WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD? By David Icke

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WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD?
By David Icke

Official history is merely a veil to hide the truth of what really
happened. When the veil is lifted, again and again we see that not
only is the official version not true, it is often 100% wrong.

Take the Rothschilds, the bloodline formerly known, among other names,
as the Bauers, one of the most notorious black occult bloodlines of
Middle Ages Germany. It became known as Rothschild (red-shield or
rotes-schild in German) in the 18th century when a financial dynasty
was founded in Frankfurt by Mayer Amschel Rothschild working in league
with the Illuminati House of Hesse and others. They took their name
from the red shield or hexagram/Star of David on the front of their
house in Frankfurt. The Star of David or Seal of Solomon is an ancient
esoteric symbol and only became associated with Jewish people after
the Rothschilds adopted it for themselves. It has absolutely no
connection to “David” or “Solomon”, as Jewish historical sources
confirm. The Rothschilds are one of the top Illuminati bloodlines on
the planet and they are shape-shifting reptilians (see The Biggest
Secret).

Guy de Rothschild, of the French House, heads this bloodline dynasty
today. He is one of the most grotesque exponents of trauma-based mind
control, indeed the top man according to many of those who have
suffered mercilessly under his torture. I am always loath to use the
world evil, but if evil is the reverse of live, Guy de Rothschild is
thoroughly evil. He stands for the opposite of life. He has been
personally responsible for the torture and death of millions of
children and adults, either directly or through those he controls. He
conducts satanic rituals, as all these bloodlines have always done,
and goodness knows how many human sacrifices he has been involved in.

If what I am saying is wrong, Guy de Rothschild, then take me to court
and lets reveal the evidence. You are a multi-billionaire and you
control the courts and the media. I have next to nothing. I should,
therefore, be a pushover. So come on, Mr. Rothschild, lets have you.
Lets take these claims into the public arena and have you and me in
the witness box. Make my day.

Already I can hear the clamor gathering to condemn me as
“anti-semitic” because the Rothschilds claim to be “Jewish.”
Organisations like the Anti-Defamation League and B’nai B’rith have
already made strenuous efforts to label me in this way for exposing
the Rothschilds and to stop me speaking in public. (See elsewhere on
this website) How funny then that both organisations were created by,
and continue to be bankrolled by, the Rothschilds. Just a
co-incidence, nothing to worry about. B’nai Brith means,
appropriately, “Sons of the Alliance” and was established by the
Rothschilds in 1843 as an intelligence arm and to defame and destroy
legitimate researchers with the label “anti semitic.” Many of their
speakers openly supported slavery during the American Civil War and
today they seek to condemn some black leaders as “anti-semitic” or
“racist! Every year, the Anti Defamation League award their “Torch of
Liberty” (the classic Illuminati symbol) to the person they believe
has served their cause the most. One year they gave it to Morris
Dalitz, an intimate of the notorious Meyer Lansky crime syndicate
which terrorised America. Perfect choice.

Of course, the strength of feeling that fans the flames of
condemnation against anyone dubbed “anti-semitic” today is the
sickening persecution of Jewish people by the Nazis of Adolf Hitler.
To expose or question the actions of the Rothschilds or any other
Jewish person or organisation is to be called a “nazi” and
“anti-semitic”, that all-encompassing label which has discredited so
many researchers and stopped them having the opportunity to speak in
public because of protest by unthinking robot radicals and the refusal
of venues to host their meetings. I have had this from time to time,
not least in eastern Canada thanks to a campaign by B’nai B’rith and
the Anti-Defamation League (which spends it’s entire time trying to
defame people). Both organisations, I repeat, are Rothschild created
and controlled.

How strange then, that as I have documented in And The Truth Shall Set
You Free and The Biggest Secret, along with endless other researchers
and scholars, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were created and funded
by…the Rothschilds. It was they who arranged for Hitler to come to
power through the Illuminati secret societies in Germany like the
Thule Society and the Vril Society which they created through their
German networks; it was the Rothschilds who funded Hitler through the
Bank of England and other British and American sources like the
Rothschild’s Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian
Revolution.

The very heart of Hitler’s war machine was the chemical giant, I.G.
Farben, which had an American arm that was controlled by the
Rothschilds through their lackeys, the Warburgs. Paul Warburg, who
manipulated into existence the privately-owned “central bank” of
America, the Federal Reserve, in 1913, was on the board of American
I.G. Indeed Hitler’s I.G. Farben, which ran the slave labour camp at
Auchwitz, was, in reality, a division of Standard Oil, officially
owned by the Rockefellers, but in truth the Rockefeller empire was
funded into existence by…the Rothschilds. See And The Truth Shall Set
You Free and The Biggest Secret for the detailed background of this
and other aspects of this story. The Rothschilds also owned the German
news agencies during both World Wars and thus controlled the flow of
“information” to Germans and the outside world. Incidentally, when
Allied troops entered Germany they found that the I.G. Farben
factories, the very core of Hitler’s war operation, had not been hit
by the mass bombing and neither had Ford factories – another
Illuminati supporter of Hitler. Other factories nearby had been
demolished by bombing raids.

So the force behind Adolf Hitler, on behalf of the Illuminati, was the
House of Rothschild, this “Jewish” bloodline which claims to support
and protect the Jewish faith and people. In fact they use and
sickeningly abuse the Jewish people for their own horrific ends. The
Rothschilds, like the Illuminati in general, treat the mass of the
Jewish people with utter contempt. They are, like the rest of the
global population, just cattle to be used to advance the agenda of
global control and mastery by a network of interbreeding bloodlines,
impregnated with a reptilian genetic code, and known to researchers as
the Illuminati.

Indeed, the Illuminati are so utterly obsessed with bloodline, because
of this reptilian genetic code, that there was no way that someone
like Hitler would come to power in those vital circumstances for the
Illuminati, unless he was of the reptilian bloodline. If you look
elsewhere on this website you will see how the same bloodline has held
the positions of royal, aristocratic, financial, political, military,
and media power in the world for literally thousands of years. This is
the bloodline that has produced ALL 42 of the Presidents of the United
States since and including George Washington in 1789. It is the
bloodline of the runaway favourite to win the 2000 election, George W.
Bush. The World War Two leaders, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin,
were of the bloodline and also Freemasons and Satanists. They were
manipulated into office, and their country’s war effort funded, by the
Rothschilds and the other Illuminati bloodlines.

So are we to believe, therefore, that although this same group
provably funded Adolf Hitler’s rise to power and his war machine, that
he would be the odd one out, a leader of crucial importance to the
agenda who was NOT bloodline?

