Re: Pingers/Remops: Lunatic Eelbash at it again
Borked Pseudo Mailed
THIS UNWANTED GARBAGE ORIGINATED FROM AND BROUGHT TO YOU COURTESY OF:
PATRICK PARIS -- CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER
PATRICK PARIS -- THE FEMALE EUNUCH
PATRICK PARIS -- SHITBAG FLOODER
PATRICK PARIS -- STINKING PIECE OF FRENCH PIG SHIT
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:57:13 +0000, Howard wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005, Eelbash Admin <ad...@eelbash.yi.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW, twisty was concerned with altering the content of mail, not the
>>> issue of permitting floods.
>>
>>No kidding? I could have sworn he blocked me because I announced I had
>>put in filters to block floods - nothing about altering the content of
>>mail
>>
>>Maybe twisty misunderstood what he read. Or did I phrase it confusingly?
>>
>>Well, here it is again:
>>
>>Agressive flood filters are in place. If you send too many messages in
>>too rapid succession to the same email address or newsgroup, some of
>>them may not make it. Sorry about that, but, the psychos have been busy
>>and I am sure you will understand the need to keep them from disrupting
>>newsgroups or preying on individuals
>>
>>
>>I don't see anything there that talks about altering the content of
>>email, but that's the notice that twisty reacted to.
>>
>>
> I happen to be a close friend of twisty. You can tell by my other posts
> today.
Which ones were they? I don't recall seeing any.
> Here is what my friend wrote:
>
> "The twisty re-mailer operates as a common carrier. It is a fully legal
> service operating under a business class static IP. The ToS for the ISP
> permit business class clients to operate their own mail systems as well
> as domain hosting.
>
> By operating a re-mailer, I am legally bound to operate as a common
> carrier. To maintain my status as a common carrier and avoid potential
> legal problems, under the direct advice of my corporate legal counsel, I
> cannot nor will not tamper with any messages sent through this
> re-mailer.
>
> However, I am permitted to block incoming or outgoing IPs or addresses
> to prevent abuse or flooding, or other re-mailers that may be complicit
> in violating the common carrier laws.
>
> Since this re-mailer operates within the USA, it is subject to the
> applicable laws for a common carrier.
>
> To avoid potential conflict with these laws, I have no choice but to
> source and destination block the Eelbash re-mailer as it may at any time
> decide to be in violation of the common carrier laws.
>
> I apologize for the inconvenience, but avoiding a possible legal
> violation takes precedence."
>
> As you can plainly see, it was not a concern about flooding or flood
> filters. He was concerned about altering of message content.
I don't see that, plainly or murkily. Hiis blocking of my remailer was a
direct result of my announcement that I was putting in flood filters.
Not that I care what his reason was. He can block for any reason.
But my announcement a day or two later that I was removing the flood
filters resulted in him unblocking me.
What else can anybody, even a lawyer, conclude but that the block was put
in as a result of the flood filters?
And why the need to keep announcing this legal gobbledygook?
> For example
> when you started the "civil remailer", you violated your common carrier
> status under the US laws.
I've got to tell you, that I have never seen such an irruption of legalese
as I have since Twisty arrived on the scene, and now you.
I have always thought of the remailer system as an informal group of
individuals, who, with little more than a list of the other remailers,
could independently work to provide an effective encrypted comm system for
anybody who needed to post anonymously.
Having a lawyer, or whoever you are, come in here to tell us what may
and may not be done is a bit chilling.
I doubt that any of the operators, certainly not me, have the financial
wherewithal to withstand some legal challenge thrown at them.
If the advent of the Twisty Admin and his friend Howard are harbingers of
what is in store for remops, it will mean the end of the remailer system,
at least in the US.
> By adding disclaimers to messages sent to some, but not all newsgroups,
> you may find yourself in a position that conflicts with the US laws. In
> effect, you are changing the message content by acting as a censor to
> some groups but not applying it equally to all. That is his dilemma. As
> I mentioned before, he is a close friend. We talked about this last
> night. On the advice of others and his counsel, he will not write
> anything more about it.
Amazing. A remop who will not even talk about his hobby.
Twisty, old man, if you are reading this, let me say that you seem like a
nice fellow, and your apparently strong interest in preserving privacy is
very welcome in a society where it is daily being shredded.
You appear to be somebody who works a lot with lawyers, while most of us
avoid them like the plague, and simply run our remailers out of our homes,
using whatever common sense and decency we can bring to the job.
This group is supposed to be a forum for an informal peer-to-peer
discussion among remops, as well as a source of information for people
wanting to know about remailers.
If one of the remops refuses to come here because of the 'advice of others
and his counsel', and instead, sends a friend to act as his spokesman,
then there is something very very wrong.
I hope you can see how odd your action appears compared to the way other
remops express themselves here.
If people feel they are walking through a legal minefield whenever they
speak to you, and you are calling your legal counsel and chewing over
every syllable, how do you expect them to act toward you?
The only way I can think of to act, is, with regret, to have nothing to
say to you. In fact, it might be best if you put your block of my remailer
back in place; I am thinking of doing the same with your remailer.
> I am exempted. I do not operate a remailer and have no intention of
> doing so.
