people than anyone else I personally know,
His ego certainly would like for the word to think that. However, I
think the truth is not in him.
>which is why he gets it in the neck, time after time.
He "gets it in the neck, time after time" because he is a pompous,
condescending, IGNORANT jerk...and nothing more.
(Overheard in court)
Q: Did you blow your horn or anything?
A: After the accident?
Q: Before the accident.
A: Sure, I played for 10 years. I even went to
school for it.
- - - - --- somebody@worldwide.net Don
> Gastrich "gets it in the neck" because of the manner in which
>he's conducted himself. In short, he's a liar, a loon, and an
>arrogant, posturing asshole.
You forgot "condescending" and "self-righteous."
Uncle Davey
I should have added the smiley, maybe.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
Uzytkownik "Tom McDonald" <tmcdon...@nohormelcharter.net> napisal w
wiadomosci news:iRfIe.2364$qv2....@fe07.lga...
I don't think I've misunderstood it at all, Tom.
The world is full of frauds, these people are not out to get frauds, they
are out to get sincere christians who have been not cautious to avoid the
appearance of these people.
A while ago, they voted to change the name to Fraud Watch of their JCSM
watch, but they never did in the end, because the real religious frauds
don't really interest them. There have been half-hearted exchanges about
Hinn and Bitler, but they come back to Jason again and again, and it is
sweet for them to do so, because here we have an effective and sincere
evangelist that they can get at because he has been honest over his need for
finance for his work, and because he has not been as cautious as he could be
over certain matters of his PR.
I understand you being critical of other brethren in order to keep our house
in order, but I think you are maybe a little too uncritical and too ready to
believe in the intellectual honesty and sincerity of those who have been the
main attackers on Jason.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
That's because you don't know what it takes to be a Christian.
Being good enough for God is the opposite of what it takes.
We are the publicans and sinners, and you are the Pharisee. We say "God be
merciful" you say "you need to be good enough", but you are deluded. you
cannot be good enough. It matters not if a glass of water has a little
strichnine or a lot, it is useless anyway.
But God in Christ has the antidote, and it works on any amount.
Uncle Davey
Dave
it as long as you post and I am capable of responding.
Uncle Davey wrote:
> Uzytkownik "Tom McDonald" <tmcdon...@nohormelcharter.net> napisal w
> wiadomosci news:iRfIe.2364$qv2....@fe07.lga...
> > Bible John wrote:
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> > That's not why he 'gets it in the neck.' If you actually believe
> > that it is his love of God that gets him in trouble, then you
> > don't understand the situation.
>
> I don't think I've misunderstood it at all, Tom.
>
> The world is full of frauds, these people are not out to get
> frauds...
We will decide what we are out to do...not you. You have a vested
interest, and you engage in deception on a fairly regular basis. You
even justify deception. You cannot be trusted.
> ...they are out to get sincere christians who have been not
> cautious to avoid the appearance of these people.
If there was much feeling that Gastrich was a "sincere Christian," it's
not likely he would get the heat that he does. You have been
specifically challenged, since you presumed to take up his banner, to
explain several things and you have been found wanting, doing nothing
more that making excuses and even making things up. You then presume
to assert the motives of others, even when those others have said what
they're motives are. You create straw men in order to attempt to knock
them down, but you aren't even really capable of knocking down the
straw men, Gastrich having been such a loathsome and *un*christian
presence in the groups.
Gastrich's behavior--and yours--underscore the need for a direct
assault on the idiocies of fundamantalist or literalist faith. In that
sense, you and he have done a service, since we now assert that
free.christians exists to "free Christians" from their silly belief
system as much as we are able.
> A while ago, they voted to change the name to Fraud Watch
> of their JCSM watch...
In fact, we did not do that. We discussed changing the name and I
suggested a vote. Fraud Watch was but one considered name--it wasn't
the one selected. There wasn't a lot of discussion and the subject has
been tabled, in part, due to your activities and those of Gastrich.
> ...but they never did in the end, because the real religious
> frauds don't really interest them.
We'll decide what interests us.
> There have been half-hearted exchanges about Hinn and
> Bitler, but they come back to Jason again and again, and
> it is sweet for them to do so, because here we have an
> effective and sincere evangelist...
If you want to believe that Gastrich is sincere and effective, more
power to you. He has actually been quite impotent and is something of
a pariah in the San Diego evangelical community. I suspect that this
is one reason for the rather sudden move north. I've already addressed
the issue of his sincerity. Gastrich is about Gastrich and promoting
Gastrich. It's that simple. You are wrong. He is a fraud.
> ...that they can get at because he has been honest over his
> need for finance for his work, and because he has not been
> as cautious as he could be over certain matters of his PR.
Yeah, being an arrogant asshole and using the same advertising tactics
and web tactics as porn merchants wouldn't be good PR...
> I understand you being critical of other brethren in order
> to keep our house in order...
Something you don't have the courage to do, no doubt because you have a
vested interest in the "ministry," I'll wager, and get a good deal on
web hosting. So really, you're not all that sincere, either, are you?
> ...but I think you are maybe a little too uncritical and
> too ready to believe in the intellectual honesty and sincerity
> of those who have been the main attackers on Jason.
If you can show that any of us have not been sincere or honest, you
have always been free to do so. Talk is cheap. All you ever do is
whine in general that we're picking on poor, put-upon Gastrich, and you
can never explain or reasonably justify his actions, even though you've
presumed to do that. You're too stupid for words, and not deserving of
sympathy or respect when all you know how to do is whine, "boo, hoo!
They're picking on poor Jason."
We do what we do when we do it. We don't see your approval. Get over
yourself.
Dave
> Uzytkownik "Dave" <hor...@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
> news:1123202444....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> > No, not really. When I think of what it means to be a
> > Christian, neither you nor Gastrich make the cut. You
> > get it "in the neck" because of your actions and for no
> > other reason.
>
> That's because you don't know what it takes to be a Christian.
I know exactly what it takes, just as I know what those who are not
Christian have a right to expect *of* Christians.
> Being good enough for God is the opposite of what it takes.
I didn't say that you had to be "good enough for God." But here come
the excuses, right? "We're not perfect, just forgiven." Spare me.
When you engage in repeated dishonest and mean-spirited behavior and
then whine later that you're "forgiven," you're not forgiven. You're
insincere, and your belief means nothing to you except as a matter of
ego and convenience.
Snip speech that gets it wrong again.
If you don't get it, just say you don't get it. Telling others what
they think when they've already explained it and it's opposed to your
representation is straw man building...and lying.
Of course, lying's okay...right? "Lesser of two evils" and all that...
Dave
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> > > > Poke, whirl...it's so easy, these "Christians" expose even
> > > > themselves...
> > >
> > > I'll leave it in the hands of God what he does to you for that
> > > remark.
> >
> > Right. God is gonna get me because I'm critical of *you*.
> > Thanks for helping prove my point.
> >
> > Snip
>
> I should have added the smiley, maybe.
Why would you think that anyone would believe such an obvious,
after-the-fact spin? Don't even bother. No one will believe you meant
that comment in jest.
Dave
> Amazon.com
> 3/5
>
> Jason Gastrich writes some very good sound words in this
> book yet foolishly takes scripture out of context...
Have you actually *read* "The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and
Explained?"
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lizzard woman
More importantly, has he read
sharon
Dave
Good point, but he didn't review *it* on Amazon.