But hold on. Hitler couldn’t be the same bloodline as, say, the
Rothschilds because, as we all know, the Rothschilds are defenders of
Jewish people and Hitler slaughtered them, along with communists and
gypsies and others who opposed him or he wanted to eliminate. The
Rothschilds are Jewish, they’d never do that.

Oh really.

According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind
of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschilds, he WAS a
Rothschild. This revelation fits like a glove with the actions of the
Rothschilds and other Illuminati bloodlines in Germany who brought
Hitler to the fore as dictator of that nation. He was also supported
by the British Royal Family, the House of Windsor (in truth the German
House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), and these included the British royal “war
hero”, Lord Mountbatten, a Rothschild and a Satanist. Their royal
relatives in Germany, who you would never have thought would normally
support an apparent guy from the street like Hitler, were among his
most enthusiastic supporters. But, of course, they knew who he really
was. There is no way in the world when you do any study of the
Illuminati obsession with bloodline that Hitler would not have been
one of them. Langer writes:

"Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna
Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois
Hitler (Schicklgruber) was Johann Georg Hiedler.There are some people
who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of
Alois…(an Austrian document was) prepared that proved Maria Anna
Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived. At that
time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As
soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back
home..where Alois was born."

Langer's information came from the high level gestapo officer,
Hansjurgen Koehler, published in 1940, under the title "Inside the
Gestapo". He writes about the investigations into Hitler's background
carried out by the Austrian Chancellor, Dolfuss, in the family files
of Hitler.
Koehler actually viewed a copy of the Dolfuss documents which were
given to him by Heydrich, the overlord of the Nazi Secret Service. The
file, he wrote, "caused such havoc as no file in the world ever caused
before" (Inside the Gestapo, p 143). He also revealed that:
"..The second bundle in the blue file contained the documents
collected by Dolfuss. The small statured, but big-hearted Austrian
Chancellor must have known by such a personal file he might be able to
check Hitler…His task was not difficult; as ruler of Austria he could
easily find out about the personal data and family of Adolf Hitler,
who had been born on Austrian soil...Through the original birth
certificates, police registration cards, protocols, etc., all
contained in the original file, the Austrian Chancellor succeeded in
piecing together the disjointed parts of the puzzle, creating a more
or less logical entity..
A little servant girl… (Hitler's mother)…came to Vienna and became a
domestic servant, mostly working for rather rich families. But she was
unlucky; having been seduced, she was about to bear a child. She went
home to her village for her confinement…Where was the little maid
serving in Vienna? This was not a very difficult problem. Very early
Vienna had instituted the system of compulsory police registration.
Both servants and the employers were exposed to heavy fines if they
neglected this duty. Chancellor Dolfuss managed to discover the
registration card. The little, innocent maid had been a servant at
the…Rothschild mansion. ..and Hitler's unknown grandfather must be
probably looked for in this magnificent house. The Dolfuss file
stopped at this statement."
Was Hitler's determination to take over Austria anything to do with
his desire to destroy records of his lineage?
A correspondent who has extensively researched this subject writes:
"It appears to me that Hitler knew about his connection long before
his Chancellorship. Like his father before him, when the going got
rough, the Hitlers went to Vienna. Hitler's father left his home
village at an early age to seek his fortune in Vienna. When Hitler was
orphaned, after his mother died in December of 1907, he left for
Vienna not long after the funeral. There he seemed to drop out of
sight for ten months! What happened during this ten-month stay in
Vienna is a complete mystery on which history sheds no light. It makes
sense, now that it has become established that Hitler was a
Rothschild, that he and his cousins were getting aquainted, and his
potentiall for future family endeavors was being sized up".
The Rothschilds and the Illuminati produce many offspring out of
wedlock in their secret breeding programmes and these children are
brought up under other names with other parents. Like Bill Clinton,
who is almost certainly a Rockefeller produced in the same way, these
"ordinary kids from ordinary backgrounds" go on to be extraordinarily
successful in their chosen field. Hitler, too, would have produced
unofficial children to maintain his strand of the bloodline and there
will obviously be people of his bloodline alive today.

So which Rothschild was the grandfather of Hitler? My thanks to a
website correspondent for the additional, updated, information to this
article, a man has researched this story in some detail. Alois,
Hitler's father, was born in 1837 in the period when Salomon Mayer was
the only Rothschild who lived at the Vienna mansion. Even his wife did
not live there because their marriage was so bad and she stayed in
Frankfurt. Their son, Anselm Salomon spent most of his working life in
Paris and Frankfurt away from Vienna and his father..
Father Salomon Mayer, living alone at the Vienna mansion where
Hitler's mother worked, is the prime, most obvious candidate. And
Hermann von Goldschmidt, the son of Salomon Mayer's senior clerk,
wrote a book, published in 1917, which said of Salomon:
"…by the 1840s he had developed a somewhat reckless enthusiasm for
young girls.." and "He had a lecherous passion for very young girls,
his adventures with whom had to be hushed up by the police."
And Hitler's mother, a young girl working under the same roof would
not have been the subject of Salomon's desire? And this same girl
became pregnant while working there? And her grandson becomes the
Chancellor of Germany, funded by the Rothschilds, and he started the
Second World War which was so vital to the Rothschild-Illuminati
agenda? And the Illuminati are obsessed with putting their bloodlines
into power on all "sides" in a conflict? And the Rothschilds are one
of their most key bloodlines? And it is all a co-incidence?
HITLER WAS A ROTHSCHILD!!


The Second World War was incredibly productive for the Illuminati
agenda of global control. It led to an explosion of
globally-centralised institutions, like the United Nations and the
European Community, now Union, and many others in finance, business,
and the military. Precisely what they wanted. It also put countries
under an enormous burden of debt on loans provided to all sides
by...the Rothschilds and the Illuminati.

The Rothschilds had long had a plan to create a personal fiefdom for
themselves and the Illuminati in Palestine and that plan involved
manipulating Jewish people to settle the area as their “homeland.”
Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati-reptilian Russell bloodline,
was the man who founded the Watchtower Society, better known as the
Jehovah’s Witnesses. He was a Satanist, a paedophile according to his
wife, and most certainly Illuminati. His new “religion" (mind-control
cult) was funded by the Rothschilds and he was a friend of theirs,
just like the founders of the Mormons who were also Rothschild-funded
through Kuhn, Loeb, and Co. Russell and the Mormon founders were all
Freemasons. In 1880, Charles Taze Russell, this friend of the
Rothschilds, predicted that the Jews would return to their homeland.
It was about the only prediction Russell ever got right. Why? Because
he knew that was the plan. He wrote to the Rothschilds praising their
efforts to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Then, in 1917, came the famous Balfour Declaration, when the British
Foreign Minister, Lord Balfour, stated on behalf of his government
that they supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
Now when you hear that phrase, the Balfour Declaration, you get the
feeling that it was some kind of statement or public announcement. But
not so.

