FACE info

[Cynthia Keeler]

All this talk about FACE in the UK is wonderful .HOWEVER  for those of you in the US, please think about joining the Face Painting and Body art Assoc. (www.fpbaa.com) Unless you plan on working in the UK, not sure what the point is in being tested by that group. (from what I understand, it's for insurance purposes in the UK, but I might be wrong) As a producer of the Face Painting International Convention (which many of you have taken advantage of attending in the past) I am requesting your support  for the FPBA Association. This is just another way that we are trying to elevate the Art of Painting in the US. Most of you know how much the FABAI Convention has done to increase awareness and elevate job skills. So much good has come out of the FABAIC. And I think, given a chance and your support, even more wonderful opportunities can come from the FPBA Association. I am still mulling over the testing and certif by the FPBAA as it seems to be a 50/50 split in response. The Regional Guilds could do the testing and also at the FABAIC. I am still not so sure testing serves that much of  a purpose. My opinion is,  if a painter is aware of a code of procedure, sanitation and safe products, I doubt that how well you paint should have anything to do with certif. This is just my humble opinion. I'd really like to hear more pros and cons on this. E-mail me privately if you prefer cynk...@earthlink.net

Sincerely,

Cynthia

 

Cynthia Keeler

Conus Keeler Productions, Inc.

Face Painting and Body Art Association and FABAI Convention

www.fpbaa.com or www.faceandbodyart.net

cynk...@earthlink.net

 

"Life is a great big canvas, and you should throw all the paint on it you can"

Danny Kaye

 

[laris...@att.net]

Speaking of guilds - are there any in Northern NJ?  I don't see any listed on the Snaz website, but I figure that doesn't mean there aren't any around.  It's so populated here; I figure there has to be something.

-------------- Original message from "Cynthia Keeler" <cynk...@earthlink.net>: --------------

All this talk about FACE in the UK is wonderful .HOWEVER  for those of you in the US, please think about joining the Face Painting and Body art Assoc. (www.fpbaa.com) Unless you plan on working in the UK, not sure what the point is in being tested by that group. (from what I understand, it's for insurance purposes in the UK, but I might be wrong) As a producer of the Face Painting International Convention (which many of you have taken advantage of attending in the past) I am requesting your support  for the FPBA Association. This is just another way that we are trying to elevate the Art of Painting in the US. Most of you know how much the FABAI Convention has done to increase awareness and elevate job skills. So much good has come out of the FABAIC. And I think, given a chance and your support, even more wonderful opportunities can come from the FPBA Asso ciation. I am still mulling over the testing and certif by the FPBAA as it seems to be a 50/50 split in response. The Regional Guilds could do the testing and also at the FABAIC. I am still not so sure testing serves that much of  a purpose. My opinion is,  if a painter is aware of a code of procedure, sanitation and safe products, I doubt that how well you paint should have anything to do with certif. This is just my humble opinion. I'd really like to hear more pros and cons on this. E-mail me privately if you prefer cynk...@earthlink.net

[Paula]

 >from what I understand, it's for insurance purposes in the UK, but I might be wrong 

 

Well not entirely Cyn, we do not accept a member here in the UK unless they are insured though us or through the company that insures us (we have also just accepted Equity insurance as well). We cannot demand that the internationals insure thorough a UK company but we are proud to say that ALL our UK members are insured to a minimum of £2million PL & we encourage our Internationals to be too.

 

Why we were formed in the first place is ..... 'so that like minded people could get together and share ideas and problems in order to improve standards and raise the profile of face painting' & we still hold to those thoughts, the standard that is accepted for basic certification has risen SO much in the last 5 yrs that it is important that we, as an association, ensure that everyone raises the bar too.....

 

But it is about choice, you choose to be a member & do the certification, but as Gary said it meets 2 needs, that I am good enough to join & it looks good on the advertising!

