FW: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
Here is some feedback from the consultants. I think it is the best we have had yet.
Elizabeth
Sent: 25 January 2011 10:44
To: Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
Cc: Dixon, Samantha
Subject: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Dear Elizabeth
Thank you for forwarding the request – ECS advises on non FP7 grants so it has been reviewed by their partner, Gill Wells at PNO and her advice is below.
Gill is more than happy to speak to you on this if you require more information/detail.
Gill’s contact email is Gill....@pnoconsultants.com
Kind regards
Alison
Gill Wells’ reply
I’ve read the proposal outline and, broadly it seems to fit with FET Open. The relevant part of the Work Programme is copied below.
My only concern is the statement “would not be supported elsewhere in the ICT Work Programme”. A lot of semantic web research in funded within the ICT work programme – especially under the broad area of ‘Natural Language Processing and Information Extraction’ and, whilst automated semantic web is certainly a huge step, the proposal will have to really justify why FET should fund this development. I am sure the consortium will be able to do this and, indeed it may be simply a case that automated semantic web is such a leap forward that it needs a dedicated project rather than being part of a larger project which is also aiming to fulfil other policy drivers.
The other key factor in this will be the consortium itself – there were no details of the partnership on the outline I received. There are some large and impressive teams across Europe working on semantic web and I’m sure the Commission will pay special attention to the partners to ensure that they are the right team to deliver.
In terms of the target outcome, the project amply fulfils the first two criteria. As yet, without knowledge of the partnership, it is not really possible to evaluate whether the project would fulfil the ‘new inter-disciplinary collaborations’ aspect.
However, overall, I certainly think that this proposal should be further developed and I would be happy to discuss this further with Dr Guest.
Objective ICT-2011.9.1: Challenging current Thinking
Target Outcome
This objective supports the exploration of new and alternative ideas that, because of their risky or non-conventional nature, would not be supported elsewhere in the ICT Work
Programme. It seeks:
- foundational breakthroughs as crucial steps towards radically new forms and uses of
information and information technologies within a clear long-term vision that is far
beyond the state of the art;
- ambitious proof-of-concept and its supporting scientific foundation, where novelty comes
from new, high-risk ideas rather than from the refinement of current ICT approaches;
- new inter-disciplinary collaborations, possibly with prominent and internationally
recognized non-EU research teams where these can provide a significant added value.
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Grimshaw, Mark
Thanks Elizabeth (and please thank the consultant for the feedback). The bit about partners we can ignore -- we have to ignore it as we cannot give any information that would allow our identities to be given away (unless the rules have changed). Perhaps there is scope to expand a little more on the disciplines and skills involved in the inter-disciplinary team.
I agree with the advice on the statement "would not be supported elsewhere in the ICT Work Programme". If we do say this, then we do need to explain why.
All in all, positive and encouraging feedback.
Mark
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To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [fp7-semantics-consortium] FW: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Hi,
Here is some feedback from the consultants. I think it is the best we have had yet.
Elizabeth
________________________________
From: Stanton, Alison
Sent: 25 January 2011 10:44
To: Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
Cc: Dixon, Samantha
Subject: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Dear Elizabeth
Thank you for forwarding the request - ECS advises on non FP7 grants so it has been reviewed by their partner, Gill Wells at PNO and her advice is below.
Gill is more than happy to speak to you on this if you require more information/detail.
Gill's contact email is Gill....@pnoconsultants.com<mailto:Gill....@pnoconsultants.com>
Kind regards
Alison
Gill Wells' reply
I've read the proposal outline and, broadly it seems to fit with FET Open. The relevant part of the Work Programme is copied below.
My only concern is the statement "would not be supported elsewhere in the ICT Work Programme". A lot of semantic web research in funded within the ICT work programme - especially under the broad area of 'Natural Language Processing and Information Extraction' and, whilst automated semantic web is certainly a huge step, the proposal will have to really justify why FET should fund this development. I am sure the consortium will be able to do this and, indeed it may be simply a case that automated semantic web is such a leap forward that it needs a dedicated project rather than being part of a larger project which is also aiming to fulfil other policy drivers.
The other key factor in this will be the consortium itself - there were no details of the partnership on the outline I received. There are some large and impressive teams across Europe working on semantic web and I'm sure the Commission will pay special attention to the partners to ensure that they are the right team to deliver.
Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
Hi everybody!
Well, that was good news for me too! Thank you so muich, Elizabeth, and please transfer my thanks to the consultant that gave us the feedback!
I managed to shorten our document to 6 pages and I attach it to this message. It was mainly using less words for the same content, which I hope doesn't affect the clarity of the described methods. I took special care to not let anything disappear completely, so that the width of our proposal remains intact.