The Balfour declaration was a letter from Lord Balfour to…Lord Lionel
Walter Rothschild. Researchers say that the letter was in fact WRITTEN
by Lord Rothschild and his employee, the banker, Alfred Milner. Now
get this. One of the most important secret societies of the 20th
century is called the Round Table. It is based in Britain with
branches across the world. It is the Round Table that ultimately
orchestrates the network of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign
Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Royal Institute of
International Affairs. See my books for details. How fascinating then,
that Lord Balfour was an inner circle member of the Round Table,
Alfred Milner was the Round Table’s official leader after the death of
Cecil Rhodes, and the Round Table was funded by..Lord Lionel Walter
Rothschild. These were the very three people involved in the Balfour
Declaration of 1917.

Two years later, in 1919, came the Versailles Peace Conference near
Paris when the elite of the Round Table from Britain and the United
States, people like Alfred Milner, Edward Mandel House, and Bernard
Baruch, were appointed to represent their countries at the meetings
which decided how the world would be changed as a result of the war
these same people had created. They decided to impose impossible
reparations payments on Germany, so ensuring the collapse of the
post-war Weimar Republic amid unbelievable ecomonic collapse and thus
create the very circumstances that brought the Rothschild, Hitler, to
power. It was while in Paris that these Illuminati, Round Table,
members met at the Hotel Majestic to begin the process of creating the
Bilderberg-CFR-RIIA-Trilateral Commission network. They also decided
at Versailles that they now all supported the creation of a Jewish
homeland in Palestine. As I show in my books, EVERY ONE of them was
either a Rothschild bloodline or was controlled by them.

The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was “advised” at Versailles by
Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders
of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister,
Lloyd George, was “advised” by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and
Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct decendent of
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French
leader, Georges Clemenceau, was “advised” by his Minister for the
Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild.

Who do you think was making the decisions here??

But it went further. Also in the American delegation were the Dulles
brothers, John Foster Dulles, who would become US Secretary of State,
and Allen Dulles, who would become first head of the new CIA after
World War Two. The Dulles brothers were bloodline, would later be
supporters of Hitler, and were employed by the Rothschilds at Kuhn,
Loeb, and Co. They were also involved in the assassination of John F.
Kennedy and Allen Dulles would serve on the Warren Commission which
investigated the assassination. The American delegation at Versailles
was also represented by the Rothschild-controlled, Paul Warburg, of
Kuhn, Loeb and the American branch of I.G. Farben, while the German
delegation included his brother, Max Warburg, who would become
Hitler’s banker!! Their host in France during the “peace” conference
was…Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the leading force at the time pressing
for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel. See my books for fine
detail.

The Rothschilds have always been the true force behind the Zionist
Movement. Zionism is in fact SIONism, Sion = the Sun, hence the name
of the elite secret society behind the Merovingian bloodline, the
Priory of Sion [[of which De Gaulle was a member, poster's note for
the french readers]]. Contrary to most people’s understanding, Zionism
is not the Jewish people. Many Jews are not Zionists and many non-Jews
are. Zionism is a political movement, not a race. To say Zionism is
the Jewish people is like saying the Democratic Party is the American
people. Jewish people who oppose Zionism, however, have been given a
very hard time.

Now, having manipulated their puppet-governments to support their plan
for a personal fiefdom in the Middle East, the Rothschilds began the
process of settling Jewish people in Palestine. As always they treated
their own people with contempt. Enter Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the
“Father of Israel”, who died in 1934, the man who hosted the
Versailles “peace” delegations. Edmond was from the French House, like
Guy de Rothschild. Edmond, in fact, began to settle Jews in Palestine
as far back as the 1880s (when Charles Taze Russell was making his
prediction). He financed Russian Jews to establish settlements in
Palestine, but it was nothing to do with their freedom or birthright,
it was to advance the Rothschild-Illuminati agenda. Edmond financed
the creation of farms and factories and ran the whole operation with a
rod of iron. The Jewish farmers were told what to grow and they soon
found out who was in charge if they questioned his orders.
In 1901, these Jewish people complained to Rothschild about this
dictatorship over their settlement or “Yishuv”. They asked him:

“..if you wish to save the Yishuv, first take your hands from it,
and…for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of
correcting for themselves whatever needs correcting..”

Baron Rothschild replied:

“I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists
nor organisations, have the right to interfere in my plans..”

In one sentence, you have the true attitude of the Rothschilds to
Jewish people, and indeed, the human population in general. These
people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian
genetic code who hide behind the Jewish people and use them as a
screen and a means to an end. According to Simon Schama’s book, Two
Rothschilds and the Land of Israel (Collins, London, 1978), the
Rothschilds acquired 80% of the land of Israel.

Edmond de Rothschild worked closely with Theodore Herzl, who just
happened to be the founder of Zionism, the political movement created
to ensure a “Jewish” homeland in Palestine. Rothschild was also the
power behind Chaim Weizmann, another leader of Zionism. As Rothschild
told Weizmann:

“Without me Zionism would not have succeeded, but without Zionism my
work would have been stuck to death.”

So now with the Rothschilds increasing their financing of Jewish
settlements in Palestine, and with their agents in governments
officially supporting their plans for a Rothschild, sorry Jewish,
homeland,

[[poster's note : the recently-built supreme court of israel was built
by...the Rothschilds and it is a nice piece of illuminati
architecture]]

they needed a catalyst which would demolish Arab protests at the
take-over of their country. That catalyst was the horrific treatment
of Jews in Germany and the countries they conquered by the
Rothschild-funded Nazis and one of their own, a Rothschild called
Adolf Hitler.

The wave of revulsion at the Nazi concentration camps gave vital and,
in the end, crucial impetus to the Rothschild agenda. It was they who
funded the Jewish terrorist operations like the Stern Gang and Irgun,
which committed mayhem and murder to bring the State of Rothschild
(Israel) into being in 1948. These terrorist groups, who slaughtered
Jewish people with equal enthusiasm, were led by the very people who
later rose to lead the new Israel…people like Menachem Begin, David
Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Rabin, and Yitzhak Shamir. It was these
Rothschild-controlled Zionist gangs who murdered the international
mediator Count Bernadotte on September 17, 1948, apparently because he
had been intending to present a new partition resolution to the United
Nations.

And the Rothschilds were not satisfied with causing the unimaginable
suffering of Jewish people under the Nazis, they also stole their
wealth when the war was over, just as they stole the Russian wealth
during the revolution they had financed.

