communisme et nazisme, extrème gauche et extrème droite
Quintal
perdu si vous n'avez pas lu mes citations du jour sur fr.soc.complots
(le coeur du message est au deuxième paragraphe)
"nous entendons souvent parler de la droite contre la gauche, mais
qu'est ce que ces termes signifient vraiment? par exemple, on nous dit
que les communistes et les socialistes sont d'extrème gauche, et que
les nazis et les fascistes sont d'extrème droite. Nous avons là deux
forces idéologiques puissantes montées l'une contre l'autre, et
l'impression est que, d'une certaine façon, elles sont opposées. Mais,
quelle est la différence? Elles ne sont pas opposées du tout. Elles
sont les mêmes. Les insignes peuvent êtres différents, mais quand vous
analysez le communisme et le nazisme, ils incarnent tous les deux les
principes du socialisme. Les communistes ne font pas mystère de leur
idéal socialiste, et le mouvement nazi en allemagne était appelé le
"parti socialiste national" (nazional socialismus en allemand).
Les communistes croient au socialisme international, alors que les
nazis se font les avocats du socialisme national. Les communistes
promeuvent la haine de classe et le conflit de classe pour motiver la
loyauté et l'obéissance a veugle de leurs suiveurs (disciples?), là
où les nazis utilisent le conflit racial et la haine de race pour
atteindre les mêmes objectifs.
A part ça, il n'y a absolument aucune différence entre le communisme
et le socialisme. Ils sont tous deux l'epitome (le comble) du
collectivisme, et pourtant on nous les présente comme étant aux
extrémités opposées du spectre idéologique!
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http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/granddeception.htm
We often hear about right-wingers versus left-wingers, but what do
these terms really mean? For example, we are told that Communists and
Socialists are at the extreme Left, and the Nazis and Fascists are on
the extreme Right. Here we have two powerful ideological forces pitted
against each other, and the impression is that, somehow, they are
opposites. But, what is the difference? They are not opposites at all.
They are the same. The insignias may be different, but when you
analyze Communism and Nazism, they both embody the principles of
Socialism. Communists make no bones about Socialism being their ideal,
and the Nazi movement in Germany was actually called the National
Socialist Party. Communists believe in international Socialism,
whereas Nazis advocate national Socialism. Communists promote class
hatred and class conflict to motivate the loyalty and blind obedience
of their followers, whereas the Nazis use race conflict and race
hatred to accomplish the same objective. Other than that, there is
absolutely no difference between Communism and Nazism. They are both
the epitome of collectivism, and yet we are told they are, supposedly,
at opposite ends of the spectrum!
CubaLibre
"Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
3oqetvk40d6ekf34i...@4ax.com...
Ca doit être un anglo-saxon pour écrire un tel tissus de conneries.
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Philippe Camus
> "Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message
> de news: 3oqetvk40d6ekf34i...@4ax.com...
>
> Ca doit être un anglo-saxon pour écrire un tel tissus de conneries.
Il a pas besoin, c'est un petit nazillon qui cherche une nouvelle virginité.
Philippe Camus
Quintal
camus me traite de facho et ici de nazi même, depuis que je dis que le
communisme est du fascisme organisé par les élites capitalistes,
depuis sa création même.
c'est toute la valeur de son argumentation et de son accusation.
sans doute que mon affirmation chatouille son affiliation idéologique
et politique.
Julien Arlandis
Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
>3oqetvk40d6ekf34i...@4ax.com...
>
>Ca doit être un anglo-saxon pour écrire un tel tissus de conneries.
vivent les anglo saxons
il faut vraiment etre français pour croire que l'état tyrannique
résout tous les problèmes mdr
CubaLibre
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:14 +0100, "Philippe Camus"
> camus me traite de facho et ici de nazi même, depuis que je dis que le
> communisme est du fascisme organisé par les élites capitalistes,
> depuis sa création même.
Il est donc inutile de te demander si tu as une vague idée
des préceptes marxiste-léniniste.
Je suis toujours étonné lorsqu'un intervenant tient absolument
a se faire passer pour un crétin inculte.
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CubaLibre
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:28:01 +0100, "CubaLibre"
> vivent les anglo saxons
> il faut vraiment etre français pour croire que l'état tyrannique
Il faut vraiment être un stupide anglo-saxon pour ne pas se rendre
compte que l'état est la source de tout leurs maux.
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Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
>hpeftv0tuaplhq7td...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:14 +0100, "Philippe Camus"
>
>> camus me traite de facho et ici de nazi même, depuis que je dis que le
>> communisme est du fascisme organisé par les élites capitalistes,
>> depuis sa création même.
>
>Il est donc inutile de te demander si tu as une vague idée
>des préceptes marxiste-léniniste.
aucune en effet
>Je suis toujours étonné lorsqu'un intervenant tient absolument
>a se faire passer pour un crétin inculte.
toto, sois donc étonné...ça te rend moins borné;-)
Philippe Camus
>
> Il est donc inutile de te demander si tu as une vague idée
> des préceptes marxiste-léniniste.
>
> Je suis toujours étonné lorsqu'un intervenant tient absolument
> a se faire passer pour un crétin inculte.
C'est le résultat d'une culture uniquement faite par internet et radio faf,
il sait pas grands chose mais il tient à le faire savoir :-)))
Philippe camus
Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
>ghogtvo7racldr1cl...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:28:01 +0100, "CubaLibre"
>
>> vivent les anglo saxons
>> il faut vraiment etre français pour croire que l'état tyrannique
il faut etre quoi pour tronquer une citation au milieu d'une phrase?
Quintal
<xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:49:08 +0100, "CubaLibre"
><sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
>>hpeftv0tuaplhq7td...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:14 +0100, "Philippe Camus"
>>
>>> camus me traite de facho et ici de nazi même, depuis que je dis que le
>>> communisme est du fascisme organisé par les élites capitalistes,
>>> depuis sa création même.
>>
>>Il est donc inutile de te demander si tu as une vague idée
>>des préceptes marxiste-léniniste.