 

Paula

[Loretta @ ExtremeFaceArt]

I think as far as any kind of "testing" goes there will always be a
split in an industry. Most especially in an unregulated industry such
as Face Painting.
However since the topic has not been visited in a while it is
interesting to gauge the amount of emails fyling back and forth to
painters. As Gary Cole noted he's getting quite a bit. As am I. In
that, it seems there certainly is a fair amount of interest among a
great many painters to at least explore what benefits certification
would or would not have.

As I posted before, I think certifications are a self achievement tool
and a selling point to clients, providing affirmation that one knows
the XY&Zs of procedures, sanitation and safety, and the basics that
provide for one to be the best painter they can be. Let's face it we
are all different - past the XY&Z, the good products and tools - I may
have the perfect technique when holding my brush, yet still the perfect
brush stroke is my perfect brush stroke. I may never execute it as
nicely as (fill in your own favorite painter, master or face art rock
star here). So no testing will make me "better" - I do that. Through
netwroking, educational opportunities and what ever rocks my boat -
competitions, teaching, posting photos for feedback, working a huge
festival, endless hours of painting a practice head..... Perhaps for
some making oneself better is met with a certification.

I too want to hear the pros and cons from folks. I don't think there
is any right or wrong opinion. There are of course going to be some
areas on this topic which will never meet everyones wants or needs -
who tests, what's tested, cost .....
This aint' consensus - or even close - but resectful discussion which
enlightens us can only be of benefit.

Loretta
Extreme Face & Body Art

[PAM TRENT]

After all this mulling about testing - we are so fortunate to have so many avenues available to teach us what we should and should not do.  I think testing our ability is kind of crazy as all of us are so aware of what is safe and what is not - would we be testing for style????  We have plenty of competitions for that purpose.  I think it is the Associations responsibility to teach and bring those that are new to their highest potential.  The Face and Body Art International Convention does that, the US Body Painting Festival in NM does that, the many, many wonderful classes and jams do that.  Why test?  I think we just need to keep the teaching process going so that people will know what is right and what is wrong - style does not matter - we all have one.  Your style does not make you a good or a bad painter.  There are some great artists out there and there are some that are not so great, but I think it all boils down to that smile or that look in the mirror - whether it is a face or a body paint.  When you see the eyes (no matter your skill level or if you think you are good or not) that person you just painted is truly pleased.  We just need to keep sharing - these avenues have grown so much!  No testing is really needed. 

Pam

 

Pam Trent - Founder -Way Wicked Art and Founder - of the NM Body Painting Competition
www.waywickedart.com

Join us for the NMBPF Presents:
the U.S. Body Painting Competition
September  2007 Register at
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[Katie The Great]

wolfpac...@aol.com asked me:

 

 

Katie...what's all this testing about....I've taken a glimpse at a few emails...and it seems there are a lot of people talking about testing....  please fill me in on what's going on...

 

does this test have something to do with making more money??

will I make 3000 a day instead of 1000...cause I show where I passed test?

 

what's it all about?

**************************

 

I've had several similar emails so I've decided to post back on the forum to share my perspective on this:

 

 

 

 

In the greater history of face painting...the UK has been doing it longer and more widely than in North America. They've been doing full faces for years longer than over here. In fact...I don't think you'll see much if any cheek art on any artist website over there.

 

They established FACE about 10 years ago I think. And as Paula said in her email:

 

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Why we were formed in the first place is ..... 'so that like minded people could get together and share ideas and problems in order to improve standards and raise the profile of face painting' & we still hold to those thoughts, the standard that is accepted for basic certification has risen SO much in the last 5 yrs that it is important that we, as an association, ensure that everyone raises the bar too.....

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I chose to get certified for a number of reasons.

 

It was my goal to improve my painting enough so that I'd qualify and be accepted by what I consider to be the 'elite' painters of the world. I was tested by Val Lampkin whose work I much admire and who I love and respect as a person.

 

Listing memberships and achievements is a great "Smart Marketing" tool. It doesn't matter that the public doesn't know what the organization is all about. Of course it helps if they do. But, professional affiliations create an impression with the public that you take your work seriously. You are no 'fly by night' operation. You've been in business for a while and invest in it and yourself. I can't tell you how many times people have commented on seeing my FACE certificate on my design board saying things like "Oh, she really is a REAL artist." It's like a stamp of approval.

