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Cuba Reaffirms Solidarity with Saharan People
Havana, Jan 6 (Prensa Latina) Cuba expressed solidarity with the
struggle of the people of the Saharan Arab Democratic Republic (SADR)
for their right to self-determination and independence, the newspaper
Granma reported on Saturday.
During the recently-held 12th National Congress of the POLISARIO Front,
Cuba expressed its solidarity with the people of that North African
country.
That stance is in tune with the support offered during the 14th
Non-Aligned Movement Summit for the efforts of the UN secretary general
to reach a political solution that envisages that people's free
determination, the document said.
"The Saharan people and its legitimate and only representative, the
POLISARIO Front, are determined to achieve self-determination and
independence," added the newspaper, recalling that their struggle
enjoys international support.
Granma added that the United Nations, as a guarantor of the Saharan
people's rights, must act energetically to find a solution to the
impasse and demand that Morocco respect and comply with the UN
resolution on Western Sahara.
During the POLISARIO congress, some 250 foreign guests, representatives
of political parties, movements and progressive organizations, mainly
from Africa, Latin America and Europe, expressed support for the
Saharan people's cause.
More than 1,700 delegates said in a final declaration that the
POLISARIO Front would participate in the third round of direct
negotiations, scheduled for Monday in New York.
However, the document warned that if talks fail, hostilities may be
resumed, so it urged Morocco not to miss this opportunity to reach just
and definite peace.
The meetings, held in June and August 2007, are based on Resolution
1754, approved by the UN Security Council on April 30, 2007.
The Saharan people's cause is one of the most progressive in the world:
it is the only African colony. The United Nations has repeatedly
demanded a solution to the over-30-year-long conflict, Granma stressed.
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children from their families as Cuba does.
It is also not showing any solidarity to v
Sahara issue
Sahrawi children inhumanely treated in Cuba, former Cuban official
Morocco TIMES 3/31/2006 | 12:45 am GMT
"Sahrawi children, who are sent to Cuba, followed military training and
courses on making explosives," testified one of the Cuban former
officials, who made documentaries on the inhumane conditions of the
Sahrawi children in Cuba, reported MAP news agency.
Some former Cuban senior officials confessed that children, who were
snatched from their parents in Tindouf camps and deported to Cuban
"Youth Island", endured ill-treatment.
"These children followed military training and courses on the making of
explosives," said former Cuban instructor, Dariel Alarcon.
Dariel Alarcon, known as "Benigno", testified in a documentary entitled
"Cuba and Polisario Front: crime partners" that he was in charge of
making Sahrawi children, barely nine years old, undergo a military training.
Alarcon, now exiled in France, recalled boats carrying an "incredibly"
high number of Sahrawi children, who later were sent to "Youth island"
under military control with no hope of escaping."
"We taught children how to make home-made explosives with such products
as sugar, coffee, sulphur, and nitroglycerine," he said, revealing that
during these courses "several children were killed. Their bodies should
still be buried in the island if they were not exhumed," said Alarcon.
Juan Vives, former agent of Cuban secret services, published a
documentary under the title "El Magnifico" in which he described the
inhumane condition of children sent from the Polisario-controlled
Tindouf camps, South-west Algeria, to the Latin American country.
In the documentary, Vives said that the Moroccan Sahrawi children were
sent to schools, which were established especially for them, to follow
their politically oriented studies.
"Children were obliged to work in the fields in the morning and go to
school in the afternoon. Some did not cease to cry, claiming their
parents. It was inhumane. Some arrived so young to Cuba that they hardly
remembered from where they came. And it is very inhumane," said Vives.
The former agent said that some young people stayed in Cuba over 12
years, admitting that his country hosted "a network of kidnapping children."
The documentary, which indicated that 2,000 to 3,000 young Sahrawis are
still in Cuba and hundreds of children are still being sent each year,
talked about other abuses exerted by the Polisario, including the
embezzlement of the international aids and the inhumane treatment of the
Moroccan detainees in Tindouf camps.
The DVD documentary was screened during the Moroccan delegation's tour
to several US cities in order to draw the attention of the American
public opinion, particularly the Christian community, to the plight of
the sequestered population in the camps.
