The Protocols Of Zion Updated
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The Protocols Of
Zion Updated
By Henry Makow PhD
6-28-5
In 1976, the plan for "Jewish world domination" outlined in The
Protocols of the Elders of Zion had been largely realized. Harold
Wallace Rosenthal, 29, a personal assistant to New York Senator Jacob
Javits felt that Jewish power was so unassailable that he could make
some extra cash by telling this story to Walter White Jr., the editor
of the Conservative monthly Western Front.
"Too many Jews do not have the guts to tell you how we live and plan,
but I am not intimated by anything or anyone," Rosenthal told White.
"It is too late for your Christian followers to put up a defence. That
time is long past. Long, long ago we had to become the aggressors!
That is undoubtedly one of our great purposes in life. We are
aggressors!"
This shocking 17-page interview, which contradicts the Jewish image as
victims, has been online for some time. It ranks with the revelations
of Benjamin Freedman , and C.G. Rakovsky as a description of the real
forces directing the world.
Rosenthal needed gambling money but his candor cost him his life. On
Aug. 12, 1976, he was killed in a foiled skyjacking in Istanbul.
Walter White concluded that the incident was a cover for Rosenthal's
murder.
A commemorative Rosenthal "Fellowship in International Relations"
discreetly furthers the work he indiscreetly exposed. Oddly, there is
no picture of Rosenthal on their web site.
The interview is virulently anti Semitic in the sense that both men
characterize this conspiracy as "Jewish" and make many nasty racist
generalizations. In fact, "the Jews" are really the Rothschilds and a
few hundred banking families and their non-Jewish allies united by
intermarriage and occult beliefs. The vast majority of Jews like other
people are unaware of this plot and would oppose it if they were. Jews
are as much its unwitting dupes and victims as anyone else.
The Rothschilds set up the Illuminati in 1776 to subvert the Christian
basis of Western Civilization. They took over much of Freemasonry and
used it to infiltrate all social institutions. Mouthing words like
"freedom," "equality" and "progress," they are bent on melding family,
race, religion, and nation into a malleable mush. Their world police
state, now called "globalization," lies behind the facade of "The
Patriot Act" and "The War on Terror."
Rosenthal says, "Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is
Lucifer...and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
This statement applies to modern culture as a whole. We do not like to
admit that our "secular" society is based on a cosmic rebellion
against God. Its true satanic character is becoming more evident every
day.
INSIGHTS
Rosenthal says the "Jews" have built an earthly empire partly by
rejecting Christ's vision of a spiritual kingdom based on brotherly
love. Jewish bankers plan to govern the world from Jerusalem according
to their own interests.
He says the Jewish religion is essentially a disguise for a racial
imperative. "We can live among other people and states [by] persuading
them that the Jews are not a distinct people but the representatives
of a religious faith..."
"Jewish" power was created through control of the monetary system.
"Through our national bank, the Federal Reserve, we extend book credit
which we create from nothing to all local banks ...[Thus] we bring
industry, management and labour into our debt...and pit management
against labour so they will never unite and attack us and usher in a
debt-free industrial utopia."
Through control of banking, the "Jews" acquired a total monopoly of
"the movie industry, the radio networks and the newly developing
television media...we took over the publication of all school
materials... Even your music! We censor the songs released for
publication long before they reach the publishers...we will have
complete control of your thinking."
He boasts that they even implanted a "guilt complex" over the
Holocaust and anti Semitism that prevents society from addressing the
problem.
"We Jews have put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we
promote both sides of the issue as confusion reigns. With their eyes
fixed on the issues, they fail to see who is behind every scene. We
Jews toy with the American public as a cat toys with a mouse."
Rosenthal avers that society can only escape this death clutch by
violent action not education.
"History has been written in blood, not with ink. No letter, editorial
or book has ever rallied the people or stopped tyranny. We understand
this principle and are forever propagandizing the people to write
letters to the President, to Congress...Woe be unto us if they ever
see the futility of it, lay down the pen and employ the sword."
But Rosenthal is not worried. Alluding to the promotion of feminism
and homosexuality, he says:
"We have castrated society through fear and intimidation. Its manhood
exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being
so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all
geldings...their thoughts are not involved with the concerns of the
future and their posterity, but only with the present and with the
next meal."
Rosenthal talks about how a "Jewish" invisible government also
controls the USSR, and how the UN is "nothing but a trap door to the
Red World's immense concentration camp." He says this invisible power
is responsible for the wars and revolutions of the last 200 years.
At times the interview seems almost too damning, and we wonder if it
is authentic. Why would someone who says he aspires to national
prominence allow such an interview to be taped? Couldn't he be
blackmailed? He makes many unflattering and untrue generalizations
about Jews, which also seems implausible. At times he veers widely
from arrogance to insecurity. At one point, he says Jews have made
plans to pack up and flee.
Ultimately you will make up your own mind. I believe the
contradictions are due to self-hatred and a subconscious desire for
expiation. The interview contains many insights only an insider could
have, for eg. the references to Lucifer, religion/race and violent
change. They are consistent with my information.
The tone of racial arrogance also rings true. Rosenthal expresses
incredulity at the spinelessness and gullibility of the American
people. He says a Jew remains a Jew whether he converts to another
religion or not. I doubt if a Christian Conservative like Walter White
would pull off the kind of stunt he condemns "the Jews" for doing.
CONCLUSION
Walter White seems to think the "Jews" are the "ringleaders" of the
Luciferianism cabal known as "Mystery Babylon." Certainly the
Rothschilds are central players but the cast is large and includes
many others.
By presenting this information, I am trying to inspire Jews and
non-Jews alike to remove the media blindfold and recognize that
Luciferians have hijacked humanity and modern culture largely is a
fraud designed to disguise this fact.
True culture is based on religion, i.e. a collective commitment to
spiritual ideals such as absolute justice, love, beauty and truth.
"God is a Spirit and we worship him in Spirit and in Truth," Christ
said. (John 4:24)
We are living in the twilight of Christian culture. We have no genuine
ideals to take its place. The elite's Orwellian doublespeak
(selectively applied "freedom", "tolerance," "diversity," "human
rights" and "equality") is manipulation and mind control.
Jews will have to disown organized Jewry, which is controlled by the
bankers. Fifty per cent of American Jews do not identify with Judaism
in any way. The number that converted to another religion more than
doubled since 1990 and now represents 25% of the total.
However most Jews, like non-Jews, are "secular humanists" which is
Luciferianism in disguise. Humanism is the notion that man can build a
utopia based on "reason." In practice, humanism is a front for the
Illuminist bankers and their allies.
Reason cannot be divorced from morality. Remember I am the inventor of
Scruples. "You find a wallet containing $3000. By the address you can
tell the owner is wealthy. Your family is hungry. Do you keep the
money?" That would be reasonable.
Humanism holds that man is already divine and therefore free to
indulge his appetites and reject God's Plan. This is what the humanist
means when he preaches "freedom."
In fact humanity is still very much a work in progress. We were put on
earth to embody God's Plan, (i.e. spiritual ideals.) God did not give
us freedom so we could fail.
Henry Makow, is the inventor of the board game Scruples, and the
author of A Long Way to go for a Date. He received his Ph.D. in
English Literature from the University of Toronto. He welcomes your
feedback and ideas at he...@savethemales.ca.
http://www.savethemales.ca/000334.html
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The Harold Wallace
Rosenthal Interview
From Serena Martin
6-28-5
Dear Jeff,
Please forward this information to above - trust you'll take a peek
first and perhaps post it on your excellent site.
Dear Joseph,
Like you, I find the Protocols irrefutable evidence of a deliberate
and sustained agenda for world control or NWO. When I discovered the
text in 1997 through Ivan Frazer's Truth Campaign
www.thetruthcampaign.co.uk , I photocopied loads and distributed them
where I could to wake people up. As you have no doubt discovered, you
get a lot of flak in return.
I was therefore pleased to discover the attached which, I feel, puts
an end to any debate as to their authenticity - right from the horse's
mouth! This particular horse was duly silenced by assassination
shortly thereafter but I am grateful to this man for doing this one
decent thing in his short life (albeit inadvertently) on behalf of
humanity.
The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976 by Charles A Weisman
published June 1992
www.antichristconspiracy.com
Serena Martin
The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976
The Hidden Tyranny
INTRODUCTION
This booklet contains the text of a most revealing and shocking
interview of a Jew by the name of Harold Rosenthal, which was
conducted in 1976, by a concerned patriot, a Walter White, Jr.. Mr.
Rosenthal, an influential Jew learned in the Jewish ways and involved
in the workings of government in Washington, D.C., explained the
Jewish involvement and cause of the major problems we face today.
Rosenthal, in exposing certain aspects of the 'inner invisible world
of Jewry', revealed the modes and tactics Jews have used in destroying
Christian civilization and covertly attaining control over our lives
and governments. The result has been a 'hidden tyranny' upon us like
the tyranny waged against the Saints by the red beast system of
Revelation referred to as 'Mystery Babylon'.
But how could such a small number of Jews enslave so many people and
gain such an overwhelming control over their governments, especially
without their being aware of it? The answer to this may be found in
Christ's parable of the unjust steward, which represents Jewry. They
are able to prevail in the world despite their ungodly ways because of
their cunning and shrewd ways. As Christ said "For the children of
this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light."
(Luke 16:8)
In other words, the Jew, with his worldly mind set, is wiser than
God's Christian people. When you read the words of Mr. Rosenthal the
reality of this statement will come to light. This problem was so
prevalent and important for us to overcome that Christ had instructed
us to "be wise as serpents". (Matthew 10:16)
America and the world is now covered in political, economic, moral and
social problems which need to be acted upon by Christian people. As
Edmund Burke stated: "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is
for good men to do nothing." But before we can properly act we need a
proper (not just a superficial) understanding of the problem. This
booklet will help provide the reader with that understanding.
Charles A. Weisman June, 1992
http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/Ford/INDEX-1.html
In a highly confidential interview with a Jewish administrative
assistant to one of this nation's ranking senators, he said, "It is a
marvel that the american people do not rise up and drive every JEW out
of this country." The Jew, Mr. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, made this
statement after admitting Jewish dominance in all sighificant national
programs. He said, "We Jews continue to be amazed with the ease by
which Christian Americans have fallen into our hands. While the naive
Americans wait for Khrushchev to bury them, we have taught them to
submit to our every demand." Asked how a nation could be captured
without their knowing it, Mr. Rosenthal attributed this victory to
absolute control of the media. He boasted of Jewish control of ALL
NEWS. Any newspaper which refused to acquewsce to controlled news was
brought to its knees by withdrawing advertising. Failing in this, the
Jews stop the supply of news print and ink. "It's a very simple
matter," he stated. Asked about men in high political office, Mr
Rosenthal said that no one in the last three decades has achieved any
political power without Jewish approval. "Americns have not had a
presidential choice since 1932. Roosevelt was our man; every president
since Roosevelt has been our man."In a discussion about George
Wallace, Mr. Rosenthal smiled and suggested that we note where Wallace
stands today.
When the U.S. foreign policy was mentioned, the bedroom confidence of
the interview was all but set aside. With disdain and mockery he
sneered at the American stupidity in failing to see through the entire
scope of Kissinger's foreign policy. "It is Zionist-Communist policy
from beginning to end. Yet the citizens think this Jewish policy will
benefit America." He cited "detente" and Angola as examples of Jewish
diplomacy. The credulous nature of Americans drew only contempt from
him.
The interview continued on an almost omniscient plane. "We Jews have
put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we promote both
sides of the issue as confusion reigns. With their eye's fixed on the
issues, they fail to see who is behind every scene. We Jews toy with
the American public as a cat toys with a mouse."
As the conversation went on into the late hours, one could sense that
perhaps America deserves the reign of terror being planned for her.
The Jewish mind pits every ethnic group against the other. "The blood
of the masses will flow as we wait for our day of world victory," Mr.
Rosenthal said coldly.
For hours after this incredible discussion, a sense of inadequacy
prevailed. Is it possible that another group of "human being" could be
so treacherous in spirit, so evil in intent? Yet, the words heard and
the evidence at hand are real. Is it possible that the American people
can remain docile, even while their life's blood is being drained from
them? It seems so.
WHAT DOES ALL THIS SAY TO US? Since what you have just read plus the
lengthy inerview that followed, Mr. Harold Wallace Rosenthal, age 29,
the administrative assistant to Senator Jacob K. Javits of New York
was killed in an alleged sky-jacking attempt on an Israeli airliner in
Istanbul, Turkey, August 12, 1976.
It would appear that Mr. Rosenthal might have "talked too freely"
because although four people were killed and some 30 injured during
the sky-jacking attempt, Rosenthal was not killed by a random bullet
as were the others. From reports secured at the time, it seems amazing
and strange that of all the people involved in this incident Mr..
Rosenthal should have been fatally wounded. Meanwhile, I Walter White
who conducted this confidential interview, can now state after much
investigation, expense and travel, that Harold Rosenthal was
undoubtedly murdered at the Istanbul Airport, in what was to appear as
a hijacking probably by his own people
We had no desire to hurt anyone and especially members of the
Rosenthal family who had suffered enough in this tragedy. We
corresponded with his mother and father in Philadelphia and his
brother Mark David Rosenthal who is attending college in Northern
California. In fact, it was he who advised me that Harold's friends in
Washington had set up a memorial fund in Harold W. Rosenthal's name.
He sent us a copy of "The Harold W. Rosenthal Fellowship in
International Relations" American Jewish committee, Washington
Chapter, 818-18th street N.W. Washington,D.C. 20006. It lists some of
the "who's who" and the honorary Co-Chairmen are Vice President Walter
F. Mondale and Senator Jacob K. Javits. Out of respect, we decided to
wait until a year had passed since the death of Harold Wallace
Rosenthal so we delayed publishing everything he gave us on the
memorable day and evening. And as stated before, the interview was
lengthy as he seemed to enjoy pouring out this information and at
times it was broken and went on into the evening. This writer and
editor is not easily shocked but as this egotist Harold W. Rosenthal
raved on and on I found so much of what he said actually horrifying
the actual betrayal of which he admittedly was a part and he appeared
to gloat over the apparent success of a Jewish World Conspiracy. This,
mind you, comes form an "administrative assistant" to one of our
ranking Senator's Jacob K. Javits of New York.
What you are about to read should act as a WARNING to all non-Jews
throughout the world. It hopefully should open the eyes of many who
knew him in Washington government circles. It becomes indeed obvious
that what he discloses is not fiction. It is not imagination! He was
not pretending as he spoke with knowledge and intelligence. Many
things have been said and written about the One World Jewish
Conspiracy but never has it been described so openly. It staggers the
imagination. Their plans are shocking and many will be astonished at
the contents of this document. NOTHING like it has ever been told
before. We prefer not to elaborate. You be the judge. Looking back to
the time of this interview and having had time to analyze Harold
Rosenthal's candidness, we are compelled to think of him as a
conceited, boastful yet very knowledgeable person. I would classify
him as an egotist and a egoist. At times his cruelty surfaced with a
venom, especially as he describes the STUPID CHRISTIANS or "goys" as
he so often referred to "us."
This surprised me because the word "goy" is not in our language and he
must have known this. His mind was thoroughly immersed in the
ONE-WORLD PLAN of World Jewry. With arrogance, he boasted that the
Jew's conquest of the world was almost complete thanks to Christian
stupidity. When asked if he was a Zionist, Mr.. Rosenthal replied:
"That's a hell of a question! At the foundation of the issue the
traditional Zionist concept of aliyah, a Hebrew term meaning the 'in
gathering' or return of Diaspora L(dispersed Jews) Jews to the
Palestine homeland. Ever since 1948 and the creation of the State of
Israel, aliyah has become a basic imperative of Israeli government
policy." What is aliyah? Will you please spell it for me? He did so
and we inquired as to the realistic meaning of aliyah. Mr.. Rosenthal
said: "It is a permanent physical migration to Palestine, not just a
visit. "We asked, what is Zionism? I've heard Jews define it as
anything from permanent migration to financial spiritual support of
Israel from around the world.
Mr. Rosenthal replied: "Our first leader, former Prime Minister David
Ben-Gurion, said that Zionism without a 'return to Zion' is phony. Not
many American Jews migrate permanently to Israel. Some say that all
Jews, by definition, are Zionists. Others say that a Jew is not a
Zionist unless he's a member who pays dues to an actively Zionist
organization. Definitions have been tossed everywhere since the Jewish
homeland became a reality."
Millions of tax-exempt American dollars are sent to Israel yearly and
we true American do not like this Mr. Rosenthal replied: "the naive
politicians in Washington are gullible. Most of them are not to bright
so the powerful Jewish lobbyists influenced this practice years ago
and there is no one strong enough to stop it. Some of the money is
even returned to the United States and spent on Zionist propaganda
efforts, much of it through the B'naiB'rith and the Conference of
Jewish Organizations and the World Jewish Congress. The Jewish Agency
is a funding arm, a sort of body of B'nai B'rith officials. There is
nothing wrong with sending American dollars to Israel tax-free so long
as we are smart enough to get away with it. Let's reverse this
conversation for a minute. You made it clear and quite vociferously,
that you don't like Jews. Why do you hate us?" Mr. Rosenthal I do not
hate anybody. I said I hate what the Jews are doing to us and
especially as it relates to any and everything related to
Christianity. I hate their deceit, trickery, cunning and their
detestable dishonesty. Does that make me anti-semitic? If it does then
I am anti-semitic!! "Anti-Semitism does not signify opposition to
Semitism. There is no such thing. It is an expression we Jews use
effectively as a smear word used to brand as a bigot, like you guys,
anyone who brings criticism against Jews. We use it against
hate-mongers." It was made clear that I despised the Jews corruptive
influence on our Christian culture and on our properly Christ-oriented
American way of life, to which Mr. Rosenthal said: "During Christ's
time, the Jews were seeking a material and earthly kingdom but Christ
offered the Jews a spiritual kingdom. This, they could'nt buy, so they
rejected Jesus Christ and had him crucified." What do you mean had him
crucified? Doesn't history prove that the Jews crucified Jesus Christ?
To which he answered: "Yes, I guess they did. I don't beat around the
bush but 2,000 years ago your people would have done the same thing to
a man who mistreated them as Christ did the Jews." You speak of Jesus
Christ as merely a man. "That's all he was a man who walked on the
Earth like any other man and this myth about Christ rising from the
dead and returning to Earth to visit with his disciples is a bunch of
crap. The Jews who drove the Arabs out of Palestine did so to disprove
Christ's mission for a spiritual kingdom. You see, instead of a leader
who would make an empire for the Jews, your kind of people gave the
Jews a peaceful preacher called Christ who instead of an
eye-for-an-eye turns the other cheek. Rubbish! We are building and, in
fact, have built an earthly empire without your kind and your
disappointing Messiah." I can see that it is you and your kind who try
to get Christ out of Christmas. I feel sorry for you... to which he
quickly replied: "Don't give me that shit. I don't want your pity. I
don't need it! Too many Jews do not have the guts to tell you how we
live and plan, but I am not intimidated by anyone or anything. I know
where I'm going."
We asked why do Jews frequently change their names he said: "Jews are
the most intelligent people in the world so if it benefits them to
change their name they do so. That's all there is to it. They mix in
your society which is plenty corrupt so while the Jews are benefiting
themselves the the dumb goy doesn't realize that these Jews with
non-Jew names are Jews.
I know what you are thinking about Jews in government who use non-Jew
names. Well don't be concerned because in the foreseeable future there
will be no Presidential power in the United States. The invisible
government is taking strength in that direction."
To your knowledge, are the Jews in Russia really persecuted or are
they given any kind of freedom? To which he said: "Most Jews
throughout the world I'd say more than 90%, know what is really
happening to our people. We have communication unequalled anywhere. It
is only the jerks, the ignorant and misinformed and degenerates who
can find peace in your society and you bastards hide your sins by
donning sheep's clothing. You are the hypocrites not the Jews, as you
say and write about. To answer your question in Russia, there are two
distinct governments one visible and the other invisible. The visible
is made up of different nationalities, whereas the invisible is
composed of ALL JEWS. The powerful Soviet Secret Police takes its
orders from the invisible government. There are about six to seven
million Communist in Soviet Russia, 50% are Jews and 50% are gentiles,
but the gentiles are not trusted. The Communist Jews are united and
trust each other, while the others spy on one another. About every
five to six years the secret Jewish Board calls for the purge of the
party and many are liquidated. When asked "why"? he said: "Because
they begin to understand too much about the Jewish secret government.
Russian Communists have a Secret Group Order which consists of Jews
only. They rule over everything pertaining to the visible government.
It was this powerful organization that was responsible for the secret
removal of the center of Communism to Tel Aviv from where all
instructions now originate."
Does our government and the United Nations have knowledge of this? He
replied: "The United Nations is nothing but a trap-door to the Red
World's immense concentration camp. We pretty much control the U.N."