The point about no other such project in the ICT programme, as stated by Gill, is indeed very important. If I understood this point correctly then I think that we cover this implicitly since we include so many text passages describing the complete methodological difference of our approach with all the others. But since perhaps implicitly is not enough, I added the explicit formulation in two places in our document, saying that "currently nobody else does something like that". Though this is completely true considering the methodology of other semantic projects, it also sounds a bit... well, kind of "arrogant" to me. But of course the proposal has to stay at pure facts no matter how their description might be interpreted, and the fact is that the proposal is unique in its ways.
So, let's allow one week for reading the document and then we can start our second try. During this week I open a new EPSS place for us and so we can proceed then to the usual procedure - budgets etc.
Thank you very very much all,
Nick
P.S.: Please, could everybody who is still there give a short reply?
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Kor, Ah-Lian
Well done, Nick.
Ah Lian
Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
I am certainly still in with the bid, and very much hoping that we will eventually get it. I will pass the feedback onto the consultant. It is by far the most constructive that we have had.
Elizabeth
milan
I agree with Elizabeth.
Nick, from my point of view EC now has no way to reject our proposal :) great work!
cheers,
Milan
Ken Currie
I will read and comment over the weekend,
Ken
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Grimshaw, Mark
Hi Nick,
I agree with Elizabeth’s change.
Just one suggestion following on from the consultant’s complaint that there was no indication of who was going to do all this (although we must remain anonymous). I think we do need to say what disciplines are involved in section 1.3 2):
2)Developing the first principles and extending them in a highly interdisciplinary team for use as the logical foundations upon which the IT processes will be based. [ADD…]The team comprises experts in …..
If you think that’s a good idea, then perhaps members could forward their disciplines to you so you can make an appropriate selection/summary. For me, you can use:
Sound, computer games, embodied cognition, virtual research environments, computer programming
With a bit of judicious reformatting, we should be able to squeeze in at least 2 and possibly 3 lines – in some places double or triple spacing between paragraphs can be removed.
Then submit please!
Mark
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Roberto García
I also agree with Mark and Elizabeth, a list of disciplines might make the proposal stronger from the team point of view.
Ours: Human-Computer Interaction, User Experience, Linked Data, Semantic Web, Knowledge Engineering, Complex Systems.
Best,
Roberto García
http://rhizomik.net/~roberto
Ken Currie
For the record CAPDM have a long history in:
document structuring standards (SGML and XML), semantic mark-up, XML technologies, knowledge management
and we are software engineers! A number of us came from Artificial Intelligence at Edinburgh University (though this is irrelevant today) and through Business Schools -- hence our business information and information management interests.
A variety of backgrounds.
Ken
Kor, Ah-Lian
Dear All,
For our Leeds Met Group:
AI, Reasoning Systems, Intelligent Systems, Knowledge Representation, Semantics, etc..
Thanks.
Ah Lian
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Subject: Re: [fp7-semantics-consortium] FW: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Nick et al
Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
Elizabeth
Sent: 01 February 2011 10:32
To: 'fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] FW: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Alejandro Varas Gálvez
Hi all!
My final comments are:
1) I will include a short definition of “mathematical isomorphism” and “pattern clustering” in the abstract (one or two lines each one), so we can clarify our concept, that may differ of the evaluator’s
2) I will also shorten the WP breakdown, I will only show the name and number, as the description in detail belong to next submission (or I least that‘s what I think)
3) I won’t include the expertise of each partner, I will just add a final sentence with the fields of knowledge necessary for the projects that are covered by partners.
I hope this week I can give you access to our platform to share information and docs, through www.semacomp.eu (it is already registered). Sorry for the delay and inconveniences.
Regards,
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Alejandro Varas Gálvez
Good morning,
In order to give access to partners to our platform to share information and documents, it is necessary that everyone send to me the following data:
- Name
- User name
Once, we have collected all the information, we will send to your email your password so everyone would be able to join to our little space in the web ;) I think it will be available earliest tomorrow morning or latest Friday morning.
Cheers,
Ken Currie
Grimshaw, Mark
Mark Grimshaw
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Subject: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] FW: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Good morning,
In order to give access to partners to our platform to share information and documents, it is necessary that everyone send to me the following data:
- Name
- User name
Once, we have collected all the information, we will send to your email your password so everyone would be able to join to our little space in the web ;) I think it will be available earliest tomorrow morning or latest Friday morning.
Cheers,
Alejandro Varas Gálvez
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Asunto: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] FW: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Hi all!