>
>aucune en effet
pourtant il y a un beau précepte marxiste que tu pourras difficilement
nier qui se trouve dans "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" que je viens de
citer, qui reprend le manifeste communiste de marx :
http://www.survivalistskills.com/NONEDARE.HTM
All those who have sought dictatorial control over modern nations have
understood the necessity of a central bank. When The League of Just
Men hired a hack revolutionary named Karl Marx to write a blue-print
for conquest called The Communist Manifesto, the fifth plank read:
"Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a
national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly." Lenin was
later to write that the establishment of a central bank was ninety
percent of communizing a country! Such conspirators knew that you
cannot take control of a nation without military force unless that
nation has a central bank through which you can control its economy.
The anarchist Bakunin sarcastically remarked of the followers of Karl
Marx: "They have one foot in the bank and one foot in the socialist
movement."
Tous ceux qui ont recherché le contrôle dictatorial sur les nations
modernes ont compris la nécessité d'une banque centrale. Quand la
"ligue des hommes justes" embaucha un (hack?) révolutionnaire nommé
Karl Marx pour écrire un plan de conquète commé le Manifeste
Communiste, la cinquième planche lit : "Centralisation du crédit dans
les mains de l'Etat, par le moyen d'une banque nationale avec capital
d'Etat et monopole exclusif." Lénine écrit plus tard que
l'établissement d'une banque centrale était quatre-vingt-dix pour
cent de la communisation d'un pays! De tels conspirateurs savaient que
vous ne pouvez pas prendre le contrôle d'une nation sans force
militaire à moins que cette nation ait une banque centrale à travers
laquelle vous pouvez contrôler son économie. L'anarchiste Bakunin
remarqua sarcastiquement des disciples de Karl Marx: "Ils ont un pied
dans la banque et un pied dans le mouvement socialiste."
Jean-Charles
Dis lui donc que la révolution russe a été financée par les banquiers
américains.
--
JC
CubaLibre
> >Il est donc inutile de te demander si tu as une vague idée
> >des préceptes marxiste-léniniste.
> aucune en effet
Merci de nous confirmer que tu t'exprimes sous l'emprise de l'ignorance.
> >Je suis toujours étonné lorsqu'un intervenant tient absolument
> >a se faire passer pour un crétin inculte.
> toto, sois donc étonné...ça te rend moins borné;-)
Le fait que je sois moins borné ne te rend pas plus cultivé.
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CubaLibre
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> CubaLibre wrote:
> C'est le résultat d'une culture uniquement faite par internet et radio
faf,
> il sait pas grands chose mais il tient à le faire savoir :-)))
En effet, d'ou le doux refuge dans l'ésotérisme : Pratique, confortable et
peu couteux intellectuellement.
--
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CubaLibre
1g5sk1w.ucyodkaehaatN%j...@qui.net...
> Quintal <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:14 +0100, "Philippe Camus"
> Dis lui donc que la révolution russe a été financée par les banquiers
> américains.
"On" dit la même chose de la révolution cubaine, ce qui évidemment
a de quoi faire rire.
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CubaLibre
> il faut etre quoi pour tronquer une citation au milieu d'une phrase?
Il faut être lucide de la nocivité du virus ultra-libéral qui infecte
les esprits faibles et veules.
En somme, tu bottes en touche faute d'argument, le lecteur sera juge.
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pinguy
> Il faut être lucide de la nocivité du virus ultra-libéral qui infecte
> les esprits faibles et veules.
C'est marrant, bien que passant pour un libéral, j'accorde beaucoup
d'importance à la notion de réussite de groupe, d'équipe, etc....
Tu es sur que cela est incompatible ?
Stef
CubaLibre
3fd9a222$0$24025$626a...@news.free.fr...
> Salut CubaLibre
Salut Pinguy
Non, absolument pas, tout dépend ce que l'on entend
par le groupe, et ce qu'on y met dedans.
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Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
>sd3htv4npn5msq826...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:49:08 +0100, "CubaLibre"
>> <sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Il est donc inutile de te demander si tu as une vague idée
>> >des préceptes marxiste-léniniste.
>
>> aucune en effet
>
>Merci de nous confirmer que tu t'exprimes sous l'emprise de l'ignorance.
comment pourrais je confirmer tes croyances et préjugés, qui sont par
nature irréfutables?
je ne pourrais pas non plus les infirmer c'est pourquoi je
n'argumenterai pas avec toi sur ce point.
as tu répondu à ma citation d'un point du manifeste communiste de marx
qui a trait au monopole bancaire national?
>> >Je suis toujours étonné lorsqu'un intervenant tient absolument
>> >a se faire passer pour un crétin inculte.
>
>> toto, sois donc étonné...ça te rend moins borné;-)
>
>Le fait que je sois moins borné ne te rend pas plus cultivé.
chéri, être cultivé c'est aussi être programmé et borné,
malheureusement, donc ne rien connaitre du marxisme me permet de
l'aborder avec une pensée libre et féconde mdr
mais comme tu balaies tout ça d'un revers de la main (borné mdr), je
parie que tu dirais encore une connerie sur "tragedy and hope" de
voyons quel est son nom;-)
Quilby ou un truc du genre)
Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Philippe Camus" <cadiq...@club-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de
>news: 3fd89a21$0$6976$7a62...@news.club-internet.fr...
>> CubaLibre wrote:
>
>> C'est le résultat d'une culture uniquement faite par internet et radio
>faf,
>> il sait pas grands chose mais il tient à le faire savoir :-)))
bien sur que je tiens à faire savoir que le socialisme (ce qui inclut
communisme et nazisme) est créé et soutenu par les élites mondiales.
Ca peut te semble rpeu, mais déjà tu le nies stupidement mdr, et
ensuite imagine un peu (enfin je parle au forum lol) ce que ça
changerait si celà était compris et connu.
il ne s'agit pas de favoriser un autre système (enfin autre en
apparence), voir à ce sujet la citation sur le fabianisme qui montre
que communisme et "démocratie" sont les deux revers de la meme
médaille collectiviste socialiste tyrannique mdr
>En effet, d'ou le doux refuge dans l'ésotérisme : Pratique, confortable et
>peu couteux intellectuellement.
bah je t'attends mon gars, tu sembles à des années lumières de saisir
les concepts de base de "tragedy and hope", c'est sans doute l'excès
d'éducation (qui a dit lavage de cerveau?)
Quintal
déjà fait, il nie.
Quintal
le rire de l'ignorant volontaire?
Quintal
argument? mais pour répondre à quoi??
à ça?