During some meetings held in Trenton, New Jersey, Sarasota, Florida and
Jacksonville, the members of the Moroccan delegation presented copies of
this documentary to religious leaders to share it with their communities
and show them the real face of the so-called Polisario.
The Moroccan delegation, composed of Saadani Maa Oulainine, Boussoula
Mohammed Ebeya, Bachir Edkhil, Ali Najab and Ali Jaouhar, delivered
poignant testimonies on the torture they endured during their detention
in Tindouf camps.
http://www.moroccotimes.com/Paper/article.asp?idr=2&id=13816
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/21660
Two survivors of Tindouf make moving testimony before ngos in Geneva
Morocco-Algeria, Politics, 4/18/2002
Two Sahrawi women who succeeded to flee the Tindouf sequestration camps
in south Western Algeria made this Wednesday in Geneva a moving
testimony of their ordeal before representatives of several women's ngos.
The two Sahrawis, Souilka Aamari and Fatimatou Mansour, spoke before the
women's caucus, on the sidelines of the ongoing 58th session of the
Human Rights Commission, of their daily ordeal in Tindouf, stronghold of
the polisario separatists, of their moral and physical sufferings, of
the unspeakable violations of the rights of sequestered women and children.
Souilka Aamari told the caucus how she had been separated from her
daughter, who had been deported to Cuba while Fatimatou Mansour spoke of
her own experience as a deportee to Cuba when she was still an
8-year-old girl and of the ten to twelve years she spent there. She
described the ordeal of hundreds of small and young Sahrawi girls
deported to Cuba, where they are submitted to hard labor in sugar cane
fields, handed to sexual exploitation and prostitution networks or
forcibly enrolled in military training where the enemy is always Morocco.
Souilka Aamari, who spent 17 years in the Tindouf camps described the
inhuman living conditions in these camps, dwelling on the lack of
hygiene and of adequate food -as the humanitarian assistance destined to
the sequestered populations is embezzled by the polisario leaders. She
also spoke of the rapes practiced by polisario leaders, of the physical
torture exercised on all those who dare voice an opposition to the
polisario. But for Souilka Aamari, physical torture in nothing compared
to the "torture of the soul" the "indescribable torture" as she put it.
How can you describe the internal wound when your child is snatched from
your lap to be sent to so a far, inaccessible continent? She said
appealing to the Caucus and to international ngos to initiate moves to
end the sufferings of the mothers and children sequestered in Tindouf,
some of whom for more than 25 years.
The session, held under the chairmanship of Ms. Conchita Poncini,
chairwoman of "Woman's Condition" ngo, was followed by a debate, wherein
several participants conceded that they had been so far misled by the
polisario propaganda and had no idea on the reality in the camps. They
pledged to inform politicians and human rights activists in their
respective reality.
One of the participants, an executive in a ngo struggling against women
trafficking and violence against women, Ms Marion Boeker, who is member
of the Green party in Germany, pledged to send a letter to Cuban Leader
Fidel Castro to denounce the ordeal of Sahrawi children deported to Cuba
and ask for explanations on their situation. She asked the Sahrawi women
to make their testimony again Thursday during the debate on "women's
trafficking " organized by her ngo and the "women's international League
for peace and freedom." Ms Boeker also invited all Sahrawi women who
wish to do so to attend the coming international conference on violence
against women to be held in Nigeria to speak of their experience.
Ms. Conchita Poncini on her part expressed the wish to visit the
southern provinces of Morocco to meet a maximum of sahrawi women to get
first hand information on the tragedy they lived in the Tindouf camps.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020418/2002041803.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/8104
Calls for return of Sahrawi children deported to Cuba
Morocco-Cuba, Politics, 1/22/2001
The Moroccan Committee for the Reunion of Sahrawi families, called over the
weekend on the international community to act for the return to the homeland
of Sahrawi children deported to Cuba and liberation of those sequestered in
the Tindouf camps (south-western Algeria).
The call was made by Ms. Yasni Samira, who is in charge of the committee
international relations, at a meeting held by African Non-Governmental
organizations in Dakar part of preparations for an international conference
against racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and intolerance, to be
staged next August in South Africa.
Ms. Yasni decried the inhuman conditions of the 10,000 Sahrawis in three
Cuban Islands. She called for the implementation of all mechanisms on
persons protection, especially the convention on the suppression of human
trafficking and the convention on the protection of women and children in
difficult situations and in armed conflicts.