My final comments are:
1) I will include a short definition of "mathematical isomorphism" and "pattern clustering" in the abstract (one or two lines each one), so we can clarify our concept, that may differ of the evaluator's
2) I will also shorten the WP breakdown, I will only show the name and number, as the description in detail belong to next submission (or I least that's what I think)
3) I won't include the expertise of each partner, I will just add a final sentence with the fields of knowledge necessary for the projects that are covered by partners.
I hope this week I can give you access to our platform to share information and docs, through www.semacomp.eu (it is already registered). Sorry for the delay and inconveniences.
Regards,
Alejandro Varas Gálvez
Proyectos Europeos. Consultor
European Projects Consultant
ava...@citic.es
skype: avaras.citic
Tfno.: +34 952 028 610
Fax: +34 951 231 029
Web: <http://www.citic.es/> www.citic.es
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Parque Tecnológico de Andalucía
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De: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] En nombre de Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
Enviado el: jueves, 27 de enero de 2011 12:42
Para: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: [fp7-semantics-consortium] FW: ECS consultants and SemaComp
Hi everybody!
Well, that was good news for me too! Thank you so muich, Elizabeth, and please transfer my thanks to the consultant that gave us the feedback!
I managed to shorten our document to 6 pages and I attach it to this message. It was mainly using less words for the same content, which I hope doesn't affect the clarity of the described methods. I took special care to not let anything disappear completely, so that the width of our proposal remains intact.
The point about no other such project in the ICT programme, as stated by Gill, is indeed very important. If I understood this point correctly then I think that we cover this implicitly since we include so many text passages describing the complete methodological difference of our approach with all the others. But since perhaps implicitly is not enough, I added the explicit formulation in two places in our document, saying that "currently nobody else does something like that". Though this is completely true considering the methodology of other semantic projects, it also sounds a bit... well, kind of "arrogant" to me. But of course the proposal has to stay at pure facts no matter how their description might be interpreted, and the fact is that the proposal is unique in its ways.
So, let's allow one week for reading the document and then we can start our second try. During this week I open a new EPSS place for us and so we can proceed then to the usual procedure - budgets etc.
Thank you very very much all,
Nick
P.S.: Please, could everybody who is still there give a short reply?
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Ah-Lian Kor
milan
Alejandro Varas Gálvez
Hello all,
Now you can access to www.semacomp.eu, I added little information right now, only information about the call (see sources section) and the last version of our short proposal (see Ideas section). The platform we are going to use was designed to share sources of information and new ideas that can be shared and afterwards. The tags are very useful to find information quickly. You will find some options and information that is rather useless right now, but they are very useful within the usual function of this platform. If you are interested in this function and what to know more about it, feel free to ask me and I will be glad to attend you.
I have just sent the access to everyone who asked for it. It was only 8 people, I thought there were more people involved in the proposal. If someone didn’t read my previous email and want to have access to the webpage, he/she has only to ask me for it (sending full name, email and desired username) and I will do ASAP.
I hope you all are OK and keep SEMACOMP in mind J
Regards
milan
Dear Alejandro,
thank you for your email and access data.
However, I was unable to reach the web site. It redirects me to http://www.semacomp.eu/login/?next=/ and then it just freezes while „connected to 192.168.20.57“ is in the left bottom.
Can you check it?
Thank you in advance too.
Cheers,
Milan
Kor, Ah-Lian
Thanks a lot Alejandro.
Ah Lian
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Grimshaw, Mark
Hi Nick,
Hope all’s well with you. What’s the SEMACOMP status? Have you submitted?
Alejandro: Thanks for setting up the website. I can’t find anywhere to set my own password once I’ve logged in on the Ideon system. Is this possible?
Mark
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Hello all,
Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
And first of all, many many thanks to everybody for the really helpful input, and many special thanks to Alejandro and CITIC for the site!
And of course also many thanks Milan for your care about my presence under the living. ;-)
As always, time has been passing much faster than I would like it to, and it was full of events. So, I try to report things one one after the other here.
I started a small research in proceedings of category theory and I am amazed about what the guys are finding there! Really, some of the new results were at least completely unexpected! It took many hours of reading for me in order to understand what is going on in that front of science, and many things I still have to follow very very carefully in order to get them into my mind and be up to date. But the things that I already was able to comprehend promise to be very helpful for our aims. Still there is a bit of confusion about many new terms as they keep appearing day by day. (I think that this is the usual way in new disciplines - the common basis of notion and definitions has to be worked out first, and this also means some kind of confusion at the start. Quite normal.) Anyway, it gets more and more promising for our aims too.