"Il faut vraiment être un stupide anglo-saxon pour ne pas se rendre
compte que l'état est la source de tout leurs maux."
mais c'est exactement ce que disent les anglo saxons que je cite, que
l'état est la source de tous leurs maux
alors quel argument voudrais tu que je réponde mdr
Yksis
>
Lâche ton joujou Xavier, je t'ai dit il est grillé sur plein de forums pour
ses insultes et ses opinions révisionnistes.
au fait j'ai trouvé le hamster s'appelle idéfix et ça me rappelle quelque
chose à moi aussi.
CubaLibre
> chéri, être cultivé c'est aussi être programmé et borné,
> malheureusement, donc ne rien connaitre du marxisme me permet de
> l'aborder avec une pensée libre et féconde mdr
Pourquoi en rajouter aux vues de tant de conneries.
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Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
tiens ma biche, pour ton éducation
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ESTABLISHING THE ESTABLISHMENT
Chapter 5 of 'None dare Call It Conspiracy' by Gary Allen
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One of the primary reasons the Insiders worked behind the scenes to
foment WWI was to create in its aftermath a world government. If you
wish to establish national monopolies, you must control national
governments. If you wish to establish international monopolies or
cartels, you must control a world government.
After the Armistice on November 11, 1918, Woodrow Wilson and his alter
ego, "Colonel" House (the ever present front man for the lnsiders),
went to Europe in hopes of establishing a world government in the form
of the League of Nations. When the negotiations revealed one side had
been about as guilty as the other, and the glitter of the "moral
crusade" evaporated along with Wilson's vaunted "Fourteen Points," the
"rubes back on Main Street" began to waken. Reaction and
disillusionment set in.
Americans certainly didn't want to get into a World Government with
double-dealing Europeans whose specialty was secret treaty hidden
behind secret treaty. The guest of honor, so to speak, stalked out of
the banquet before the poisoned meal could be served. And, without
American inclusion, there could be no meaningful World Government.
Aroused public opinion made it obvious that the U.S. Senate dared not
ratify a treaty saddling the country with such an internationalist
commitment. In some manner the American public had to be sold on the
idea of internationalism and World Government. Again, the key was
"Colonel" House.
House had set down his political ideas in his book called "Philip Dru:
Administrator" in 1912. in this book House laid out a thinly
fictionalized plan for conquest of America by establishing "Socialism
as dreamed by Karl Marx." He described a "conspiracy" - the word is
his - which succeeds in electing a US President by means of "deception
regarding his real opinions and intentions." Among other things, House
wrote that the conspiracy was to insinuate "itself into the primaries,
in order that no candidate might be nominated whose views were not in
accord with theirs." Elections were to become mere charades conducted
for the bedazzlement of the booboisie. The idea was to use both the
Democrat and Republican parties as instruments to promote World
Government.
In 1919 House met in Paris with members of a British "secret society"
called The Round Table in order to form an organization whose job it
would be to propagandize the citizens of America, England and Western
Europe on the globes of World Government. The big selling point, of
course was "peace." The part about the Insiders establishing a world
dictatorship quite naturally was left out.
The Round Table organization in England grew out of the life-long
dream of gold and diamond magnate Cecil Rhodes for a "new world
order."
Rhodes' biographer Sara Millin was a little more direct. As she put
it: "The government of the world was Rhodes' simple desire." QuigIey
notes:
"In the middle 1890's Rhodes had a personal income of at least a
million pounds sterling a year (then about five million dollars) which
he spent so freely for his mysterious purposes that he was usually
overdrawn on his account ..."
Cecil Rhodes' commitment to a conspiracy to establish World Government
was set down in a series of wills described by Frank Aydelotte in his
book American Rhodes Scholarships. Aydelotte writes:
"The seven wills which Cecil Rhodes made between the ages of 24 and 46
[Rhodes died at age forty-eight] constitute a kind of spiritual
autobiography . . . Best known are the first (the Secret Society
Will... ), and the last, which established the Rhodes Scholarships.
In his first will Rhodes states his aim still more specifically: 'The
extension of British rule throughout the world .... the foundation of
so great a power as to hereafter render wars impossible and promote
the interests of humanity.'
The 'Confession of Faith' enlarges upon these ideas. The model for
this proposed secret society was the Society of Jesus, though he
mentions also the Masons."
It should be noted that the originator of this type of secret society
was Adam Weishaupt, the monster who rounded the Order of Illuminati on
May 1, 1776, for the purpose of conspiracy to control the world. The
role of Weishaupt's Illuminists in such horrors as the Reign of Terror
is unquestioned, and the techniques of the Illuminati have long been
recognized as models for Communist methodology. Weishaupt also used
the structure of the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) as his model, and
rewrote his Code in Masonic terms. Aydelotte continues:
"In 1888 Rhodes made his third will . .. leaving everything to Lord
Rothschild [his financier in mining enterprises], with an accompanying
letter enclosing 'the written matter discussed between us.' This, one
surmises, consisted of the first will and the 'Confession of Faith,'
since in a postscript Rhodes says 'in considering questions suggested
take Constitution of the Jesuits if obtainable ...."'
Apparently for strategic reasons Lord Rothschild was subsequently
removed from the forefront of the scheme. Professor Quigley reveals
that Lord Rosebury "replaced his father-in-law, Lord Rothschild, in
Rhodes' secret group and was made a Trustee under Rhodes' next (and
last), will."
The "secret society" was organized on the conspiratorial pattern of
circles within circles. Professor Ouigley informs us that the central
part o[ the "secret society" was established by March, 1891, using
Rhodes' money. The organization was run for Rothschild by Lord Alfred
Milner, discussed in the last chapter as a key financier of the
Bolshevik revolution. The Round Table worked behind the scenes at the
highest levels of British government, influencing foreign policy and
England's involvement and conduct of WWI. According to Professor
Quigley:
"At the end o[ the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization
of this system [the Round Table Group] had to be greatly extended.
Once again the task was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in
England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing Round
Table Group. This front organization, called the Royal Institute of
International Affairs, had as its nucleus in each area the existing
submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council
on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J.P. Morgan and Company in
association with the very small American Round Table Group. The
American organizers were dominated by the large number of Morgan
experts,' . . . who had gone to the Paris Peace Conference and there
became close friends with the similar group of English 'experts' which
had been recruited by the Milner group. In fact, the original plans
for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on
Foreign Relations [C.F.R.] were drawn up in Paris..."