When asked why the Communist destroy the middle class or educated and
their entire families when they invade a country Mr. Rosenthal
replied:
"It is an established rule to destroy all members of pre-existing
government, their families and relatives, but never Jews. They destroy
all members of the police, state police, army officers and their
families but never Jews. You see, we know when a government begins to
search for the Communists within its borders they are really
attempting to uncover Jews in their area. We'er not fooled! The
invisible rulers in the Communist countries have a world control over
the propaganda and the governments in free countries. We control every
media of expression including newspapers, magazines, radio and
television. Even your music! We censor the songs released for
publication long before they reach the publishers. Before long we will
have complete control of your thinking."
The way you boast, if this is true, it is frightening to think about
our future, and that of Christianity, to which Mr. Rosenthal said:
"There will be a forced class warfare here in the United States and
many will be liquidated. You will unquestionably be among them. The
Jews will not be harmed. I'm not boasting! I'm giving you the facts!
And it is too late for your Christian followers to put up a defense.
That time is long past. Long, Long Ago we had to become the
aggressors!! That is undoubtedly one of our great purposes in life. We
are aggressors!! Because you stole your pretended religious beliefs
from our Talmud."
After reminding him that we thought he was intelligent but now realize
that he doesn't know what he was talking about he replied:
"Judaism is the unequaled culture -- with nothing, nothing anywhere in
the world to compare with it. Your so-called Christianity is an
outgrowth of Judaism. The cultural and intellectual influence of
Judaism is felt throughout the entire world -- yes, throughout
civilization."
When I asked whether he thought we faced a problem eventually with the
Blacks because of their startling population increase he said that the
Blacks are helping to serve 'our purpose' which might mean several
things.
We discussed the Black invasion of city, county and state and their
prominence now in television. Also how ridiculous it is for Blacks to
become converted to Jews -- like Sammy Davis for instance. Mr. R.
replied:
"That doesn't mean anything. We know that a Black cannot become a Jew
and that Sammy Davis is still Black. It may have been to his advantage
to become converted. In reality he still remains a nigger and not a
Jew."
I told him of my in-depth study of the Jews and that there were few
who have done more research on world Jewry than I -- and about my
unpleasant discoveries -- reminding Mr. R. that there is no morality
among Jews. He replied:
"Money is more important than morality. We can accomplish anything
with money. Our people are proving that in Israel where its strength
against attack is its permanent state of war readiness. Israel can now
win in any encounter. The kibbutz-raised intellectual elements are
going to build that small country into a mid-east wonderland. It will
also eventually be the base for World Government Headquarters."
(Talmudic Judaism is a religion of Jewish world control and slavery.)
We discussed the tragedy of Watergate and corruption at all levels of
government and suggested that government representatives practice more
openness and candor in dealing with the people. Mr. R. said:
"What good would it do? What the hell does the public know about the
running of government. The great majority are asses -- horses asses!!"
May we quote you on that?
"I don't care: what you do -- as I said, few have the guts to speak
out. We would all have better understanding between each other -- jews
and gentiles -- if we spoke out more openly. Your people don't have
guts. We establish your thinking -- we even place within you a 'guilt
complex' making you afraid to criticize Jewry openly."
The Jewish Belief and Religion
In the quietness of this enlightening conversation it became clear
that the understanding poured forth did not come from a novice. Mr.
Rosenthal was asked how Jews gain acceptance so easily among other
races. His answer was long and thorough.
"At a very early date, urged on by the desire to make our way in the
world, Jews began to look for a means whereby we might distract all
attention from the racial aspect. What could be more effective, and at
the same time more above suspicion, than to borrow and utilize the
idea of a religious community? We've been forced to borrow this idea
from the Aryans. We jews never possessed any religious institution
which developed out of our own consciousness, for we lack any kind of
idealism. This means that a belief in life beyond this terrestrial
existence is foreign to us. As a matter of fact, the Talmud does not
lay down principles with which to prepare the individual for a life to
come, but furnishes only rules for a sumptuous life in this world. It
is a collection of instructions for maintaining the Jewish race and
regulating: intercourses between us and the goy. Our teachings; are
not concerned with moral problems, but rather with how to 'get.' (This
explains the parasitic nature of Jewish people. Jews never get rich
off one another, but seek to 'get' the labor and wealth of others.)
"In regard to the moral value of the Jews' religious teaching, there
exist quite exhaustive studies which show the kind of religion that we
have in a light that makes it look uncanny to the Aryan mind. We are
the best example of the kind of product which religious training
evolves. Our life is of this world only and our mentality is as
foreign to the true spirits of Christianity as our character was to
the Founder of this new creed 2,000 years ago. The Founder of
Christianity made no secret of his estimation of the Jews and the fact
that he was not one of us. When he found it necessary he drove us out
of the temple of God, because then, as always, we used religion as a
means of advancing our commercial interest." (The Merchants of Babylon
have commercialized our society.)
"But at that time, we managed to nail Jesus to the cross for his
attitude towards us; whereas, the modern Christians enter into party
politics and in order to win elections, they debase themselves by
begging for Jewish votes. They even enter into political intrigues
with us against the interests or their own nation. (These people have
been called by various names -- scalawags, political prostitutes,
carpetbaggers, charlatans, traitors, stooges, pawns, etc.)
"We can live among other nations and states only as long as we succeed
in persuading them that the Jews are not a distinct people, but are
the representatives of a religious faith who, therefore, constitute a
'religious community,' though this be of a peculiar character. As a
matter of fact, this is the greatest of our falsehoods.
(The Jews have established five major falsehoods which work to conceal
their nature and protect their status and power, to wit:
1) The Jews are Israelites, and thus God's chosen people;
2) Jesus Christ was a Jew;
3) That 6 million Jews were killed in a holocaust during WW II;
4) That all races are equal, or that all are brothers; and,
5) That the Jews are just another religious group.)
"We are obliged to conceal our own particular character and mode of
life so that we will be allowed to continue our existence as a
parasite among the nations. Our success in this line has gone so far
that many believe that the Jews among them are genuine Frenchmen, or
Englishmen, or Italians, or Germans who just happen to belong to a
religious denomination which is different from that prevailing in
these countries. Especially in circles concerned with government,
where the officials have only a minimum of historical sense, we are
able to impose our infamous deception with comparative ease.
Therefore, there is never the slightest suspicion that we Jews form a
distinct nation and are not merely the adherents of a 'confession.'
Though one glance at the press which we control ought to furnish
sufficient evidence to the contrary, even for those who possess only
the smallest degree of intelligence."
The Money Power
When questioned about the ways in which the Jews have gained power,
Mr. Rosenthal said:
"Our power has been created through the manipulation of the national
monetary system. We authored the quotation. 'Money is power.' As
revealed in our master plan, it was essential for us to establish a
private national bank. The Federal Reserve system fitted our plan
nicely since it is owned by us, but the name implies that it is a
government institution. From the very outset, our purpose was to
confiscate all the gold and silver, replacing them with worthless
non-redeemable paper notes. This we have done!"
When asked about the term 'non-redeemable notes,' Mr. Rosenthal
replied:
"Prior to 1968, the gullible goy could take a one dollar Federal
Reserve note into any bank in America and redeem it for a dollar which
was by law a coin containing 412 1/2 grains of 90 per cent silver. Up
until 1933, one could have redeemed the same note for a coin of 25
4/5ths grains of 90 per cent gold. All we do is give the goy more
non-redeemable notes, or else copper slugs. But we never give them
their gold and silver. Only more paper," he said contemptuously. "We
Jews have prospered through the paper gimmick. It's our method through
which we take money and give only paper in return." (The economic
problem of America and the world is ultimately a Jewish problem, or as
Henry Ford stated: "The Money Question, properly solved, is the end of
the Jewish Question and every other question of a mundane nature."
Can you give me a example of this we asked?
"The examples are numerous, but a few readily apparent are the stocks
and bonds market, all forms of insurance and the fractional reserve
system practiced by the Federal Reserve corporation, not to mention
the billions in gold and silver that we have gained in exchange for
paper notes, stupidly called money. Money power was essential in
carrying out our master plan of international conquest through
propaganda."
When asked how they proposed doing this, he said:
"At first, by controlling the banking system we were able to control
corporation capital. Through this, we acquired total monopoly of the
movie industry, the radio networks and the newly developing television
media. The printing industry, newspapers, periodicals and technical
journals had already fallen into our hands. The richest plum was later
to come when we took over the publication of all school materials.
Through these vehicles we could mold public opinion to suit our own
purposes. The people are only stupid pigs that grunt and squeal the
chants we give them, whether they be truth or lies."
Mind Control & Conditioning
When asked if the Jews felt any threat from the 'silent majority,' he
laughed at the idea, saying:
"There is no such thing as the silent majority because we control
their cry and hue. The only thing that exists is an unthinking
majority and unthinking they will remain, as long as their escape from
our rigorous service is the opiate of our entertainment industry. By
controlling industry, we have become the task masters and the people
the slaves. When the pressure of daily toil builds to an explosive
degree, we have provided the safety valve of momentary pleasure. The
television and movie industries furnish the necessary temporary
distraction. These programs are carefully designed to appeal to the
sensuous emotions, never to the logical thinking mind. Because of
this, the people are programmed to respond according to our dictates,
not according to reason. Silent they never are; thinking they will
remain."
Continuing his thought of Jewish control over the goy, Mr. Rosenthal
said:
"We have castrated society through fear and intimidation. Its manhood
exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being
so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all
geldings in nature, their thoughts are not involved with the concerns
of the future and their posterity, but only with the present toil and
the next meal,"
Manipulation of Labor & Industry
It was obvious that the excitement of Mr. Rosenthal was triggered when
mention was made of the nation's industry.
"We have been successful in dividing society against itself by pitting
labor against management. (The social-labor movement, employing labor
unions, a manipulation of wages and prices, and government regulation
of business, was the brainchild of Jews such as Karl Marx and Samuel
Gompers. The result was a destruction of free enterprise.) This
perhaps has been one of our greatest feats, since in reality it is a
triangle, though only two points ever seem to occur. In modern
industry where exists capital, which force we represent, is the apex.
Both management and labor are on the base of this triangle. They
continually stand opposed to each other and their attention is never
directed to the head of their problem. Management is forced to raise
prices since we are ever increasing the cost of capital. Labor must
have increasing wages and management must have higher prices, thus
creating a vicious cycle. We are never called to task for our role
which is the real reason for inflation, since the conflict between
management and labor is so severe that neither has time to observe our
activities. It is our increase in the cost of capital that causes the
inflation cycle. We do not labor or manage, and yet we receive the
profits. Through our money manipulation, the capital that we supply
industry costs us nothing. Through our national bank, the Federal
Reserve, we extend book credit, which we create from nothing, to all
local banks who are member banks. They in turn extend book credit to
industry. Thus, we do more than God, for all of our wealth is created
from nothing. You look shocked! Don't be! It's true, we actually do
more than God. With this supposed capital we bring industry,
management and labor into our debt, which debt only increases and is
never liquidated. Through this continual increase, we are able to pit
management against labor so they will never unite and attack us and
usher in a debt-free industrial utopia.
"We are the necessary element since we expend nothing. Management can
create its own capital -- the profits. Its business would grow and
profits increase. Labor would prosper as well, while the price of the
product would remain constant, the prosperity of industry, labor and
management would continually increase. We Jews glory in the fact that
the stupid goy have never realized that we are the parasites consuming
an increasing portion of production while the producers are
continually receiving less and less."
The Control Over Religion
As the hours rolled on in this intense, but cordial, interview, Mr.
Rosenthal exposed his thoughts concerning religion.
"Religion, too, must be taught, and through this necessity we have
labored. (As the Jew Karl Marx stated: "Religion is the opiate of the
people.") With our control of the text book industry and the news
media, we have been able to hold ourselves up as the authorities on
religion. Many of our rabbis now hold professorships in supposed
Christian theological seminaries. We are amazed by the Christians'
stupidity in receiving our teachings and propagating them as their
own. (This is one of the main reasons for the power and the control
Jews have attained over white nations -- the adopting of Jewish ways.
As Henry Ford stated: "The Christian cannot read his Bible except
through Jewish spectacles, and, therefore, reads it wrong." (The
International Jew Vol. IV, p. 238). As a result, Christians don't have
God's word on a certain matter, they have the Jew's word.) Judaism is
not only the teaching of the synagogue, but also the doctrine of every
'Christian Church' in America. Through our propaganda the Church has
become our most avid supporter. This has even given us a special place
in society, their believing the lie that we are the 'chosen people'
and they, gentiles.
"These deluded children of the Church defend us to the point of
destroying their own culture. (Jews need not have their finger on
every button that causes a destruction or a Judaization of Christian
civilization, as in many cases they have their proselytes or "Gentile
fronts" to do it for them.) This truth is evident even to the dullard
when one views history and sees that all wars have been white fighting
white in order that we maintain our control. We controlled England
during the Revolutionary War, the North during the Civil War, and
England and America during World War I and II. Through our influence
of religion we were able to involve the ignorant white Christians in
war against themselves which always impoverished both sides while we
reaped a financial and political harvest. Anytime truth comes forth
which exposes us, we simply rally our forces -- the ignorant
Christians. They attack the crusaders even if they are members of
their own families. (Anyone who has been in the forefront exposing the
truth of the Jewish issue can attest to this fact stated by Mr.
Rosenthal.)
"Through religion we have gained complete control of society,
government and economics. No law is ever passed except its merits have
previously been taught from the pulpits. An example of this is race
equality which led to integration and ultimately to mongrelization.
The gullible clergy in one breath instruct their parishioners that we
are a special, chosen people while in another breath proclaim all
races are the same. Their inconsistency is never discovered. So we
Jews enjoy a special place in society while all other races are
reduced to racial equality. It is for this reason that we authored the
equality hoax, thereby reducing all to a lower level.
"We have been taught that our current economic practices are
benevolent therefore Christian. These pulpit parrots extol our
goodness for loaning them the money to build their temples, never
realizing that their own holy book condemns all usury. They are eager
to pay our exorbitant interest rates. They have led society into our
control through the same practice. Politically, they hail the
blessings of democracy and never understand that through democracy we
have gained control of their nation. Their book (Notice that Mr.
Rosenthal always refers to the Bible as their book -- the white
people, never as our book or the Jews' book) again teaches a
benevolent despotic form of government in accordance with the laws of
that book, while a democracy is mob rule which we control through
their Churches, our news media and economic institutions. Their
religion is only another channel through which we can direct the power
of our propaganda. These religious puppets' stupidity is only exceeded
by their cowardice, for they are ruled easily."
The Light Dawns
Rarely does any man confess the intimacy of his soul as did Mr.
Rosenthal. Hindsight suggests that there was a greater Force
compelling this man to reveal what has been written here. The
remainder of the interview seems to confirm this.
"Since we do not believe in a life after death, all our efforts are
directed to the 'now.' We are not as foolish as you and will never
adopt an ideology that is rooted in self-sacrifice. Whereas you will
live and die for the benefit of the community, we will live and die
only for our own individual self. The idea of self- sacrifice is
abhorred by Jews. It is abhorrent to me. No cause is worth dying lot
since death is the end. The only time we unite is to preserve our
individual selves. As a group of wolves unite to attack a prey, but
then disperse after each is filled, so we Jews unite when peril is
pending, not to preserve our community but to save our own skin.
"This attitude permeates our entire being and philosophy. We are not
the creators for to create would only benefit another. (The white race
has clearly been the creators in terms of inventions, achievements,
etc., and by them "all the families (or races) of the world have been
blessed (or have benefited from them), as prophesied in Genesis 12:3,
28:14. This proves Jews are not God's chosen people.) We are the
'acquirers' and are interested only in satisfying the 'self.' To
understand our philosophy understand the term 'to get.' We never give
but only take. We never labor but enjoy the fruits of others' labor.
We do not create but confiscate. We are not the producers but the
parasites. We can physically live within any society, but always
remain spiritually apart. To work would be to produce and the highest
form of that labor would be to create. Your race has always worked for
the satisfaction of what it produces. We would never work for anyone's
benefit, only for what we can get. We have used this Aryan attitude to
achieve our greatest prosperity. You will work for the enjoyment you
derive out of producing, while never being concerned about the pay. We
take your productivity for a paltry fee and turn it into fortunes.
"Until recently, the pride of workmanship exceeded the quest for high
incomes. However, we have been able to enslave society to our own
power which is money, by causing them to seek after it. We have
converted the people to our philosophy of getting and acquiring so
that they will never be satisfied. A dissatisfied people are the pawns
in our game of world conquest. Thus, they are always seeking and never
able to find satisfaction. The very moment they seek happiness outside
themselves. they become our willing servants.
"Your people never realize that we offer them only worthless baubles
that can not bring fulfillment. They procure one and consume it and
are not filled. They procure one and consume it and are not filled. We
present another. We have an infinite number of outward distractions,
to the extent that life can not again turn inward to find its definite
fulfillment. You have become addicted to our medicine through which we
have become your absolute masters. (For this reason Christ said,
"beware of the leaven of the Pharisees" (Matt. 16:6). This was a
warning against their Talmudic-Babylonian doctrines, which grow in
men's minds and permeates throughout society, until this philosophy
finally enslaves them (Col. 2:8).)
"On the first and fundamental lie, the purpose of which is to make
people believe that we are not a nation but a religion, other lies are
subsequently based. Our greatest fear is that this falsehood will be
discovered, for we will be stamped out the moment the general public
comes into possession of the truth and acts upon it (It is one thing
to put a man in possession of the truth, to get him to understand it
is another, and to get him to act upon it is another still. Truth by
itself has no value unless used or applied in some
way.) It is becoming apparent that an awakening is occurring even
here in America. We had hoped that through our devastation of
Christian Germany that any subject dealing with us would be a fearful
taboo. However, there seems to be a resurgence here in the one nation
that we so strongly control. We are presently making plans for a rapid
exodus. We know that when the light begins to dawn, there will be no
stopping it. All efforts on our part will only intensify that light
and draw focus upon it.
"We fear that light is coming forth in movements across this land,
especially yours. It has amazed us how you have been successful in
reaching the people after we closed every door of communication. This,
we fear, is a sign of a coming pogrom that will take place in America
soon. The American public has realized that we are in control, which
is a fatal mistake on our part. This nation could never be the land of
the free as long as it is the land of the Jew. (This is a concept most
patriots cannot understand. Patriots have spent untold man-hours
fighting the IRS, the Federal Reserve, the media, Congress or
government in general. These things are merely tools which the Jew now
uses against the detestable 'goyim'. The problem is not the tool or
device, but the heathen in control of it.) This is the revelation that
will be our undoing.
"The American people have been easily ruled through our propaganda
that the pen is mightier than the sword. We virtually get away with
murder, and all the goy do is to talk about it, which is ineffective
since we, the masters of propaganda, always publish a contradicting
account. If the Aryan would review history and apply those lessons of
the past, then the pen will be thrown down in disgust and the sword
wielded in the heat of passion. (A recurrence to history would edify
our minds and show us that the European countries solved their Jewish
problem only by use of force.) Thus far, we have escaped the sword,
when the only reprisal is some periodical of no repute, or some
pamphlet with limited circulation. Their pen is no match for ours, but
our constant fear is that they may open their eyes and learn that no
change was ever brought about with a pen. History has been written in
blood, not with ink. No letter, editorial or book has ever rallied the
people or stopped tyranny. We understand this principle and are
continually propagandizing the people to write letters to the
President, to Congress and to their local media. We are safe to
continually exploit, intimidate and disenfranchise the white American
as long as they are preoccupied with the illusion of educating the
masses through printed material. Woe be unto us if they ever see the
futility of it, lay down the pen and employ the sword.
"History confirms the fact that the passions of an aroused minority,
no matter how small a group, have exerted enough power to topple the
greatest empire. The movements that control destiny are not those that
rest on the inactive majority; but on the sheer force of an active
minority. Will is power, not numbers, for a strong Will will always
rule the masses!" (In examining the extent of Jewish power and control
over America Henry Ford stated this control "can be explained only by
the Jewish Will to Power." The International Jew (1920) Vol. I, p.
210.)
"Again, we are safe as long as our Will is stronger, or the Will of
the people is misdirected, scattered and without leadership. We will
never be deposed with words, only force!" (Would this not be the
logical and proper course of action required to rid the land of any
type of invader or hostile enemy?)
The wisdom of Mr. Harold Rosenthal has been set forth truthfully and
accurately. The question now to you is, WHAT CAN YOU DO TO PROTECT THE
NATION AND EVERY CITIZEN FROM THE ABOVE POTENTIALS????
Those of us who have been in this battle to save our once great nation
for so many years possibly become calloused, not too sensitive to the
horrible things going on around us. I must admit however, that the
FACTS as conveyed by Harold Wallace Rosenthal have made their impact
on this writer. The interview, or perhaps a better word might be
confession, has helped to bring to the surface a reality of what we
veterans have known for years, but the stark reality of Jewish
treachery becomes more shocking when getting it ALL in one package.
Mr. Rosenthal, a former influential Jew in his own right, prided
himself in being a vital part of the admitted control of the media,
and of their invisible government in which no political power is
exercised without Jewish approval. Let us also highlight the other key
remarks of Mr. Rosenthal:
- That the American people have no guts and the Jews sneer at their
stupidity.