I still didn't manage to contact the university of Bern about some more info on the results about "no necessity of consciousness for learning", of which I was talking before. I hope I will be able to manage to do this this week. This could prove very interesting for us, since the new results on the front edge of neuro-physchology seem to quite devastate what was thought to be the holy grail of cognition at all, even in philosophy. So, let's see. Perhaps we could win the people there for our consortium too? (Only a thought.)
Now on to our proposal. After reading the very interesting input from all of you, I did add the fields of expertise of our team - and this was also quite surprising to me. I already knew that we have a wide spectrum of expertise but now I see that it was much wider than I would ever imagine! I tried to combine all the different areas in such a way that no repetitions appear in the description of our specific domains of investigation. Since we only have limited space for the formulation of our project proposal, this meant that many times I had to combine two or more specific subjects of expertise into a more general term in order to save space. Please, don't think that I consider any of our specific areas of knowledge as "less important". I only try to compress our large variety of expertise into a limited space. So, I hope you all feel well represented in section 1.3 2. I attach the edited proposal here, and hope that we can submit it this way. (At last! ;-))
BTW, our EPSS site is also ready. I added all partners and I am sending you the user/pass in separate email to your email address for security reasons. Please take the time to enter your data and correct any possible mistakes I made about your site.
Once more about our new site at CITIC, thanks a lot Alejandro and please pass my thanks to the company! You can use kickniko as my user name and nkaragia...@diso.ch as my email.
I spent a lot of thoughts about your input on the proposal too. Adding the definition of isomorphism and/or pattern clustering would be good if the people who are going to decide about our short proposal were also specialists in such areas. But I have the feeling that they are rather "generalists" and so any kind of exact definition will appear rather difficult (if impossible) to understand for them. So I am a bit reluctant about that. Don't get me wrong here, I really would plaid too for what you suggest in case I would write a letter to you or to our other experts here, but I have the feeling that this will be no good for our short proposal. As an example I also attach a short definition of isomorphism in mathematics, where I used italics to indicate all further terms that would need additional definitions. And for each and every of these terms one has to use other more basic terms, and so on - I think you know already from your field of expertise how hard it can get to define what you do in "some few words" to somebody that doesn't come from that field. So I guess that this is something for the full proposal, but still, what do you think? (We do have some more space after reformatting - see below in this message.)
About point (2) of your considerations, I wished it could be done this way, for saving space. But as we already saw we received relatively good critiques for the description of out methods and ways of works, along with minus points for a poor clarification of *how* we are going to do it. So I think that we better keep these paragraphs at least intact instead of weakening them. (Still I keep this idea as a main ingredient for a hypothetical third version of our short proposal, while I beg you all to cross your fingers for the second one.)
Point (3) of your considerations is OK to me, up to one little thing that perhaps could make a difference. As it is now, we don't only say what kind of expertise is needed for our aims but we also say that we do have the experts in the domains needed - and indeed we have all, as I pointed out earlier in this message. (In fact it could be called "joint efforts of science and business", what we are supposed to do here.) So, why not keeping it? Isn't it better to say what is needed and also that we have it, than only saying what is needed?
Another important thing to say is that I also reformatted the proposal "a little bit". I hope that this "little bit" doesn't affect readability that much, but it really had to be done or we would have to choose which important part to delete. I have the impression that our proposal reached a maximum of optimization of content in a minimum of space - there is no more "compressibility" available. With the new format we also gained a little more space, which could be used for the definitions that Alejandro claims for. So it seems to boil down to that question. To define or not to define? Again, the definitions themselves could be squeezed down to fit the new available space, but the problem is that any term used for a definition might be in need of a definition for itself. And I don't see any clear threshold point, from which on one could say that "no further clarification" of the definitions is needed.
Well, here we are! I am eager to submit and with a bit of luck to start working for our project.
Cheers!
Nick
Grimshaw, Mark
edited out (whereas, on the other hand, I can see plenty there that I'm
glad is still there) and the long list of inter-disciplinary disciplines
seems comprehensive and impressive.
Basta! Submit it!
Mark
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milan
Thank you for your email! It's great to know that you are alive :) Also,
it's a brilliant work which you have done for SEMACOMP. I see that now there
is even too much space for us in the proposal :)
However, it seems there are some problems with your email coming to me
(directly from diso.ch). Well, it didn't pass (I have also sent you an email
on Sunday and it got back with no user found error) so I saw EPSS password
from Ah-Lian's mail. I validated EPSS form and ready to proceed when the
rest of the partners are!
I believe that this time it will be more successful proposal!
Cheers and have a good afternoon!
Milan
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Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
However, it seems there are some problems with your email coming to me
(directly from diso.ch). Well, it didn't pass (I have also sent you an email
on Sunday and it got back with no user found error) so I saw EPSS password
from Ah-Lian's mail. I validated EPSS form and ready to proceed when the
rest of the partners are!