Joseph Kraft (C.F.R.), however, tells us in Harper's of July 1958,
that the chief agent in the formal founding of the Council on Foreign
Relations was "Colonel" House, supported by such protegees as Walter
Lippmann, John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles and Christian Herter. It
was House who acted as host for the Round Table group, both English
and American, at the key meeting of May 19, 1919, in the Majestic
Hotel, Paris, which committed the conspiracy to creation of the C.F.R.
Although Quigley stresses the importance of Morgan men at the creation
of the organization known as the Council on Foreign Relations, this
organization's own materials and "Colonel" House's own memoirs reveal
his function as midwife at the birth of the C.F.R.
The C.F.R.'s Twenty-Fifth Annual Report tells us this of the C.F.R.'s
founding at Paris:
"... the Institute of International Affairs rounded at Paris in 1919
was comprised, at the outset, of two branches, one in the United
Kingdom and one in the US. . ."
Later the plan was changed to create an ostensible autonomy because,
"... it seemed unwise to set up a single institute with branches." It
had to be made to appear that the C.F.R in America, and the R.I.I.A.
in Britain, were really independent bodies, lest the American public
become aware the C.F.R. was in fact a subsidiary of the Round Table
Group and react in patriotic fury.
According to Ouigley, the most important financial dynasties in
America following WWI were (in addition to Morgan) the Rockefeller
family; Kuhn, Loeb & Company; Dillon Read and Company and Brown Bros
Harriman. All were represented in the C.F.R. and Paul Warburg was one
of the incorporators. The Insider crowd which created the Federal
Reserve System, many of whom also bankrolled the Bolshevik Revolution,
were all in the original membership. In addition to Paul Warburg,
founders of the C.F.R. included international financial Insiders Jacob
Schiff, Averell Harriman, Frank Vanderlip, Nelson Aldrich, Bernard
Baruch, J.P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller. These men did not create
the C.F.R. because they had nothing better to do with their time and
money. They created it as a tool to further their ambitions.
The C.F.R. has come to be known as "The Establishment," "the invisible
government" and "the Rockefeller foreign office." This semi-secret
organization unquestionably has become the most influential group in
America.
One of the extremely infrequent articles to appear in the national
press concerning this Council was published in the Christian Science
Monitor of September 1, 1961. It began this way:
"On the west side of fashionable Park Avenue at 68th Street [in New
York City] sit two handsome buildings across the way from each other.
One is the Soviet Embassy to the United Nations.... Directly opposite
on the southwest corner is the Council on Foreign Relations - probably
one of the most influential semi-public organizations in the field of
foreign policy."
Although the formal membership in the C.F.R. is composed of close to
1500 of the most elite names in the worlds of government, labor,
business, finance, communications, the foundations, and the academy -
and despite the fact that it has staffed almost every key position of
every administration since those of FDR - it is doubtful that one
American in a thousand so much as recognizes the Council's name, or
that one in ten thousand can relate anything at all about its
structure or purpose. Indicative of the C.F.R.'s power to maintain its
anonymity is the fact that, despite its having been operative at the
highest levels for nearly fifty years and having from the beginning
counted among its members the foremost lions of the Establishment
communications media, we discovered after poring over volumes of the
Readers' Guide To Periodical Literature covering several decades that
only one magazine article on the C.F.R. has ever appeared in a major
national journal - and that in Harper's, hardly a mass-circulation
periodical. Similarly, only a handful of articles on the Council have
appeared in the nation's great newspapers. Such anonymity - at that
level - can hardly be a matter of mere chance.
What makes this secret organization so influential? No one who knows
for a certainty will say. The Christian Science Monitor, which is
edited by a member of the American Round Table (a branch of Milner's
secret society) did not in the article of September 1, 1961, that "its
roster ... contains names distinguished in the field of diplomacy,
government, business, finance, science, labor, journalism, law and
education. What united so wide-ranging and disparate a membership is a
passionate concern for the direction of American foreign policy."
The Christian Science Monitor indicates the fantastic power the C.F.R.
has had during the last six administrations:
"Because of the Council's single-minded dedication to studying and
deliberating American foreign policy, there is a constant flow of its
members from private to public service. Almost half of the Council
members have been invited to assume official government positions or
to act as consultants at one time or another." [Emphasis added]
The policies promoted by the C.F.R. in the fields of defense and
international relations become, with a regularity which defies the
laws of chance, the official policies of the United States Government.
As Liberal columnist Joseph Kraft, himself a member of the C.F.R.,
noted of the Council in the Harper's article: "It has been the seat of
some basic government decisions, has set the context for many more,
and has repeatedly served as a recruiting ground for ranking
officials." Kraft incidentally, aptly titled his article on the
C.F.R., "School for Statesmen" - an admission that the members of the
Council are drilled with a "line" of strategy to be carried out in
Washington.
As World War II approached, the Round Table Group was influential in
seeing that Hitler was not stopped in Austria, the Rhineland, or
Sudetenland - and thereby was largely responsible for precipitating
the holocaust. A second world war would greatly enhance the
opportunity for establishment of World Government. The financing for
Adolph Hitler's rise to power was handled through the
Warburg-controlled Mendelsohn Bank of Amsterdam and later by the J.
Henry Schroeder Bank with branches in Frankfurt, London and New York.
Chief legal counsel to the J. Henry Schroeder Bank was the firm of
Sullivan and Cromwell whose senior partners included John Foster and
Allen Dulles, (See James Martin's All Honorable Men, Little Brown Co.,
New York, 1950, p. 51. See also Ouigley, p. 433.)
With the Round Table doing its work in Europe, the C.F.R. carried the
ball in the United States. The Council's first task was to infiltrate
and develop effective control or the U.S. State Department - to make
certain that after World War II there would be no slip-ups as there
had been following World War I. The story of the C.F.R. takeover of
the Department of State is contained in State Department Publication
2349, Report To The President On The Results of the San Francisco
Conference. It is the report of Secretary of State Edward R.
Stettinius (C.F.R.) to President Truman. On page twenty we find:
"With the outbreak of war in Europe it was clear that the United
States would be confronted, after the war, with new and exceptional
problems .... Accordingly, a Committee on Post-War Problems was up
before the US entered the war], at the suggestion of the C.F.R. The
Committee consisted of high officials of the Department of State [all
but one of whom were C.F.R. members]. It was assisted by a research
staff [provided by, financed by, and directed by the C.F.R.], which in
February, 1941, was organized into a Division of Special Research [and
went off the C.F.R. payroll and onto that of the State Department].