In early 1998, during a speaking tour of South Africa, I had a
personal meeting with P.W. Botha, the apartheid President of South
Africa during the 1980s. The invitation came out of the blue when I
was speaking a few miles from his home. We spoke for an hour and a
half about the manipulation of South Africa and it was not long before
names like Henry Kissinger, Lord Carrington, and the Rothschilds came
up.

“I had some strange dealings with the English Rothschilds in Cape Town
when I was president”, he said, and he went on to tell me a story
that sums up the Rothschilds so perfectly. He said they had asked for
a meeting with him and his foreign minister, the Illuminati operative,
Pik Botha (no relation). At that meeting, he said, the Rothschilds
told him there was massive wealth in Swiss bank accounts which once
belonged to German Jews and it was available for investment in South
Africa if they could agree an interest rate. This is the very wealth,
stolen from German Jews who suffered under the Nazis, which has come
to light amid great scandal in recent years. The Rothschilds have been
making a fortune from it since the war!! Botha told me he refused to
accept the money, but Pik Botha left the meeting with the Rothschilds
and he could not be sure that they did not come to some arrangement.

Breathtaking? Of course it is, but the world is not how we think it
is.

To this day the Rothschilds continue to control the State that has
their family symbol on it’s flag and it is they who use that country
and its people to maintain the conflict, both within its borders and
with surrounding Arab countries, which has allowed the
Illuminati-Rothschilds to control their so called “Arc of Crisis” in
the Middle East through divide, rule, and conquer. It has allowed
them, not least, to control the oil-producing countries since the war
when the oil really came on line.

PLEASE, JEWISH PEOPLE OF ISRAEL AND THE WORLD, LOOK AT THIS.

YOU ARE BEING PLAYED OFF AGAINST THE NON-JEWISH RACES AND VISA-VERSA.
YOU AND ALL OF US WHO CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN AND THE FREEDOM OF THE
WORLD MUST UNITE AND FOCUS ON THE FORCE THAT IS PLAYING ALL PEOPLE
LIKE A VIOLIN. FEAR OF EACH OTHER AND DIVIDE AND RULE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN
THE BASIC TOOLS OF DICTATORS, GLOBAL AND OTHERWISE.

AND I SAY THIS TO ARAB PEOPLE:

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, DO THE ROTHSCHILDS AND THE ILLUMINATI CONTROL
ONLY ONE SIDE IN A CONFLICT. IF THEY DID THEY COULD NOT BE SURE OF THE
OUTCOME AND THAT’S NOT THE WAY THEY PLAY THE GAME. IN EVERY
SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT THEY CONTROL THE LEADERSHIP OF ALL FACTIONS, EVEN
THOUGH THEY MAY FIGHT AND BATTLE WITH EACH OTHER ON THE PUBLIC STAGE.

SO WE KNOW WHO CONTROLS THE JEWISH LEADERSHIP IN ISRAEL. THE
ROTHSCHILDS AND THE ILLUMINATI.

BUT WHO,THEREFORE, CONTROLS YASSER ARAFAT? I’ll GIVE YOU ONE GUESS.

THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CONTROLLED MENACHEM BEGIN OF ISRAEL AND PRESIDENT
SADAT OF EGYPT DURING THE “PEACE AGREEMENT” OF THE CARTER PRESIDENCY.
BEGIN, SADAT, AND CARTER, WERE ALL IMMUMINATI PUPPETS, JUST AS THE
ISRAEL LEADERSHIP, ARAFAT, AND CLINTON ARE TODAY. IT’S A SCAM, A SHAM,
A MOVIE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION ONLY.

WHAT IS DONE IS DONE AND THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL-PALESTINE NEED TO WORK
AND LIVE TOGETHER IN HARMONY AND MUTUAL RESPECT. THERE IS NO OTHER
WAY, EXCEPT MORE DEATHS, MORE SUFFERING, MORE CONFLICT – EXACTLY WHAT
THE ILLUMINATI AND THE ROTHSCHILDS WANT. THEY HAVE HORRENDOUS PLANS
FOR ISRAEL IN WHICH ALL SIDES WILL SUFFER, NOT LEAST THEIR PLANS FOR A
MAJOR EVENT AT THE TEMPLE MOUNT MOSQUE, THE SITE OF THE SO CALLED
“TEMPLE OF SOLOMON” ACCORDING TO THE JEWISH BELIEF SYSTEM

COME ON PEOPLES OF THE WORLD, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RACE, COLOUR, OR
CULTURE. NO MATTER WHAT YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEF OR YOUR SPIN ON LIFE.
THE FREEDOM, WHAT REMAINS OF IT, FOR ALL OF US IS AT STAKE HERE AND
WHILE WE ARE DIVIDED ON THESE IRRELEVANT GROUNDS, THAT FREEDOM IS
DOOMED.

LETS WORK TOGETHER
WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.

WAR IS OVER WHEN WE WANT IT. THE WORLD IS WHATEVER WE ALLOW IT TO BE.

WE WANT TO CHANGE THE WORLD. OK, LET’S CHANGE OURSELVES.

PLEASE CIRCULATE THIS ARTICLE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.

THANK-YOU.

DAVID ICKE

NOTE: The book, The Bloodlines of the Illuminati, by Fritz Springmeier
(Ambassador House, Westminster, Co 80030) is another excellent source
of information about these subjects.

Blood Lines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier available from
Amazon</
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0966353323/tgsthegoodstew/

[[and directly available freely on the web
http://webpages.shepherd.edu/EEHRHA01/13Bloodlines.htm (links change
over time, just do a google search on the title and author if this one
gets down) ]]


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[[funny, there is "child" in rothschild]]

Vaste programme

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Aug 7, 2004, 12:51:31 PM8/7/04
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Merci Quintal, je n'en reviens pas, c'est captivant : aucune preuve,
des arguments d'autorité, des renvois à ses propres ouvrages.
Un vrai bijou d'imbécillité.

> The Rothschilds are one of the top Illuminati bloodlines on
> the planet and they are shape-shifting reptilians (see The Biggest
> Secret).

Qui a écrit l'ouvrage, un Rothschild ?



> Guy de Rothschild, of the French House, heads this bloodline dynasty
> today. He is one of the most grotesque exponents of trauma-based mind
> control, indeed the top man according to many of those who have
> suffered mercilessly under his torture.

Il faut aller rencontrer Guy Edouard Alphonse Paul de Rothschild à
Deauville pour constater que les chevaux n'osent pas l'approcher tant
ils en ont peur.
Je pense que tu l'as fait Quintal, cela t'aurais permis de vérifier
tes élucubrations au lieu de rester plongé dans des lectures
d'impuissants.
Et la baronne, aussi une reptilienne responsable de milliards de morts
?