She argued that deporting Sahrawi children is part of a the Polisario
strategy to dismember Sahrawi families and hold them hostages.
For the human rights activist, it is high time for the African community,
which has been led astray by the Polisario, to understand the tragedy of
these children, who are subjected to hard labor in sugar canes plantations,
in cigar factories and exploited by sexual tourism webs.
These children, most of whom were deported at the age of six, are regularly
submitted to an ideological indoctrination, Ms. Yasni said, adding the
vulnerable minors have lost all attachment to the families, the Polisario
being presented to them as their sole family.
The Dakar meeting was attended by some 20 African NGOs, including the
Moroccan Human Rights Organization.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/010122/2001012223.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/8197
More see: (10 articles)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=sahrawi&submit=Search&charset=windows-1252
Dan Christensen
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> I don't think it is "showing solidarity" to help with separating
> children from their families as Cuba does.
> It is also not showing any solidarity to v
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This one again, Mr. Lobbyist??? Remember, we are STILL waiting for
some kind of corroboration from somewhat more mainstream groups like
Amnesty International. What seems to be the problem? Let me guess...
Dan
Visit my CUBA: Issues & Answers website at http://www.netcom.ca/~dchris/CubaFAQ.html
PL
> On Jan 7, 2:45 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
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> > > Cuba Reaffirms Solidarity with Saharan People
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> > I don't think it is "showing solidarity" to help with separating
> > children from their families as Cuba does.
> > It is also not showing any solidarity to v
>
> This one again, Mr. Lobbyist???
These ones again comrade Dan.
This series of articles that shows children of Muslim families being
taken against the will of the parents to secular Cuba where one of the
only meats that are available is porc.
Enough to piss off any sahrawi, no?
> Remember, we are STILL waiting for
> some kind of corroboration
(snip)
Stop snipping the facts Mr. hypocrite Propagandist.
It just shows despair.
http://www.moroccotimes.com/Paper/article.asp?idr=2&id=13816
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/21660
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020418/2002041803.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/8104
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/010122/2001012223.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/8197
Again the standard reply to your "lobbyist" lie Mr. Cyber-liar:
Quote me comrade Dan. You claimed you can and you never did.
We both know you can't.
Try something like this:
Quote:
"In my opinion the advances made by the Revolution are morally well
worth
fighting for and justify the use of these extraordinary measures.
In
this case, the ends do indeed justify the means.
.......
These measures, however, would NOT be morally justified in propping
less
worthy regimes in the region -- the USA and its vassal states in the
Caribbean and Latin America come immediately to mind."
"It is wrong to think that a particular end justifies EVERY means. At
this
time, for example, it would be wrong of the Cuban government to send
death
squads after their opponents as happens in Mexico and
Colombia. Again, the actions of the Cuban government in detaining
these
so-called dissidents seem quite mild in comparison and are morally
justified
under the circumstances."
Unquote.
You lie about me as you lied about Wayne Smith, Amnesty
International,
Genocide Watch, ..........
Still waiting for the "Geneva" proof comrade Dan.
That "episode" clearly exposes your lies.
As I said comrade Dan: every time you post that lie about me I post
the
truth about you.
Remember the lie about "lobbying in Geneva" while I actually was on
vacation
in Cuba (as the source IP address of my posts in SCC at that time
prove).
This was your false claim: "Taking a little break from arm-twisting
in
Geneva, Mr. Lobbyist?"
Link:
Your inability to substantiate any of it is the best proof of your
lies.
Nothing more than another example of your lies and misquotes like the
ones
below:
YOUR LIE about Wayne Smith
"It is clear from Smith's article here (and his website, CIP Online)
that he
does, in fact, support an immediate and unconditional lifting of your
beloved embargo."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.cuba/msg/3f1fe3a55c12d7d7?dmode=source&hl=en
HIS own words:
'We should reduce tensions, not aggravate it, making it clear to the
Cuban
government that we do not have hostile intentions toward them,'' Smith
said
during a 40-minute speech at a conference titled Cuba and the United
States:
Relations in Permanent Conflict, Causes, Effects and Solutions.
''I did not say lift the embargo without conditions,'' he said.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/12157593.htm
You can enter after a free registration.