 

I also hear the same comments from seeing my Face Paint Body Art Association golf shirt that I wear to gigs.

 

Or when they hear that I'm an instructor at FABAIC.

 

It's also impressive to say that I'm one of only a handful of people in North America who are certified FACE members. Of course...that distinction might not last much longer if more and more people get certified.

 

The FACE magazine is a great resource and well worth investing in.

 

It's also my understanding that many educated consumers in the UK will hire only FACE certified members. Perhaps because they know FACE members maintain a level of standards and practices AND perhaps because they know they are insured. (Insurance is also a sign that one takes their business seriously).

 

Again as Paula and Gary have said: 

 

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But it is about choice, you choose to be a member & do the certification, but as Gary said it meets 2 needs, that I am good enough to join & it looks good on the advertising!

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I think anytime you choose to educate yourself, belong to a forum, a professional association, join a guild, subscribe to trade journals/magazines, attend workshops and conventions, you choose to improve yourself, gain self confidence, and gain new skills and knowledge. AND if you put all of this into action...YES you can charge more for your skills. YES you will be a more desirable person to hire. And YES you will be a better face painter and business person. So, YES, you should be able to feel confident in what you do and that should translate into transforming more faces and  making more money. (if that is your goal.)

 

Hope that helps,

 

Katie Hunt

FACE member #223 (since 2004)

Face Paint and Body Art Association (since 2006)

[Cynthia Keeler]

 

 

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But it is about choice, you choose to be a member & do the certification, but as Gary said it meets 2 needs, that I am good enough to join & it looks good on the advertising!

 

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I think the above philosophy has helped me to better form my own. I want the FPBAA to be an INCLUSIVE group. that encourages the beginner painter, the average painter, the "Master", the full-time painter, the part-time painter, the hobbiest, etc. I think judging people on CREATIVE talent is very tricky (that's why I personally don't like competition at the convention....hard to compare apples to oranges) I believe with the face painting communities support and enthusiasm, FPBA Association will, over time, create that "clout" and name recognition that is "good for advertising" (we were just given a mention in the Make- Up Artist Magazine under INDUSTRY BUZZ) and to help further promote the art of painting in the US and worldwide. I don't think a person has to be tested to "stand for something" necessarily, especially in an artistic, subjective field. I believe that being aware of a code of operation /products and adhering to that "standard" is more important. I am NOT saying don't attempt to join FACE through testing if you are so inclined. They have been around awhile and have much to offer. I am saying join BOTH if you can. Support the Arts wherever you can! And they will support YOU!

 

PS: Food for thought:

What would FP life be if the FABAIC only allowed pre- tested certified members to attend. How would everyone else grow?

 

My 2 cents worth AGAIN...I think I'm up to 4 cents now.....;o)

Cynthia Keeler

cynk...@earthlink.net

www.fpbaa.com

 

 

 

[Robbie Hay]

I guess I have a different opinion about testing our
facepainters. Who are we testing for? I'm assuming
that testing should be to ASSURE the client that he is
hiring a facepainter that is not only a good
facepainter with his/her own style, but is also safe
to have around his children. He should be comfortable
to know that the entertainer has insurance, and that
safe products are being used on his kid's faces.
I would also assume that testing is a way to enhance
our own egos to know that we are up to snuff against
other facepainters nationwide. It is a really good
feeling to pass a test that gives you credibility in
the eyes of your clients and for your own
self-satisfaction.
It is also a way to test what you know and what else
you should know. Testing should bring to the surface
the information that the facepainter is unaware of and
nudge her to fill in the blank spots.
That will elevate the standards for all facepainters
and isn't that what we are striving for?
Our Facepainters Guild of Central Ohio is in the
planning stages for testing in the State of Ohio. We
want all the above.
Robbie Hay

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> Subject: [fpba-assn] FACE info
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> All this talk about FACE in the UK is wonderful
> .HOWEVER for those of you in the US, please think
> about joining the Face Painting and Body art Assoc.