> Guy de Rothschild is has been


> personally responsible for the torture and death of millions of
> children and adults, either directly or through those he controls. He
> conducts satanic rituals, as all these bloodlines have always done,
> and goodness knows how many human sacrifices he has been involved in.

Tout simplement à gerber.
En 1939, à 30 ans, le petit Guy supervisait la famille Rothschild ? Et
dire que son papa, Edouard Alphonse James de Rothschild, mort en 1949,
ne le savait pas puisqu'il continuait à diriger la banque de la rue
Laffitte. Par ailleurs, Guy (soldat) se battait avec les troupes
alliées. Quant à Churchill qui fit intervenir Maurice de Rothshild
pour rencontrer Paul Reynaud et Georges Mandel en mai 1940, juif,
Rothschild ou reptilien ? Quat aux fameux Rothschild d'Autriche ont
fui dès 1940 vers New-York.

> According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind
> of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschilds, he WAS a
> Rothschild.

Vlà que les psychoanalystes se mettent à la génétique.

> Lord Mountbatten, a Rothschild and a Satanist.

Cool, ils sont tous de la famille Rothschild.

> "Adolf's father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna

> Schicklgruber...
Exit les Frankenberger et le philanthrope juif de Colombus, c'est pas
sympa çà.

> A little servant girl? (Hitler's mother)?came to Vienna and became a
Ce n'est plus mère grand maintenant ?

Uen autre explication plus simple : le pudibond, mono-testiculé et
hypoplaste génital AH avait de gros problèmes d'érection et de
plaisir. L'on sait comment la frigidité triomphante se condamne à la
célébration de son propre néant.

Finalement, ce sont plutôt Icke et Quintal qui, fascinés par Hitler,
apparaissent de sa famille spirituelle : les cons dangereux.

ibigoud john

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c quoi cette connerie : "Was Hitler a Rotschild?" ... ??!
c'est un bouquin ? ou juste un gars qui délire en anglais sur les newsgroups
?

"Vaste programme" <malu...@ifrance.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:3b5c3efd.04080...@posting.google.com...

Quintal

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On 7 Aug 2004 09:51:31 -0700, malu...@ifrance.com (Vaste programme)
wrote:

>Merci Quintal, je n'en reviens pas, c'est captivant : aucune preuve,
>des arguments d'autorité, des renvois à ses propres ouvrages.
>Un vrai bijou d'imbécillité.

tu aurais du citer en entier, il y a plusieurs références à des
bouquins par d'autres auteurs, d'ailleurs tu en as cité une,
apparemment ça t'a refroidit vu que ça contredit ton introduction ci
dessus.

eh oui, ceux qu'il faut empêcher de parler pas vrai? mdr
belle réaction de robot bravo

Quintal

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tu es meme mentionné dans le texte mdr, quelle prévisibilité !
"unthinking robot radicals" :

"To expose or question the actions of the Rothschilds or any other
Jewish person or organisation is to be called a “nazi” and
“anti-semitic”, that all-encompassing label which has discredited so
many researchers and stopped them having the opportunity to speak in
public because of protest by unthinking robot radicals and the refusal
of venues to host their meetings. "

c'est bien ce que tu fais non? en traitant les messagers de "cons
dangereux" tu cherches à interdire leur parole.
Désolé mais Icke défie rothschild de l'attaquer en diffamation.

"If what I am saying is wrong, Guy de Rothschild, then take me to
court and lets reveal the evidence. You are a multi-billionaire and
you control the courts and the media. I have next to nothing. I
should, therefore, be a pushover. So come on, Mr. Rothschild, lets
have you. Lets take these claims into the public arena and have you
and me in the witness box. Make my day. "

Reste ta pathétique critique comme quoi Icke "renvoit à ses propres
ouvrages" mdr
mais mon imbécile, évidemment qu'il le fait, car dans ces ouvrages il
aborde ces questions dans le détail. Ce n'est pas, comme tu le
prétends, un argument du genre "ceci est prouvé dans ce livre d'un
chercheur indépendant", mais juste "allez voir mon bouquin pour de
plus amples références". Ton argument, est nul;-)

Quant à la théorie reptilienne, 1/ ce n'est pas le sujet du post, le
sujet est l'origine rothschild de hitler, 2/ je ne risque pas de la
défendre vu que je n'ai aucune raison factuelle d'y croire. Son volet
"les religions du monde entier racontent l'histoire de l'intervention
d'extraterrestres dans l'humanité" est factuel, mais son volet (le
sensationnel) "les familles royales sont des reptiliens de la
quatrième dimension qui se réunissent pour bouffer les entrailes d'un
bébé de temps en temps" (interview d'arizona wilder) n'est "prouvé"
que par des témoignages reçus par Icke. Du vent, quoi, jusqu'à ce
qu'on se trouve face à un de ces sbires et qu'il leur prenne l'envie
de changer de forme, ça reste juste une théorie mdr

Il y a quand même un aspect qui est prouvé depuis quelques années, le
fait que les élites sont satanistes. Ce n'est pas grâce à des moutons
robotiques comme toi, mais les rituels de Skull and Bones et du
Bohemian Grove ont été pénétrés et révélés. Et ils ne sont pas niés
par ces élites, ils admettent en effet faire une "représentation" de
sacrifice humain sous une statue de Moloch tous les étés au Bohemian
Grove. Ca devrait te titiller mdr
Ils ne nient plus la chose (plus moyen mdr), ils prétendent juste que
c'est anodin et pour se détendre.

Pour la vidéo du bohemian grove voir le site d'alex jones
www.infowars.com
ou aller sur les serveurs d'emule/edonkey et chercher le fichier "dark
secrets inside bohemian grove" qui y est disponible en plusieurs
tailles et formats.

retiré alt.conspi du crosspost

Vaste programme

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> Quintal <qui...@TAKETHISOUThotmail.com> wrote in message

> tu es meme mentionné dans le texte mdr, quelle prévisibilité !
> "unthinking robot radicals" :
Mais non, je suis un Rothschild et je viens d'apprendre qu'Adolf est
un cousin : imagine le choc !

Quant à Icke, il renvoit à un bouquin d'un auteur qui renvoit à Icke :
on se bouffe la queue reptilienne, et c'est pas des pipes.

> Il y a quand même un aspect qui est prouvé depuis quelques années, le
> fait que les élites sont satanistes.

1- Prouvé par qui ?
2- Définition du satanisme sans référence au christianisme ?
3- Quelles élites ? Toutes les élites : politiques, sportives,
intellectuelles, religieuses, etc ? Mais alors est-ce que cela ne
devrait pas faire longtemps que la religion universelle devrait être
ton supposé satanisme ?