Permanent copy in the Cubaverdad archive:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/16823
YOUR LIE about Amnesty International.
Another example of the same lie: putting words in people's mouth.
Do you deny that in your posts you put some snippets from the report
quoted
below and on your site you also falsely claim about the same report
that:
"Today, for the first time, Amnesty International has explicitly
denounced
the US embargo on Cuba in humanitarian terms, and made clear its
support for
the immediate and unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"
http://members.allstream.net/~dchris/CubaFAQ215.html
Link to the "report": (the one you didn't give until I shamed you in
to it)
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB
They aren't calling for an "immediate and unconditional" end to the
trade
sanctions in that report, are they?
Do you deny you snipped the words "immediate and unconditional" from
these
sentences in the report (THE ONLY PLACES WHERE THEY ARE USED)?
"in 1.
"On the basis of the available information, therefore, Amnesty
International
considers the 75 dissidents to be prisoners of conscience(2) and calls
for
their immediate and unconditional release."
In 8.1
" to immediately and unconditionally release the 15 prisoners
previously
named by Amnesty International as prisoners of conscience.
" to immediately and unconditionally release anyone else who is
detained or
imprisoned solely for having peacefully exercised their rights to
freedom of
expression, association and assembly."
and added to those snippets your own words to create this sentence on
your
lying website:
" Amnesty International has explicitly denounced the US embargo on
Cuba in
humanitarian terms, and made clear its support for the immediate and
unconditional lifting of these cruel sanctions"
that sentence:
1. isn't in the report
2. isn't supported by the tenure and the conclusions of the report
You snipped two three words used by Amnesty to condemn the Castro
regime and
abused them in a sentence to imply support for your cause: a BLATANT
LIE.
What the report actually recommends about the "embargo" is:
"Amnesty International calls on the United States government
- to immediately suspend decisions on any measures that could toughen
the
embargo.
- to review its foreign and economic policy towards Cuba, with an aim
towards ending this damaging practice.
- to place enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the
forefront of
its concerns in developing new policy towards Cuba."
Clearly no immediate and unconditional end is demanded as Dan claims.
The request is for not stiffening the sanctions and to review a policy
that
places "enjoyment of the full range of human rights at the forefront
of its
concerns".
See:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR250172003?open&of=ENG-CUB
Lies and more lies from comrade Dan Christensen, the resident
Canadian
Stalinist propagandist of SCC.
PL
Dan Christensen
> On 8 jan, 05:42, Dan Christensen <dch...@netcom.ca> wrote:
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> > On Jan 7, 2:45 pm, PL <pl.nos...@pandora.be> wrote:
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> > > > Cuba Reaffirms Solidarity with Saharan People
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> > > I don't think it is "showing solidarity" to help with separating
> > > children from their families as Cuba does.
> > > It is also not showing any solidarity to v
>
> > This one again, Mr. Lobbyist???
>
> These ones again comrade Dan.
> This series of articles that shows children of Muslim families being
> taken against the will of the parents to secular Cuba where one of the
> only meats that are available is porc.
> Enough to piss off any sahrawi, no?
>
> > Remember, we are STILL waiting for
> > some kind of corroboration
>
> (snip)
>
> Stop snipping the facts Mr. hypocrite Propagandist.
> It just shows despair.
>
> Sahara issue
> Sahrawi children inhumanely treated in Cuba, former Cuban official
> Morocco TIMES 3/31/2006 | 12:45 am GMT
>
While reposting to same stuff over and over again may go a long to
filling your progaganda quota, it does not address my concern here.
Again, unless you can cite somewhat more mainstream groups like
Amnesty International -- and it seems you cannot -- do not expect a
reply from me on this matter.
P...@pandora.be
don't confuse me with yourself Mr. Hypocrite Propagandist.
The facts are well documented from various NGO's and sahrawi sources.
The issue was even raised in Geneva in front of the UN
Tribune de Geneve: Swiss daily denounces deportation of sahrawi kids
to Cuba
by Polisario
Algeria-Cuba, Politics, 9/24/2003
The Swiss daily "Tribune de Geneve" denounced in an article published
recently the deportation of thousands of Sahrawi children to Cuba by
the
Algeria-backed Polisario guerrilla movement that claims the
independence of
Moroccan southern provinces.