Grimshaw, Mark
Mark
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Kor, Ah-Lian
Dear Nick,
Attached is the updated details of leeds met members – our faculty has now merged in Faculty of Arts, Environment and Technology.
Thanks.
Ah Lian
milan
thank you very much for proposal submission as well as all other work 'till
now.
I am sending you Budget table - same as it was in last proposal (as far as I
know it fits perfectly).
I am voting for skype conference next week. Do we have some suggested agenda
so we can prepare a bit?
Also, I haven't got any mail from INFSO-...@ec.europa.eu, can you send it
again Nick, or can I ask some of the partners to try to forward it to me?
Nick, we should check what is going on between our "direct" communication! I
got email bounce that it gave up trying to reach you - maybe it's got to do
with your alive thing ;)
Cheers to all and wish us nest of luck in this proposal!
Milan
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Karagiaouroglou
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:32 PM
To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Domain already available
kickniko
After more than a week I return, and with some good news too.
For the time being my wish for less "usual" ICT-projects and more time
for our proposal proves to be quite difficult, and it turns once more
to be this way just because a "usual" project was started without real
design and well thought out definitions. So I am quite between the
hammer and the anvil, but so we also see why I insisted that much on a
flawless design *before* a single lide of code is written. Anyway, I
got to somehow get through it now. In case we get a green light I am
going to leave all "usual" things behind me once and for all - really,
it is bad to not be able to get a single clear thought just because of
patching on bugs, while each patch generates too new bugs, and so
on. ;-)
Well, now on the good news and then on the answers to your messages.
First of all I managed to get another very very skilled and educated
person to out team. His name is Fred Malfait, and he has already
worked for making a real existing semantic system in medicine/
pharmacy. His knowledge on mathematics is also very deep and so I
think that our consortium will be enhanced soon. He is on the process
to subscribe his company in FP7 and get a PIC. After that I will add
him to our EPSS. This means that we will have to wait some days until
we submit, but as there is no deadline we can do that confidently. (Or
am I wrong?)
There could be another good company that would like to participate - I
am already in the talks with them. They seem to be very string in
making working things with the most common means. I will definitely
know their answer until the end of the week.
About your messages now:
Mark:
> Submitted? Congratulations Nick!
Not yet Mark, but thanks a lot anyway! As already said the two
additional co-workers have to be (eventually) added to our EPSS and
also to out group. And also, I see that nobody entered the budget data
yet. I think I will have to send emails to each of us for that.
I only have the budgets from Oleks, Ah-Lian, Milan, and Agata. Could
the other people send me theirs too, please?
Ah-Lian:
>Dear Nick,
>Attached is the updated details of leeds met members - our faculty has now merged in
Thanks a lot for your budget, I will enter the data. But I don't see
any attachment about the updated details of your faculty. Could you
resend that please?
Milan:
>thank you very much for proposal submission as well as all other work 'till
>now.
Milan. But as already said, let us first get the green light and that
was it.
>I am sending you Budget table - same as it was in last proposal (as far as I
>know it fits perfectly).
>I am voting for skype conference next week. Do we have some suggested agenda
>so we can prepare a bit?
fall. But I don't see much resonance yet. So if anybody has
suggestions about that, please send a message.
The agenda, as far as I am concerned should necessarily contain how to
prepare the full proposal. For the time being I think that everybody
could prepare some document with the own ideas about that, while I
(still) prepare the full proposal. Then I could try to fit your ideas
in the full proposal in such a way that a whole is generated.
But this doesn't have to be the best way, of course. So, we will need
to talk about that and about ideas of how to make it.
If anybody has additional thoughts for the agenda, then please send
them here and let me know.
>Also, I haven't got any mail from INFSO-ICT...@ec.europa.eu, can you send it
address this time. (karagia...@bluewin.ch)
And of course you can ask anybody here for a forward - I guess
everybody would be happy to help.
>Nick, we should check what is going on between our "direct" communication! I
>got email bounce that it gave up trying to reach you - maybe it's got to do
>with your alive thing ;)
the service we use from the company seems to be quite a zombie
sometimes. For no obvious reason it will generate such problems... I
suggest we use my other address for direct comms, since I don't have
any insight about possible reasons for the problems we have now.
>Cheers to all and wish us nest of luck in this proposal!
there.
So, now I am going to the "direct" comms.
Cheers and see you soon!
Nick
Grimshaw, Mark
The two new members sound good - what's our consortium size now?
Can you remind me/us what budget details are required? I thought the short proposal submission required nothing in the way of budgets.