[After Pearl Harbor] the research facilities were rapidly expanded,
and the Departmental Committee on Post-War Problems was reorganized
into an Advisory Committee on Post-War Foreign Policies [completely
staffed by the C.F.R.]." (See also the C.F.R.'s booklet, A Record of
Twenty Years, 1921-1947.)
This is the Group which designed the United Nations - the first major
successful step on the road to a World Superstate. At least
forty-seven C.F.R. members were among the American delegates to the
rounding of the United Nations in San Francisco in 1945. Members of
the C.F.R. group included Harold Stassen, John J. McCloy, Owen
Lattimore (called by the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee a
"conscious articulate instrument of the Soviet conspiracy"), Alger
Hiss (Communist spy), Philip Jessup, Harry Dexter White (Communist
agent), Nelson Rockefeller, John Foster Dulles, John Carter Vincent
(security risk), and Dean Acheson. Just to make sure that Communist
Party members understood the importance of the U.N. establishment,
Political Affairs, the Party's official theoretical journal, in the
April 1945 issue, gave the order:
"Great popular support and enthusiasm for the United Nations policies
should be built up, well organized and fully articulate. But it is
also necessary to do more than that. The opposition must be rendered
so impotent that it will be unable to gather any significant support
in the Senate against the United Nations Charter and the treaties
which will follow."
One wonders if the boobs at the Party level ever questioned why they
were to support an organization dominated by the hated "Wall Street"
personalities. The landscape painters of the mass media have outdone
themselves painting the U.N. as a peace organization instead of a
front for the international bankers.
Not only did members of the Council on Foreign Relations dominate the
establishment of the UN, but the C.F.R. members were at the elbow of
the American President at Teheran, Potsdam and Yalta - where hundreds
of millions of human beings were delivered into the hands Joseph
Stalin, vastly extending the power of the International Communist
Conspiracy. Administrative assistant to FDR during this time was a key
member of the C.F.R. named Laughlin Currie - subsequently identified
by J. Edgar Hoover as a Soviet agent.
So completely has the C.F.R. dominated the State Department over the
past thirty-eight years that every Secretary of State except Cordell
Hull, James Byrnes, and William Rogers has been a member of the C.F.R.
While Rogers is not a member, Professor Henry Kissinger, Mr. Nixon's
chief foreign policy advisor, came to the job from the staff of the
C.F.R., and the undersecretaries of state, almost to a man, are C.F.R.
members.
Today the C.F.R, remains active in working towards its final goal of a
government over all the world - a government which the Insiders and
their allies will control. The goal of the C.F.R. is simply to abolish
the United States with its Constitutional guarantees of liberty. And
they don't even try to hide it. Study No. 7, published by the C.F.R.
on November 25, 1959, openly advocates "building a new international
order [which] must be responsive to world aspirations for peace. [and]
for social and economic change . . . an international order [code word
for world government] ... including states labeling themselves as
'Socialist' [Communist]."
The reason is evident to those who have studied its membership for
this little known semi-secret organization to be called "the
Establishment." (See Chart 7) International banking organizations that
currently have men in the C.F.R. include Kuhn, Loeb & Company; Lazard
Freres (directly affiliated with Rothschild); Dillon Read; Lehman
Bros.; Goldman, Sachs; Chase Manhattan Bank; Morgan Guaranty Bank;
Brown Bros. Harriman; First National City Bank; Chemical bank & Trust,
and Manufacturers Hanover Trust Bank.
Among the major corporations that have men in the C.F.R. are Standard
Oil, IBM, Eastman Kodak, Pan American, Firestone, U.S. Steel, General
Electric and American Telephone and Telegraph Company.
Also in the C.F.R. are men from such openly Leftist organizations as
the Fabian Socialist Americans for Democratic Action, the avowedly
Socialist League for Industrial Democracy - (formerly the
Intercollegiate Socialist Society), and the United World Federalists
which openly advocates world government with the Communists. Such
devotedly Socialist labor leaders as the late Walter Reuther, David
Dubinsky and Jay Lovestone have also been members of the C.F.R. In
theory, these men and organizations are supposed to be the blood
enemies of the banks and businesses listed above. Yet they all belong
to the same lodge. You can see why that fact is not advertised.
The C F.R. is totally interlocked with the major foundations and
so-called "Think Tanks." Included in the interlock are the
Rockefeller, Ford and Carnegie foundations and the Rand Corporation,
Hudson Institute, Fund for the Republic and Brookings Institute "Think
Tanks."
The fact that the C.F.R. operates in near-complete anonymity can
hardly be accidental. Among the communications corporations
represented in the C.F.R. are National Broadcasting Corporation,
Columbia Broadcasting System, Time, Fortune, Look, Newsweek, New York
Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, New York Post, Denver Post,
Louisville Courier Journal, Minneapolis Tribune, the Knight papers,
McGraw-Hill, Simon & Schuster, Harper Bros., Random House, Little
Brown & Co., Macmillan Co., Viking Press, Saturday Review, Business
Week and Book of the Month Club. Surely the C.F.R. could get a few
blurbs of publicity if publicity were desired. If it seems impossible
that one entity could control such a vast array of firms, it is
because most people do not know that the so-called founders of such
giants as the New York Times and NBC were chosen, financed and
directed by Morgan, Schiff and their allies. The case of Adolph Ochs
of the Times and David Sarnoff of RCA are examples of this control.
Both were given early financial aid by Kuhn, Loeb & Company and Morgan
Guaranty.
These are the Establishment's official landscape painters whose jobs
it is to make sure the public does not discover the C.F.R. and its
role in creating a world socialist dictatorship.
You will recall that "Colonel" House believed we should have two
political parties but only a single ideology - One World socialism.
This is exactly what we have in this country today. Although there are
philosophical differences between the grass roots Democrats and the
grass roots Republicans, yet as you move up the party ladders these
differences become less and less distinguishable until finally the
ladders disappear behind the Establishment's managed news curtain and
come together at the apex under the control of the C.F.R. In 1968,
when George Wallace maintained that there wasn't a dime's worth of
difference between the two parties, he may not have known how right he
was or why.