- The Jews' power through their money and the money power afford them
a
"master plan" for international conquest through propaganda.
- There is in America an "unthinking majority."
- The Jews' treachery of pitting labor against management.
- The Jewish belief that Christ was just another man on the earth.
- That Jews are admitted parasites who have gained control of our
society,
" government and economies through their religion.
- The myth of the Jews being the "chosen people."
- The confessed "big lie" that the Jews are a religion and not a
nation.
- That the Jews fear being discovered for what they are.
We are beginning to uncover the whole conspiracy on the part of the
Communists and World Zionism to capture control of our nation, and the
Jews and their prostituted media are beginning to admit, as Mr.
Rosenthal said, that we have them on the run, Believe us, dear reader,
it will be a shock to the Jewish world when this gets into circulation
and they discover we have our hands on this 'first hand' information
from a Jew who was formerly respected in high government office, and
it is this Report that could 'trip the miracle." If, with your help,
we can get this material distributed in the hands of citizens and even
in government offices throughout the country, it might help bring
about the desired 'action.'
As you have observed, the Jew conspiracy is to reduce our population
to a subservient obedience designed to groom us for a Jew-controlled,
international, money-changing dictatorship designed by Jewish-Zionists
and Communists. This is occurring and will continue if the American
public allows itself to be so subdued. (The ignorance and apathy of
the people have been an open invitation to the Jew to ensnare them in
their socialist plans.) These One World subverters who have been
running our bureaucracy in Washington have permitted over 12,000,000
aliens to come into this country illegally from all the nations of the
world including China and Mexico and all nations in between. They are
holding jobs which amount to more than the number of people we have
unemployed.
This manuscript can act as a weapon with which we will open the eyes
of the masses. They know something is wrong but they do not know what
to do. NOW we can show them. Only by knowing the truth of the problems
can a proper course of action be made. Thus the importance of
circulating this evidence to tens of thousands is necessary so a
victory could be within our grasp. Although it is a lengthy
manuscript, its contents will hold the attention of almost any reader.
Why? Because it affects every man, woman and child in America. Yes,
even throughout the world. IT IS THAT IMPORTANT! There cannot ever be
another document of such vital importance.
This has to do with life and death truth. The revelations in this
document are shocking and unbelievable to the innocent who can
scarcely imagine such self-confessed evil ambitions. Mr. Rosenthal
appeared to take great pride in being able to disclose some of their
inner, untold secrets -- all of which unfolds as we listen to every
word spoken (mine and his) during the lengthy interview (Walter
White's interview with Harold Rosenthal) which is recorded on cassette
tapes as our documentation.
The Jewish nation is the enemy of ALL nations. They have already
become hysterical since this document was brought to their attention.
God save us! And that appeal to God is not an idle gesture. My
Christian faith remains intact. "God save our nation," even if at
present we are prisoners of a propaganda monopoly by a handful of
subverters and manipulators. We can, with His help, lift the yoke and
break the bonds so that our majority by righteous representation, can
assert itself in following the freedom under our United States
Constitution.
Warning
There is a risk involved in printing this manuscript. This writer was
struck down on March 13, 1978 and badly beaten. But I risked my life
before and I shall gladly do it again if only to get this knowledge
into the hands of a few million people. The reward that comes to those
who stand by the Truth, regardless of the cost, is akin to what our
Lord must have experienced when He resisted the devil. After the devil
went away, the Scripture says, "Angels came and ministered unto Him."
We are in the final battle. We must do everything possible to "Pass
the Word"... including prayer. (God has a plan for a nation to follow
to free it from alien captivity -- "If my people, which are called by
my name, shall humble my, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked
ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and
will heal their land." 2 Chr. 7:14, also Deut. 30:1-4, I Kings
8:33-34.)
At the time of my interview with Mr. Rosenthal, I knew it was
powerfully potent and I had an overwhelming confidence in its content
to arouse and awaken many who formerly disbelieved. It is interesting
how the Rosenthal document confirms the theme of the "Protocols of The
Learned Elders of Zion ." It might be called "Personalized Protocols
-- 1979 Edition."
Anyone who does not know that the organized Jew is the instigator of
World Communism, of International Zionism, and is in a conspiracy to
destroy Christian civilization, is too naive and too ignorant to deal
with the problems we face. The Christ-hating Jew who conspires against
our Christian Heritage, enjoys nothing better than the conservative
who protects the Jew and will talk about everything dangerous to our
country except the Hidden Hand of the Jew conspirators, the root of
all evil which threatens Christian civilization. (While it is "the
love of money" which "is the root of all evil" (I Tim. 6:10), the Jew
exhibits far above other peoples, a love of money; and have an
instinctive and compelling desire for attaining as much wealth as
possible regardless of the means or harm it may cause.)
This evil force is the "ANTI-CHRIST," as revealed in the second letter
of John, who says: "He is the Anti-Christ, that denies the Father and
the Son." These Jew protecting conservative Americans are knowingly or
unknowingly helping to destroy their own country. As a result -- JEWS
RULE AMERICA -- THEY PLOT TO RULE THE WORLD -- WE ARE IN BONDAGE --
CAN WE ESCAPE? -- YES, BUT ONLY, if the Jew protecting conservatives,
who are helping the ANTI-CHRIST ZIONIST to DIVIDE AND CONQUER will
learn and accept the TRUTH and be guided by the warnings of OUR
SAVIOUR (John 8:44, and Matt. 23:12, etc.), and never think that they
know better than He, -- and if they will UNITE with REAL Americans who
know the TRUTH, in a battle to save our Country, we can escape from
the clutches of CHRIST'S WORST ENEMIES -- THE ANTI-CHRIST JEWS, for
this is ONE of several ways in which our Country can be saved.
This means that whosoever forgets or omits the Jewish question, be it
through ignorance, or fear, is unfit to be a preacher, teacher or
official. This means that every Security risk, ONE WORLDERS ATLANTIC
UNION PLOTTER and Alien ANTI-CHRIST ZIONIST, whose loyalty is to
another Country, and all of their TRAITOR agents and stooges MUST BE
BANISHED BY "REAL" AMERICANS UNITED FROM EVERY POSITION OF POWER AND
INFLUENCE IN THIS NATION -- AND INSTEAD -- PUT NONE BUT REAL AMERICANS
ON GUARD" -- For this is the way by which our Country started, and
thus the way it can be saved.
The Harold Wallace Rosenthal Interview 1976
Part Two
The Hidden Tyranny
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer."
The above is an exact quote of Harold Wallace Rosenthal, former top
Administrative Aide to the then Senator Jacob Javits, who was since
defeated in the 1980 election.
I, Walter White, Jr., for the past 17 years Director and Editor of the
monthly conservative publication WESTERN FRONT, was told about Mr.
Rosenthal's boastings around Washington, D.C., and I was encouraged to
meet with him and to interview him (for a fee).
Mr. Rosenthal had stated publicly that the Jews will completely
dominate throughout the entire world -- and that they control every
facet of political life in America and every aspect of the
communication media. (Mr. R's emphasis).
Eventually Mr. Rosenthal and l were brought together, at which time I
interviewed him privately and taped said interview with Mr.
Rosenthal's knowledge and consent. During the lengthy meeting Mr.
Rosenthal became impatient, rude and vulgar (all of which is recorded
on the tape) and he sought the balance of his fee before I had
concluded my questioning.
Since the entire interview was so lengthy, in 1977 we released and
published only the first portion under the same title as above "THE
HIDDEN TYRANNY." Copies of this manuscript (Part I) have been sought
by people from all around the globe. We now release the balance of the
taped interview as Part Two. Although I do not wish to digress, an
Eastern analyst has told me that "The Hidden Tyranny" manuscript (Part
I) has had a pass-on readership of 3.5%. Thus, if true, the manuscript
(Part I) has been read by more than 7 MILLION people. When this final
portion (Part Two) begins circulating, its impact may be even greater.
It depends upon you, the reader.
Before any agreement was reached between us, I had established with
Mr. Rosenthal that he would answer an unlimited number of questions
with complete honesty and to the best of his ability. It was because
of this understanding that I took issue with Mr. Rosenthal during the
final stages of the interview and accused him of not being honest with
me as it related to his response to my question: "Do you have
knowledge of WHEN and WHY the story began about the Jews being God's
chosen people?" That is when he said in part: "Most Jews do not like
to admit it, but our god is Lucifer -- so I wasn't lying -- and we are
his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive."
As this goes to press, we still seek a governmental body to
investigate Harold Rosenthal's allegations. My dictionary conveys such
allegations as "TREASON."
We now pick up after a dispute during which the tape recorder has been
turned off.
Obviously where the "W" appears, those are my words. Where the "R"
appears, that indicates comment.
"W". Mr. Rosenthal, when true history is permitted to be published at
large -- when the truth actually surfaces -- what do you expect the
people of the world will do to you Jews'?
R. I thought we had concluded this interview.
W. I'm concerned -- and this question seems to require your answer.
R. We were all finished White, and now you start to pump me again.
I've already given you the 'tables of stone' and yet you want more.
R. Never mind -- you wouldn't understand anyway -- you Christians!!!
W. So now you damn me because I'm a Christian. I thought we had tried
to keep this on a business-like basis did we not?
R. (Mumbled exclamation by Rosenthal!!)
W. Whatever that is -- or means, you're using words I've never heard
before. Are you speaking English?
R. I said -------.
W. Will you spell it?
R. (Rosenthal spells M-I-S-C-H-N-A-H and briefly says it is from the
basics of the Talmud). Mr. R. continues: Let's not dwell on this.
We're not getting anywhere -- besides we had concluded things and that
ends our agreement.
W. Are you afraid to answer the question I posed?
R. Who the hell do you think I am -- I'm not afraid to answer any
question but I've given you enough information for a book.
W. Did I not pay you as per our agreement?
R. Yeah -- sure -- but again you're wanting more. All right, you want
my opinion as to what the people of the world are going to think when
history is written.
W. Well, I didn't pose the question exactly like that, but go ahead.
R. I don't give a damn what the people will think. Besides, whenever
that happens you and I will be dead. Plain dead. Does that satisfy
you?
W. There are two or three questions among my notes here Mr. Rosenthal
which have yet to be answered and one is quite important.
R. What is that?
W. The story about the six million Jews supposedly cremated or
murdered by the Nazis.
R. What about it?
W. Do you know who or what Jewish organization created that big lie?
R. No, I don't know anything about its authenticity. I don't think
it's too important anyway.
W. Mr. Rosenthal, you know better than that, What about the younger
generation who is growing up believing this big lie? And you say it's
not important!!
R. It was an outgrowth of the war and we all know that Hitler hated
the Jews so someone, somewhere, thought of exaggerating the number. We
know that many, many Jews were killed by the Nazis.
W. I'm sure you know that when World War II broke out there were less
than a quarter of a million Jews in ALL of Germany. Many thousands had
already left Germany.
R. So what? As I said before, the Jewish people are the cleverest
people in the world. So somebody thought up a big number and perhaps
it grew until now the number of Jews killed is six million. We have
control of the news media and that is the great difference. Otherwise
your people could tell YOUR big lie.
W. Go you brush it off that lightly. Something of such enormity...
Mr. R. interrupted here saying -- My people have been taught to give
consideration and attention to our teachers rather than to the words
of your people and laws.
W. You're living in America, Mr. Rosenthal, It is our duty to uphold
the laws of our Country. Your religion teaches you that you may take
an oath such as when being inducted into political office -- and if
the oath displeases you, you can deny silently the fact you have taken
that oath. Now I have copies of the Jewish document -- called the Kol
Nidre and I have proven their authenticity. (The Kol Nidre ("all
vows") is found in the Talmud book Nedarim (Vows), and is recited each
year in the synagogue on the Day of Atonement It allows all future
obligations. oaths or pledges a Jew may engage in to "be deemed
absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect." This
allows Jews to lie, subvert, cheat, etc.
R. Well -- all Jews don't practice that oath business, I'm sure.
W. But they do practice it, do they not -- with the Rabbi's approval.
R. To some extent. Perhaps when it is helpful to the individual.
W. Is that not sinful?
R. Maybe to your way of thinking. I've told you -- you and I are
different. We are different people. Our beliefs are entirely
different. We have been raised that way for many centuries so it is
not a sin for us to take any oath and break it. It's our teaching.
(This point on the difference of character has been made by many other
Jewish writers and statesmen, and is well supported in history and
science. Yet, ironically, Christians continue to believe the Jewish
lie that "we are all the same" or "equal.")
W. I've possibly saved the most important question of all until now.
R. Listen, White, if you're going on any further, my time is money. We
made an agreement and you're extending it beyond reason. You have it
all on tapes and remember that we agreed for you to take whatever you
want from the tapes and your notes -- but no reproduction of the tapes
under any circumstances. They are to be destroyed. If you violate this
White, we'll cut your balls off.
W. Who are WE?
R. Just get smart and you'll find out. You don't want any trouble and
I don't either. You keep our agreement and no one gets hurt!! Now give
me the rest of my money. Okay?
W. I intend to keep our agreement to the letter and you have my word
of honor that these tapes will not go any further than my use in the
preparation of the story. There is no misunderstanding. We agree on
that and I'll keep my word. You'll get your money in a minute.
R. I have friends White -- I know a lot of people and I don't want
them to be reading things attributed to me that I didn't say. I don't
give a damn what you or anybody else thinks -- but I don't want lies
printed -- only the questions and answers of this interview.
W. We understand each other perfectly in that regard, Mr. Rosenthal.
Now, please, this question!!
R. Shoot. But remember I need Las Vegas money.
W. Surely you must know somewhere in your schooling, or you have some
kind of personal feeling or understanding as to WHEN and WHY the story
began that the Jews are God's Chosen People.
R. We ARE God's chosen people.
W. Do you really believe that Mr. Rosenthal?
R. Maybe I can explain or perhaps Jake could give you a better
answer...
W. Who is Jake?
R. Jake Javits -- you know, my associate. He's the man that I work for
and he's a pretty smart guy. Plenty smart. His answer might serve your
purpose for the story better.
W. I want your answer!
R. . . . You and we actually have a different God.
W. Is that the answer to the Jews being God's chosen people?
R. To our god we are chosen ones. We are taught that from our
childhood.
W. That is an evasive answer. You know what I mean when I pose such a
question and I don't believe your reply or your explanation.
R. Okay. I don't give a damn what you believe.
W. Do your people believe that Jesus Christ was a Jew?
R. Hell! We're not going back to that again are we? We've already gone
over that.
W. That was before the tape machine was ever turned on. I don't think
we recorded your reply to this question.
R. Well, I can't answer for all Jews. I guess you're asking what Jews
throughout the world believe?
Yes.
R. Jake could answer that better than I.
W. Please, I don't want Senator Javits' answer to anything. I want
your answer.
R. White, I know what you're searching for. I've known from the
beginning but that's all right. You and we are so apart. You're
another breed. You're not our kind. It's not secret that we do not
respect you, and of your kind. (Genesis 3:15).
W. Are you referring to just our kind as 'Christians'?
R. No, you gentiles -- all of you are our enemies. When I was a little
boy, just a kid, very young, we were taught very wisely. Many
centuries ago when the Jews were persecuted in almost every country
and driven out of so many countries -- some of the governments, I
cannot remember exactly whether it was the government of France or
Spain. Anyway, the government demanded that the Jews must become
Christians or be expelled from the country.
W. Yes, I recall reading of this many times.
R. Was it France or Spain.
W. Possibly both but I vividly remember the story of Queen Isabella of
Spain -- how patient she was with the Jews -- always giving them the
benefit of doubt -- until such time as her eyes were opened completely
to the deceptions of the Jews. But please go on.
R. Anyway, the Jews at that time had a very wise Rabbi leader, a world
leader, and his advice was respected throughout the world. He said
that the Jews must pretend to become Christians and bide their time
and make real sacrifices if necessary. We have always been ready to
sacrifice a few thousand Jews in exchange for world leadership. (This
was the plan of the Jews who instigated WW II. Some Jews were
sacrificed so that the "persecution" propaganda could continue.) It is
a small price and there is nothing wrong with that. I was taught that
we Jews must become lawyers so we could control and strangle the
courts, and even the judges, unless they were Jews. We should become
doctors and teachers and leaders in all the churches -- and this goal
has almost been fully accomplished.
I said it before and I'll say it now -- that we will have complete, I
say complete control, throughout the entire world possibly before I
die. We are very successful in keeping you gentiles confused. We
create confusion. (The word Babylon in Hebrew is Babel and means
confusion. The Jews are masters at confusion because they are the
ringleaders of the system known as "Mystery Babylon.") You're not
stupid White. You know that the Jews are successful because of our
unity. We die for one another if necessary. We generously finance our
own, so it is understandable how we govern not only in this country.
We direct American foreign affairs. We are the super government of the
world. Is that enough?
W. Go on. I find what you are saying most interesting. Please go on.
R. We are the most powerful international body of people in the world!
Do you believe that?
W. You speak with such confidence that I . . .
Mr. R. interrupted -- We can destroy any country's economy without
their even being aware of it -- if we want to. I think this is what
you want to hear. (Most Americans are totally unaware that by the
Federal Reserve system their money has been stolen and the economy
debauched.)
W. I'm expecting you to be truthful with me Mr. Rosenthal.
R. Well, it's true. We're smart -- we are powerful and at the proper
time we will mix up your gentile women with the Blacks and in 50 years
you'll be all mixed up. Niggers love to s---w your white women and we
encourage it by using them to our advantage.
W. I recall your saying that the Blacks serve a purpose.
R. Yes, we will use them to a great advantage. (It was primarily by
Jewish merchant ships and Jewish-run slave auctions that the blacks
got to America.)
W. And try to destroy them after you have used them I presume?
R. If necessary. Yes! You and I know they're inferior people, a dumb
race, but can be useful with the use of money. I mean real big money.
Niggers will do anything for money. So, when the time comes -- and you
might even live to see it -- we will have that complete control while
you stupid Christians are waiting for your Christ, the impostor, to
return as your savior.
W. You sound bitter.
R. Not at all. Why should I be bitter? We are on top!!
W. And when this whole sordid story becomes known, the result will be
an aroused citizenry -- an angry citizenry who will want to destroy
you.
R. How? I ask you how? YOU can't reach the people. We have it all
under such control that no one -- no one or no-body can people unless
it is done through our media control. (Who has ahd control of the mass
media in the 20th century? -- Chairman of ABC pp Leonard Goldenson,
President of CBS -- James H. Rosenfield, Chairman of RCS -- David
Sarnoff, Chief Executive of NBC -- Fred Silverman, President of PBS --
Lawrence Grossman, Chairman of Time -- Arthur Heiskell, Editor of U.S.
News & World Report -- Marvin Stone, Chief Executive of Dow Jones --
Warren H. Phillips, Editor of Newsweek -- Lester Bernstein, President
of TV Guide -- Walter Annenberg, President of New York Times --
Sulzberger family, TV program producer -- Norman Lear -- these and
more all are Jews!!) We have it sewed up!! We have infected your
churches completely and we now control the school system in the United
States. It is a reality that we have complete control of organized
Christianity. Almost anywhere -- completely.
W. I find so many things you say to be repulsive. The way you say
things . . .
R. It's what you wanted to hear or you wouldn't have paid good money
for this interview.
W. So long as you are truthful with me -- but you still haven't
answered that question I posed long back -- do you believe that Jesus
Christ was a Jew?
R. As I said, Jake could give you a really intelligent answer. I know
that most of our friends, kids and people I grew up with -- in fact
all of our friends -- I'd say all of them, don't believe Christ was a
Jew. He was an impostor and millions of people all over the world now
believe that Christianity was founded on untruth and deliberate
incorrect translations of your Bible. Christ was a fraud. Even the
National Council of Churches agree that there were false translations
of the book your people respect. It's built on lies. (This comment can
hardly be regarded as coming from a true Christian source since the
National Council of Churches was organized by Jews and its theology is
controlled by them.)
W. According to the latest scholarly research, your ancestors are not
Israelites but Mongolians and Asiatics from Eastern Europe and Western
Asia, so your ancestors were thousands of miles from the Holy Land.
They never, ever saw the Holy Land -- proving that your people were
not the chosen people of God.
R. So what? What difference does it make?
W. We have been taught the big lie for many years that Jews are God's
Chosen people, so it does make a difference. A very grave difference.
R. What grave difference?
W. Does it not prove that the great majority of Jews today are Khazar
in origin. Your ancestors never trod the lands where Christ walked.
They never knew Jerusalem and Palestine so how could . . . (Mr. R.
interrupted)
R. (shouting) What the hell difference does it make now?
W. I find so many things that you have said as being repulsive and
your arrogant manner in boasting, as it were, to admittedly being a
part of this gigantic . . . this heinous plot against mankind -- and
at times, you attempt to brush things off by saying 'what difference
does it make'. So much of what you have admitted staggers me, in fact,
I lack the words . . . (Mr. R. interrupts here).