Under the title "from the desert to the Caribbean, the deported of the
Sahara," the paper shed light on the tragedy of Sahrawi children who
are
deported in their early age from the Moroccan Sahara to Cuba in the
name of
a backward-looking and dual interest ideology.
Swiss journalist, Antoine Maurice, quotes the testimony of fatimatou
Mansour, who was separated from her family when she was 12 years old
together with 600 other Sahrawi children to Cuba onboard an old Soviet
ship.
Polisario authorities tell the children they are going for holidays,
hiding
the real sufferings of separation, said the journalist, explaining
that
Fatimatou lived 12 years in exile in a boarding school in the Isle of
Pines,
currently called Isle of Youth. At the beginning they were hundreds of
young
children, as time went by they became thousands of girls and boys
gathered
in special institutions.
Actually, underlined the Swiss paper, the children were sequestered
and
isolated, in order to form a new generation of socialists, without
having
the right to leave the island. Food intakes varied according to the
fluctuations of the US embargo, the paper reports.
"Tribune de Geneve" described how Fatimatou returned to Tindouf
(southern
Algeria) after twelve years of sequestration in the Cuban Island and
how she
fled to Morocco where she was "welcomed as a lost child."
The tragedy went as the world intellectuals kept silence and it was
only in
1999, that the UNESCO mentioned the plight of these children in one of
its
reports, says the journalist, who hails the fact that many of those
who
escaped the Isle of Youth like Fatimatou are now allowed to recount
their
experience before the Human Rights Commission in Geneva, MAP reported.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/030924/2003092429.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/8078
Dan Christensen
[snip]
> > While reposting to same stuff over and over again may go a long to
> > filling your progaganda quota,
>
> (snip)
>
> don't confuse me with yourself Mr. Hypocrite Propagandist.
>
> The facts are well documented from various NGO's and sahrawi sources.
> The issue was even raised in Geneva in front of the UN
>
> Tribune de Geneve: Swiss daily denounces deportation of sahrawi kids
> to Cuba
> by Polisario
> Algeria-Cuba, Politics, 9/24/2003
>
I've never heard of these groups of yours. It has been several years
now, and STILL nothing from groups like Amnesty International or Human
Rights Watch on this. Why do you think that that is??? Must be
frustrating as hell for you.
Do, however, get back to us when you can cite somewhat for mainstream
groups to support your outrageous claims here. Until then, do not
expect a reply from on this matter.
PL
> On Jan 9, 3:46 am, P...@pandora.be wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > > While reposting to same stuff over and over again may go a long to
> > > filling your progaganda quota,
>
> > (snip)
>
> > don't confuse me with yourself Mr. Hypocrite Propagandist.
>
> > The facts are well documented from various NGO's and sahrawi sources.
> > The issue was even raised in Geneva in front of the UN
>
> > Tribune de Geneve: Swiss daily denounces deportation of sahrawi kids
> > to Cuba
> > by Polisario
> > Algeria-Cuba, Politics, 9/24/2003
>
> I've never heard of these groups of yours.
and even if you had you wouldn't admit it or try to slander them Dan.
get real.
The facts are here and from lots of sources with testimnies from
people that were deported to Cuba againts their will plus ex polisario
officials:
Former Saharan Refugees Recount Life in Castro's Schools and
Polisario-Controlled Camps
PR Newswire
MIAMI, Sept. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Children taken from families and sent
to
Cuba, parents afraid to ask questions and corrupt leaders bilking the
international community for aid is only a small part of the
devastating
story of the refugee camps controlled by the Polisario Front, a group
long
affiliated with Fidel Castro.
This morning, seven former Saharan refugees met with Representatives
Lincoln
Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen to focus
attention on
the plight of the tens of thousands of refugees who remain in the
Polisario-controlled camps, and the hundreds of children who are
separated
from their families each year for education in Cuba.
"In Cuba, they prepared us for war. They took away our individuality,
we
were lost. When I was finally reunited with my family after 11 years,
I held
back in many ways," recounted Ghalli Bentaleb, a former Saharan
refugee who
was sent to Cuba at age 12 and forced to live there for 13 years.