> Ce n'est pas grâce à des moutons robotiques comme toi

Merde, t'es bouché : je te dis que je suis un Rothschild. Petit rappel
familial : je descends de Raphaël (mort en 1624), fils d'Isaac
Elchanan (mort en 1585), fils d'Elchanan lui-même fils d'Uri Feibesch.

Et là, j'apprends sans préambule que je suis un reptilien. Tu me
diras, je m'en doutais : ce goût pour les escargots et les cuisses de
grenouille, çà avait quelque chose de bizarre. Bon, faut que je te
laisse, je dois aller me prélasser au Soleil sur mon rocher avant de
faire un sacrifice humain, de préférence un ch'tit enfant blanc que je
vais vider de son sang sur un dolmen.

Tu y croirais toi qu'au XIXème siècle, y-en a qui pensaient que les
dolmens servaient aux sacrifices humains ? C'est pas de nos jours
qu'on rencontrerait des cons pareils, hein ?

Au fait, mais ne le répète pas, tous les jours, partout dans le monde,
des millions de personnes font une "représentation" de sacrifice
humain : ils ne nient pas la chose (pas moyen), ils appellent çà la
messe. Ils n'oseraient prétendre que c'est anodin et ils disent même
qu'ils font cela pour leur salut !

Quintal

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je suis tombé sur un clown;-)

On 9 Aug 2004 19:36:10 -0700, malu...@ifrance.com (Vaste programme)
wrote:

>> Quintal <qui...@TAKETHISOUThotmail.com> wrote in message


>> tu es meme mentionné dans le texte mdr, quelle prévisibilité !
>> "unthinking robot radicals" :
>Mais non, je suis un Rothschild et je viens d'apprendre qu'Adolf est
>un cousin : imagine le choc !
>
>Quant à Icke, il renvoit à un bouquin d'un auteur qui renvoit à Icke :
>on se bouffe la queue reptilienne, et c'est pas des pipes.

tu as lu mon post?

"Reste ta pathétique critique comme quoi Icke "renvoit à ses propres
ouvrages" mdr
mais mon imbécile, évidemment qu'il le fait, car dans ces ouvrages il
aborde ces questions dans le détail. Ce n'est pas, comme tu le
prétends, un argument du genre "ceci est prouvé dans ce livre d'un
chercheur indépendant", mais juste "allez voir mon bouquin pour de
plus amples références". Ton argument, est nul;-)"

de quel auteur qui renvoit à icke parles tu?

>> Il y a quand même un aspect qui est prouvé depuis quelques années, le
>> fait que les élites sont satanistes.

>1- Prouvé par qui ?

tu as lu mon post?

"Il y a quand même un aspect qui est prouvé depuis quelques années, le

fait que les élites sont satanistes. Ce n'est pas grâce à des moutons
robotiques comme toi, mais les rituels de Skull and Bones et du
Bohemian Grove ont été pénétrés et révélés. Et ils ne sont pas niés
par ces élites, ils admettent en effet faire une "représentation" de
sacrifice humain sous une statue de Moloch tous les étés au Bohemian
Grove. Ca devrait te titiller mdr
Ils ne nient plus la chose (plus moyen mdr), ils prétendent juste que
c'est anodin et pour se détendre.

Pour la vidéo du bohemian grove voir le site d'alex jones
www.infowars.com "

>2- Définition du satanisme sans référence au christianisme ?

pour quoi faire?

>3- Quelles élites ? Toutes les élites : politiques, sportives,
>intellectuelles, religieuses, etc ?

c'est une question sincère?
Les EL-ites, EL c'est Saturne/Satan en phénicien.
Remarque ta question n'est àas si mal, car en effet ya pas que les
décideurs politiques et économiques qui dirigent le peuple, les
divertisseurs (sportifs, artistes) jouent un role important, c'est
pourquoi ils sont grassement payés. Et ils sont ouvertement corrompus
(jet-set).
Mais je parle des élites au pouvoir. J'ai parlé du Bohemian Grove et
du Skull & Bones.


> Mais alors est-ce que cela ne
>devrait pas faire longtemps que la religion universelle devrait être
>ton supposé satanisme ?

? pas compris, et pas envie de réfléchir pour comprendre. Explicite.


>> Ce n'est pas grâce à des moutons robotiques comme toi

>Merde, t'es bouché : je te dis que je suis un Rothschild.

C'est pas une blague?

> Petit rappel
>familial : je descends de Raphaël (mort en 1624), fils d'Isaac
>Elchanan (mort en 1585), fils d'Elchanan lui-même fils d'Uri Feibesch.

ça alors mdr

>Et là, j'apprends sans préambule que je suis un reptilien.

Hein? mdr
faut pas croire tout ce que tu entends;-)

> Tu me
>diras, je m'en doutais : ce goût pour les escargots et les cuisses de
>grenouille, çà avait quelque chose de bizarre.

T'as pas l'air très informé sur les pratiques de ta famille et de leur
lignée. Va voir infowars.com pour un avant-gout.

> Bon, faut que je te
>laisse, je dois aller me prélasser au Soleil sur mon rocher avant de
>faire un sacrifice humain, de préférence un ch'tit enfant blanc que je
>vais vider de son sang sur un dolmen.

Tu rigoles, mais va donc voir ce que font tes petits frères tous les
été au BG : un sacrifice humain, faux ou vrai va savoir; en tout cas
meme en faux ça fait bizarre de voir les leaders mondiaux faire un
sacrifice humain à Moloch, enfin moi ce que j'en dis hein, peut etre
que toi tu trouves ça normal? ou que tu ne veux pas aller voir?

>Tu y croirais toi qu'au XIXème siècle, y-en a qui pensaient que les
>dolmens servaient aux sacrifices humains ?

eh pourquoi pas
le thème est permanent.

> C'est pas de nos jours
>qu'on rencontrerait des cons pareils, hein ?

question de point de vue mon bon

>Au fait, mais ne le répète pas, tous les jours, partout dans le monde,
>des millions de personnes font une "représentation" de sacrifice
>humain : ils ne nient pas la chose (pas moyen), ils appellent çà la
>messe.

C'est pas la meme chose, QUOIQUE mdr, tu as de l'intuition quand meme
mdr

Au premier niveau ça n'a rien à voir : au BG tu as un etre humain sur
un bucher auquel on fout le feu, et il hurle. Et avant, pendanty et
après, la foule crie "Brule !!"... et le rituel s'appelle "the
cremation of care", la crémation de la compassion ou du souci.

Au niveau symbolique c'est effectivement la meme chose, le
christianisme est une apparence pour voiler la religion réelle : pour
les masses on la fait passer pour bienveillante, mais en réalité
chaque détail du rituel et des textes sacrés renvoit à la tradition
solaire et sataniste, dans laquelle le sacrifice humain joue un role
central.