R. That's because you're a gentile. You don't understand. You never
will! Until it's too late and my hope, personally, is that the
American people do not... (Mr. R. paused here).
W. There is so much of what you have said, that as an individual,
people may not believe you -- they may not believe this
interview...(Mr. R. interrupts).
R. That is why we have the control today. One of the reasons. Your
people did not believe that it was possible for any people or race to
accomplish what we have within a couple of hundred years. The gentile
is stupid. WE are intelligent. I am going to be a very important
person in and around Washington and soon. I intend to become
nationally prominent. You are going to hear and read about me in the
future. I'm young and have had the guts to tell you more than any
other Jew would ever dare to tell you -- at least publicly. I've stuck
my neck out White. Some of what I have told you is part of the inner,
invisible world of Jewry.
W. Looking at you now as I denote your change, I see you as a
despicable bastard -- all of you . . . (Mr. R. interrupts).
R. No one calls me a bastard and gets away with it!!
W. You are all contemptible, base and detestable ---
R. I'll knock your God damn head off if you call me a bastard . . .
W. I wouldn't try it if I were you. I too have friends, many of them
would like a chance to get to you so let's keep this on a formal basis
as it was intended at the beginning. (Mr. R. then said something which
I asked him to spell. He spelled O-Y V-A-Y, Oy Vay, and added oy vay
iz mir, and when asked what it meant he said I would not understand,
but I am including it here because it is on the tape.
W. Many times when referring to a person being a Jew, I have heard it
said, 'Well, I understand he is a Presbyterian or a Catholic.' So, I
would like your opinion or explanation. How do Jews feel about another
Jew who becomes a Christian Scientist or converts to any other
religion? Is he or she no longer a Jew?
R. That can best be answered -- well let me put it this way. I don't
know what your mother and father were -- what nationality I mean . . .
W. My father was British -- English, and my mother was German.
R. Well, if you decided to study Zionism or the Talmud or actually
wanted to become converted and attended the synagogue would that erase
your English or German heritage?
W. Of course not -- but I wanted to hear it from a learned Jew. What
you have said then is that he or she is always a Jew.
R. It's stupid -- stupid. We are what we are! No matter what we join
or adopt it doesn't change what we ARE. I am a Jew and nothing can
change me because I take up another religion. Such stupidity! (This
concept is verified in Scripture by the rhetorical question: "Can the
Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?" And in the
parable of the Tares and the Wheat we find that the Tares (the
children of the wicked) are utterly destroyed. None are saved from the
destroying fire, none are converted into Wheat. God is not going to
change the tares into something they never were.)
W. But the Jews are a great part of this deceit.
R. We have a talent for confusing your issues.
W. You are masters of deceit and this cunning practice of yours has
allowed your people to infiltrate the governments throughout the
world.
R. Why not? Why shouldn't we take over the banks, the universities,
the church and the government if the gentiles are not intelligent
enough to run them? I could not have talked this way a few years ago
but now it is different. There is nothing to undo our strategy in the
world today so I can speak much more freely. What I've disclosed may
help other Jews to speak out if they have any guts. We are not a
pusillanimous race.
W. You're very sure of yourself and your people aren't you?
R. We may be divided in many things, but nothing ever actually
separates us.
W. Who is WE?
R. My people, the Jews are 'as one' when it counts most. No incident
can ever divide us. (Down throughout the centuries Jews have learned
they cannot trust other people. Thus, the Jewish racial bond is their
greatest bond.)
W. I have heard Jews fight each other with venom!
R. Ahh, that's entirely different. Sure we will fight one another but
as I say, when it counts most we're 'as one'. Our forte White is
division and duplicity. It is an infallible weapon and we are skillful
-- perhaps perfectionists in its application. You don't have the
intelligence to compete.
W. But we have a culture that you Jews will never understand or equal.
R. Jews have a family life. Our culture requires a high standard in
education. We establish standards so that our kids exceed that of
their parents. Our people continue to show a dramatic educational
advancement. Our kids' success doesn't depend entirely on schools but
on the family and we are damn proud of these accomplishments. You
can't compete! More than 12,000 doctors are graduated from medical
schools in the United States every year and almost 10,000 of them are
Jews. Among the law students the Jewish percentage is even higher.
Jews are on such a solid foundation here in the United States that any
kind of opposition to our control would only be temporary. You know we
laugh about the, six million story just like the story that Christ was
a Jew and the God's Chosen People story. This should show people that
we have a solidarity like none other in the world. Jews have a
closeness to other Jews whom they have never seen or perhaps even
heard of. (As it is said -"Blood is thicker than water.")
W. Mr. Rosenthal, I hope you haven't lied to me in any of this
interview because if you did we could retaliate on you. Understand?
R. What I have told you is true -- ALL of it. I don't need to lie.
W. I have found the Jews' passion is greed, profit and the destruction
of Christianity. Am I correct?
R. I cannot speak for all Jews.
W. I'm speaking of the great majority of Jews. Am I right?
R. Maybe most Jews feel that way -- but there's nothing wrong with
that!!
W. I think you just go on and on because there is a bitterness within
you and perhaps you say things that even you do not believe. Some of
the things you say are almost unbelievable.
R. Well I don't give a good God damn what you believe. I've given you
honest answers and opinions. Now no more questions. And don't forget
our agreement -- if I learn that the tapes are used other than what we
agreed upon you will suffer serious consequences. Do you understand?
W. I understand. And now Mr. Rosenthal, here is the balance of the
money agreed upon for this interview.
-- FINIS --
Dear reader -- after the tape machine had been turned off, I accused
Harold Rosenthal of not living up to our agreement in replying
truthfully to my question as to the Jews being God's Chosen people. He
replied:
"We are god's chosen people . . . Most Jews do not like to admit it,
but our god is Lucifer -- so I wasn't lying -- and we are his chosen
people. Lucifer is very much alive."
I was stunned. I had no further comment. I had watched this arrogant,
boastful person change at times like a chameleon that changes its
color. Many times he showed a hatred -- yes, even a venom. At the
conclusion I felt unclean being around him.
The Hidden Tyranny Has Been Revealed
Much of what Harold Wallace Rosenthal said brought to the surface a
reality we veterans have known all along -- but this "Jewish"
treachery is more shocking when getting it all in one package.
It has been alleged that Harold Rosenthal was killed because he talked
too much so it is understandable, if true, inasmuch as he made such
shocking statements almost seven years ago that we now see as a
reality. As an example we cite the staggering exploitation of the
Negro and the Black presence everywhere today. We minimized Mr. R's
boastings of their control of our churches. Unbelievable then. Now, in
the Fall of 1983 it is a reality that the "Supreme Court sanctions IRS
approved State Churches."
When Rosenthal made such statements about church control we felt that
he was bragging, but the present-day persecution of the church and its
ministries here in America by the government is today a FACT. If you
were told that a sheriff and three deputies would wait in the darkness
of midnight to arrest a Pastor, one Everett Sileven, in Omaha,
Nebraska, because he intended to resume the daily educational ministry
in Faith Baptist Church in Louisville -- you would not have believed
it six years ago. Today, however, it is just another bizarre episode
in one of the most incredible stories in American history. Organized
Jewry is determined and the 'Final Oppression of Christianity via
Taxation and Regulation is now FACT'.
The enemy is not coming. The enemy is here. War has been declared on
Christianity, churches, religious freedoms, the true American Way, and
the white race. Are other freedoms worth standing for; living for;
fighting for; dying for? If so, let's stand up and be seen and speak
up and be heard. The time to fight for freedom is while we still have
the freedom to do so. Christians are to be the salt of the earth and
the light of the world. Salt and light are dominion qualities. It is
time for Christians to exercise Godly dominion -- and if by the
instrument of governmental authority a people is being driven to its
destruction, then rebellion is not only the right but the duty of
every member of that people.
The hot blood which stood us at Concord still flows in our veins! We
need true Americans for the defense of America against Jewish tyranny
and there are millions of freedom-loving, red-blooded Americans out
there waiting to be told. So let us ally ourselves together in the
refusal to permit those alien devils from ruining our once great
nation.
When the American people really discover and realize what the
unspeakable Jew has perpetrated, their wrath will know no bounds, and
the gutters will run deep with blood.
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Quintal
raciste, xénophobe et je ne sais plus quoi...ah oui, faf' !!!
c'est très simple, comme je ne me soumets pas à la menace, elle est
exécutée. Comme je ne m'auto censure pas, et j'ose POSER DES
QUESTIONS, il reste donc à m'étiquetter antisémite, ou raciste, etc.
L'argumentation n'a aucune place dans cette calomnie qui m'est
infligée et elle n'a d'ailleurs bien entendu jamais lieu. Je présente
des points de vue, parfois présentés également par des antisémites,
donc je suis la bète noire, c'est une simple tactique de
décrédibilisation, d'assassinat du messager afin, encore et toujours,
de censurer le message, et la pensée des lecteurs.
messieurs les censeurs bonjour
appelez moi comme vous voulez
la caravane passe.
mich...@tiscali.fr
Quintal a écrit :
En l'occurence , là tu ne poses pas vraiment de questions ,tu
n'argumente pas non plus et tu te contentes de balancer des liens et
des copier-coller
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> fr.soc.complots,francom.esoterisme,fr.soc.sectes,alt.conspiracy,fr.soc.
> politique
Tu n'es pas sans savoir, Xavier, que ta propagande antisémite n'a rien à
faire sur les forums francophones.
Les délires de ton gourou cinglé n'intéressent que les dingos dans ton
genre et tu ferais bien de te faire soigner plutôt que de continuer à
polluer avec les m... que te passent sous la main.
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: news:0r7ac19tf2h1kah0c...@4ax.com:
> je crois que j'ai compris pourquoi je me fais traiter d'antisémite, de
> raciste, xénophobe et je ne sais plus quoi...ah oui, faf' !!!
Et malade mental, Xavier, n'oublies pas que tu es un grand malade.
> c'est très simple, comme je ne me soumets pas à la menace, elle est
> exécutée. Comme je ne m'auto censure pas, et j'ose POSER DES
> QUESTIONS, il reste donc à m'étiquetter antisémite, ou raciste, etc.
Ben tu recopies de la propagande antisémite Xavier.
> L'argumentation n'a aucune place dans cette calomnie qui m'est
> infligée et elle n'a d'ailleurs bien entendu jamais lieu. Je présente
> des points de vue, parfois présentés également par des antisémites,
Ah, tu en as encore vaguement conscience, tu n'es pas complétement cinglé
encore... Et les soucoupes volantes, ça marche ?
> donc je suis la bète noire,...
Non, juste un antisémite amateur de soucoupes volantes et de magie noire...
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> more about the protocols on:
Xavier "Qintal" se lance dans la propagande antisémite...
http://www.phdn.org/antisem/protocoles/origines.html
C’est la plus célèbre - et la plus tragique - des falsifications du
XXe siècle, à la base du mythe antisémite du « complot juif mondial ».
Le texte des Protocoles des Sages de Sion vient de livrer son dernier
mystère: un historien russe, Mikhail Lépekhine, a établi l’identité de
son auteur, grâce aux archives soviétiques. Elle permet de comprendre
pourquoi il a fallu attendre si longtemps pour connaître cet épilogue:
le faussaire, Mathieu Golovinski, qui a effectué sa besogne à Paris,
au début du siècle, pour le représentant en France de la police
politique du tsar, était devenu, après la révolution russe de 1917, un
notable bolchevique... La découverte de ce sinistre pied de nez
historique permet de combler les dernières lacunes dans l’histoire
d’une imposture qui, après avoir fait beaucoup de ravages en Europe,
connaît un destin encore florissant dans beaucoup de régions du monde.
Les Protocoles sont en fait « lancés » dans le grand public par le
Times de Londres du 8 mai 1920, dont un éditorial intitulé « Le Péril
juif, un pamphlet dérangeant. Demande d’enquête» évoque ce « singulier
petit livre », auquel il semble accorder du crédit. Le Times se
rattrape un an plus tard, en août 1921, en titrant « La fin des
Protocoles » et en publiant la preuve du faux. Le correspondant à
Istanbul du quotidien britannique avait été contacté par un Russe
blanc réfugié en Turquie qui, visiblement bien informé, lui avait
révélé que le texte des Protocoles était le décalque d’un pamphlet
français contre Napoléon III. Une vérification rapide avait prouvé la
falsification: les Protocoles reprenaient effectivement le texte du
Dialogue aux Enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu, publié à Bruxelles
en 1864 par Maurice Joly, un avocat antibonapartiste qui voulait
montrer que l’empereur et ses proches complotaient pour s’emparer de
tous les pouvoirs de la société française. Utilisant ce texte oublié
qui avait valu deux ans de prison à Maurice Joly, le faussaire des
Protocoles avait remplacé « la France » par « le monde » et « Napoléon
III » par « les juifs ». La supercherie, grossière, éclatait par
simple comparaison ligne à ligne des deux textes. Le faux était
dévoilé, mais le mystère de son origine demeurait. On savait
simplement que le texte original était rédigé en français et l’on
supposait qu’il avait pu être fabriqué au tout début du siècle, à
Paris, dans les milieux de la police politique russe.
C’est dans les archives du Français Henri Bint, agent des services
russes à Paris pendant trente-sept ans, que Mikhail Lépekhine a
vérifié que Mathieu Golovinski était le mystérieux auteur du faux.
Recevant en 1917 à Paris Serge Svatikov, l’envoyé du nouveau
gouvernement russe de Kerenski chargé de démanteler les services
secrets tsaristes et de « débriefer » - et parfois retourner - ses
agents, Henri Bint lui explique que Mathieu Golovinski était l’auteur
des Protocoles et que lui-même a notamment été chargé de la
rémunération du faussaire. Le dernier ambassadeur du tsar, Basile
Maklakov, étant parti avec les archives de l’ambassade, qu’il donnera
en 1925 à la fondation américaine Hoover, Serge Svatikov achète à
Henri Bint ses archives personnelles. Rompant ensuite avec les
nouveaux dirigeants bolcheviques, Svatikov dépose les archives Bint à
Prague, dans le fonds privé des « Archives russes à l’étranger ». En
1946, les Soviétiques mettent la main sur ce fonds qui rejoint à
Moscou les archives d’Etat de la Fédération de Russie.
Quintal
ces textes constituent pourtant des questions pour moi plutot que des
affirmations. C'est un forum, ouvert aux contradictions et aux
réponses en tout genre.
Dans le sujet des protocoles de sages de sion, et de l'interview dont
parle mon post, je ne sais si c'est un mensonge ou non. Pour ce qui
est de la domination par les juifs, je ne sais pas dans quelle mesure
c'est vrai. J'en parle parce que c'est un sujet important. Ca vous
semble pas bizarre qu'il soit mal vu voire interdit de parler de ce
qui est pourtant jugé important? On appelle ça un tabou. Je n'ai
aucune opinion arrètée sur les juifs et leur pouvoir vis à vis
d'autres races ou religions (sont ils une race ou une religion? là
aussi, faut voir).
Je lis un texte d'un antisémite, c'est pour moi un questionnement
aussi. En quelle mesure ce qu'il dit est vrai? Je lis un texte qui
contredit un texte antisémite, c'est aussi pour moi un questionnement:
en quelle mesure ce texte est il de la propagande ou de l'information?
J'apprécie quand c'est cette dernière. Je teste. Je ne me contente pas
de penser où on me dit de penser, et de conclure ce qu'on me dit de
conclure. Je me refuse à cette soumission.
Perso je n'ai aucune affinité, ni passé d'affinité, avec la théorie
d'une domination juive sur les autres populations. Je l'ai dit pour me
défendre d'un jobard qui me traite de raciste, mais c'est simplement
vrai : ce n'est pas dans mon histoire ni mon éducation. Je crois
amplement à la domination d'une petite élite sur les affaires
mondiales, domination tyrannique et hautement destructrice, mais
identifer ce petit nombre de dirigeants à une race juive ou une
religion juive me semble... burlesque. Et pourquoi pas un autre peuple
ou une autre religion? C'est assez débile, pour moi, d'envisager qu'un
ensemble humain est négatif. Ca contredit une loi fondamentale que je
chéris. Je ne suis pas tellement manichéen ni n'apprécie les boucs
émissaires. Même dans ma vision de la chose, les seuls vrais
responsables de notre soumission c'est nous mêmes. Pour ce qui est de
cette élite, ils sont certainement, et évidemment, et facilement
identiables comme satanistes, ça c'est clair. Mais pour moi le
christianisme est une autre forme de satanisme. Dans quele mesure les
juifs sont ils formés par leur religion à instrumentaliser les autres?
bof... je ne vois pas tant de rositude de l'autre coté de l'enclos, à
savoir chez les chrétiens et les musulmans... tout cela est du meme
tonneau pour moi. Pourtant j'apprécie fort les chrétiens dans le point
de vue qu'ils apportent, mais je suspecte que si j'étais d'extraction
juive, et d'éducation athée comme je le suis, ce serait aux orthodoxes
juifs que je me réfèrerais pour retrouver un peu de verticalité.
j'ai lu le bouquin de david duke après en avoir entendu parler sur
alt.conspi. Ca semblait convaincant, mais j'ai fini par trouver une
contradiction calme et argumentée qui prouvait que c'était un tissu de
mensonges. Tant mieux car les conclusions de duke sont noires.
voilà voilà... si j'affirme qqchose ici c'est, comme je viens de le
dire, que j'ai le droit de penser ce que je veux, et meme de le dire.
Et que toute personne ou groupe qui tend à me retirer cette liberté
est mon ennemi, et me sous-estime.
non seulement j'ai la liberté d'exercer ma volonté pour diriger mes
pensées, mais aussi d'utiliser mon jugement moral pour les évaluer.
Je suis le directeur de ma vie, et celà inclut mes pensées. Pour ce
qui est de mes actes, je comprends que des lois existent pour
sauvegarder la liberté de tous. Par contre les lois qui tendent à
diriger la pensée des populations sont, et c'est l'évidence même,
fascistes et inquiétantes. Que croyez vous que pensent les américains
des lois européennes qui interdisent de dire certaines chose sur
certaines personnes? Je sais que beaucoup de participants de ces
newsgroups francophones sont très content d'approuver ces lois. Je
trouve cela stupide, sans pitié pour cette stupidité non plus.
Stupide, OU mal intentionné, d'ailleurs.
J'ai longtemps été dirigé par la propagande qui m'interdisait de ne
serait-ce qu'écouter ce qu'ont à dire les gens dits d'extrème-droite.
Je sais comment marche cette manipulation pour en avoir été l'objet.
C'est à cette police de la pensée, opérée par tout un chacun, que je
me référais ici.
je me fous qu'un tel pense de moi que je suis raciste. Qu'il reste
dans sa merde, qu'il croie à ses mensonges ou pas d'ailleurs.
Quintal
>Xavier BERGANTZ alias "Quintal" <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit
>: news:0r7ac19tf2h1kah0c...@4ax.com:
>
>> je crois que j'ai compris pourquoi je me fais traiter d'antisémite, de
>> raciste, xénophobe et je ne sais plus quoi...ah oui, faf' !!!
>
>Et malade mental, Xavier, n'oublies pas que tu es un grand malade.
>
>> c'est très simple, comme je ne me soumets pas à la menace, elle est
>> exécutée. Comme je ne m'auto censure pas, et j'ose POSER DES
>> QUESTIONS, il reste donc à m'étiquetter antisémite, ou raciste, etc.
>
>Ben tu recopies de la propagande antisémite Xavier.
Et alors? Tu ne la copierais pas toi? Tout dépend du motif toto. La
propagande antisémite est intéressante. C'est interdit de la recopier?
Oui d'ailleurs, légalement ça l'est.
>> L'argumentation n'a aucune place dans cette calomnie qui m'est
>> infligée et elle n'a d'ailleurs bien entendu jamais lieu. Je présente
>> des points de vue, parfois présentés également par des antisémites,
>
>Ah, tu en as encore vaguement conscience, tu n'es pas complétement cinglé
>encore...
c'est nouveau ça, malade et cinglé... jusqu'où s'arrèteront ils,
s'pas?
ça vous amuse votre stupidité grossière?
vous croyez produire quel effet avec ces calomnies puériles?
> Et les soucoupes volantes, ça marche ?
plait-il?
exemplaire vraiment, merci de répondre à mon appat si brillamment, moi
qui parlais de police de la pensée opérée par les moutons, vous
répondez promptement à l'appel et nous en donnez un échantillon tout à
fait représentatif, merci encore.
>> donc je suis la bète noire,...
>
>Non, juste un antisémite amateur de soucoupes volantes et de magie noire...
ah bon... ça va le délire?
vous dessinez ça sur les murs de votre cellule? ;-)
Quintal
désolé, le sujet de mon post n'est pas les protocoles, mais une
interview.
rendez vous donc utile et trouvez une contradiction de cette
interview, au lieu de nous sortir votre tract éculé sur les
protocoles.... un peu de créativité que diable, un minimum quoi !
je ne vous demande pas de la contredire vous meme, votre tirade de
calomnies puériles dans votre précédent post me laissant supposer que
vous en êtes incapable.