Mark
milan
hope you all are doing fine.
Just wanted to check are there any news Nick? There is no partner budget in
EPSS?
Also, have you received my email this time? :)
Looking forward to have a skype conference in near future as well as start
doing some real job in our project!
Cheers,
Milan
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Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:58 PM
To: FP7 semantics consortium
Subject: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
Grimshaw, Mark
I too am curious as to what's happening. As far as I'm aware we have a proposal ready to (re)submit and there is no requirement for partner budgets just yet.
Mark
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fp7-semantics-
Kor, Ah-Lian
I thought Nick asked for it some time ago and Leeds Met has re-sent the overall estimate.
Ah Lian
Hi all,
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Grimshaw, Mark
So, nothing else required from us? What's our status Nick? Has the bid been resubmitted?
Mark
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>
Kor, Ah-Lian
Yea, absolutely nothing else at the moment just patience :-).
Grimshaw, Mark
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> Sent: 31 March 2011 12:04
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> Subject: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
>
Alejandro Varas
Is there any problem with the submission? I sent to Nick our budget some
weeks ago, but I haven't received any feedback from Nick since 3 or 4 weeks
ago. I think we have to provide a draft of the budget of the whole
consortium in this first stage.
Regards,
Alejandro Varas Gálvez
Proyectos Europeos. Consultor
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-----Mensaje original-----
De: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] En nombre de Grimshaw,
Mark
Enviado el: jueves, 31 de marzo de 2011 13:06
Para: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Asunto: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
Grimshaw, Mark
I have no recollection of providing any budget information for the first submission so am puzzled as to what might be required for this (the same process).
Nick?
Mark
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> -----Original Message-----
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> conso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alejandro Varas
> Sent: 31 March 2011 14:31
> To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
>
Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
I am (as always) in a hurry, but tonight I will be sending you new info about the proceedings. Quite a few good things have happened about which I will be glad to report.
But here a bit about submitting:
Yes, when we submitted the first time, we already had all our budget data already input in our EPSS place. We had quite a long discussion too, about the budgets being enough or too little, etc. before we proceeded to submitting - remember? The budget is an integrated part of the project, isn't it?
Then we have also one new member, Fred Malfait from IMOS Consulting, about whom I talked in the last message. He is waiting for his ECAS registration data. As soon as he receives these data, I will add IMOS and submit.
Tonight I will also have the time for inputing the available budget data.
So, till tonight, and have a nice afternoon.
Cheers,
Nick
P.S.: BTW, is it possible to add new member to out consortium *after* having submitted our project? I think it is not, but does anybody know definitely?
Kor, Ah-Lian
Ah Lian
Hi everybody!
Cheers,
Nick
Grimshaw, Mark
I believe it is possible to add new members for stage 2 although the
project should not be changed too radically.
Mark
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> conso...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
> Sent: 01 April 2011 13:16
> To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
Well, here is the news with more details, as promised. I will be answering also your messages in detail tomorrow, but first let's see what happened in the last weeks.
1) I was registered as the LEAR of DiSo Solutions, which of course brings some additional benefits in terms of administration possibilities for our project. For those of you who may not be already familiar with that, it stands for Legal Entity Appointed Representative (and it sounds so impressive too;-)). A LEAR receives enhanced access rights to the web applications of FP7 which have such capabilities like for example administering documents, roles of persons in the projects, communications, and the like.
2) As already said, we get another member in our consortium. I am going to add the data as soon as they are available, and also introduce our new guy in the group. A very peaceful and gentle man with a very sharp understanding in matters of semantics but also general theory of computing machines.
There is also a second person who would (perhaps) join us, Petra Schoofs who just got a position at the university of Sunderland and is about to finish her dissertation about the mechanisms of language acquisition and attrition. I try to win her for our group, but the problem is that she has quite a heavy workload and that this is not going to change in the next months. Well... let's see.
3) As already said some time ago, I also tried to contact the SAS Institute, since Mr. Goodnight is well known for his interest for research with which he drives the company in a completely different way than for example Oracle, or MicroSoft. The idea was that we might get some extra budget from SAS, but unfortunately my attempts to communicate directly with him (or somebody of SAS' research and development team) fail because all emails I send are "intercepted" by SAS Switzerland. (They land on their desks first.) And though Goodnight himself and the research and development team are quite interested for such things, SAS Switzerland under the current administration is the typical case of a consulting only narrow-mindedness. (Most of them consider Goodnight's style of driving a company completely old fashioned.)