> Ils n'oseraient prétendre que c'est anodin et ils disent même
>qu'ils font cela pour leur salut !

Ben oui se faire manger par les "dieux" c'est être "sauvé", c'est
l'arnaque habituelle. Ce culte du sacrifié, de l'agneau sacrifié, ça
te fait pas réfléchir? Quelle meilleure programmation pour un peuple
de moutons bons à abattre?

"Définition du satanisme sans référence au christianisme ?"

allez t'es plus sérieux que je le pensais donc voilà :

Satan n'est pas né (ni son nom) avec le christianisme.
Il faut remonter aux phéniciens (nimrod/sémiramis/et le troisième, là,
le méssant;-), à Sumer (Anu/Ninkharsag/Enki/Enlil (le 4ème est le
gentil fiston)) et bien sur à l'égypte (Osiris/Isis/Seth/Horus).
Le christianisme reprend cette histoire, fidèlement, mais en la
voilant. Fidèlement pour les initiés, voilée pour les profanes.

La version chrétienne (hébraique en fait, ancien testament) est valide
: Adam et Eve tentés dans le jardin d'Eden par le Serpent.
Tiens donc, le serpent !! mdr donc le reptile;-)
Que leur dit le serpent? "Mangez du fruit de l'arbre de la
connaissance du bien et du mal et vous serez semblables à dieu (ou aux
dieux). Je vous offre la liberté de ce dieu injuste qui vous maintient
dans l'ignorance pour garder le pouvoir pour lui-meme."

Nous avons dans cette histoire : un dieu créateur (Adonai, Anu,
Osiris), un ange déchu (Lucifer,Seth) ou fils porteur de problèmes
pour l'humanité (Enki,Yahveh), la femme du dieu créateur qui lui
raccomode les morceaux après qu'il se soit fait démembrer par le
méchant (Isis,Sémiramis) ou qui sauve l'humanité (après lui avoir
donné naissance) des méfaits du méchant (Ninkharsag).

L'idée du satanisme est que l'humanité en a eu marre d'adorer le dieu
bon et de se faire exterminer par le dieu méchant, et a retourné sa
veste et adoré le méchant Yahveh mdr, dans l'idée que "au moins il
nous foutra moins en l'air, et de toute façon l'autre là haut il ne
nous aide pas". Les HU-mains (HU est le nom d'un de ces dieux mdr,
mais oui ce symbolisme est partout mdr) en ont eu marre, ont pris leur
persécuteur pour dieu, mais il faut remonter à sumer pour décoder ça,
ou voir que DEUX dieux sont traduits par un seul dans l'ancien
testament, adonai et yahweh, ce sont deux entités distinctes en hébreu
comme dans l'histoire originale sumérienne, mais traduits par un seul
nom tardivement. Deux entit"s au comprtement opposé d'ailleurs. Encore
aujourd'hui que disent les franc mac genre albert pike? Adonai est le
vrai méssant, yahweh est le gentil (or yahweh est celui qui extermine
l'humanité de façon répétée mdr, et adonai celui qui sauve l'humanité
de façon répétée, dans l'ancien testament comme dans la mythologie
sumérienne)


Venons en au christianisme;)
Nous avons Dieu le Père, Jésus-Christ le Fils, Satan l'Ennemi, et
Marie la Mère.
(d'aucun disent que le saint esprit est satan pour les initiés mdr)

Autre direction, qu'est ce que le satanisme? mdr
Satan est Saturne, Saturne est la dernière planète du septenaire, la
planète limite, le soleil noir (nom de l'ordre intérieur nazi), le
gardien du temps, de la loi de cause à effet. C'est la matrice !
(matrix, le film mdr). C'est celui qui code notre "réalité" et nous
maintient limités, c'est l'anneau-ne-passe-pas, le gardien de prison.
Adorer Satan (ou le soleil mdr, autre symbole) c'est adorer la
manifestation (et non l'être), adorer celui qui gouverne (mais pas
l'essence des êtres qui est une), adorer les règles (ou l'absence de
règles, lucifer), les lois. (Les hommes de loi sont en noir, la robe
noire, celle des adorateurs de EL depuis la phénicie mdr).
Le seigneur des anneaux;-) Les anneaux...de saturne mdr

réponse pratique = un sataniste fait un pacte avec des démons pour
gagner du pouvoir matériel (argent, pouvoir, promesse d'immortalité).
Il doit concrétiser son allégeance en sacrifiant des proches (le
premier né pour les satanistes de haut niveau) et en renonçant à la
compassion (d'où le rituel de la "cremation of care" du bohemian
grove, sacrifice humain devant moloch, dieu de la tromperie (faut être
con non pour faire un deal avec le dieu de la tromperie? mdr)). Les
élites jouent avec l'humanité comme avec du bétail (et la nomment
ainsi ouvertement). Les guerres, notamment, sont manufacturées pour
maintenir l'humanité débilitée et attaquer le pouvoir des nations afin
d'étendre le pouvoir de ces familles. Le bilan est lourd, ne serait ce
que pour les guerres, mais il ne s'arrète pas là, le bilan de
l'industrie est très lourd, ainsi que celui de l'économie. C'est un
bain se sang et de misère. Certains VIVENT littéralement de cela,
c'est, à proporement parler, du vampirisme. Un point intéressant est
que ce vampirisme est partagé, en effet notre niveau de vie en
occident est largement dépendant de l'utilisation que nous faisons des
peuples du tiers monde. Bref toto, elle a un drole de karma ta
famille. Mais c'est aussi un karma que nous partageons. Et il y a une
chance que je sois de cette même famille, branche d'Orléans, donc je
ne te montre pas du doigt;-)

Reslight

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"Quintal" <qui...@TAKETHISOUThotmail.com> wrote in message
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> crossposted to francom.esoterisme,fr.soc.complots,alt.conspiracy,
> fr.soc.histoire,fr.soc.religion,fr.soc.sectes
> follow-up to alt.conspiracy
> my notes are between double brackets like this: [[ ]]
>

Before getting into this, I will state that I will be giving several URLs to
various sites, written by various people. Those with "reslight" in it are
more than likely written (or at least edited) by me. I do not necessarily
agree with everything stated by other authors, but provide their links only
to support what is being discussed.

> The Rothschilds had long had a plan to create a personal fiefdom for
> themselves and the Illuminati in Palestine and that plan involved
> manipulating Jewish people to settle the area as their "homeland."
> Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati-reptilian Russell bloodline,

The whole world is counted as of the "bloodline" of the serpent through the
of sin of Adam, and by nature of that sin as "children of wrath", "sons of
disobedience," "offspring of vipers". -- Genesis 3:15; Luke 3:7; Romans
5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 2:2,3; 5:6;
Galatians 3:6; 1 John 5:19; Revelation 12:9.