> (www.fpbaa.com<http://www.fpbaa.com/>) Unless you

> plan on working in the UK, not sure what the point
> is in being tested by that group. (from what I
> understand, it's for insurance purposes in the UK,
> but I might be wrong) As a producer of the Face
> Painting International Convention (which many of you
> have taken advantage of attending in the past) I am
> requesting your support for the FPBA Association.
> This is just another way that we are trying to
> elevate the Art of Painting in the US. Most of you
> know how much the FABAI Convention has done to
> increase awareness and elevate job skills. So much
> good has come out of the FABAIC. And I think, given
> a chance and your support, even more wonderful
> opportunities can come from the FPBA Association. I
> am still mulling over the testing and certif by the
> FPBAA as it seems to be a 50/50 split in response.
> The Regional Guilds could do the testing and also at
> the FABAIC. I am still not so sure testing serves
> that much of a purpose. My opinion is, if a
> painter is aware of a code of procedure, sanitation
> and safe products, I doubt that how well you paint
> should have anything to do with certif. This is just
> my humble opinion. I'd really like to hear more pros
> and cons on this. E-mail me privately if you prefer
>

cynk...@earthlink.net<mailto:cynk...@earthlink.net>

>
> Sincerely,
> Cynthia
>
> Cynthia Keeler
> Conus Keeler Productions, Inc.
> Face Painting and Body Art Association and FABAI
> Convention

> www.fpbaa.com<http://www.fpbaa.com/> or
>
www.faceandbodyart.net<http://www.faceandbodyart.net/>
>
>
cynk...@earthlink.net<mailto:cynk...@earthlink.net>

>
> "Life is a great big canvas, and you should throw
> all the paint on it you can"
> Danny Kaye
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Robbie Hay
Caricature Artist's Fun Factory
Park...@sbcglobal.net
614-539-5100

[PAM TRENT]

Do our client really care if we have credentials here in the US?  They do care if we are insured, but you can't test to ensure that someone has insurance.  You would provide the insurance if they passed the test.  The testing should be about hygene, safe practices, etc. not painting different styles.  If it were only the previous and not the actual painting styles, I would agree, but they test ability also.  That leaves many out - I would think. 

In todays market - you have to be good - but I have an example - we have a guy in NM that paints at the State Fair every year - you have to have proof of insurance to be able to have a booth there - the man paints with acrylics, uses metal glitter, but is insured.  I have told the people over and over at the Fair of his unsafe use of paint and glitter, but they keep selling him a booth.  How do you stop that?  Testing sure isn't. 

My 2 cents.

Pam Trent - Founder -Way Wicked Art and Founder - of the NM Body Painting Competition
www.waywickedart.com

Join us for the NMBPF Presents:
the U.S. Body Painting Competition
September  2007 Register at
www.newmexicobodypaintingfestival.com

505-292-1755 or 505 363-4866

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From: Robbie Hay <park...@sbcglobal.net>
To: waywic...@msn.com, cynk...@earthlink.net, "Gary Cole (sent from office)" <gary...@mindspring.com>, Rebecca Williams <shy...@hotmail.com>, facep...@googlegroups.com, face-and-body-painting/Cindy <face-and-bo...@googlegroups.com>, fpba-assn <fpba...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [fpba-assn] Re: FACE info
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:44:14 -0800 (PST)

[Robbie Hay]

I think testing should be in the realm of positive
thinking. It is useless to try to solve all the
problems of all the facepainters in the world.
Instead, we could view testing as starting with a
clean slate, test for information that the
facepainters need to know and for what they need to
do. The test trackers can ask for proof of insurance
from the members for potential clients who want that
information,but, not necessarily to sell it.
Facepainters need to find their own insurance. Test
trackers could have the info to give to facepainters
seeking insurance-links, websites, phone #'s, etc.
But, every artist needs to seek their own insurance.
What I think I hear on this list is a confusion of
what testing should be. It should be fair, meaningful,
and thorough. It has to have some meat to it to give
it credibility to the client seeking professional
entertainment, and not make it worthless to the artist
himself.
Robbie Hay

PAM TRENT <waywic...@msn.com> wrote:

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My 2 cents.