Quintal
>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:l41ac1h3vnkmh10ct...@4ax.com:
>
>> fr.soc.complots,francom.esoterisme,fr.soc.sectes,alt.conspiracy,fr.soc.
>> politique
>
>Tu n'es pas sans savoir, Xavier, que ta propagande antisémite n'a rien à
>faire sur les forums francophones.
selon quel point de vue? légal? Citer un texte qui dit que les juifs
controlent la société américaine, c'est antisémite? Ben faut sortir le
soir, ya des tas de juifs qui le disent.
Pour ce qui est de la légalité, je sais que c'est interdit, en effet.
Mais c'est une loi fasciste de controle de la pensée. Je serais bien
tache de m'y soumettre, ce qui vous donne une idée de ce que je pense
de l'attitude ce ceux qui essaient d'y soumettre les autres mdr
Quand en plus ils emploient la calomnie puérile pour arriver à cette
fin....bref mon gars tu peux pas tomber plus bas.
Et tu vois, je n'ai rien inventé à ton propos pour te le dire, et meme
le prouver, à la différence de ce que tu fais envers moi. Tu devrais
changer de tactique mdr
>Les délires de ton gourou cinglé
??? de qui parle t il? mdr
> n'intéressent que les dingos dans ton
>genre et tu ferais bien de te faire soigner plutôt que de continuer à
>polluer avec les m... que te passent sous la main.
ben mon gars envoie moi ta police de la pensée (la vraie, pas les
pauvres gars dans ton genre qui se croient fonder à jouer ce role) et
on verra ok?
Victor de Kin
suis juif et pas plus tard qu'hier j'ai participé à une réunion, de
Juifs, où on a décidé de tout pour tout le monde pour la semaine
suivante. Je peux bien sur pas te dire ce qu'on a décidé, c'est
secret. Ceci est une conspiration ne l'oublions pas!
Victor de Kin
PS: Si seulement ça pouvait être vrai! malheureusement au lieu
d'être les maîtres du monde (et qui refuserait?) on est obligé de se
farcir tous les connards de la terre sans exceptions, puisque le plus
petit dénominateur des antisémite c'est la médiocrité. Si j'essayes
de passer inaperçu, ma faiblesse excitera les lâches. Si je lève la
tête, je déclenches l'envie des minus. Je suis pas le maître du
monde. C'est un gros con blanc et chrétien qui est assis sur ce
trône, en train de bouffer une crasse devant sa télé ou de polluer
tout seul dans sa bagnole.
Quintal
>Ouais Quintal, les Juifs dirigent le monde.
vous prétendez que je l'ai dit? que je le pense? ni l'un ni l'autre.
J'ai dit le contraire, et je ne mens pas (moi).
Bon, je cite un texte qui le prétend. Vous savez faire la différence
entre ce qu'on cite et ce qu'on dit?
> C'est vrai. Moi-même je
>suis juif et pas plus tard qu'hier j'ai participé à une réunion, de
>Juifs, où on a décidé de tout pour tout le monde pour la semaine
>suivante. Je peux bien sur pas te dire ce qu'on a décidé, c'est
>secret. Ceci est une conspiration ne l'oublions pas!
parfait...
>
>Victor de Kin
>
>PS: Si seulement ça pouvait être vrai! malheureusement au lieu
>d'être les maîtres du monde (et qui refuserait?) on est obligé de se
>farcir tous les connards de la terre sans exceptions, puisque le plus
>petit dénominateur des antisémite c'est la médiocrité.
quelle prétention!
donc les juifs se farciraient tous les connards? il n'en resterait pas
pour les autres? et pourquoi donc? haha vous vous trahissez... c'est
un complexe de supériorité, que vous révélez malgré vous.
> Si j'essayes
>de passer inaperçu, ma faiblesse excitera les lâches. Si je lève la
>tête, je déclenches l'envie des minus.
vous confirmez ce complexe.
> Je suis pas le maître du
>monde. C'est un gros con blanc et chrétien qui est assis sur ce
>trône, en train de bouffer une crasse devant sa télé ou de polluer
>tout seul dans sa bagnole.
donc le juif s'opposerait au chrétien? c'est encore vous qui le dites.
comme c'est bizarre.
Max
Je trouve que tu es dans ton "bon droit" !
En même temps, je trouve particulièrement stupide ceux qui te trairent
d'antisémite au lieu de soulever les "éventuels mensonges"
des textes que tu transmets, ce serait beaucoup plus constructif,
... et efficace, alors que là, ça ressemble beaucoup à une position
dogmatique,
donc à un conditionnement.
Bernard
Quintal
<xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> wrote:
>On 2 Jul 2005 18:45:15 -0700, "Victor de Kin" <l...@altern.org> wrote:
>
>>Ouais Quintal, les Juifs dirigent le monde.
>
>vous prétendez que je l'ai dit? que je le pense? ni l'un ni l'autre.
>J'ai dit le contraire, et je ne mens pas (moi).
>Bon, je cite un texte qui le prétend. Vous savez faire la différence
>entre ce qu'on cite et ce qu'on dit?
je vais répondre plus précisément à votre procès d'intention.
Est ce que je pense que "les juifs dirigent le monde"? Non, pas
spécialement. Par contre, j'observe que:
1/ Des juifs le disent. Des non-juifs le disent. Des tas de gens le
disent. Je ne connais pas d'autre peuple qui soit ainsi montré du
doigt. "les juifs contrôlent tout". Je ne sais pas dans quelle mesure
c'est vrai, ou c'est du fantasme. Au début je ne pouvais prendre ça
que pour du fantasme vu que je n'avais aucun élément pour comprendre
ce que cette phrase voulait dire. Maintenant, je comprends qu'une
main-mise sur les organes de pouvoir économique et politique peut
faire dire et conclure cela.
2/Je constate également que les juifs sont éduqués pour cela, dans cet
esprit. Un peu comme les chrétiens sont éduqués pour profiter des
peuples du tiers monde. C'est dans leur formation, leur culture, et
leur mode de vie. Le juif controle le chrétien, le chrétien controle
le tiers monde. Les musulmans sont aussi dans ce jeu de pouvoir.
3/ vous croiriez dans tout cela que je m'identifierais aux chrétiens?
Ben je le suis par descendance, mais j'ai peu de sympathie pour le
point de vue chrétien dans cette histoire. Ma sympathie va
naturellement aux peuples traditionnels et chamaniques. Eux
représentent pour moi la vraie civilisation, celle qui dure et ne vit
pas de vampirisme. Le vampirisme de MA civilisation (pas de celle des
juifs, notez bien) m'abhorre. Je n'apprécie pas que chaque pas que je
fasse soit fait au prix de la vie de dizaines d'esclaves de par le
monde.
Je pourrais continuer longtemps comme ça à vous expliquer mon point de
vue, mais j'en ai dit assez pour le moment. Essayez de comprendre
qu'il n'est pas ce que vous projetez dans votre immense fantasmatique.
Vous au moins ne m'avez pas calomnié directement et grossièrement.
C'est déjà pas mal.
Ah oui, je rappelle que dans ma vision du monde, ce ne sont pas "les
juifs" qui "dirigent le monde", mais les 13 familles illuminati. Et je
le dis tout à fait sincèrement. Je sais que beaucoup prennent celà
pour un codage, un déguisement verbal "des juifs". Ca ne l'est pas du
tout dans mon esprit. Que les rothschild se disent juifs me fait
doucement rigoler. C'est une couverture, aussi bien raciale que
religieuse. Ces gens là n'appartiennent à aucune religion
institutionnelle telle que l'est le judaisme, ni à aucun peuple autre
que le leur propre, et ça fait pas beaucoup de gens. Ils disent qu'ils
appartiennent à tel ou telle religion ou groupe humain, pour servir
leurs intérèts. Evidemment qu'ils ne vont pas vous dire, comme il a
été rapporté que Bush père et autres leaders mondiaux aient dit en
entretien privé, "nous sommes une vieille race d'extra-terrestres
reptiliens venus de la quatrième dimension qui dirige cette planète et
vous ne vous en rendez pas compte". La théorie E.T. est aussi une
simple théorie dans mon esprit, mais elle rend bien compte de
l'étrangeté de la chose. Ce qui est concret, c'est leur satanisme
extrème. Le judaisme est il du satanisme? Pas plus que le
chrisitianisme ou l'islam, de mon point de vue. Les juifs en général
sont ils des satanistes? Ce serait stupide de le croire. Je répète, je
ne crois pas, car ça me semble tout simplement incohérent, qu'un LARGE
groupe humain puisse être négatif. Quelques familles peuvent être
destructrices et parasitaires par rapport à l'humanité entière, ça oui
c'est possible. Une large population? Dans un sens léger, comme nous
le sommes vis à vis des peuples du tiers monde en ce moment, oui. Dans
un sens lourd, dans le genre "nous sommes là pour vous exterminer et
vous esclaviser", non.
Les êtres humains sont partout pareils. Les gouvernants jouent aux
échecs bien entendu, mais la population de tout pays est exactement la
même, de braves gens qui vivent leur vie. S'identifier à son carré de
patate et prendre celui du voisin pour le diable est stupide (et c'est
être un instrument des gouvernants). Dans ce sens je me désolidarise
complètement des chrétiens dont j'apprécie pourtant les contributions
sur le web.
A part ça il ya la théorie énoncée par alice bailey comme quoi "le
peuple juif" (mais encore faudrait il savoir de qui elle parle
précisément, peut-être pas de ceux qu'on appelle juifs habituellement)
sont les redoublants du précédent système solaire. D'après cette
théorie, notre système solaire a trois phases de manifestation
séparées par des ré-absorptions/sommeils (en gros physiquement il
existe et disparait trois fois), et au cours de chaque phase la note
dominante est un aspect différent de la trinité : intelligence, amour,
volonté.
La première phase, qui serait passée, aurait été celle de l'activité
intelligente. La seconde, qui serait en cours, donc après une
disparition du plan physique du système solaire suivie d'une
reformation, vous voyez que c'est dans une perspective qui franchit
allègrement les milliards d'années, aurait pour fonction de manifester
l'amour et non plus l'intelligence. Au cours de chaque phase, une
"vague d'humanité" évolue sur chaque planète (il y en a 7), à
différents degrés de manifestation, plus ou mons physique (compliqué
mdr). Bref... à la fin de chaque phase, tous les êtres humains n'ont
pas atteint le but ultime de l'évolution humaine, certains passent
leur examen final et passent au delà du règne humain, d'autres ne
réussissent pas cet examen, et redoublent. Lors de la seconde phase de
manifestation du système, ceux qui ont redoublé du premier
recommencent dans le second... mais ils ont une putain d'expérience
derrière eux, de savoir, capacité, etc... et naturellement n'ont
aucune envie ni affinité à se méler à ceux qui viennent tout juste de
s'incarner au début du cycle. Vous voyez l'idée? Ca fait, dans les
propres termes d'alice bailey, du peuple juif un peuple SUPERIEUR. Je
me suis beaucoup amusé à citer cela et surtout à voir le résultat.
Bailey se faisait traiter de façon récurrente de sale antisémite, mais
par ce texte j'ai prouvé que si elle est raciste elle était pro-juive,
puisqu'elle disait que les juifs sont supérieurs aux autres. Ce qui
est amusant, c'est que depuis que j'ai fait ça je n'ai plus jamais vu
personne (et c'était vraiment récurrent pendant des années et fait par
plusieurs personnes) attaquer bailey pour racisme. Comme quoi le
racisme pro-juif ça ne soulève pas d'attaques mdr.
Enfin on pourrait parler du noeud du problème vous ne croyez pas? Et
il tient au mode de vie des juifs, évidemment. Un peuple qui se fond
dans une population, ça ne peut que créer des tensions. Je rencontre
un juif demain, je peux ne pas savoir qu'il est juif. Alors que si je
recontre un américain ou un sénégalais, je risque de m'en apercevoir ô
combien plus facilement. Le juif peut vivre en france, et n'avoir
aucune espèce de sympathie pour les intérèts français. Il est donc un
ennemi potentiel, parfaitement dissimulé. C'est la situation du
parasite, qu'elle soit utilisée comme telle ou pas. Evidemment que ça
crèe des tas de problèmes, pouvez vous vous mettre à la place des
autres peuples qui ont une terre et qui affichent leur appartenance
raciale et culturelle?
Ou préférez vous cracher votre haine de ceux qui vous attaquent.
Alice Bailey, citée plus haut, qui prenait les juifs pour un peuple
supérieur, disait également qu'ils sont responsables de leurs
problèmes (et donc des persécutions dont ils ont été l'objet dans
l'histoire), à cause de leur séparativité. C'est surtout ça qui fait
rager ceux qui la traitent d'antisémite sur le web.
Ca ressemble à un problème d'identité dans une psyché adolescente.
On est très agressif et susceptible, et on veut des privilèges
exorbitants. Bref on ne trouve pas sa place et on attaque pour se
défendre.
Grandissez un peu?
Pour vous dire le fond de ma pensée, je suppose avoir été juif dans
mes vies passées (pour le pouvoir), mais avoir choisi les non-juifs
pour m'incarner ensuite (pour l'équilibre au sens large du terme).
Je ne me vois pas comme juif dans mes vies passées, mais en observant
ce jeu de pouvoir je me dis que ça correspondrait bien à ma
personnalité actuelle.
Je n'ai aucune envie de m'identifier à une élite (car oui, dans mon
esprit je ne me vois pas comme faisant partie du peuple juif pour etre
un manant, mais un membre de l'élite dirigeante), donc je n'ai aucune
envie de m'identifier à une élite dirigeante sataniste. Je préfère
perdre tout pouvoir plutot que perdre mon âme (donc ma responsabilité
morale) et c'est un trait dominant de mon identité.
Si vous croyez que je contredis là ce que je disais plus haut à propos
des juifs n'étant pas l'élite dirigeante, relisez. Et essayez de
déprogrammer cette fantasmatique paranoiaque surtout.
Quintal
<electron.l...@tele2.fr> wrote:
>Salut Xavier,
>
>Je trouve que tu es dans ton "bon droit" !
>En même temps, je trouve particulièrement stupide ceux qui te trairent
>d'antisémite au lieu de soulever les "éventuels mensonges"
>des textes que tu transmets, ce serait beaucoup plus constructif,
exactement, et ça m'intéresserait.
Je ne prends pas ce que j'ai cité à propos d'une interview d'un juif
haut-placé expliquant que les juifs dominent le monde, pour argent
comptant. Mais mes contradicteurs préfèrent la basse calomnie à
l'argumentation calme et utile. Ce serait très facile de prouver que
cette interview est un faux. Je n'en déduis pas pour autant que c'est
vrai, juste que j'ai pêché le lot habituel de demeurés.
en général dans ce débat sur les protocoles ou autre texte apparenté
je n'apprécie pas qu'on me dise ce que je dois penser ou dire.
J'apprécie par contre les contradictions réellement argumentées et
informatives.
>... et efficace, alors que là, ça ressemble beaucoup à une position
>dogmatique,
>donc à un conditionnement.
>
>Bernard
ben ouais, ils se piègent eux-mêmes car ce n'était pas non plus mon
intention.
je ne sais pas si les juifs dominent le monde, mais par contre je
constate qu'ils entendent bien diriger ma pensée et ma liberté
d'expression à leur sujet en me traitant d'antisémite à cause de leurs
fantasmes. Ils font de meme pour jeff rense (pas ranse, abruti
paranoiaque et venimeux de cojot) qui a pourtant des tas de juifs qui
le défendent et qui sont bien plus durs envers leur peuple que ne le
sont les soi disant antisémites pré-cités.
david icke aussi s'est fait attaquer par l'ADL mais ça s'est retourné
contre l'ADL mdr
une chose est sure, il faudrait que "les juifs" acceptent que les gens
disent ce qu'ils ont envie de dire, surtout quand la haine du juif n'y
est pas. Mais après tout, même si elle y est. C'est quoi ce besoin de
tout régenter hmm?
oui, je sais, la persécution dont ils ont été l'objet dans l'histoire.
Et alors? Ca ne leur donne pas de droits extraordinaires sur les
autres.
Quintal
après tout, si vous en avez marre de faire fantasmer les autres,
sortez donc de votre position camouflée hmm? arrètez de vivre en hôtes
d'un peuple, affichez votre appartenance et votre terre. N'est ce pas
logique de vous suspecter des pires intentions avec une telle
attitude? Bref prenez vous en à vous memes au lieu de me faire
chier...
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:39:26 GMT, Quintal
sts99
"Quintal" <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de
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> >PS: Si seulement ça pouvait être vrai! malheureusement au lieu
> >d'être les maîtres du monde (et qui refuserait?) on est obligé de se
> >farcir tous les connards de la terre sans exceptions, puisque le plus
> >petit dénominateur des antisémite c'est la médiocrité.
>
> quelle prétention!
> donc les juifs se farciraient tous les connards? il n'en resterait pas
> pour les autres? et pourquoi donc? haha vous vous trahissez... c'est
> un complexe de supériorité, que vous révélez malgré vous.
>
>
> > Si j'essayes
> >de passer inaperçu, ma faiblesse excitera les lâches. Si je lève la
> >tête, je déclenches l'envie des minus.
>
> vous confirmez ce complexe.
>
> > Je suis pas le maître du
> >monde. C'est un gros con blanc et chrétien qui est assis sur ce
> >trône, en train de bouffer une crasse devant sa télé ou de polluer
> >tout seul dans sa bagnole.
>
> donc le juif s'opposerait au chrétien? c'est encore vous qui le dites.
> comme c'est bizarre.
Les masques tombent.
Salut.
® ¥
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> je vais répondre plus précisément à votre procès d'intention.
Il ne s'agit pas de procès d'intention. Vos propos, monsieur Bergantz et
les liens que vous fournissez indiquent que vous appartenez à une branche
antisémite d'une quelconque secte new-age.
Vous dia-publiez de la propagande antisémite sur 5 news-groups, vous êtes
donc un propagandiste antisémite.
® ¥
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> Pour ce qui est de la légalité, je sais que c'est interdit, en effet.
Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses excuses...
sts99
"Quintal" <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 08:49:39 +0200, "Max"
> <electron.l...@tele2.fr> wrote:
>
> >Salut Xavier,
> >
> >Je trouve que tu es dans ton "bon droit" !
> >En même temps, je trouve particulièrement stupide ceux qui te
trairent
> >d'antisémite au lieu de soulever les "éventuels mensonges"
> >des textes que tu transmets, ce serait beaucoup plus constructif,
>
> exactement, et ça m'intéresserait.
> Je ne prends pas ce que j'ai cité à propos d'une interview d'un juif
> haut-placé expliquant que les juifs dominent le monde, pour argent
> comptant. Mais mes contradicteurs préfèrent la basse calomnie à
> l'argumentation calme et utile. Ce serait très facile de prouver que
> cette interview est un faux. Je n'en déduis pas pour autant que c'est
> vrai, juste que j'ai pêché le lot habituel de demeurés.
C' est comme dans les médias, ils ont trop peur des mots pour débattre.
Salut.
Quintal
>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:f57fc1hm5c23gmkgl...@4ax.com:
>
>> je vais répondre plus précisément à votre procès d'intention.
>
>Il ne s'agit pas de procès d'intention. Vos propos, monsieur Bergantz et
>les liens que vous fournissez indiquent que vous appartenez à une branche
>antisémite d'une quelconque secte new-age.
ah bon mdr
vos propos ci dessus indiquent que vous prenez vos fantasme spour la
réalité.
Citez donc ce qui étayeraient votre calomnie-accusation.
(sans l'étayer, c'est juste une calomnie...)
>Vous dia-publiez de la propagande antisémite sur 5 news-groups, vous êtes
>donc un propagandiste antisémite.
eh ben voilà
vous portez quoi comme lunettes?
Quintal
plait il? non seulement tu calomnies, mais en plus tu es procédurier?
tu les accumules.
Et je te parle de loi de cause à effet. A ce tribunal là, je
t'attends.
Quintal
>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:f57fc1hm5c23gmkgl...@4ax.com:
>
>> je vais répondre plus précisément à votre procès d'intention.
>
>Il ne s'agit pas de procès d'intention. Vos propos, monsieur Bergantz et
>les liens que vous fournissez indiquent que vous appartenez à une branche
>antisémite d'une quelconque secte new-age.
www.rense.com
allez y voir, donc... vous y trouverez pas mal de juifs qui défendent
Jeff Rense et son postage de ce que vous traitez de propagande
antisémite.
>Vous dia-publiez de la propagande antisémite sur 5 news-groups, vous êtes
>donc un propagandiste antisémite.
d'autre part (puisque vous parlez tout seul, moi aussi j'en
profite...)
Not All Jews Are Zionists
Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our
Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also
many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its
contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.