Only through faith in the blood of Jesus is one reckoned [Greek, Logizomai:
imputed, counted] as justified, righteous, a "son of God", called out of the
Satan's crooked generation. -- John 1:12,13; 15:9; 17:14,16; Acts 2:40;
Romans 3:25; 4:5,24; 5:1,9,11; 6:11; 8:14-17; 1 Corinthians 2:11; Galatians
3:26; Philippians 2:15; 1 John 3:1,2.

"Faith in his blood changed them from being children of wrath under
condemnation, and made them children of God through faith, under his love
and favor. And it was not until we ceased to be condemned sinners and became
justified human sons of God, that we were invited to sacrifice our human
rights and privileges, and reckon ourselves thus followers in Jesus'
footsteps, and heirs with him of future glories" -- CT Russell.
== Watchtower, April, 1887, page 5, Reprint page 925.
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r924.htm

As we grow in grace and knowledge we are able more clearly day by day, year
by year, to appreciate the fact that the whole world was born under sin and
are children of wrath, blinded by ignorance and superstition, mentally and
physically unbalanced through the fall, and really in a terrible state, as
the Apostle declares, a "groaning creation." In proportion as we are able to
take God's standpoint in looking at the poor, fallen world, we are able to
sympathize with them, even as the Scriptures declare that God looked down
and beheld the groans of the prisoners--prisoners of sin, in captivity to
death, going down to the tomb. (Psa. 102:19,20.) We realize that they were
born in sin, shapen in iniquity, that in sin their mothers conceived
them--that in addition to this their associations with evil have all tended
to drag them downward, and that, furthermore, Satan the great adversary, a
wily foe to our race, is continually exerting his powers to blind the minds
of their understanding and to misrepresent the divine character and plan.

With all this before our minds, what sympathy it gives us for our brothers
according to the flesh, sinners, strangers, aliens, foreigners, yet
redeemed, and in [R3933 : page 37] God's gracious plan en route for the
glorious blessings of the Millennial age. We say to ourselves, If God so
loved these, if Christ died for them as well as for us, why should not we be
very merciful, very compassionate, very sympathetic with them, and do all in
our power to assist them out of darkness into God's marvellous light, out of
the ways of sin into the ways of righteousness, out of bondage to Satan into
the liberty wherewith God has made us free--the liberty of the sons of God,
which he has promised shall be available to all peoples, kindreds, nations
and tongues in the sweet by and by. -- CT Russell
Watchtower, February 1, 1904, pages 36,37; Reprint page 3933.
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r3932.htm

> was the man who founded the Watchtower Society, better known as the
> Jehovah's Witnesses.

Charles Taze Russell was the main founder of the Watchtower Society, but he
was not the founder of "Jehovah's Witnesses". Russell did not believe in
such
an organization,
http://www.nsbible.org/pastor_not_founder.htm
http://www.freeminds.org/history/rutherfd.htm
and preached against the formation of such an organization
until his death.

http://www.agsconsulting.com/volumes/htdb0140.htm
http://www.nsbible.org/sits_v6/v6s5.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbv5/r1847.htm
(the above three written by CT Russell)

Nor did Russell believe in many of the main doctrines of the JWs.
http://www.food4jws.org/faq/prjw.htm

After Mr. Russell died, Rutherford, through deceit, gained control of the
Watchtower Society and used that legal business corporation as a basis to
form a new religious organization, basically with himself as its head, which
he named "Jehovah's Witnesses". Most of the Bible Students who had been
associated with the movement before 1914 did not go along with the
Rutheford's new organization and his new teachings, and little by little,
over the years (mostly from 1917 to 1935) stopped supporting the Watchtower
Society. BTW, the Bible Students movement existed *before* there was any
Watchtower Society.

> He was a Satanist,

I have no reason to believe this.

> a paedophile according to his
> wife,

She never accused him of sexually abusing anyone.

Mrs. Russell became angry at her husband for not supporting and printing her
views on women's rights, in which she misrepresented many scriptures. As a
result, she began to seek all kinds of ways to discredit her husband. Mr.
Russell did not get a chance to furnish any testimony in court because the
trial judge discerned that no sexual immorality was being charged in Mrs.
Russell's unsubstantiated testimony and ordered everything concerning this
matter be stricken from the court records.

> and most certainly Illuminati.

In view of Russell's works and teachings, it is totally silly to think that
he was secretly sabotaging his own life's works and teachings.

For the truth about Russell, see:
http://reslight.addr.com/l-russell.html

> His new "religion" (mind-control
> cult)

What new religion? What mind control cult? Remember, Russell did not believe
in an organization as the JWs have today, nor was he the founder of such an
organization.
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r3745.htm
(written by CT Russell)

> was funded by the Rothschilds and he was a friend of theirs,

As far as the funding of the WTS, Russell funded this mostly from his own
funds which he had from the sale of his business chain.

While Russell did write a letter to Baron Rothschild concerning the Jews'
return to Israel; I don't find anything that shows any particular friendship
that existed between him and the Rothschilds. Indeed, as far as I have been
able to ascertain, it appears that Mr. Rothschild never even answered Mr.
Russell's letter.
http://tinyurl.com/4dbh3
(various comments in Russell's writings concerning the Rothschilds.)

> just like the founders of the Mormons who were also Rothschild-funded
> through Kuhn, Loeb, and Co. Russell and the Mormon founders were all
> Freemasons.

This is silly; of course Russell was not a freemason.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/reslight/files/Russell/
http://www.pastor-russell.com/life/mason1.html
http://www.pastor-russell.com/life/mason2.html

http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/freemason1.htm
also at:
http://tinyurl.com/3n536

http://tinyurl.com/4cy8f
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry03.html
http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousnon.htm
http://www.davidicke.net/religiousfrauds/jw/pastorrussell.html

> In 1880, Charles Taze Russell, this friend of the
> Rothschilds, predicted that the Jews would return to their homeland.
> It was about the only prediction Russell ever got right. Why? Because
> he knew that was the plan.

Mr. Russell realized it was part of the divine plan of God for his people to
return to Israel. He also knew by certain time features of the Bible that
the time had come for the Jews to return to Israel. This, however, was only
a small part of what Russell believed.
http://www.agsconsulting.com/volumes/htdb0103.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r544.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r2149.htm
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r2360.htm


> He wrote to the Rothschilds praising their
> efforts to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

As far as I can find, he only wrote one letter to the Rothschilds, offering
suggestions concerning the Jewish purchase of land, etc.
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r1342.htm

As far as I have been able to ascertain, Russell never received any reply:
http://www.agsconsulting.com/htdbnon/r1374b.htm

In service of Jesus,
Ronald


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