The following are so-called Democrats who have been or now are C.F.R.
agents: Dean Acheson, Alger Hiss, Adlai Stevenson, John Kennedy,
Robert Kennedy, Edward Kennedy, Averell Harriman, George Ball, Henry
Fowler, Dean Rusk, Adam Yarmolinsky, Hubert Humphrey and John Lindsay.
It is interesting to note that rewards of easy jobs were given by the
international bankers to many men high in the LBJ administration for
their services. Undersecretary of State George Ball went with Lehman
Brothers; Secretary of the Treasury Henry Fowler was taken in by
Goldman, Sachs & Co.; Budget Director Peter Lewis, Undersecretary of
the Treasury Frederick Deming and former Secretary of Commerce C.R.
Smith all avoided the bread lines by being picked up by Lazard Freres
(Rothschilds). Fowler and Deming were largely responsible for policies
which led to European nations claiming half of our gold (and having
potential claims on the rest) as well as denuding the U S Treasury of
all of the silver reserves It had built up over a century of time. Did
the international bankers take pity on these men for their
incompetence or were they rewarded for a job well done?
Controlling the Republican Party for the C.F.R. have been Dwight D.
Eisenhower, John Foster Dulles, Thomas E. Dewey, Jacob Javits, Robert
McNamara, Henry Cabot Lodge, Paul Hoffman, John Gardner, the
Rockefeller clan, Elliott Richardson, Arthur Burns, Henry Kissinger
and Richard Nixon.
While it is true that every administration since FDR has been
dominated by the C.F.R., the Nixon Administration has set an all-time
record by appointing over 110 C.F.R. members to key positions. Henry
Kissinger, the "Colonel" House of the Nixon Administration, came to
his job directly from employment on the C.F.R. staff. Kissinger
represents the very opposite of everything Nixon said he stood for in
his campaign. Both Liberals and Conservatives admit Kissinger is by
far the most important man in the Nixon Administration.
Administrations, both Democrat and Republican, come and go - but the
C.F.R. lingers on. This is why the more things seem to change, the
more they remain the same. The fix is in at the top, where the same
coterie of Insiders, bent on control of the world, runs the show. As
professor Quigley admits:
"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international
... network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical
Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may
identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating
with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so."
[Emphasis added.]
Yes the Insiders have no aversion to working with the Communists whose
ostensible goal is to destroy them. While the Insiders are serving
champagne and caviar to their guests in their summer mansions at
Newport, or entertaining other members of the social elite aboard
their yachts, their agents are out enslaving and murdering people. And
you are next on their list.
Clearly, the Chicago Tribune's editorial of December 9, 1950, on the
C.F.R. still applies:
"The members of the Council [on Foreign Relations] are persons of much
more than average influence in their community. They have used the
prestige, that their wealth, their social position, and their
education have given them to lead their country toward bankruptcy and
military debacle. They should look at their hands. There is blood on
them - the dried blood of the last war and the fresh blood of the
present one [the Korean War]."
It goes without saying that the C.F.R.'s hands are bloodier now with
the gore over 50,000 Americans in Vietnam. Shamefully the Council has
succeeded in promoting, as American policy, the shipment of American
aid and trade to the East European arsenal of the Viet Cong for the
killing of our sons in the field.
It should not be surprising to learn that there is on the
international level an organizational equivalent of the C.F.R. This
group calls itself the Bilderbergers. If scarcely one American in a
thousand has any familiarity with the C.F.R., it is doubtful that one
in five thousand has any knowledge of the Bilderbergers. Again, this
is not accidental.
The strange name of this group is taken from the site of the first
meeting in May, 1954 - the Hotel de Bilderberg - in Oostebeek,
Holland. The man who created the Bilderbergers is His Royal Highness
Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. The Prince is an important figure
in Royal Dutch Petroleum (Shell Oil) and the Societe General de
Belgique, a huge conglomerate cartel with world-wide holdings. The
BiIderbergers meet once - or sometimes twice - a year. Those in
attendance include leading political and financial figures from the
United States and Western Europe. Prince Bernhard makes no effort to
hide the fact that the ultimate goal of the Bilderbergers is a world
government. In the meantime, while the "new world order" is being
built the efforts of the European and American power elites.
Prince Bernhard's counterpart among the American Bilderbergers is
David Rockefeller, Chairman of the board of the C.F.R. whose economic
base is the giant Chase Manhattan Bank and Standard Oil. Among the
other Bilderbergers from the world of ultra-high finance are Baron
Edmund de Rothschild of the House of Rothschild, C. Douglas Dillon
(C.F.R.) of Dillon Read & Co., Robert McNamara of the World bank, Sir
Eric Roll of S. G. Warburg & Co., Ltd., Pierce Paul Schweitzer of the
International Monetary Fund, and George Ball (C.F.R.) of Lehman
Brothers.
Not everyone who attends one of the Bilderbergers' Secret meetings is
an Insider, but only men of the Left are allowed to attend the private
meetings following the general sessions. The avowedly Socialist
Parties of Europe arc well represented... another example of the
tie-in between the Insiders of high finance and the ostensible leaders
of the proletariat. Bilderberg policy is not planned by those who
attend the conferences, but by the elite steering committee of
Insiders composed of 24 Europeans and 15 Americans. Past and present
Americans of the Bilderberger Steering Committee include George W.
Ball, Gardner Cowles, John H. Ferguson, Henry J. Heinz II, Robert D.
Murphy, David Rockefeller, Shepard Stone, James D. Zellerbach, Emelio
G. Collado, Arthur H. Dean, Gabriel Hauge, C.D. Jackson, George
Nebolsine, Dean Rusk and General Walter Bedell Smith. Those who adhere
to the accidental theory of history will claim that it is sheer
coincidence that every single one of those named as past and present
members of the Bilderberger Steering Committee is or was a member of
the Council on Foreign Relations.
The Bilderberger Advisory Committee forms an even more "inner circle"
than the Steering Committee. American s on the Advisory Committee
include Joseph E. Johnson, Dean Rusk, Arthur H. Dean, George
Nebolsine, John S. Coleman, General Walter Bedell Smith and Henry J.
Heinz II. Again, all are members of the C.F.R.