Words of the Rabbis Opposing Zionism - Today's Quote
Rabbi Chaim Soloveichik of Brisk Rabbi Chaim Soloveichik of Brisk
Rabbi Chaim Soloveichik of Brisk
Rabbi Chaim Soloveichik of Brisk (1853-1918), the founder of the
"yeshiva approach to Talmudic study," was frequently quoted by his
disciples as saying:
"The Zionists do not make Jews heretics in order to have a state, they
want a state in order to make Jews into heretics!"
Or, as he once wrote:
"The Jewish people have suffered many (spiritual) plagues -- the
Sadducees, Karaites, Hellenisers, Shabbatai Zvi, Enlightenment, Reform
and many others. But the strongest of them all is Zionism."
This hideous strength was later explained by his son, the Brisker Rav,
Rabbi Velvel Soloveichik (1886-1960) as being due to the Zionists
having "attacked the center point of Judaism.
Do these words of the Zionists represent YOU?
Read the words of the Zionists and decide for yourself if Zionism
represents your interests and beliefs.
Words of the Zionists - Today's Quote
Theodor Herzel
The founder of modern Zionism
Herzl stated in his diary
“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews.. . become worse. . .
this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent
idea. . . I shall induce anti-Semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . .
The anti-Semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen
the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-Semites shall be our
best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
encore de la propagande antisémite? mdr
Rense's zionism data page
http://www.rense.com/Datapages/zionismdata.htm
------
Jews Against Zionism:
"...it is our obligation to make it known in order that everyone
should understand that the Zionists are not the nation of Israel...
and it is most definitely our holy obligation to announce before those
nations of the world that the Zionists are not the spokespeople of the
nation of Israel..." - Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum
"It (labeling people 'anti-semitic') has been a handy and effective
weapon which has destroyed countless careers and is responsible for
the totally illegitimate Zionist regime. Zionists have cleverly
suggested for a hundred years, by smearing their critics as
'anti-Semites,' that the Zionists are the legitimate conquerors of
Palestine. Zionists have never actually SAID they were Semitic - just
that their enemies are 'anti-Semitic.' Pretty neat...and completely
dishonest. But in light of the genuine anti-Semitism of the Zionists
it becomes a bizarre obscenity when these non-Semitic aliens accuse
their Semitic victims of 'anti-Semitism'.
I believe this is the central issue regarding The Jewish Question.
When awareness of this matter becomes more widespread, and it will
now, the Zionist state will lose support even from the deluded
Christians, who need Semitic-type Jews running "Israel" for the
fulfillment of their bloody dreams. The Zionists will be exposed as
pseudo-religious gangsters." --J. Bruce Campbell
"Once a day on average I get a letter from someone asking me how I
could allow myself to be published and interviewed by Jeff Rense, the
popular web and radio host who publishes way too much anti-Israel
material. I have no problem answering, "Because he lets me, which is
more than I can say about the mainstream Jewish media." Jeff Rense is
an honest voice and he permits me to reach a huge audience of New Age
Lefties, and misguided Righties bombarded with lies about Israel.
-Barry Chamish Author: Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin, The Last Days Of
Israel - Israeli Edition, and Israel Betrayed
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Attempts To Smear Rense.com As 'Anti-Semitic' Continue
allez je cite en entier, vous l'avez amplement mérité...
Rense.com
Attempts To Smear Rense.com
As 'Anti-Semitic' Continue
11-26-3
To keep you advised about how freedom of speech and inquiry is being
increasingly attacked by certain special interest groups, we thought
it time to post another update report. Not a week goes by that we
don't receive threats or intimidation at the hands of those would
impose a fascist silence over any news or editorial commentary of
which they disapprove. From email harassment to telephone threats,
there is no shortage of neo Brown Shirt, book-burning freedom-hating
enemies of our besieged Constitution, The Bill Of Rights and YOUR
right to be informed and to entertain alternative viewpoints on ALL
subjects. That, after all, is what true journalism is all about.
The issue is ZIONISM and how it has hijacked Judaism and the nation of
Israel and is using them as worldwide geopolitical tools of
suppression, control, massive manipulation, spying, bribery,
blackmail, influence peddling and God only knows how many other
things. No, Isreal is not the only nation that is engaged in such
endeavors but it is certainly up near the top of the list in terms of
brilliance,
sophistication, ruthlessness and results.
Zionist Israel is, in fact, now among the top five arms merchants on
the planet and many of its huge sales of advanced and deadly
technology are often being made to America's sworn enemies. The irony
of much of the arms and technology export business in Israel is that
it is being paid for and underwritten with US taxpayer money via the
never-to-be-repaid 'loan guarantees' our rubber stamp Congress has
given the Zionist state for many decades.
As is well-known by most scholars and students of Mideast history,
Zionists have used Judaism and Jews for their own devices for
centuries. As the brilliant Jewish scholar, Lenni Brenner, has
documented beyond doubt, the Hitler government offered ALL Jews safe
passage out of Europe in 1942 in exchange for a few million dollars.
When top Jews went to the world Zionist headquarters in Switzerland
and informed its leaders of the offer and requested the funds, they
were turned down on the spot. The Zionists told the Jews that many
Jews had to die during the war to guarantee them the leverage to force
the creation of the state of Israel after the war. Zionist-Third Reich
collaboration is one of the darkest of all WWII secrets.
For nearly a century, Zionism has cleverly hidden behind the brilliant
tool of immediately assaulting anyone who dares criticize Zionist
Israel or Zionist Jews AND Zionist Christians as being 'anti-semites.'
This technique has been extremely successful...until the last few
years when it began to exposed as the contrived device it is, used by
Zionists to dominate critics, generate fear and shut down debate.
The majority of people who visit this site condemn such clear and
transparent efforts to restrict freedom of speech, inquiry, and
intellectual consideration of the facts of history. Radical Zionists
are the new Brown Shirts, book-burners and censors. And they have
nothing to do with millions of Jews of good faith and pure heart.
Further, and most ironic, is the term 'anti-semitic' itself and how it
has been willfully misused by Zionists since WWII. Semitic peoples are
most of the people in that region of the Middle East...Jews,
Palestinians and Christians are ALL semitic peoples. In fact, the
recent discovery by British genetic scientists proving there is
virtually zero genetic difference between Semitic Israelis and
Palestinians was very quickly suppressed in the British and world
press. So, the next time you hear the term 'anti-semitic', remember it
actually applies to many different peoples and groups in the Middles
East, most specifically to Jews AND Palestinians who have lived in the
area for over two millennia.
Zionism's roots stem from much further north in what is now the
southern CIS (Russia). The Ashkenazy peoples, long known as a
dominating, manipulative force in the region, adopted Judaism between
900-1000 AD and have been using it to astonishing achievement ever
since. These are NOT Semitic Jews...and they form the core of today's
Zionist Jews
All of this has been documented for centuries and there are vast
numbers of articles and papers on this issue online. Here now, are a
few emails from people, Jews and Christians and others, who are
outraged at Zionist efforts to dominate by intimidation and
threat...especially in trying to label this site as 'anti-Semitic' and
'racist', etc.
If one wants to see racism, one needs look no farther that the racist,
apartheid nation of Zionist Israel and its treatment of the
Palestinian people...topped off with the building of the WALL. That
huge numbers of Jews have recently fled Israel is a well-kept secret.
We are informed there are long lists of Israelis trying to gain
passports to get out. And then there are the heroic Jews who reject
Zionism completely...and one need look no farther than the Israeli
Army 'Refuseniks' to find examples of noble Jews who have decided to
say 'NO' to their Zionist controllers. And then there are enlightened
Jewish organisations like 'Jews Against Zionism' who speak out against
the status quo and seek to inform the world that not all Jews approve
of the policies of the current regime in Israel.
The following email was sent to a number of the advertisers at
Rense.com. We are extremely proud of the strong-willed and fair-mined
people who advertise and support this site. They are all resolved to
resist attempts for wipe out your right to knowledge and independent
commentary. As you can see from the reply of one of our advertisers
below, those special interest provocateurs shall not succeed.
Typical Threat Letter...
From: "shiff"
sh...@kaspu.com
Subject: Your advertising on Jeff Rense's website
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003
You advertise your products on Jeff Rense's web-site (www.rense.com).
You should know that Rense has lately been publishing blatantly
anti-jewish articles, including a number by David Duke, the former
head of the Ku Klux Klan. That being the case, why would I use your
products?
(Note - There are no articles 'by David Duke' on rense.com! Nor are
there 'anti-Jewish' articles. See our Zionism DataPage, many articles
of which are written by our Jewish colleagues and political
commentators. -ed)
Answers to the 'Shiff' email...
From:Walter
budsvi...@aol.com
To: sh...@kaspu.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003
Rense Advertiser - Movie Swords & Weapons
Hi,
And thanks for the inquiry. I am glad that a great site like
www.Rense.com is not afraid to expose Anti-American Zionist agendas.
In fact, they and Fox News were one of the few media outlets with the
guts to post the story about 150+ Jewish spies who were arrested here
right after 9-11. David Duke is a former State Elected Official. His
membership with the KKK was decades ago. What a coincidence his recent
conviction was lead by a Jewish Prosecutor under the threat of a trial
by an all black jury. I have read that Jews in 1938 were quite unhappy
with Nazi Germany's Boycott of their goods. It seems you are using
these SS like tactics yourself. This is America. We all have a right
to speak. Even the politically incorrect. Even us "Goyim."
Comment
From Clark McClelland
3-19-3
Jeff - The MAIN reason you are attacked by Zionist interests is that
you are producing the greatest thing they fear more than anything else
- - - THE TRUTH!
No other place on the Internet is as forward and HONEST as RENSE!
Keep it up, PATRIOT!
Clark
Comment
From M. Johnson
Hawaii
3-19-3
Aloha Jeff,
I can't work up much surprise over the fact that Zionist organizations
have a problem with your site. They should. It's one of the few places
they are regularly and rightfully exposed, and predominately by other
Jews tired of their lies, viciousness and manipulation. To out the
Zionists is not anti-Semitic. To reveal the truth is not anti-Semitic.
To question, even condemn, Israeli policy is not anti-Semitic. To call
into question Zionists loyalty to America, their embarrassing power in
media and government and their effort to remap the mid East to their
liking is not ant-Semitic. That these people would like to make these
things crimes only proves their desperation. Good. That means you're
having an effect. More power to you. You are much appreciated.
Comment
From
Roger Wilson
3-19-3
BRAVO...BRAVO!
What a great stand for free speech you and your advertisers have
taken! This will inspire many fence-sitters to come forward and take a
stand. Maybe this will be the first shot of many heard around the
world.
God Bless,
Roger Wilson
Comment
From Vince White
3-19-3
From a non-agreeing supporter...
I have been a loyal reader of your web site for five years. My primary
interests are UFOs and related issues. I agree with many who speak on
the threats to our freedom and liberties in the wake of 9-11.
What I am upset about are those who make threats, and try to
intimidate you concerning your opinions on the war with Iraq, even
though I strongly disagree with you! They do not understand the role
free debate plays in our nation. I have appreciated hearing the other
side. I am sure if our troops find evidence of chemical and biological
weapons, and Saddam's many torture chambers, those findings will also
be presented in a balanced manner, on your web site.
Keep the UFO material coming, for the national dailies fail miserably
on this count.
A loyal reader,
Vince
Comment
From Stu
3-19-3
Regarding the article "Attempts to Silence Rense.com continue".
I just had to write to the person stating that you are posting
articles that are "blatantly anti-Jewish"... as follows:
Dear shiff
Just read your mail to an advertiser at Rense.com:
"You advertise your products on Jeff Rense's web-site
(http://www.rense.com). You should know that Rense has lately been
publishing blatantly anti-jewish articles, including a number by David
Duke, the former head of the Ku Klux Klan. That being the case, why
would I use your products? "
I have been reading articles posted on the Rense site for a couple of
years, and have not seen one yet that is against the Jewish people - I
take it that this is what you mean by "anti-Jewish".
Please....could you send me a link to such an article.. or articles?
Yours respectfully
Stu
Comment
From Jack Miller
3-19-3
Hello Jeff,
As you well know Jewish interest groups have successfully shut down
some sites by either the means they are trying with yours or through
hacking. Usually it's because who ever was being targeted backed down
like good little dogs. It's refreshing to see your advertisers are not
these types. I don't even worry about you backing down.
The truth hurts, Jeff. They operate under their form of truth (the
truth being whatever benefits them at the moment) and their forever
cry of victimhood. As the one email you posted attests, they also will
resort to lies trying to spin it into truth. Look how well the dance
in D.C. to the spinning tunes.
I imagine they have already used their greatest weapon on you. Their
finger pointing accusation of anti-semitism. It's okay and just (in
their minds) for them to be very guilty of anti-gentilism (made that
word up). They can be, they are always the victim you know. That's
what being the tellers of truth has been labeled. No matter how solid
the evidence is if it's against the Jewish agenda, then it's
anti-semitism. Label me all you want. If it's the truth, I shall tell
it until it spreads.
You keep fighting the good fight, Jeff. You're committing NO criminal
act against them. Your site tells the TRUTH from all sides of the very
important issues of the day. There is something wonderful in that
because you're one of the few sites who do this.
Sincerely,
Jack Miller
Comment
From Daren Handley
3-19-3
Dear Jeff,
Remembering an article about the Wiesenthal Hate Sites list once
posted on your website, I went to wiesenthal.com and checked to see if
you had made the "Antisemitic Sites" list and you hadn't. You are not
anti-any-tribe. You are a truth seeker's truth seeker, and the
Ziozealots wouldn't give you publicity anyway because of your true
purpose to help make us free. We Love you.
Comment
From Jeff
3-19-3
Dear Jeff - I salute you and your efforts. May God always protect and
empower you. Is there anything a 3 year reader like myself can do to
help your cause? I believe in you and that your fight is righteous and
very important to all people that are seeking the truth. Its time for
Americans to wake up and stop these Gestapo tactics that are being
used to shut down free thought. Only tyrants fear the truth and their
is no place for tyrants under our constitutional system. These forces
will fail in the end. Just like the fact that you can't kill religion
is an axiom so is it certain that you cannot kill the truth.
Sincerely,
Jeff in Alaska
Comment
From Bernie Pattison
To Judith Moriarty
3-19-3
Hey Jude, I think you are a friend of Jeff Rense. You have often
quoted him, and if you approve of him then he's OK in my book, too.
Tell him for me that I think he is a decent and honourable man for the
stance he has taken against the war.
(To Jeff...)
It can't be easy owning a website and continuing your philosophy in
the face of the abuse you get.
I think the time is rapidly coming when people like Jeff who speak out
about the evil of men like Bush, Rummie and Cheney are going to find
themselves being attacked by the government, it is the next illogical
step from where we are.
Rense.com is read very widely here, and I make sure everyone I know is
up to date on it.
Good on you both for the fine people you are.
Love,
Bernie
Comment
From Michael Feeney
3-19-3
Jeff, Whatever it takes, people like me and many others will come to
your defense post haste in the event of any kind of assault upon your
integrity.
If it takes $$ for legal defense, whatever, I am there. Go get 'em
Jeff.
You help provide light in a world filled with many narrow-minded
fools, like the fraud running this country. This also applies to the
many innocents who blindly believe and follow him, though they have
been mislead by propaganda.
Behind you 100%
Mike Feeney
Los Angeles, CA
Comment
From Donald
3-19-3
Hi...Our Fearless Leader!
Just wanted to say--- People Who Attack You Are The Terrorists.
Comment
From Alfred Lehmberg
3-20-3
Salute!
You've got a lot of stone, friend, and (given the winds that blow to
stay or affect your course to the star you see...) if you stay your
present path (?) they'll be talking about - your - journalistic
integrity and communicational incisiveness centuries after Cronkite is
-dead-. Oh, and for the bottom fanners (?), you are not an
anti-Semite. You just don't think -anyone- or -anything- should be
above a justified criticism. Jews are, by demonstration, a grand and
worthy people, a great people... they're just not above criticism (and
will be the first to cop to it!). It's a real pity that some just
refuse to see the difference. "Roll on" be damned! "Read on"! There's
a lot more bang per buck! I'm proud to be associated (however
tangentially!) with you!
Lehm...@snowhill.com
Rense.com A Hate Site?
Note - Thanks to those of you who have brought the fact that the
Weisenthal organization had once labeled rense.com a 'hate site' to
our attention. We are proud to be so 'honored' and appreciate the
publicity such slander provides for our news forum as many more will
now visit to see the 'hate' news stories from thousands of outstanding
journalists, scientists, and researchers from around the world...many,
many of them Jewish scholars, writers and journalists of world renown.
Rather than submit articles and reports to be considered for posting
(like everyone else does), some of these Zionist 'arbiters of the
truth' resort to public defamation in an effort to subvert free
speech, open journalism, and to impose their will and dogma on others
through fear and intimidation.
Contrary to the 'monopoly press'...this site endeavors to present all
sides of controversial issues, including the Israeli-Palestinian
tragedy. Apparently, ANY stories critical of Zionist Israel qualifies
as 'hate' to some.
Furthermore, routinely posting the articles of such extraordinary
Jewish writers such as Israel's Barry Chamish, Dr. Henry Makow, Israel
Shamir, Sherman Skolnick, and scores of others, evidently also
represents unacceptable levels of 'hate' to some.
From Dave
Subject: Simon Weisenthal Center Lists
Rense/Sightings as "Hate Site"
Greetings. Apparently the Simon Weisenthal Center has classified your
site as a 'hate site'. Absurd, isn't it? Here's the link if you want
to see for yourself.
http://www.wiesenthal.com/d_hate/links_antigov.html
(Note again - this link was taken down shortly after the public
outrage over labeling this site a 'hate site'...)
Comments
This letter was sent to the Weisenthal center
Dear friends --
I have a question which I hope you might be able to spare a moment to
answer -- Apparently the web site www.rense.com/sightings.com has been
listed as a "hate site" by the Simon Wiensenthal Center -- --
I am Jewish and not all that politically conservative either --
In fact, many people would stereotype me as a "Left Winger" (as it
happens I'm not) -- Born and raised in NYC, I'm proud to be a product
of the civil rights movement, the '60s counter culture (gravely
imperfect as it was) and the anti-Viet Nam war resistance -- I am
also, I thought, usually pretty alert to signs of
crypto-hatemongering, much less the more blatant expressions of
bigotry and discrimination -- That's why I am perplexed to learn that
Sightings has been identified as a web site that fosters hate -- I
have visited that site on a daily basis for the past 3 years and also
receive the Jeff Rense Weekly Enews -- In all the days and months of
reading their reprints and postings, I have not encountered any
indication that Jeff Rense or his staff endorse or condone hate --
Sightings specializes, indeed they revel in gathering and bringing to
public attention, a variety of non-mainstream, unconventional and even
unpopular information, ideas and opinions --
Except on the most rarest of occasions, materials culled for posting,
no matter how offbeat or aroused by outrage, are always those written
in a sober, well composed, thoughtful manner -- It is precisely this
provocatively maverick daring brand of news collecting that makes
Sightings for me intriguing and valuable! -- -- So no surprise then,
if some of the reprints they post don't always conform to my nice
little view of the world -- For instance :
Once in a while, some of the reprints posted are opposed to same
gender sex, (as it happens I am not )--
Once in a while, some of the reprints are anti-abortion, (as it
happens I am not) --
Once in a while, some of the reprints they post, strike me as
espousing opinions more extreme than what I personally believe --
Once in a while, some of their postings impress me as spineless and
sappy --
Once in a while, some of their postings express ideas wildly divergent
from my conception of things --
Once in a while, something they put up sounds to me as though its
author lives in an alternate reality from the one I know --
Once in a while, I imagine to myself that I can guess whether or not a
given reprint is by or about someone who might be a bigot --
Once in a while I suppose, I might have even been correct -- Still, no
matter how vehemently I've ever disagreed with the content of a
particular reprint, never have I detected anything that suggests to me
that rens.com approves of much less promulgates hatefulness -- If
anything, when suitable for their special journalistic style, they
will on occasion courageously bring certain egregious sources of hate
to the attention of their readers, usually with a disclaimer --
Generally though, they focus mostly on less flamboyant material that
questions or discredits conventionally held assumptions and mores --
All of which requires genuine bravery as it is guaranteed that just
like other unwanted people, places and things, the staff are bound to
accumulate a wide assortment of enemies, some of whom are no doubt
capable of being quite vindictive if not violent -- As you know only
too well, vehemently disapproving of something is not the same as
hating it -- I flatly believe UFOs exist --
Others passionately believe they do not and often seek to squash and
belittle the ideas of people who think otherwise -- So if some mean
spirited someone passionately thinks that we UFO types are dangerous
morons and then travels far and wide sneering at and denigrating our
varied heartfelt beliefs; such behavior of course, rotten as it may be
for myself and like-minded folks, does not by itself constitute hate
-- Yes, it can be deeply troubling, excruciatingly painful and
infuriating, and even at times terribly frightening to have people
drag down and trample upon the ideas and beliefs one holds most dear
-- It's not nice, it's no fun, it totally stinks - but that's just
life in a pluralistic society and not ipso facto hate --
I truly regard HATRED as the most deadly and destructive pollutant
humans discharge into the environment -- Misidentifying something as
HATRED is perhaps the second most dangerous -- I would be relieved and
appreciative if someone at your center could spare a few minutes to
help me understand where I am missing the hate being committed by
rense.com/Sightings" --
My sincerest thanks for your assistance -
Yours truly,
William Nathan Dasheff
From James Carmody
Subject Hate Crimes
To: webm...@wiesenthal.com
Tell me, was the murder of the sailors on the USS Liberty (by Israel)
a hate crime?
