FW: REVISED - Super Bowl Cruise !
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----- Original Message -----From: Sixth Star Inc.Sent: 1/21/2014 2:14:19 PMSubject: REVISED - Super Bowl Cruise !
Sixth Star Inc.
January 21, 2014
Dear Face Painters:
Royal Caribbean would like us to book two excellent Face Painters for the Liberty of the Seas Super Bowl Cruise (5 Night Western Caribbean) for the Feb 1-6, 2014 sailing roundtrip from Fort Lauderdale. They would like the Face Painters to do Seattle Seahawks and Denver Bronco themed face paintings that would include the teams logos and or colors. They would like face painters who are very fast and can do the paintings in two minutes or less and would like each Face Painter to provide samples. Send them to Carol Sussman at ca...@sixthstar.com.
If you fit the bill and would like this cruise, please email Carol Sussman at ca...@sixthstar.com right away. Of course, please check on what your flight costs might be before committing to this cruise.
Here is the itinerary:
01-Feb Fort Lauderdale, Florida 4:30 PM
02-Feb Cruising
03-Feb Belize City, Belize 9:00 AM 6:00 PM Tendered
04-Feb Cozumel, Mexico 8:00 AM 6:30 PM Docked
05-Feb Cruising
06-Feb Fort Lauderdale, Florida 7:00 AM
Sixth Star Inc. | 21 Northwest 5th Street | Fort Lauderdale | FL | 33301
Arla Albers
Everyone should be aware, however, that doing logos of teams, is violating copyright. You have to have special permission from the team to do that and they won’t give it. You can paint a half and half face, but no logos.
Arla Albers
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Gary Cole @ the office
Not true, read http://www.snazaroo.us/faqcopyright.htm
Particularly watch the Disney video that was done by the Stanford law department.
It is perfectly legal to paint a team logo. We sell hundreds of thousands of face paint kits each year directly to the professional and college sports markets and it comes with a stencil to specifically paint sports logos. The kits themselves are licensed and contain the appropriate hologram but the person using them over and over is doing exactly what Sixth Star is asking the painter to do.
Gary
Arla Albers
Well, that’s very interesting, because I actually, personally, wrote a sports company to see if I could face paint their logo. I specifically told them I’d use a stencil, so the designs would be exact and all look alike, and they declined my request to use their logo for face painting. They told me that sports teams don’t give permission to use their logos as they are copyrighted. And the reply came from their legal department, as I remember. It was very convincing that I didn’t want to pursue it…..it wasn’t just an off the cuff auto-reply.
Gary, are your licensed stencils for strictly personal use or can they be used to make money with? Kind of like…..you can buy licensed cake pans, but you can ONLY use them for personal use. You may not buy a pan like that and make copyrighted characters, etc. and sell the cakes. That’s a violation of copyright because you are now making money with their copyrighted figure.
Arla
From: Gary Cole @ the office [mailto:gary...@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:01 AM
To: gogo...@cox.net; cynk...@earthlink.net; 'fpba-assn'
Subject: RE: [fpba-assn] FW: REVISED - Super Bowl Cruise !
Not true, read http://www.snazaroo.us/faqcopyright.htm
Particularly watch the Disney video that was done by the Stanford law department.
It is perfectly legal to paint a team logo. We sell hundreds of thousands of face paint kits each year directly to the professional and college sports markets and it comes with a stencil to specifically paint sports logos. The kits themselves are licensed and contain the appropriate hologram but the person using them over and over is doing exactly what Sixth Star is asking the painter to do.
Gary
From: fpba...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fpba...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arla Albers
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:55 PM
To: cynk...@earthlink.net; 'fpba-assn'
Gary Cole @ the office
one example of the kit
My customer has license agreements with NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB and NCAA. My name is not on the package anywhere except for a safety link. Each kit has the hologram. The stencils are not sold separately and if someone called me up to order one I could not sell it to them. They must buy through the licensee. These are sold by them direct, and through resellers from college book stores to WalMart. Once sold to the consumer they can do anything they want with them (the kit, paint or stencil). They basically bought the right to use that stencil anyway they want. We literally sell hundreds of thousands of these each year. That makes for a lot of stencils floating around. We pantone color match for the team color.
Gary
Arla Albers
Interesting. I wonder why they won’t let you sell the stencils by themselves. Good to know otherwise. Thanks, Gary.
Arla
From: fpba...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fpba...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Cole @ the office
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:23 AM
To: 'Arla Albers'; cynk...@earthlink.net; 'fpba-assn'
Subject: RE: [fpba-assn] FW: REVISED - Super Bowl Cruise !
one example of the kit
My customer has license agreements with NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB and NCAA. My name is not on the package anywhere except for a safety link. Each kit has the hologram. The stencils are not sold separately and if someone called me up to order one I could not sell it to them. They must buy through the licensee. These are sold by them direct, and through resellers from college book stores to WalMart. Once sold to the consumer they can do anything they want with them (the kit, paint or stencil). They basically bought the right to use that stencil anyway they want. We literally sell hundreds of thousands of these each year. That makes for a lot of stencils floating around. We pantone color match for the team color.
Gary
Gary Cole @ the office
I THINK it is all about price point. They know the ideal price point at retail is between $8 and $19.99. You can find these kits on sale for everywhere between $8 and $12 on Amazon. A stencil would sell for $2 to $3 which is too low for their desired price point. THIS IS JUST MY SPECULATION. We do not sell or make licensed stencils unless they either prove they have the rights or they sign a detailed legal waver as we do not wish to get into a legal skirmish (that we would surely lose). Do a google search for your desired team and “sports paint” and then click on images and it is sure to pop up. We have done every major sports team and over 400 colleges. I just searched Broncos and it popped as the second image. It is tightly regulated with the hologram.
Arla Albers
http://www.avvo.com/legal-guides/ugc/can-i-use-nfl-logos-without-permission
My husband found this on the internet……
Arla
Val Daft
I believe that link refers to tangible objects, like mugs and anything else subject to sales tax. That is why if a kid ask you for a Minnie Mouse face freehand at a party nobody will shoot you, but if you post it on your website, display board, or offer themed parties they will complain. In football faces the issues comes in with a stencil. You cannot cut your own stencil and paint outside the grounds. As long as you have a legit place to paint the issue is the stencil. The item you can keep and put in a bag etc. You can use that guys stencils because he has paid for the licence to sell them, and prob paid very good money. They are also size limited so you can't do t-shirts etc with them.
Valerie Daft
www.limelightfaces.com