505-292-1755 or 505 363-4866

---------------------------------

Robbie Hay

[TigerLily]

Bravo Cynthia!

When I first attended the convention in Orlando, I was thrilled to find that everyone and I mean
EVERYONE was not only friendly, but more than willing to tell you anything about their skill. The
artists were amazing and so willing to help in a positive way. The clown convention I had
previously attended was exactly the opposite...very cut-throat and viciously competitive.

Why anyone would want to change an environment in which everyone is encouraged to be the best they
can be is beyond my comprehension! Yes, it's nice to have certifications and awards, but after
awhile they just collect dust too. Face & Body Painting to me is very similar to stage
acting...there is immediate gratification in the eyes of a child or the smile of an
adult...knowing in your heart that you are good at what you do is better than a piece of paper anytime.

ciao,

Frana

lil bit of art

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[Paula]

>What would FP life be if the FABAIC only allowed pre- tested certified members to attend. How would everyone else grow?

 

Hey let's not take things out of context..........FACE is actually VERY inclusive, our certs are about the ability to apply paint & the suitability of colours & linework... nothing else, can you apply paint to the face so that someone would like to employ you???? Can you paint a line that has a decent start & a decent finish??? Then you can probably meet the criteria for

joining FACE. If you can't we will point you in the right direction to help you get there, many members mentor newer painters.

 

FACE have held conventions for 11 yrs & have usually invited non members to attend, recently, since the intro of Telford we have thought to keep it in house, but we only lasted a yr!!! Generally ANYONE is welcome to our conventions where learning & challenging is part of the deal.

 

Paula

 

[Paula]

 > I think testing our ability is kind of crazy as all of us are so aware of what is safe and what is not - would we be testing for style????  We have plenty of competitions for that purpose.  I think it is the Associations responsibility to teach and bring those that are new to their highest potential.   

 

This depends on what you are testing & why... FACE 'tests' that you are of a standard to be employable......yes we judge what that standard is & that is our opinion, but we meet strict guidelines as to what we are testing. We are not asking you to paint like 'insert yr fav master' we are asking that you can paint a reasonable line, which is what any employer should be able to accept.

 

these are the guidelines that we give to the applicant....

 

Paula

 

White Based Face              Suggestions:              Vampire              Clown

Tiger (2/3 colour Blended Base)

Certificator’s Choice (3 colour Blended Base showing a variety of brushstrokes) Butterfly not accepted         Suggestions:       Tropical Sunset       Princess

 

The examiner will look for the following criteria: -

 

1. Sponge Work                   Application of a smooth white base.   Evenly applied, up to and over the eyes. Well-blended & appropriate base colours with neat edges. [like a mask]

 

2. Brush Work                      The positioning & variety of neat strokes, all well executed.

 

3. Colour Use                       Clear definition, & effective choice for the face design in question.

 

4. Timing                              Each face must be completed within 10 minutes.

 

5. Design                              A good overall appearance and Impact from each finished face, both live and photographic.

 

6. Professionalism               Your attitude and conduct towards models, plus the presentation and use of equipment will be noted. Models should be treated as the public even if they are your own.

 

7. Hygiene and Safety          Your written answers in the Application Form will be taken into consideration

 

[Katie The Great]

I think it just makes sense to have options and various groups available to you.

 

We only have to look at other (sort of) related fields to see that this happens and works and serves a purpose.

 

There exists The International Brotherhood of Magicians, The Society of American Magicians, The Canadian Association of Magicians, as well as individual clubs/rings, and probably many more organizations with similar interests.

 

Look at the number of Clown Assocations and Organizations as well.

 

NOT every group or organization will fulfill all the needs of each individual member. So, we have options. We pick and choose.

 

There is no right way to approach a thing but some things will suit individuals more than other things.

 

Face paint art (and body art) has come a long way in a relatively short time. It makes sense that the numbers are growing and needs will change. It only makes sense to me that North America, and particularily the US should have an organization to represent our interests. It would be great to have a comparable organization in Canada and as the number of face and body artists grows, I hope this will happen.