"The experience of these refugees is yet another example of the Cuban
dictatorship's ongoing efforts to manipulate public opinion and
attempt to
create a positive facade, while obscuring the horrors which occur at
the
hands of the regime," Congresswoman Ros-Lehtinen stated at the
conference.
"While opening doors to foreigners, the dictator denies access to
education
to the sons and daughters of political prisoners, human rights
dissidents,
and other members of Cuba's internal opposition. We hope that the
statements
by these Sahrawi refugees will shed further light on Castro's
indoctrination
and propaganda efforts through education."
The group of seven includes three adults who were separated from their
families and were forced to live, study and work in Cuba. The
remaining four
are former Polisario officials who witnessed firsthand the degradation
of a
political organization into a corrupt entity forcing refugees to be
used as
political bargaining chips and hostages. The group wants the tens of
thousands of remaining refugees to be free to leave the camps.
"I witnessed with my own eyes the Polisario Front lying about the
camps'
populations in order to receive increased humanitarian aid. I would
know. I
was in charge of overseeing the census," recalled Mohamed Salem El
Kadi, a
former Polisario official. "I also saw the Polisario stealing
humanitarian
aid intended for refugees, and then selling it on the black market."
Last week the group was in Washington, DC, to plead for increased
international attention for thousands of individuals who remain
trapped in
refugee camps in Tindouf, Algeria -- held prisoner by the separatist
Polisario Front.
Thousands of Saharan refugees established camps in southern Algeria in
the
1970s, following Spain's colonization of the area and the conflict
resulting
from Spain's withdrawal. The refugees are forced to live in camps in
Tindouf, Algeria, controlled by the Polisario Front -- a group formed
by
Algeria, Libya and Cuba during the Cold War. Algeria and Cuba continue
to
provide support to the Polisario today.
During the conflict, which ended in a 1991 UN-brokered cease fire, the
Polisario captured almost 2,500 Moroccan prisoners of war. The
prisoners
were held in torturous conditions and forced to perform slave labor,
in
gross violation of the Geneva Conventions. Under international
pressure, the
final 404 Moroccan prisoners of war were released in August 2005. The
Saharan refugees are visiting the United States to continue the
international pressure against the Polisario Front. Moroccan American
Center
for Policy
Source: PR Newswire
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/newsbyid.asp?id=25473&cat=PR+Newswire&more=\
/pr_newswire/
Copy at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/message/17962
More (the link desperate Dan keeps snipping)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaVerdad/msearch?query=sahrawi&submit=Search&charset=windows-1252
PL
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they say that they are obedient to the Pope, that is "hypocrisy." If they
are ready to subscribe to all the articles, that is not enough. If they say
that a man must not be killed for an apple, "they attack the morality of
Catholics." If miracles are done among them, it is not a sign of holiness,
and is, on the contrary a symptom of heresy.
This way in which the Church has existed is that truth has been without
dispute, or, if it has been contested, there has been the Pope, or, failing
him, there has been the Church.
850. The five propositions condemned, but no miracle; for the truth was not
attacked. But the Sorbonne... but the bull...
It is impossible that those who love God with all their heart should fail to
recognise the Church; so evident is she. It is impossible that those who do
not love God should be convinced of the Church.
Miracles have such influence that it was necessary that God should warn men
not to believe in them in opposition to Him, all clear as it is that there
is a God. Without this they would have been able to disturb men.
And thus so far from these passages, Deut. 13, making against the authority
of the miracles, nothing more indicates their influence. And the same in
respect of Antichrist. "To seduce, if it were possible, even the elect."
851. The history of the man born blind.
What says Saint Paul? Does he continually speak of the evidence of the
prophecies? No, but of his own miracle. What says Jesus Christ? Does He
speak of the evidence of the prophecies? No; His death had not fulfilled
them. But he says, Si non fecissem.213 Believe the works.
Two sup
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need no worldly or intellectual greatness, with which they have no affinity;
for these neither add anything to them, nor take away anything from them.
They are seen of God and the angels, and not of the body, nor of the curious
mind. God is enough for them.
Archimedes, apart from his rank, would have the same veneration. He fought
no battles for the eyes to feast upon; but he has given his discoveries to
all men. Oh! how brilliant he was to the mind!