So I must change my methods for getting in contact directly with SAS in the USA. This cannot be done via the web site of SAS since my messages are not forwarded because of their subject. A personal meeting might prove much better, but I don't know of any visit of Mr. Goodnight somewhere in Europe soon. The only thing that remains is to either try to circumvent the european servers of SAS, or to visit SAS in Heidelberg, Germany. I think I will try the latter variant first.
4) I try to prepare a poster and a small seminar for fet11 in order to participate there - as Alejandro said, this could be a good move for our consortium. Of course our stuff is quite theoretical yet, but exactly this is also a big part of the sense of fet11. I guess that the best thing would be not to work as much on the details of our concept considering the way it works, but considering the benefits that it can bring into practical computing and also into theoretical understanding of cognition itself. What do you think about this? Could that bring some advantageous reactions for us?
Have a nice night and till tomorrow for answering your messages!
Nick
Grimshaw, Mark
Do you mean you think the current proposal is not yet ready for submission and requires input from others first?
Mark
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Sent: Sat 02/04/2011 00:43
To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
Giovanni Tummarello
Giovanni
Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
The two new members sound good - what's our consortium size now?
> Can you remind me/us what budget details are required? I thought the short proposal submission required nothing in the way of budgets.
I too am curious as to what's happening. As far as I'm aware we have a proposal ready to (re)submit and there is no requirement for partner budgets just yet.
So, nothing else required from us? What's our status Nick? Has the bid been resubmitted?
I have no recollection of providing any budget information for the first submission so am puzzled as to what might be required for this (the same process).
I believe it is possible to add new members for stage 2 although the
project should not be changed too radically.
Do you mean you think the current proposal is not yet ready for submission and requires input from others first?
Just wanted to check are there any news Nick? There is no partner budget in
EPSS?
The budget data can be input (unfortunately) only be me. So, I will add your data as soon as you send them to me. You can use the attached document and see how the costs are grouped.
Also, have you received my email this time? :)
Unfortunately no, Milan. I will search also my filtered emails, and tell you.
Looking forward to have a skype conference in near future as well as start
Indeed, we should have a conference again.
Attached is the updated excel spreadsheet for partners.
In order to prepare the budget, I assume that WP1 is a Management one, as well as WP2 (dissemination) and the rest are RTD. I can’t edit the A3.1 form of CITIC, do I send you the table and you add the data to the epss?
I’ve tried to fill in the finantial data of CITIC in the EPSS but I couldn’t I guess it is a task that has to be done by the coordinator. I assumed that dissemination activities in WP2 are considered MGT as they are different than demonstration. Our budget for SEMACOMP 2 is this:
I sent you the budget of CITIC and I didn’t receive any feedback. How is the preparation of SEMACOMP going?
Is there any problem with the submission? I sent to Nick our budget someweeks ago, but I haven't received any feedback from Nick since 3 or 4 weeksago. I think we have to provide a draft of the budget of the wholeconsortium in this first stage.
Nick was it submitted? how many partners in the consortium now?
milan
Dear Nick,
thank you for your detailed email.
As far as I remember I sent you budget for Ofir Ltd.
Also, I am voting for skype conference on Friday (08.04). What do the others think about it?
I'll try to send you test email from another account and please let me know have you received it.
Cheers & have a successful working week everybody!!
Milan
From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 7:13 PM
To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Grimshaw, Mark
My apologies Nick,
I had it in my head that no budget was required at this stage for FET-Open. You are of course quite right that it is required and I’ll get onto it right away.
Mark
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Grimshaw, Mark
Hi Milan,
Can’t do the Friday – sorry.
Mark
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Kor, Ah-Lian
Dear Milan,
I can do Mon, Tuesday, Wed or Thursday but not Friday as well.
Ah Lian
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milan
Dear all,
how about next Monday – so we can count on Nick as he said?
cheers,
Milan
Kor, Ah-Lian
Dear Milan,
I can do 0900-1000 UK time – what time will it be for you?
Thanks.
Ah Lian
Elenika Zamsha
I am available any time for a skype conf.
Regarding new partners there is a possibility to add a new partner after review BUT with a small or without changing budget. Also there is a possibility to replace one partner only i case if the old one doesn't execute it's part of job in project.
All changes requires a lot of documentation and motivation to the Comission.
Regards,
Elena
milan
Dear Ah Lian,
ok, that would be 1000-1100 for me.
Others - please join us for at least half an hour so we can solve all questions for now. Of course, we'll see is Nick available at that time!
Elena, nice to hear you…hope everything is ok!
cheers and good night!
Milan
Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
Monday morning is difficult for me, but if we start at 9:00 UK time, I can do about 1/2 hour.
I am getting concerned about the size of the consortium. Are there funded FET open projects with just as many or more partners? How can we check?