 

And it probably should be different than FACE which already exists. This will give people options, choices. They can belong to one or the other or both and whatever else comes along.

 

It depends on the goal of the organization. Clearly FACE and FPBAA have some different goals in mind but also share many of the same goals.

 

It's a very big world with lots of room for these two and many more organizations related to the fp/body art world.

 

If it's available and people know about it, they can choose what's the best fit for them. Variety, choices and options do well to support the artform and we all benefit from that.

 

I know no one said we had to make a choice......but it was starting to sound a little like a competition to me.

 

hope all accept this in the spirit it was offered.

 

Katie Hunt

[paulch...@adelphia.net]

Hellowdy all,
I`m all for more choices,more options,more chances to network and make friends and learn and laugh and maybe improve my business and art and help you do the same with yours.
Big groups like world clown association and International brotherhood of magicians and Jugglers association all formed/evolved out of a strong/large base of clown alleys and magicians rings and juggling clubs first.
It took years to bring the larger associations together.
We are just getting excited building the guilds and strengthening the conferences and workshops and jams these last few years.
Whenever you say and institute the word and concept "TEST" there will always be a form of contention and division and exclusion and fear and separation alongside of all the good and positive points no matter how you candycoat it.
Does the good outweigh the bad?is the need greater than the lack?
Is the effort worth the price?
For all the good FACE has there was and is a price to pay for it`s existance as i`ve heard a # of ugly tales alongside all the good from a fair # of the top people over the last 5 yrs in that organization as will be with any.
Words like "loose" and "slow"and "grow" don`t fit well in my opinion with the words "test" and "standards" and "judgement".
Hard work and study and caution and empathy and uniformity and sound infrastructure and solid planned long term leadership are needed for organizations to kick off and stay around and make a good difference worth the effort.
Anybody that wants to create something like this i love the vision and support the dream but unless you are 100% sold out with a DEFINITE goal and plan and long term no matter what commitment to working it out and getting through with grace and dignity the bumps with a very very thick skin i fear for your efforts.
People that give tests that matter have the respect of all in that field and are STRONG leaders who stand up in front with a voice that must be heard above the rest to keep everybody on the same page.
It`s a long term fight and struggle in this world filled with many bad apples amongst the good.
Do you know how hard it is folks to put on a good workshop and conference?
Cynthia and Marcela do a great job but it takes a full year of committment for a 1 weekend program.
To setup and run well without soooo many possible and unexpected adversities a continent spanning organization that claims to have standards of acceptance is a worthy undertaking but a Pandora`s box as well.
It`s easy to say "i`d love it' without thinking about the hundreds of hours involved and all the baggage that goes with it.
Will YOU devote hundreds of unpaid gruntwork hours a year to it so easily at the drop of a hat???
Closing: I`m all for the race to a wonderful end but the turtle beats the hare.
i will not and do not forgive leaders,instructors and groups that thru haste and excitement and fun thoughts run to a spot without taking into account the possibilities and ramifications of their actions in their efforts for the prize.
Good groups and goals and alleys and rings are destroyed all the time by quick short term decisions.
Not saying any 1 person or idea is good or bad but build this slow and solid and i am all for it.
Research and test and plan and baby steps before you plan a grand opening.
Don`t ruin your very good idea with a poor quick setup.
Paul"Chuckles"Chudy

[Katie The Great]

Paul said, in part:

Closing: I`m all for the race to a wonderful end but the turtle beats the hare.
i will not and do not forgive leaders,instructors and groups that thru haste and excitement and fun
thoughts run to a spot without taking into account the possibilities and ramifications of their
actions in their efforts for the prize.
Good groups and goals and alleys and rings are destroyed all the time by quick short term decisions.
Not saying any 1 person or idea is good or bad but build this slow and solid and i am all for it.
Research and test and plan and baby steps before you plan a grand opening.
Don`t ruin your very good idea with a poor quick setup.
Paul"Chuckles"Chudy

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Hi Paul...