One would assume (that is, if one had not read this book) that when
the world's leading parliamentarians and international tycoons meet to
discuss the planning of their various nations' foreign policies, that
the newshawks from papers and televisionland would be screaming to
high heaven that such an event held in secret makes a mockery the
democratic process. One might expect Walter Cronkite to be thundering
in wrath about an elite clique meeting to plan our lives; or the New
York Times editorialists to be pounding their smoking typewriters,
fuming about "the public's right to know." But, of course, the
landscape painters merely brush the Bilderbergers right out of
existence and focus the public's attention on something like the
conditions in the prisons or coke bottles littering the highways.
Since the Bilderbergers are a group of the Left (or, as the Liberals
in the media might say, but don't, "a group of progressives") they are
allowed to go on in peace and quiet planning for 1984. The fact that
there is heavy Rockefeller (Chase Manhattan Bank and C.F.R.) influence
in the media might also have something to do with the fact that while
everybody has heard of, say, The John Birch Society (and almost always
in a derogatory manner from the Eastern Establishment media),
practically nobody has heard of the Bilderbergers.
As this is written, there have been 29 Bilderberger meetings to date.
They usually last three days and are held in remote, but plush
quarters. he participants are housed in one location and are protected
by a thorough security network. Decisions are reached, resolutions
adopted, plans of action initiated, but only Bilderbergers ever know
for sure what occurred. We must assume that these people did not
congregate merely to discuss their golf scores. The press, naturally,
is not allowed to be present, although occasionally a brief press
conference is held at the end of the meeting at which time the news
media are given in very general terms the Bilderberger version of what
was discussed. Why all the secrecy if there is really nothing to hide?
Why do the Ford, Rockefeller and Carnegie foundations finance the
meetings if they are not important? Yes, why?
The most recent meeting took place at Laurence Rockefeller's Woodstock
Inn at Woodstock, Vermont, April 23, 24, 25, 1971. Apparently the only
newspaper to carry a substantial story on the meeting was the Rutland,
Vermont, Herald, whose reporter could acquire only sketchy information
about what the meeting was all about. The April 20, 1971 issue of the
Herald reported:
"A rather tight lid of secrecy was being kept on the conference - A
closed-door meeting was held in Woodstock last week to brief a handful
of local officials on some phases of the conference. One participant
of the meeting insisted Monday that the officials were told the
meeting would be an 'international peace conference.' However, other
reliable sources said the conference will deal with international
finance . . .
The Woodstock Inn will apparently be sealed up like Fort Knox - No
press coverage will be allowed, with the exception of issuing a
statement at the close of the meeting on Sunday."
When Prince Bernhard arrived at Boston's Logan Airport, he did admit
to reporters that the subject of the conference would be the "change
in the world-role of the United States." Isn't it nice to have changes
in America's role in the world decided upon by Bernhard, Rothschild
and Rockefeller? There is real democracy in action, as they say.
Present at the scene to carry back orders to Mr. Nixon was
C.F.R.-Rockefeller errand boy, the President's Number One advisor on
foreign affairs, Henry Kissinger. Shortly after the Woodstock meeting,
two ominous and "role changing" events occurred: Henry Kissinger went
to Peking and arranged for the acceptance China as a member of the
family of trading nations; and an international monetary crisis
developed after which the dollar was devalued. As the British
statesman and Rothschild confidante Benjamin Disraeli wrote in
Coningsby, "So you see, my dear Coningsby, that the world is governed
by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are
not behind the scenes."
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/
Quintal
Carroll Quigley;-)
ah il faut vraiment être "éduqué" comme toi pour être aussi aveugle et
ignorant. Et illusionné !
Oui le socialisme fest issu des élites mondiales, Quigley n'est qu'une
source parmi d'autres pour le prouver, mais dans ta petite bulle de
décérébré, c'est incompréhensible mdr
donc tu te contentes d'appeler ça "conneries" et de me traiter
d'inculte...mais qui est l'ignorant aveugle de nous deux rigolo?
conclusion, c'est bien l' "éducation" qui te borne, classique.
La programmation pour parler clairement. La manipulation mentale;-)
Quintal
<xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> wrote:
>Oui le socialisme fest issu des élites mondiales,
EST issu, pour etre plus clair : est créé, conçu puis manifesté,
financé, etc, par les plus grands capitalistes de la planète.
Quintal
wrote:
qui ça??
>au fait j'ai trouvé le hamster s'appelle idéfix et ça me rappelle quelque
>chose à moi aussi.
??
>
CubaLibre
> On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:09:25 +0100, "CubaLibre"
> donc tu te contentes d'appeler ça "conneries" et de me traiter
> d'inculte...mais qui est l'ignorant aveugle de nous deux rigolo?
Celui qui n'a jamais bougé son cul de devant son clavier
et qui veut donner des leçons a travers de fumeuse théories
a connotations ésotérique, sans se rendre compte que usenet se fout de
se gueule.
Fermez le ban.
--
CubaLibre
www.confidentiel.net
CubaLibre
Marx et Engels sont mort de rire, comment peut on dire de telles conneries
sans avoir jamais imaginer une relation de cause à effet ?
--
CubaLibre
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CubaLibre
> tiens ma biche, pour ton éducation
IL ME SEMBLE T'AVOIR DEJA DIT D'ALLER TE FAIRE ENCULER AVEC TES POSTS EN ANGLAIS !!!!!!
Quintal
toto c'est TOI qui veux donner des leçons, je ne fais que te répondre
sur le ton que TU as employé en premier.
Personnellement je n'ai fait que citer un texte.
Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
c'est rigolo de t'entendre me dire que je manque d'argument, quel est
ton (et philippe camus qui s'y met évidemment pour la meme raison que
toi lol ça le challenge ce sujet mdr) donc quel est votre argument
dans tout ce fil?
1/ je dirais des conneries (seulement voilà, je cite un texte et un
auteur connu à savori carroll quigley, ça mérite des ARGUMENTS pour
prouver si ce sont des conneries, pas seulement une affirmation
aveugle n'est ce pas?)
2/ je serais inculte (seulement ce n'est pas le sujet, le sujet c'est
le message pas le messager, à moins bien sur qu'on cherche une excuse
pour ne pas réfléchir pas vrai? mdr)
eh bien non toto(s), ce ne sont pas des arguments.