What if I put up a web page with links to all the USS Liberty net
items (including Admiral Moorer's excellent article)? Would that
constitute a hate crime?
What if I added a web page showing how much the US gives per capita to
Israelis and how that money is used? Would that be a hate crime?
What if I gave wide publicity to your efforts to purge the net of
anything remotely critical of Jews or Israel? Would that be a hate
crime?
I think you have thrown a boomerang. Be sure to duck.
From Paul Reischmann
Subject: Hate site?
Hello Jeff!
I read your note on being labeled as a 'hate' site by Wiesenthal.com.
After I stopped laughing, I thought maybe they mean that your site is
one that THEY hate, since your postings are the most balanced I have
seen anywhere, and illustrate the 'media cartel' monopolistic
jealousy.
For what it is worth, when I first started reading your postings years
ago, I have found that I no longer need the 'major media'. I was a TV
addict, but I have been television free for more than five years now!
For those who are still addicted, the withdrawal symptoms (and there
are withdrawal symptoms!) only lasts about a week or so, but the
addictive TV 'habit' can be conquered.
It is long overdue that I extend my gratitude and thanks to you for
your web site. Your web site scoops CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. more times
than I can count.
I won't even bother to visit Wiesenthal.com since I don't want them to
include me as one of their web page hits.
Thanks again!
Best Regards-
Paul Reischman
From Bill McNamara
Subject: Truth
If truth is hateful, may we all be as hateful as Jeff Rense. Your page
is balanced, fair and a breath of fresh air compared to mainstream
biased media.
Keep up the good work.
Bill McNamara
From S. T.
Subject: Rense Hate Site
Perhaps you should start a list of "Anti-Democracy" sites and list
theirs! :-)
"I see in the near future a crisis...corporations have been enthroned
and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money
power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working
upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a
few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln, Nov.,
1864
From George L. Moneo
Subject: "Hate" sites on the Internet
Hi Jeff, not only are you on the ridiculous "anti-government" list,
but William Thomas of chemtrails fame is there, too! What are these
idiots thinking? Are we at the historical point in this country when
expressing disgust with the state is equivalent to "hate"?
God help us.
Keep up the good work.
Regards,
George L. Moneo
From John Ludi
Subject: Hate Site??!!!
11-1-00
Jeff,
I would just like to say that I frequent your site on a regular basis
and have found it extremely useful and informative. While I feel that
some of the articles here and there appear to have been written by
individuals who may be a few fries short of a Happy Meal, I cannot
fathom how anyone would consider your site a hate site. To see
sightings.com on that list next to all of the militia sites was a bit
surreal to say the least.
From Beth
Subject: Sightings a Hate Site???
Maybe we should be thanking those people for putting your site up
there. I was able to find a bunch of really good anti-gun control
sites! Here's to being a hate site! ~Beth
PS. All those sites and no NRA? Further, how was being ready for the
Y2K collapse that didn't happen being hateful??
From: Lori Goltl
I love your site. The news and stories on it are excellent. As for
being included in 'hate sites'...please. Your site is the furthest
thing from it. Keep up the good work. I have told many about your
site, and I will continue to tell others about it.
Lori
From Steffan B
Hi, Jeff,
I'm sorry that you're being harrassed by Weisenthal, but, as they say,
the only thing worse than bad publicity is no publicity. Mark Twain,
upon learning that the New York critics had panned "Huck Finn"
responded by thanking the critics for selling 25,000 extra copies of
the book.
I'm glad you had the courage to take on the "hate group" set. I
remember reading a few rather pointed essays by Dr. Chiappalone on
Zionism that showed the difference between ontological zionists and
Jews. You might take a look at them for subsequent postings.
I recall that you have posted some of my articles in the past, and
while it was irrelevant to you at the time they were posted, it
becomes more relevant now, given the attack. I have Jewish blood.
Keep on exposing the lies,
Steffan Bertsch
Jeff,
Thanks for bringing us your great site. I've just seen the link about
wiesenthal.com. It is sad that an organisation with the aim of
enlightenment seems to be doing precisely the opposite by listing
sightings.com. I can't for the life of me see why sightings.com is
listed - it is very evenly-biased, and carries stories from both sides
of the centre of political correctness. Thank you for your site - it
is a bastion of free speech and even-handedness.
Thank you,
Gwyn
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merci de votre attention mdr
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news:uavgc15r9akmg4i2u...@4ax.com:
> On 03 Jul 2005 13:31:09 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
>
>>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>>news:ereec1tpjkrbg37pj...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Pour ce qui est de la légalité, je sais que c'est interdit, en effet.
>>
>>Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses excuses...
>
> plait il? non seulement tu calomnies, mais en plus tu es procédurier?
On peut dire que les paradoxes ne t'effraient pas Xavier !
Je te cite : "je sais que c'est interdit, en effet".
Puisque tu sais que c'est interdit tu commet donc un délit en toute
connaissance de cause.
> tu les accumules.
> Et je te parle de loi de cause à effet. A ce tribunal là, je
> t'attends.
Pas que ça à faire, pauvre toqué.
Quintal
c'est bien un procès d'intention. Vous affirmez que je publie ces
textes (qui sont anti-sionistes et non antisémites d'ailleurs), dans
le but de promouvoir la haine des juifs. Sur quoi basez vous cette
affirmation? Sur vos fantasmes.
Quintal
>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:uavgc15r9akmg4i2u...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 03 Jul 2005 13:31:09 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>>>news:ereec1tpjkrbg37pj...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Pour ce qui est de la légalité, je sais que c'est interdit, en effet.
>>>
>>>Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses excuses...
>>
>> plait il? non seulement tu calomnies, mais en plus tu es procédurier?
>
>On peut dire que les paradoxes ne t'effraient pas Xavier !
>Je te cite : "je sais que c'est interdit, en effet".
>Puisque tu sais que c'est interdit tu commet donc un délit en toute
>connaissance de cause.
>
>> tu les accumules.
>> Et je te parle de loi de cause à effet. A ce tribunal là, je
>> t'attends.
>
>Pas que ça à faire, pauvre toqué.
AH D'ACCORD, monsieur fait un fu2 sans l'annoncer, c'est pour ça que
je ne voyais pas mes réponses
ah l'enculé.... ça ne m'étonne pas de toi tiens...
eh ben on va aller les chercher hein, on va pas se laisser censurer de
façon cachée comme ça pas vrai?
eh bien ça te fera 3 réponses pour le prix d'une, "pauvre andouille"
toi meme.
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On 04 Jul 2005 06:28:57 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:uavgc15r9akmg4i2u...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 03 Jul 2005 13:31:09 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>>>news:ereec1tpjkrbg37pj...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Pour ce qui est de la légalité, je sais que c'est interdit, en effet.
>>>
>>>Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses excuses...
>>
>> plait il? non seulement tu calomnies, mais en plus tu es procédurier?
>
>On peut dire que les paradoxes ne t'effraient pas Xavier !
>Je te cite : "je sais que c'est interdit, en effet".
>Puisque tu sais que c'est interdit tu commet donc un délit en toute
>connaissance de cause.
bien sur, mais tu as dit autre chose que cela, l'oublies tu? regarde
pourtant 6 lignes plus haut:
"Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses
excuses..."
ça veut donc dire que je vais passer au tribunal. Ca sous-entend donc
que tu vas t'en assurer.
>> tu les accumules.
>> Et je te parle de loi de cause à effet. A ce tribunal là, je
>> t'attends.
>
>Pas que ça à faire, pauvre toqué.
mais mon gars, tu n'as pas le choix. Tu payes pour toutes tes actions,
pauvre andouille.
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je croyais avoir répondu à ce post, dsl si j'ai créé une nouvelle
enfilade.
On 04 Jul 2005 06:28:57 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:uavgc15r9akmg4i2u...@4ax.com:
>
>> On 03 Jul 2005 13:31:09 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>>>news:ereec1tpjkrbg37pj...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Pour ce qui est de la légalité, je sais que c'est interdit, en effet.
>>>
>>>Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses excuses...
>>
>> plait il? non seulement tu calomnies, mais en plus tu es procédurier?
>
>On peut dire que les paradoxes ne t'effraient pas Xavier !
>Je te cite : "je sais que c'est interdit, en effet".
>Puisque tu sais que c'est interdit tu commet donc un délit en toute
>connaissance de cause.
on peut dire que tu ne sais lire et prendre en compte ce que tu écris
toi meme, et auquel je répondais pourtant!
"Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses
excuses..."
CECI est une menace, monsieur, et je n'apprécie pas de me faire
menacer, ni calomnier.
>> tu les accumules.
>> Et je te parle de loi de cause à effet. A ce tribunal là, je
>> t'attends.
>
>Pas que ça à faire, pauvre toqué.
désolé, mais tu n'as aucun choix en cette matière, la loi de cause à
effet s'applique à tous et partout... le résultat de tes actions
t'attend. Et c'est PAS une menace. Tu calomnies, tu en reçois la
réaction. Tu menaces, tu en réçois encore la réaction (et pas que de
moi). Pauvre toqué toi meme.
Si tu crois pouvoir etre injuste et malhonnète sans en subir de
conséquences dans ta vie, tu es vraiment pitoyable. Si tu crois que
tes menaces de poursuites légales me font peur, tu reves.
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que dis-je, ça en fait 5 sur fsp... remerciez votre pote les mecs...
Quintal
c'est du terrorisme intellectuel que vous pratiquez.
vous calomniez et vous menacez jusqu'à ce qu'on se conforme à votre
propagande, n'est ce pas?
avec vous c'est interdit de dire qqchose d'antisioniste, car on se
fait traiter d'antisémite et menacer de procès.
et hop tout le monde marche au pas et répète vos bondieuseries... "ouh
la la c'est mal de parler du suprématisme juif, c'est les nazis qui en
parlent, voulez vous être un nazi?" etc...
et non, je ne suis pas un propagandiste antisémite, mais vous en etes
un autre... allons voyons, propagandiste certainement, sioniste
apparemment.
vous etes aussi anti liberté de pensée et d'expression, vous voulez
que tout le monde se soumette à votre idéologie tyrannique et vous
employez calomnie et menaces (pour le moment déjà) pour cela.
désolé, mais non, critiquer le sionisme n'est pas etre anti sémite ni
faire de la propagande antisémite ni etre un propagandiste anti
sémite. Je crains que vous croyiez à ce que vous dites, auquel cas
vous avez grand besoin de cohérence et de discernement.
® ¥
news:g57ic19u3rickgl7f...@4ax.com:
> c'est du terrorisme intellectuel que vous pratiquez.
Non, vous commettez un délit sciemment, en toute connaissance de cause.
> vous calomniez
Ben non, puisque je dis ce qui est, à savoir que vous publiez de la
propagande antisémite.
> et vous menacez jusqu'à ce qu'on se conforme à votre
> propagande, n'est ce pas?
Quelle menace ?
Assumez vous propos antisémites monsieur Bergantz.
® ¥
news:g57ic19u3rickgl7f...@4ax.com:
> désolé, mais non, critiquer le sionisme n'est pas etre anti sémite
Tu ne t'es pas contenté de critiquer le sionisme Xavier, relis tes
insanités, les messages dans lesquels tu compares les Juifs à des parasites
par exemple.
Et ceux dans lesquels tu laisses entendre que les "protocoles de sages de
Sion" n'étaient pas sans fondement.
LOI du 29 juillet 1881
Loi sur la liberté de la presse, article 24 :
"Ceux qui, par l'un des moyens énoncés à l'article 23, auront
provoqué à la discrimination, à la haine ou à la violence à l'égard
d'une personne ou d'un groupe de personnes à raison de leur origine
ou de leur appartenance ou de leur non-appartenance à une ethnie, une
nation, une race ou une religion déterminée, seront punis d'un an
d'emprisonnement et de 45000 euros d'amende ou de l'une de ces deux
peines seulement."
® ¥
news:756ic1du66iob6car...@4ax.com:
> AH D'ACCORD, monsieur fait un fu2 sans l'annoncer, c'est pour ça que
> je ne voyais pas mes réponses
Retourne dans ton cabanon Xavier, et arrête de polluer comme un malade les
forums avec ta propagande raciste.
Tu vas encore pleurnicher mon grand !
® ¥
news:bl5ic1trp5f7e67q5...@4ax.com:
> c'est bien un procès d'intention. Vous affirmez que je publie ces
> textes (qui sont anti-sionistes et non antisémites d'ailleurs), dans
> le but de promouvoir la haine des juifs. Sur quoi basez vous cette
> affirmation? Sur vos fantasmes.
Sur tes propos antisémites Xavier. Ceux que tu publies sur différents
forums. Si tu ne t'en rends pas compte, adresse toi à un psy.
Quintal
>Xavier Bergantz alias Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:bl5ic1trp5f7e67q5...@4ax.com:
>
>> c'est bien un procès d'intention. Vous affirmez que je publie ces
>> textes (qui sont anti-sionistes et non antisémites d'ailleurs), dans
>> le but de promouvoir la haine des juifs. Sur quoi basez vous cette
>> affirmation? Sur vos fantasmes.
>
>Sur tes propos antisémites Xavier.
Quels propos antisémites? Citez donc, au lieu de calomnier.
> Ceux que tu publies sur différents forums. Si tu ne t'en rends pas compte, adresse toi à un psy.
Toi de même. Ou lis donc ce que je cite en fin de post.
Si tu ne te rends pas compte que tu fais de la propagande par la
calomnie, en essayant de me diaboliser par des accusations mensongères
afin de décrédibiliser ce que je dis et le rendre inopérant, tu as
peut être besoin d'un bon psy oui en effet.
Ma personne n'a aucun intérèt dans ce débat. Réponds donc à ce que je
dis autrement qu'en me calomniant, bac-à-sable. Tu veux que je te
contre-calomnie pour que tu voies ton niveau dans ce débat, en effet
miroir? Tu en aurais sans doute besoin, mais ce n'est pas non plus mon
role de te prendre en charge.
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http://www.rense.com/general48/zntiz.htm
Rense.com
Anti-Semitism Vs Anti-Zionism -
A Practical Manual
By Uri Avnery
CounterPunch.org
1-20-4
A Hungarian Joke: During the June 1967 war, a Hungarian meets his
friend. "Why do you look so happy?" he asks. "I heard that the
Israelis shot down six Soviet-made MiGs today," his friend replies.
The next day, the friend looks even more jubilant. "The Israelis
downed another eight MiGs," he announces.
On the third day, the friend is crestfallen. "What happened? Didn't
the Israelis down any MiGs today?" the man asks. "They did," the
friend answers, "But today someone told me that the Israelis are
Jews!"
This is the whole story in a nutshell.
The Anti-Semite hates the Jews because they are Jews, irrespective of
their actions. Jews may be hated because they are rich and
ostentatious or because they are poor and live in squalor. Because
they played a major role in the Bolshevik revolution or because some
of them became incredibly rich after the collapse of the Communist
regime. Because they crucified Jesus or because they infected Western
culture with the "Christian morality of compassion". Because they have
no fatherland or because they created the State of Israel.
That is in the nature of all kinds of racism and chauvinism: One hates
someone for being a Jew, Arab, woman, black, Indian, Muslim, Hindu.
His or her personal attributes, actions, achievements are
unimportant. If he or she belongs to the abhorred race, religion or
gender, they will be hated.
The answers to all questions relating to anti Semitism follow from
this basic fact. For example:
Is everybody who criticizes Israel an anti-Semite?
Absolutely not. Somebody who criticizes Israel for certain of our
actions cannot be accused of anti-Semitism for that. But somebody who
hates Israel because it is a Jewish state, like the Hungarian in the
joke, is an anti-Semite. It is not always easy to distinguish between
the two kinds, because shrewd anti-Semites pose as bona fide critics
of Israel's actions. But presenting all critics of Israel as anti-
Semites is wrong and counter productive, it damages the fight against
anti-Semitism.
Many deeply moral persons, the cream of humanity, criticize our
behavior in the occupied territories. It is stupid to accuse them of
anti-Semitism.
Can a person be an anti-Zionist without being an anti Semite?
Absolutely yes. Zionism is a political creed and must be treated like
any other. One can be anti-Communist without being anti-Chinese, anti-
Capitalist without being anti American, anti-Globalist, anti-Anything.
Yet, again, it is not always easy to draw the line, because real
anti-Semites often pretend just to be "anti-Zionists". They should not
be helped by erasing the distinction.
Can a person be an anti-Semite and a Zionist?
Indeed, yes. The founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl, already
tried to enlist the support of notorious Russian anti-Semites,
promising them to take the Jews off their hands. Before World War II,
the Zionist underground organization IZL established military training
camps in Poland under the auspices of the anti-Semitic generals, who
also wanted to get rid of the Jews. Nowadays, the Zionist extreme
Right receives and welcomes massive support from the American
fundamentalist evangelists, whom the majority of American Jews,
according to a poll published this week, consider profoundly
anti-Semitic. Their theology prophesies that on the eve of the second
coming of Christ, all Jews must convert to Christianity or be
exterminated.
Can a Jew be anti-Semitic?
That sounds like an oxymoron. But history has known some instances of
Jews who became ferocious Jew-haters. The Spanish Grand Inquisitor,
Torquemada, was of Jewish descent. Karl Marx wrote some very nasty
things about the Jews, as did Otto Weininger, an important Jewish
writer in fin-de-siecle Vienna. Herzl, his contemporary and fellow
Viennese, wrote in his diaries some very uncomplimentary remarks about
the Jews.
If a person criticizes Israel more than other countries which do the
same, is he an anti-Semite?
Not necessarily. True, there should be one and the same moral standard
for all countries and all human beings. Russian actions in Chechnya
are not better than ours in Nablus, and may be worse. The trouble is
that the Jews are pictured and picture themselves (and indeed were) a
"nation of victims". Therefore, the world is shocked that yesterday's
victims are today's victimizers. A higher moral standard is required
from us than from other peoples. And rightly so.
Has Europe become anti-Semitic again?
Not really. The number of anti-Semites in Europe has not grown,
perhaps it has even fallen. What has increased is the volume of
criticism of Israel's behavior towards the Palestinians, who appear as
"the victims of the victims".
The situation in some suburbs of Paris, which is often cited as an
example of the rise of anti-Semitism, is a quite different affair.
When North African Muslims clash with North African Jews, they are
transferring the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to European soil. It is
also a continuation of the feud between Arabs and Jews that started in
Algeria when the Jews supported the French regime and Muslims
considered them collaborators of the hated colonialists.
Then why did most Europeans state in a recent poll that Israel
endangers world peace more than any other country?
That has a simple explanation: Europeans see on television every day
what our soldiers are doing in the occupied Palestinian territories.
This confrontation is covered more than any other conflict on earth
(with the possible exception of Iraq, for the time being), because
Israel is more "interesting", considering the long history of the Jews
in Europe and because Israel is closer to the Western media than
Muslim or African countries. The Palestinian resistance, which
Israelis call "terrorism", seems to many Europeans very much like the
French resistance to the German occupation.
What about the anti-Semitic manifestations in the Arab world?
No doubt, typically anti-Semitic indications have crept lately into
Arab discourse. Suffice it to mention that the infamous "Protocols of
the Elders of Zion" have been published in Arabic. That is a typically
European import. The Protocols were invented by the secret police of
Czarist Russia.
Whatever inanities may be voiced by certain "experts", there never was
any widespread Muslim anti-Semitism, such as existed in Christian
Europe. In the course of his fight for power, the prophet Muhammad
fought against neighboring Jewish tribes, and therefore there are some
negative passages about the Jews in the Kor'an. But they cannot be
compared to the anti-Jewish passages in the New Testament story about
the crucifixion of Christ that have poisoned the Christian world and
caused endless suffering. Muslim Spain was a paradise for the Jews,
and there has never been a Jewish Holocaust in the Muslim world. Even
pogroms were extremely rare.
Muhammad decreed that the "Peoples of the Book" (Jews and Christians)
be treated tolerantly, subject to conditions that were incomparably
more liberal than those in contemporary Europe. The Muslims never
imposed their religion by force on Jews and Christians, as shown by
the fact that almost all the Jews expelled from Catholic Spain settled
in the Muslim countries and flourished there. After centuries of
Muslim rule, Greeks and Serbs remained thoroughly Christian.
When peace is established between Israel and the Arab world, the
poisonous fruits of anti-Semitism will most probably disappear from
the Arab world (as will the poisonous fruits of Arab-hating in our
society.)
Aren't the utterances of the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Mahathir bin
Muhammad, about the Jews controlling the world, anti-Semitic?