Good thoughts here....I don't think anyone would or could disagree with you.

I think all this discussion is good and the FPBAA is still in its infancy and generating discussion
on how to proceed and what we wish to see in this organization.

But the FPBAA is already in existance....since the spring of this year......take a look at the
website http://www.fpbaa.com/ and the membership list as well. There are currently 78 members.

So we are exploring and growing slowly and, with Cynthia's leadership, is gradually determining
which directions to take. Cynthia has a vison for the organization, but is open to hearing what the
membership thinks and what they would find valuable in an organization.

I think FPBAA is already following your concept of taking baby steps and getting started small and
hopefully growing and encompassing more elements to support our art.

So, I guess I agree with everything you are saying. Just wanted you to know that we've already had
our 'grand opening'

Katie Hunt

[Cynthia Keeler]

Thanks Paula for sharing the requirements for testing. It has been an interesting discussion ;o)

Sincerely,

 

Cynthia Keeler

Conus Keeler Productions, Inc.

Face Painting and Body Art Association and FABAI Convention

www.fpbaa.com or www.faceandbodyart.net

[Cynthia Keeler]

>What would FP life be if the FABAIC only allowed pre- tested certified members to attend. How would everyone else grow?

 

The limitations of  E-mail ;o( .............

What i meant by this statement was NOT to compare to any other group or organization,just in principal, IF the convention was only opened to CERTIFIED painters where would we all be.  (I have no clue about the England convention because unfortunately, I have never attended) It was NOT a personal jab to the FACE convention. Some people want training to stop after THEY are trained and then keep competition to a minimum after that.

Sincerely,

Cynthia

www.fpbaa.com

cynk...@earthlink.net

 

[den...@angelfaces.fsnet.co.uk]

paulch...@adelphia.net wrote:

For all the good FACE has there was and is a price to pay for it`s
existance as i`ve heard a # of ugly tales alongside all the good from a
fair # of the top people over the last 5 yrs in that organization as
will be with any.

Don't believe everything you hear Paul. The majority are prone to
gross exaggeration, even "top" people, whatever that means.

Denise [sure someone thinks I am a "top" person]
xxxxx

[paulch...@adelphia.net]

Hi Denise,
Thanks for posting your thoughts to me.
As you posted a true good point on this small topic i tossed my 2 cents in on public i will happily do the same in reply.
FACE is an organization i do not belong to only because i have never taken the time to take the test.
I respect it greatly and have seen and heard lots of wonderful things from many folks who are members over the last 6 yrs.
As with any organization that has a few hundred members or more scattered now all over the world but mainly in still a large area of the UK you will have the normal adversities any group does that tries to grow and evolve and improve instead of just standing still by the water cooler.;0)
No organization is perfect and if there was one as soon as "I" would join it there would go the neighborhood.;0)
There are normal miscommunications/personality clashes/unavoidable "oops"scenarios you couldn`t plan on that just as Murphy`s law exists just "Happen"/petty squabbles/people that bring their outside experiences with individuals into a group they both belong to........!
The further the distance between people the greater the chance to "see"things alittle different as you only have phone and email to tie things together with and you can`t say everything right you want and mean to this way on many issues even though god knows i try to most of the time with my horribly long posts many really are irked by.;0)
My point was especially when an issue i now understand is really back burner on in "testing" with this new association Cynthia Keeler started i was very poorly updated on because of my absence and personal computer problems all my fault i felt some of the above things i mentioned and heard with wonderful FACE members might be amplified more due to the even greater distance between folks here i thought was worth posting.
I wanted to because of my ignorance try to convey to all to look real close and talk with more folks who have and are in this with FACE before this new group goes forward just to hopefully learn more from the good and maybe better sidestep any pitfalls that were already very well navigated by FACE in the past.
No disrespect intended and i apologise if i conveyed this poorly in my original post.
I am happy for Cynthia Keelers efforts with this new venture, just cetching up to speed with it and posting my concerns as i did so.
thanks for listening,
Bob Tuna,.........man who hates seafood