Jesus Christ, without riches and without any external exhibition of
knowledge, is in His own order of holiness. He did not invent; He did not
reign. But He was humble, patient, holy, holy to God, terrible to devils,
without any sin. Oh! in what great pomp and in what wonderful splendour He
is come to the eyes of the heart, which perceive wisdom!
It would have been useless for Archimedes to have acted the prince in his
books on geometry, although he was a prince.
It would have been useless for our Lord Jesus Christ to come like a king, in
order to shine forth in His kingdom of holiness. But He came there
appropriately in the glory of His own order.
It is most absurd to take offence at the lowliness of Jesus Christ, as if
His lowliness were in the same order as the greatness which He c
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had man more ignominy. All that renown has served only for us, to render us
capable of recognising Him; and He had none of it for Himself.
793. The infinite distance between body and mind is a symbol of the
infinitely more infinite distance between mind and charity; for charity is
supernatural.
All the glory of greatness has no lustre for people who are in search of
understanding.
The greatness of clever men is invisible to kings, to the rich, to chiefs,
and to all the worldly great.
The greatness of wisdom, which is nothing if not of God, is invisible to the
carnal-minded and to the clever. These are three orders differing in kind.
Great geniuses have their power, their glory, their greatness, their
victory, their lustre, and have no need of worldly greatness, with which
they are not in keeping. They are seen, not by the eye, but by the mind;
this is sufficient.
The saints have their power, their glory, their victory, their lustre, and
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sign be given to it."
200"And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, why doth this generation
seek after a sign?"
201"Mark 6:5. "And he could there do no mighty work."
202John 4:48. "Except ye see... ye will not believe."
2039. "In signs and lying wonders."
204II Thess. 2:9-11 "After the working of Satan... and with all
deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received
not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God
shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie."
205Deut. 13:3. "for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love
the Lord."
206Matt. 24:25-26. "Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall
say unto you, Behold."
207Is. 5:4. Quis est quod debui ultra facere vineae meae, et non faci ei?
"What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it?"
[208]Gal. 1:8. "But though an angel."
209Ps. 41:4. "Where is thy God?"
[210]Ps. 111:4. "Unto the upright there ariseth light in the darkness."
211"The yes and the no."
212Is. 10:1. "Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees."
213John 15:24. "If he had not done."
214John 15:24. "If he had not done among them the works which none other man
did."
215Prov. 26. 4-5. "Answer... Answer not."
[216]Epistle 63. "Priest of the Lord."
[217]Luke 22:26. "But ye shall not be so."
[218]John 10:30. "I and my father are one."
219John 5:7. "And these three agree in one."
220"The strictest law is the greatest injustice." Terrence, Heauton
Timorumenus, iv. 5. 47; and Cicero, De officiis, i. 10.
221John 21:17. "Feed my sheep." Not
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Christ, which there are not for believing in the other.
827. Judges 13:23: "If the Lord were pleased to kill us, He would not have
shewed us all these things."
Hezekiah, Sennacherib.
Jeremiah. Hananiah, the false prophet, dies in seven months.
II Macc. 3. The temple, ready for pillage, miraculously succoured.--II Macc.
15.
I Kings 17. The widow to Elijah, who had restored her son, "By this I know
that thy words are true."
I Kings 18. Elijah with the prophets of Baal.
In the dispute concerning the true God and the truth of religion, there has
never happened any miracle on the side of error, and not of truth.
828. Opposition.--Abel, Cain; Moses, the Magicians; Elijah, the false
prophets: Jeremiah, Hananiah; Micaiah, the false prophets; Jesus Christ, the
Pharisees; Saint Paul, Bar-jesus; the Apostles, the Exorcists; Christians,
unbelievers; Catholics, heretics; Elijah, Enoch, Antichrist.
829. Jesus Christ says that the Scriptures testify of Him. But He does not
point out in what respect.
Even the prophecies could not prove Jesus Christ during His life; and so men
would not have been culpable for not believing in Him before His death had
the miracles not sufficed without doctrine. Now those who did not believe in
Him, when He was still alive, were sinners, as He said himself, and without
excuse. Therefore they must have had proof beyond doubt, which they
resisted. Now, they had not the prophecies, but only the miracles. Therefore
the latter suffice, when the doctrine is not inconsistent with them; and
they ought to be believed.
John 7:40. Dispute among the Jews as among the Christians of to-day.