Google Groups eliminating Intranet features
Chris O'Donnell
http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2010/09/notice-about-pages-and-files.html
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Chris
Peter Larsen
> We;ll need to move our archives somewhere...
> http://groups-announcements.blogspot.com/2010/09/notice-about-pages-and-files.html
Interesting. Thanks for the link Chris.
"Starting in November 2010, Groupswill no longer allow the creation or
editing of files and pages; the content will only be available for
viewing, and only existing files will be able to be downloaded. If you
would like to keep the content currently on the pages and files sections
of your group, we highly encourage you to export and migrate it to
another product. In February 2011, we will turn off the pages and files
features, and you will no longer be able to access that content."
It doesn't look like it covers the actual group talk like this but
"just" the files we've uploaded to share. Or am I reading it wrong?
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| What about a yahoo group? I have managed a yahoo group for my old neighborhood for more than six years now. Greg Mickle --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Chris O'Donnell <chr...@gmail.com> wrote: |
Peter Larsen
> What about a yahoo group? I have managed a yahoo group for my old
> neighborhood for more than six years now.
Another alternative is to use the tux.org provided mailman list. I can
set one up for fredlug easily. It of course doesn't have the website
option, but I don't think we're really using that anyway. We can, as the
article suggests, create a "site" if we want to publish something
outside the mailing list?
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Peter Larsen
> What about a yahoo group? I have managed a yahoo group for my old
> neighborhood for more than six years now.
You've got the strangest formatted emails EVER :)
I don't think yahoo groups makes a difference compared to google groups.
It's still hosted outside our control, and "our" content isn't even
ours. We setup a google group because it was available when Tux was
having space issues and couldn't host another mailing list back when ...
Should we want to change, I think we should do it for the right reasons.
To me, all we need is a means to communicate with each other. We have
IRC (freenode.net) #Fredlug, and a mailing list.
The problem with both are it doesn't give us a WWW front. At least
google groups had a welcome page. We do have http://fredlug.tux.org -
but it's a simple static html page that could have been created in 1995.
This should be the groups next project; Tux is not moving fast on
setting up the new hardware for a www server with some modern tools on
it - so what does the group think of the idea of using a go-daddy or EC2
type solution where WE own the content, but it's hosted? It would mean
some cost would be incurred so we would have to find a way to finance
that.
Another way is to pressure TUX to get the www issue a higher priority.
The secret there is to simply volunteer to do it. The hardware is there;
it just needs to be setup. If you feel you have time to setup a robust
Joomla or similar system which could be used by multiple groups under
TUX, just like FredLug, I can make things happen. You do NOT have to be
an expert; it's a great learning experience. But knowing your way around
Linux would be a requirement. If at all possible, I like this solution
the best. All it requires is time - no money.
We could use our meetings to discuss an architecture for this. The
software to use, distro (ohhh shivers) and the features that would be
needed. I'm sure I can get the hardware physically to the group so
someone could play at home setting things up. Once ready the box would
be moved to a hosting location and run/hum along there.
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Peter Larsen
Anyone? Is it a problem that Google is reducing their groups to mail
only? If so, what are we looking for? If it's going to be mail only, why
not use a traditional mailing list where the mails are owned by US - not
a corporation?
Feedback please :)
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Paul W. Frields
we had the following services available for use there:
* some reasonably current website framework like a CMS
* a wiki with upload capabilities
* mailman (which I think Peter said was there already and available)
Other needs?
Paul
Peter Larsen
> I wouldn't mind being on tux.org at all. It would be nice, though, if
> we had the following services available for use there:
>
> * some reasonably current website framework like a CMS
> * a wiki with upload capabilities
Both of these are on the TUX.org to-do list. And have been for quite a
while. What's missing are volunteers. This could be a great project for
some of the Fredluggers here with extra time on their hands. Hardware is
available, and if someone is interested I can get that hardware either
sent here or made available at the tux.org hosting facilities.
Novalug created "novalug.com" using godaddy.com. It's a pay-service but
not too expensive. We could as a group collect to get this service, or
as a group lobby tux.org to get moving on the website setup. In my
talks with Tux, while calypso does have the capabilities needed for a
good CMS/Wiki they're not interested in mixing mail and www at all. And
I do understand that. There are other boxes available now - quite a few
actually. A few of them I've setup with CentOS 5 on them. Anyone with a
good background in Linux admin can take these raw boxes and add whatever
CMS/Wiki will work.
We could use our meetings to discuss the best solution or evaluate
different software products?
> * mailman (which I think Peter said was there already and available)
Aye. I should be able to post a link to mailman by the end of this week.
Maybe sooner.
> Other needs?
Do we need to consider using the new Stafford library (England Run)
instead of the Fred. Lib? Given better/larger facilities it may fit us
better.
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Paul W. Frields
> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 12:35 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > I wouldn't mind being on tux.org at all. It would be nice, though, if
> > we had the following services available for use there:
> >
> > * some reasonably current website framework like a CMS
> > * a wiki with upload capabilities
>
> Both of these are on the TUX.org to-do list. And have been for quite a
> while. What's missing are volunteers. This could be a great project for
> some of the Fredluggers here with extra time on their hands. Hardware is
> available, and if someone is interested I can get that hardware either
> sent here or made available at the tux.org hosting facilities.
>
> Novalug created "novalug.com" using godaddy.com. It's a pay-service but
> not too expensive. We could as a group collect to get this service, or
> as a group lobby tux.org to get moving on the website setup. In my
> talks with Tux, while calypso does have the capabilities needed for a
> good CMS/Wiki they're not interested in mixing mail and www at all. And
> I do understand that.
Indeed, totally understandable. Isn't this a perfect argument for
virtual guest machines?
> There are other boxes available now - quite a few actually. A few of
> them I've setup with CentOS 5 on them. Anyone with a good background
> in Linux admin can take these raw boxes and add whatever CMS/Wiki
> will work.
>
> We could use our meetings to discuss the best solution or evaluate
> different software products?
Sure. Jared and I both have some Drupal experience -- he has a lot
more, but I'm always willing to learn. And I have a few books at my
disposal now.
> > * mailman (which I think Peter said was there already and available)
>
> Aye. I should be able to post a link to mailman by the end of this week.
> Maybe sooner.
Awesome, rock on!
> > Other needs?
>
> Do we need to consider using the new Stafford library (England Run)
> instead of the Fred. Lib? Given better/larger facilities it may fit us
> better.
One need only put in a form with the library (and, based on my wife's
experience, be patient and persistent with the responsible staff
member) to get a meeting room. This needs to be done sooner rather
than later since their calendars fill up fast. Call the library for
details: 540-899-1703
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