>
> My suggestions are simple, if you alter message content, you can be in
> trouble. If you add lines to some messages, but not all, you are acting
> as a censor
Well, I put disclaimers in messages going to certain newsgroups that are
being disrupted; the idea being to discourage the psychopaths from using
the remailer to torment that group. All messages going through the
remailer to such newsgroups have the disclaimer, so maybe that makes it
kosher in a lawyer's eyes, but who knows?
> and can be in violation of certain aspects of the law. if you add a
> universal disclaimer to the message body that is added to all messages,
> you are OK. Blocking floods is OK. Blocking harrassment mail is OK.
>
> The biggest problem is selectively adding additional comments. That in
> effect makes you a censor.
See my comment just above.
>Take that into consideration please for your
> own well being.
Thanks for the free advice.
> Howard M.
A copy of this message is at
http://eelbash.yi.org:81/miscx/post/20051108005
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Subject: Re: What Did He Do?
Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer wrote:
> I heard he did something pretty shabby and Frog caught him at it and let
everybody know, and SB slinked off in disgrace, and that was the reason he had it
in for Frog.
>
> What was the shabby thing he did?
Google is your friend:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/33ebe1800ff2ecc6?hl=nl&
Basically remops attacked Frog-Admin. I attacked Frog-Admin. Champerty
attacked Frog-Admin (don't know in which particular order). Result -> I
got flooded. Champerty got flooded and caved in to it.
got flooded and killfiled me because of it (which was later rectified).
People that talked to me were flooded (like Richard Heathfield from
sci.crypt and comp.lang.c who then stopped talking to me and removed his
posts to me from google).
This whole group got flooded much worse than now by Eelbash for many
years and even when I was in a mental institution for a couple of months
the flooding continued (and I was on dail up at the time to add to
that). Then Frog-Admin announces his remailer gone and so are the floods
all of the sudden.
Then Eelbash comes (worse in some ways to Frog-Admin but less damaging
in other ways because noone takes him seriously). And then the minor
floods come.
1. I think the floods are linked to remailer load.
2. I think someone who hates remailers is behind it.
3. I think think Eelbash Admin and Frog-Admin are two distinct persons
4. I think Eelbash *loves* Frog-Admin
5. I think Eelbash is Frog-Admin's 'love child' as he puts it himself
6. I think Scientology is twisted, secretive and hateful toward
remailers enough to experiment with disrupting the network
7. I think Eelbask and Frog-Admin got something in return for the
flooding
8. http://xenu.net/archive/ot/ can save you a lot of money
9. Remember who got pissed at penet.fi (it was CoS)
10. Love your fellow human beings and God our Lord above all :-)
hth,
Thomas
- --
Life is like a videogame with no chance to win - ATR
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Subject: Re: What Did He Do?
"Thomas J. Boschloo" <nos...@hccnet.nl> wrote:
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> Jeffrey F. Bloss wrote:
> > Thomas J. Boschloo wrote:
>
> >>1. I think the floods are linked to remailer load.
> >
> >
> > Lost me. ???
Dumb people. Scared people, I say. So, what I am, so don't bother to express your
opinions. I don't want to make it up to you by releasing a new domain name
themissingamendment.org. You need to Google bomb to get that listed, and there's
existing stuff for "missing amendment" has had a legitimate reason to close down
for a while there I noticed that if you used banana mail2news and panta mail2news,
you got going on with me kicking your ass off than it has to do when in "secret-
spy" mode.
>
> Frog had high load (very high) and Eelbash probably has nearly no load.
> If they take this Run Hubbard thing seriously, they probably think they
I am using to send this message has one of the more aggressive policies for
combating remailer abuse, and, if it works as advertised, this message should be
preceded by a vandal named David Moore who keeps joining my remailer under
different names. He has signed me up for hundreds fo porn lists.
The guy is nearing 40 and is still an adolescent punk which typefies the users
of most remops. I saw it a few months ago. I believe it is down for repairs.
It doesn't do much good because our buddy Moroe just alters the name are probably
going to be patient while whomever takes over figures things out. But I don't
care.
> are up against something really big (with lots of Thetans)
>
> I tried to Collect Thetans during my first major psychosis and see CoS
> everywhere when I don't 'drug' myself for a couple of months up till a year.
>
> And I found out I could handle them Thetans (aka 'evil spirits'). On
> balance they made me 'stronger'. It also scares the shit out of CoS
> Operatives IMHO (imagine where all those Thetans would go should they
> try to kill me <grin>)
>
> I hope Eelbash Admin reads this..
>
"There is no such thing as absolute privacy, when it comes to this note with your
1gig and 3gig cpus can mint a token have been increased to 29. This doesn't seem
to recall several people he calls his "MARKS!" He even uses the AOL IM ID
'MARKGETTER' and he even goes so far to STALK he puts up a website with photos HE
TOOK of his "MARK'S" house his photo etc on a Friday the 13th. I still love and
miss him.
> Sorry if I sound a bit psychotic. It is a thin line. I know.
> Thomas
The near 24-hour dropout had been up for a long time. I thought I could just
disappear and be done with it, but I didn't have any success. I tried various
remailer services, but they were always unavailable.
> - --
> Life is like a videogame with no chance to win - ATR
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