Quintal
encore une fuite mdr
il y avait bien un argument dans ce post auquel tu réponds
mais tu l'évites comme la peste on dirait, et pourtant c'est TOI qui
l'avais introduit en me tendant la perche avec ton :
"Il est donc inutile de te demander si tu as une vague idée
des préceptes marxiste-léniniste."
j'y ai répondu en citant un texte qui cite le manifeste communiste de
marx, le point précis qui traite du monopole bancaire national.
AUCUNE REPONSE de monsieur "tu es inculte", "tu ne connais pas les
préceptes marxistes" et "tu n'argumentes pas".
quelle projection c'est mdr
un monopole bancaire étatique sert à permettre à des intérèts privés
de controler l'économie d'un pays.
Ca te la coupe? Ca te dépasse?
Ca challenge ta "culture" ?
ton "éducation"?
ta "connaissance des préceptes marxistes-léninistes"?
je rêve ou tu prends ta programmation mentale (manipulation) pour de
la culture et de la connaissance?
re-citons mdr
-------
Tous ceux qui ont recherché le contrôle dictatorial sur les nations
modernes ont compris la nécessité d'une banque centrale. Quand la
"ligue des hommes justes" embaucha un (hack?) révolutionnaire nommé
Karl Marx pour écrire un plan de conquète commé le Manifeste
Communiste, la cinquième planche lit : "Centralisation du crédit dans
les mains de l'Etat, par le moyen d'une banque nationale avec capital
d'Etat et monopole exclusif." Lénine écrit plus tard que
l'établissement d'une banque centrale était quatre-vingt-dix pour
cent de la communisation d'un pays! De tels conspirateurs savaient que
vous ne pouvez pas prendre le contrôle d'une nation sans force
militaire à moins que cette nation ait une banque centrale à travers
laquelle vous pouvez contrôler son économie. L'anarchiste Bakunin
remarqua sarcastiquement des disciples de Karl Marx: "Ils ont un pied
dans la banque et un pied dans le mouvement socialiste."
(quel cul j'ai quand meme, ça parle de marx et lénine dans le meme
paragraphe, et en plein dans le sujet mdr et dire que j'ai trouvé ça
sur une AUTRE page web avant que tu poses ton défi auquel tu ne
réponds plus toi même mdr)
Philippe Camus
Bonjour,
Si vous le prenez comme ça vous en avez pour 6 mois, il adore qu'on le
jette, ça lui donne l'impression d'exister. Mettez le en kill, là il peut
plus rien faire :-))))
Philippe Camus
Quintal
j'ai posté DEUX pages webs citant des textes PLEINS d'information et
de théories intéressantes, mais nos deux zoziaux (apôtre du communisme
pour l'un, de l'anarchisme pour l'autre), règlent le défi à leur
"culture" et "éducation" en niant, en attaquant le messager, en
méprisant, et surtout...en ne voulant pas voir ce que disent ces
textes hein?
ben retournez y...et rangez donc vos préjugés ils sont pitoyables
http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/granddeception.htm
http://www.survivalistskills.com/NONEDARE.HTM
et depuis il y en a un 3 ème même;-)
http://www.survivalistskills.com/TRAGEDY.HTM
allez quoi un peu de courage, LISEZ et répondez donc avec de VRAIS
ARGUMENTS au lieu de vous donner des excuses de lâches pour ne pas
réfléchir mdr
vous êtes des maitres en auto-propagande mdr
passés maitres dans l'art de vous illusionner, de vous maintenir
programmés
vos petites remarques "ah c'est l'autre ignorant avec ses conneries"
ne montrent que _votre_ connerie j'en ai peur...
il y a du matériel, là, que je cite... votre silence radio sur les
faits et les arguments est éloquent.
pour votre information (qui est inculte? mdr), Quigley défend cette
conspiration mondiale, il la promeut, son seul désaccord avec cette
élite qui manipule le monde est qu'il pense qu'elle devrait le dire
ouvertement.
Faut-il vraiment que je vous extraie des arguments de ces pages, que
je vous les poste un par un en vous défiant d'y répondre?
Ce serait la suite logique de notre "dialogue" mais je ne suis pas là
pour vous torcher mes bébés, désolé. Démerdez-vous.
Contentez vous donc de vos "arguments" émotionnels si c'est de votre
niveau, c'est votre vie ça vous regarde.
CubaLibre
3fdc6ffd$0$6980$7a62...@news.club-internet.fr...
> CubaLibre wrote:
> Si vous le prenez comme ça vous en avez pour 6 mois, il adore qu'on le
> jette, ça lui donne l'impression d'exister. Mettez le en kill, là il peut
> plus rien faire :-))))
Bonne idée, plonk plonk plonk le crétin.
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CubaLibre
> allez quoi un peu de courage, LISEZ et répondez donc avec de VRAIS
> ARGUMENTS
Certainement pas pour alimenter ta mégalo, on te laisse te branler tout seul.
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Quintal
<sierra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Quintal" <xavi...@heyheyclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
>88totvcq9ku85uovq...@4ax.com...
>
>> allez quoi un peu de courage, LISEZ et répondez donc avec de VRAIS
>> ARGUMENTS
>
>Certainement pas pour alimenter ta mégalo, on te laisse te branler tout seul.
HIHI
bravo, bel aveu;()
aucun argument mental, et un stupide argument émotionnel de plus !
bravo "cubalibre" te v'la décoré !
slambert
> > d'inculte...mais qui est l'ignorant aveugle de nous deux rigolo?
>
> Celui qui n'a jamais bougé son cul de devant son clavier
> et qui veut donner des leçons a travers de fumeuse théories
> a connotations ésotérique, sans se rendre compte que usenet se fout de
> se gueule.
>
> Fermez le ban.
LOL
Quintal
bon débarras mdr
comme ça je pourrai citer des textes qui prouvent que le communisme
est créé par les élites mondiales depuis son origine sans faire réagir
cette pauvre puce qui se sent chatouillée parce qu'on touche à ses
idoles...
bye bye cubalibre, bon vent et vraiment bon débarras mdr
et PC se trompe lourdement, ce qui me donne l'impression d'exister
c'est pas ceux qui résistent à ce que je dis, c'est de dire ce que
j'ai à dire, par exemple ce texte qui pour moi est une révélation qui
a besoin d'etre propagée largement dans notre pauvre pays socialiste
mdr (et ne vous méprenez pas sur ce que je viens de dire, raffarin est
autant socialiste que jospin! lisez donc ces textes pour comprendre;-)