Yes and no. They certainly illustrate the difficulty of pinning anti-
Semitism down. From a factual point of view, the man was right when he
asserted that the Jews have a far bigger influence than their
percentage of the world's population alone would warrant. It is true
that the Jews have a large influence on the policy of the United
States, the only super-power, as well as on the American and
international media. One does not need the phony "Protocols" in order
to face this fact and analyse its causes. But the sounds make the
music, and Mahathir's music does indeed sound anti-Semitic.
So should we ignore anti-Semitism?
Definitely not. Racism is a kind of virus that exists in every nation
and in every human being. Jean-Paul Sartre said that we are all
racists, the difference being that some of us realize this and fight
against it, while others succumb to the evil. In ordinary times, there
is a small minority of blatant racists in every country, but in times
of crisis their number can multiply rapidly. This is a perpetual
danger, and every people must fight against the racists in their
midst.
We Israelis are like all other peoples. Each of us can find a small
racist within himself, if he searches hard enough. We have in our
country fanatical Arab-haters, and the historic confrontation that
dominates our lives increases their power and influence. It is our
duty to fight them, and leave it to the Europeans and Arabs to deal
with their own racists.
- - -
Uri Avnery is an Israeli writer and peace activist with Gush Shalom.
He is one of the writers featured in The Other Israel: Voices of
Dissent and Refusal. He is also a contributor to CounterPunch's hot
new book The Politics of Anti-Semitism. He can be reached at:
(snip email adress)
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Alors à ton avis, je critique les juifs parce qu'ils sont juifs, et
pas à cause de ce qu'ils font ou de ce qu'on dit sur eux? Est ce que
je critique seulement les juifs d'ailleurs? Non. Ce n'est même pas le
cas. Je rapporte des paroles et informations à leur propos afin
d'informer. JUSTEMENT parce que la propagande dont tu te fais l'agent
m'a empêché d'entendre parler de ce point de vue pendant longtemps,
sur ce sujet important vu qu'il déchaine les passions de par le monde
depuis belle lurette. Pas étonnant que tu réagisses au quart de tour,
propagandiste calomniateur acharné (pour rester sobre... tu sais bien
que je pourrais aller bien plus loin pour caractériser ton attitude
dans ce débat. Ce serait mérité, mais je ne suis pas ton psy...)
Il ya "des juifs" que je critique, quoique ce ne soit pas que des
juifs qui font cela, parce que justement ils essaient de diriger la
pensée des autres de façon injuste et malhonnète. Par les méthodes que
tu exposes si benoitement.
Oui c'est important de lire ce qu'ont à dire ceux qui contredisent
l'histoire ou la théorie officielle. Non, tout contradicteur n'est pas
antisémite voire nazi, comme tu aimerais le faire croire. C'est du
fascisme intellectuel que tu pratiques mon pauvre agneau.
Quintal
>Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:g57ic19u3rickgl7f...@4ax.com:
>
>> désolé, mais non, critiquer le sionisme n'est pas etre anti sémite
>
>Tu ne t'es pas contenté de critiquer le sionisme Xavier, relis tes
>insanités, les messages dans lesquels tu compares les Juifs à des parasites
>par exemple.
tu devrais citer, enfin tu le ferais si tu étais autre chose qu'un
calomniateur.
>Et ceux dans lesquels tu laisses entendre que les "protocoles de sages de
>Sion" n'étaient pas sans fondement.
je dis ce que toute personne, y compris juive, voit si elle n'est pas
obnubilée par la malhonnèteté, à savoir que les protocoles se sont en
effet réalisés, je cite des juifs qui le disent et ajoutent que tous
leurs amis juifs sont d'accord.... mais évidemment on ne peut pas se
défendre contre la calomnie car elle n'est basée que sur la suspicion
et l'hostilité, et ne se justifie jamais par des preuves.
>LOI du 29 juillet 1881
>Loi sur la liberté de la presse, article 24 :
>
> "Ceux qui, par l'un des moyens énoncés à l'article 23, auront
> provoqué à la discrimination, à la haine ou à la violence à l'égard
> d'une personne ou d'un groupe de personnes à raison de leur origine
> ou de leur appartenance ou de leur non-appartenance à une ethnie, une
> nation, une race ou une religion déterminée, seront punis d'un an
> d'emprisonnement et de 45000 euros d'amende ou de l'une de ces deux
> peines seulement."
ben lis donc cette loi
si je dis que les USA ont envahi l'iraq de façon impérialiste et
injuste, je ne fais pas plus que si je dis que les sionistes ont pris
le pouvoir d'abord sur les juifs, puis sur le monde, par telle et
telle méthode. Je fais une observation politique. Que les protocoles
puissent etre par ailleurs utilisés pour promouvoir la haine des juifs
en tant qu'ethnie, évidemment que c'est le cas, de même que parler des
actions de n 'importe quel gouvernement peut etre utilisé pour
promouvoir la haine du peuple qui est lié à ce gouvernement. Est ce
que pour autant la critique de l'action politique d'un gouvernement
doit etre interdite? Selon vous oui. Vous amalgamez anti-sionisme et
anti-sémitisme, afin d'interdire toute critique du sionisme. C'est une
méthode fasciste qui horripile de nombreux juifs anti-sionistes, et
j'en ai cité des tonnes, mais vous les traitez eux aussi d'antisémites
(vous ou un autre contributeur de la meme veine).
Dans votre monde il n'existe que votre point de vue, le reste c'est
hitler. Vous etes complètement fermé et hostile à tout ce qui ne vous
caresse pas dans le sens du poil, et prèt à exterminer tout
contradicteur par n'importe quelle méthode, je n'en doute pas.
Quintal
vous calomniez.
Citez une phrase raciste de ma part, ou continuez de vous enfoncer
dans votre calomnie.
Quintal
>Xavier Bergantz alias Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
>news:g57ic19u3rickgl7f...@4ax.com:
>
>> c'est du terrorisme intellectuel que vous pratiquez.
>
>Non, vous commettez un délit sciemment, en toute connaissance de cause.
hors-sujet
je vous accuse de terrorisme intellectuel parce que vous me calomniez
et me menacez. Dire que je commets un délit n'a rien à voir, c'est
quand vous dites que je passerai au tribunal pour cela que vous
énoncez une menace (crasse s'il en est vu que la loi anti liberté
d'expression est on ne peut plus fasciste.)
>> vous calomniez
>
>Ben non, puisque je dis ce qui est, à savoir que vous publiez de la
>propagande antisémite.
J'ai cité bien asez de textes de juifs et de non juifs aussi
d'ailleurs, piur montrer que mon but n'est pas de promouvori la haine
des juifs. Que vous vcous obstiniez à le croire ets votre problème,
qui mérite une consultation chez le psy comme vous le disiez à mon
égard, je n'en doute pas.
Vous ne vous contentez pas de dire, par ailleurs, qu ej epublie de la
propagande antisémite, vous vous croyez fondé à me traiter moi meme d
epropagandiste antisémiote, d'antisémite, de raciste, et j'en oublie.
Je vous prierai donc de prouver vos allégations PAR DES CITATIONS. Le
procès d'intention, basé sur vos fantasmes, ne tient pas la route,
sauf dans votre mental bien entendu où il semble règner, le
roi-préjugé-hostile.
>> et vous menacez jusqu'à ce qu'on se conforme à votre
>> propagande, n'est ce pas?
>
>Quelle menace ?
la menace de m'envoyer au tribunal.
JE CITE: (prenez en d ela graine, apprenez à citer)
Quintal:
>> Pour ce qui est de la légalité, je sais que c'est interdit, en effet.
Vous:
>Voilà qui éviteras que tu amuses le tribunal avec des fausses excuses...
la phrase ci dessus est une menace par sous-entendu.
Pourquoi passerais-je au tribunal, sinon parce que vous allez m'y
dénoncer? Si ce n'est pas une menace ça y ressemble fort, et il
suffirait que vous niiez que ça en constitue une, et que vous ajoutiez
que vous ne souhaitez pas que j'y passe non plus (car sinon vous
pourriez y participer), pour que ça n'en contitue plus une. Mais ça
fait quelques échanges que je vous en parle, et vous vous contentez de
nier avoir dit queoique ce soit qui s'y apparente, ce qui est un
mensonge ou une omission.
Je réitère donc mon affirmation, vous pratiquez le terorisme
intellectuel en menaçant et en calomniant. Vous pourriez employer
votre énergie à répondre aux textes que je poste par des arguments
rationnels, afin de donner de contradictions intelligentes et
circonstanciées aux arguments qu'ils contiennent. Mais non, vous
préférez essayer de me décrédibiliser en employant des moyens
injustes. Seulement voilà, JE ne suis pas le sujet de cette enfilade,
quoique vous puissiez en rêver. Le sujet c'est le sionisme et ce qu'en
disent des juifs et des non-juifs. A CA je ne vous ai pas vu répondre,
pas un mot, sauf en me traitant d'antisémite et en traitant les
auteurs de ces textes d'antisémites. C'est débile, obsessionnel et
complètement borné de votre part, mais c'est malheureusement la norme,
et cette norme est précisément la raison pour laquelle je poste tout
cela, parce que moi aussi pendajt très longtemps je me suis soumis à
cette voix totalitaire : "tu ne toucheras pas à ces questions
autrement qu'en te soumettant à la peur d'être traité d'antisémite si
tu ne dis pas ce qu'on te dit de dire et ne penses pas ce qu'on te dit
d epenser". Merci donc, un grand merci, de faire parler la voix de ce
maitre autocratique, afin d'exemplifier, dans ce débat, ce contre quoi
je me bats. Et pour ce qui est de vos menaces et calomnies, vu que je
sais m'en défendre haut la main, elles n'ont pas d'effet négatif.
Votre contribution est donc tout à fait positive dans l'exposé de mon
point de vue, malgré vous.
>Assumez vous propos antisémites monsieur Bergantz.
Citez donc ce que j'ai dit qui pourrait selon vous constituer des
propos antisémites, ou assumez que vous n'etes qu'un piètre
calomniateur.
Je vous rappelle, si vous ne comprenez pas ce que vous dites, que "VOS
PROPOS ANTISEMITES" se réfère à des phrases DONT JE SUIS L'AUTEUR, et
pas à des citations que j'aurais faites. Merci. Mais même dans ce que
j'ai cité, je vous attends.
Enfin je dis que je vous attends, mais je connais votre sorte, vous
restez dans la calomnie jusqu'à la mort mdr, incapable de mettre vos
préjugés haineux à l'épreuve de la raison.
Quintal
<xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> wrote:
>On 02 Jul 2005 21:01:38 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
>
>>Les délires de ton gourou cinglé
>
>??? de qui parle t il? mdr
il a répondu, mais en fu2 caché...
voyez pluto...
>>>> Les délires de ton gourou cinglé
>>> ??? de qui parle t il? mdr
>> Pour écrire ce que tu as posté plus haut t'es obligé d'etre encarté au
>> FN..tu savais pas??
> Non Jean-Mimi, c'est de Jeff Rense que je parlais, le type que Xavier cite
> à tour de bras.
je ne cite pas jeff Rense, je n'ai pas cité un seul mot de Jeff Rense.
Et tu l'appeles "mon gourou". Tu es vraiment paumé mon pauvre, paumé
dans ton besoin obsessionnel d'attaquer ma personne parce que ce que
je publie te dérange. Au lieu de contredire ce que je dis. Pauvre
imbécile.
Quintal
<xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> wrote:
>moi aussi pendajt très longtemps je me suis soumis à
>cette voix totalitaire : "tu ne toucheras pas à ces questions
>autrement qu'en te soumettant à la peur d'être traité d'antisémite si
>tu ne dis pas ce qu'on te dit de dire et ne penses pas ce qu'on te dit
>d epenser".
C'était vite dit, car cette domination de la pensée est bien plus
profonde que ça. La peur d'etre taxé d'antisémite ne vient que bien
plus tard, quand on a déjà osé penser indépendamment de cette
propagande crasse et brutale. Quand on est sous le dogme, il ne s'agit
pas de peur mais d'amour et d'aveuglement. J'aime la propagande qui
m'a été servie, je la trouve raisonnable et belle. Oui, je le crois,
je l'aime, "les races n'existent pas", "ceux qui croient à l'existence
de races sont des nazis", etc...
je peux vous dire comment ça fonctionne car j'y suis passé, je suis
d'éducation socialiste antiraciste.
Quintal
>Ben tu recopies de la propagande antisémite Xavier.
à propos vous êtes qui pour m'appeler xavier? vous qui vous cachez
sous un pseudo?
la malhonnèteté ne vous étouffe pas...
et non, quintal n'est pas un pseudo, entre autres parce que j'ai
longtemps donné mon prénom et même mon nom complet, ce qui vous permet
de m'interpeler par mon prénom d'état civil, dans le but peut etre de
chercher à m'impressionner ou à me ridiculiser... allez y donnez nous
votre joli prénom qu'on se marre.
sts99
"® ¥" <x²@y.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns9689DA21F...@193.252.117.183...
> Xavier Bergantz alias Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a
ecrit :
> news:g57ic19u3rickgl7f...@4ax.com:
>
> > c'est du terrorisme intellectuel que vous pratiquez.
>
> Non, vous commettez un délit sciemment, en toute connaissance de
cause.
C 'est interdit de parler des protocoles de sion ou de bagatelles pour
un massacre?
Salut.
sts99
Et parler des protocoles de sion ou de bagatelles pour un massacre, c'
est provoquer la haine?
Salut.
® ¥
newsreader-07.noos.net:
> Et parler des protocoles de sion ou de bagatelles pour un massacre, c'
> est provoquer la haine?
Oui.
® ¥
newsreader-06.noos.net:
> C 'est interdit de parler des protocoles de sion ou de bagatelles pour
> un massacre?
Non, si tu expliques qu'il s'agit de propagande antisémite, et que tu emets
les reserves nécessaires. Tout ce que tu es incapable de faire puisque tu
es un néo-nazi.
Quintal
Je ne répondrai plus à ce calomniateur paranoiaque.
La Guępe
news:mot1d11j9ftifftpg...@4ax.com:
Faites une recherche Google-groups sur sts99, qui se présente comme nazi
deouis belle lurette sur fsp. Son ideologie a lui c'est l'eugenisme, les
lebebsborn, la race superieure et le negationnisme, tout le monde sait cela
ici. traiter sts99 de neo nazi n'a rien d'une calomnie paranoiaque.
Quintal
bien sur, par contre traiter quelqu'un de nazi, antisémite etc, c'est
pas provoquer la haine mdr
>Salut.
jmh
> Faites une recherche Google-groups sur sts99, qui se présente comme nazi
> deouis belle lurette sur fsp. Son ideologie a lui c'est l'eugenisme, les
> lebebsborn, la race superieure et le negationnisme, tout le monde sait cela
> ici. traiter sts99 de neo nazi n'a rien d'une calomnie paranoiaque.
C'est pour cela que vous ne vous genez pas...il est a votre niveau,
enfin un peu au dessus de la fange ou vous trainez
Car chacun peut constater que c'est vous qui lui répondez toujours , et
par conséquent vous l'entretenez
Votre médiocrité trouve la a s'exprimer
jmh
--
***
Le grand parti des travailleurs
La terre n'appartient qu'aux hommes
L'oisif ira loger ailleurs
jmh
Non, puisque c'est un devoir de le dénoncer...le paponisme est une
religion très pratiquée..
jmh
--
***
It had been a wonderful evening and what I needed now, to give it the
perfect ending, was a little of the Ludwig Von.
® ¥
news:du02d1p64ti2ja3vc...@4ax.com:
>>Et parler des protocoles de sion ou de bagatelles pour un massacre, c'
>>est provoquer la haine?
>
> bien sur, par contre traiter quelqu'un de nazi, antisémite etc, c'est
> pas provoquer la haine mdr
Et il se trouve que vous avez opté pour la propagande antisémite monsieur
Bergantz.
Quintal
wrote:
c'est parfait. Mais je ne me présente pas comme un antisémite, je ne
me considère pas être antisémite, et je ne regarde pas les juifs comme
étant fondamentalement différents des autres peuples et cultures : ni
inférieurs ni supérieurs à mes yeux. Je n'apprécie pas de me faire
calomnier.
Mon idéal de civilisation n'est pas la civilisation occidentale bien
que j'en sois issu. Tout au contraire, c'est la culture chamanique
traditionnelle, et celle ci n'est pas particulièrement issue d'un
peuple (race ou culture) plus qu'un autre. Elle se trouve sur tous les
continents, et dans tous les bassins génétiques.
Si je trouve un texte critique vis à vis des juifs qui m'intéresse, je
le poste. Si des trublions jugent bon de me traiter d'antisémite pour
cela, ils ne font que démontrer leur fascisme à mon avis.
Quintal
si c'est factuel !!!
mais dénoncer, ce n'est pas calomnier. Dénoncer, ça se fait en
prouvant ses accusations. Calomnier, c'est seulement balancer
l'accusation sans jamais la fonder par de spreuves. C'est bien ce que
fait ce type, ainsi que beaucoup d'autres.
>le paponisme est une
>religion très pratiquée..
bof, il y a des tas de religions très pratiquées, celle ci est surtout
très décriée, à tel point que la dénoncer ressemble bien plus à un
bèlement de mouton conformiste qu'à autre chose.
>jmh
sts99
"Quintal" <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de
news: n3f8d116lcacqvtu8...@4ax.com...
> On 10 Jul 2005 10:21:15 GMT, "La Guêpe" <hymenopt...@yahoo.fr>
> wrote:
>
> >Quintal <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a ecrit :
> >news:mot1d11j9ftifftpg...@4ax.com:
> >
> >> On 06 Jul 2005 19:54:05 GMT, "® ¥" <x²@y.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>"sts99" <st...@bigfoot.com> a ecrit :
> >>>news:42cc26e7$0$1949$79c14f64@nan- newsreader-06.noos.net:
> >>>
> >>>> C 'est interdit de parler des protocoles de sion ou de bagatelles
> >>>> pour un massacre?
> >>>
> >>>Non, si tu expliques qu'il s'agit de propagande antisémite, et que
tu
> >>>emets les reserves nécessaires. Tout ce que tu es incapable de
faire
> >>>puisque tu es un néo-nazi.
> >>
> >> Je ne répondrai plus à ce calomniateur paranoiaque.
> >
> >
> >Faites une recherche Google-groups sur sts99, qui se présente comme
nazi
> >deouis belle lurette sur fsp.
Mon idéologie c' est la stabilité démograpghioque et la science avant
tout.
Son ideologie a lui c'est l'eugenisme,
Vaut mieux faire de la qualité que de la quantité, si on veut laisser
une chance à la vie, je ne suis pas iun immigrationiste obscurantiste.
les
> >lebebsborn,
Où ça, j' ai proné le lebensborn?
la race superieure
Idem, où ça, j' ai parlé de race supérieure?
et le negationnisme,
Révisioniste, comme tout historien.
tout le monde sait cela
> >ici. traiter sts99 de neo nazi n'a rien d'une calomnie paranoiaque.
Les nazis n' ont pas que dit des conneries, reconnaitre cela, c' est
ètre un nazi?
>
> c'est parfait. Mais je ne me présente pas comme un antisémite, je ne
> me considère pas être antisémite, et je ne regarde pas les juifs comme
> étant fondamentalement différents des autres peuples et cultures : ni
> inférieurs ni supérieurs à mes yeux. Je n'apprécie pas de me faire
> calomnier.
> Mon idéal de civilisation n'est pas la civilisation occidentale bien
> que j'en sois issu. Tout au contraire, c'est la culture chamanique
> traditionnelle, et celle ci n'est pas particulièrement issue d'un
> peuple (race ou culture) plus qu'un autre. Elle se trouve sur tous les
> continents, et dans tous les bassins génétiques.
> Si je trouve un texte critique vis à vis des juifs qui m'intéresse, je
> le poste. Si des trublions jugent bon de me traiter d'antisémite pour
> cela, ils ne font que démontrer leur fascisme à mon avis.
On voudrait nous enlever le droit de débattre, la peur des faits et des
mots.
Salut.
sts99
"Quintal" <xavi...@ZEGJEROGclub-internet.fr> a écrit dans le message de
news: sef8d1trqcpd4e0mt...@4ax.com...
Il y a comme ça quelques livres interdits et maudits.
par contre traiter quelqu'un de nazi, antisémite etc, c'est
> >> pas provoquer la haine mdr
C 'est ètre un juste parmi les justes.
> >
> >Non, puisque c'est un devoir de le dénoncer...
De dénoncer quoi, qu' on parle de livres interdits et tabous?
Faut pas avoir peur comme ça des mots, si ce ne sont que des mensonges.
Salut.
Quintal
sale nazi va !! ;-))
® ¥
news:1p7jd1l83e9i0ee23...@4ax.com:
>>On voudrait nous enlever le droit de débattre, la peur des faits et des
>>mots.
>>
>>Salut.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> sale nazi va !! ;-))
Ah, je vois que vous connaissez sts99 monsieur Bergantz