Elizabeth
Sent: 04 April 2011 22:07
Kor, Ah-Lian
Dear Milan,
Monday 0900 UK time then.
Alejandro Varas
Dear all,
Next week is energy week here in Brussels and I’ll try to attend as many events as possible, because there are a lot of interesting ones, so, I can’t know if I’ll be free for a conference because my agenda might change every day in last minute. Anyway, I will try to make a break to talk to you, this is being a crazy time here, too many things and so little time!
Regards,
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Kor, Ah-Lian
Dear Milan,
My skype name is lmualkor.
Elena Zamsa
I am very glad to be back!
100% it is NOT possible to add a new member in the consortium at the
stage when the project is submitted and we have no results.
There are possibilites to add a new member in few cases but without
incresing the budget and without changing the WPs at the moment of
negotiations with Comission.
Also there is a possibility to change partners if the old partner does
not do it's job in the project.
ALL CHANGES should be very strong motivated and explained to the Comission.
Warm regards,
Elena
Grimshaw, Mark
Confirming receipt.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com on behalf of Elena Zamsa
Sent: Fri 01/04/2011 13:47
To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
Dear all,
I am very glad to be back!
100% it is NOT possible to add a new member in the consortium at the
stage when the project is submitted and we have no results.
There are possibilites to add a new member in few cases but without
incresing the budget and without changing the WPs at the moment of
negotiations with Comission.
Also there is a possibility to change partners if the old partner does
not do it's job in the project.
ALL CHANGES should be very strong motivated and explained to the Comission.
Warm regards,
Elena
On 04/01/2011 03:16 PM, Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou wrote:
Elena Zamsa
thank you! finally our server is ok and i am back :)
Agree with Ken regarding new partners after the project won, it is
difficult but not impossible.
Regards,
Elena
Alejandro Varas
I couldn't attend to the skype conference, which are next steps?
Regards,
-----Mensaje original-----
De: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] En nombre de Elena Zamsa
Enviado el: martes, 05 de abril de 2011 13:11
Para: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Asunto: Re: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
kickniko
I talked to Milan over skype this afternoon and I am glad to know that
you had a small conference already. As about me, I think that it is
about time to completely change my schedule, give absolute priority to
FP7 and just follow you whenever you are available for a conference.
So for me from now on it is OK on any day of the week from 8:00 to
10:00, and all the other things simply have to wait. (BTW, It doesn't
have to be all of us at though of course it would be good to have many
people participating.) Starting from tomorrow I will be just checking
if many of us are online and try to start a short conference. In
addition to that I suggest also a more "official" conference for this
Wednesday at 9:00 and one for Friday 9:00, though I can also
understand that Friday will be not very easy because of Easter. (As
always times are MET.)
Now for some replies to your messages:
************************
Milan:
> As far as I remember I sent you budget for Ofir Ltd.
> I'll try to send you test email from another account and please let me know
> have you received it.
bluewin, sunrise or diso? Such a strange thing!
>Of course, we'll see is Nick available at that time!
general statement here, I really see that there is no sense for me to
have 10 things with top priority all at the same time. It simply
doesn't work. I guess that this will cause some raised eyebrows to
many people of other projects I am involved in, but this is it.
************************
Mark:
>My apologies Nick,
>I had it in my head that no budget was required at this stage for
>FET-Open. You are of course quite right that it is required and I'll
>get onto it right away.
necessary at this stage. But regulations have also some less logical
sides, it seems.
>Can't do the Friday - sorry.
As already said, from now on I try to get a quick conference every
morning with anybody being online from 8:00 to 10:00 MET. So we will
surely meet one way or the other. Next "more official" conference
could be this Wednesday 9:00. Can you make it then Mark?
************************
Ah-Lian:
>I can do Mon, Tuesday, Wed or Thursday but not Friday as well.
************************
Elenika:
>I am available any time for a skype conf.
Elenika?
>100% it is NOT possible to add a new member in the consortium at the
>stage when the project is submitted and we have no results.
>review BUT with a small or without changing budget. Also there is a
>possibility to replace one partner only i case if the old one doesn't
>execute it's part of job in project.
>All changes requires a lot of documentation and motivation to the Comission.
member (Fred) is with us and has sent his budget data. I think that it
is better to start with a complete setup instead of trying to change
things afterwards. As we have the time it would be too hurried to
submit before we fixed the setup, I think.
************************
Elizabeth
>Monday morning is difficult for me, but if we start at 9:00 UK time, I can do about 1/2 hour.
in the short conferences I will be attempting every morning? (IN case
you are online, of course.)
>I am getting concerned about the size of the consortium. Are there funded FET
>open projects with just as many or more partners? How can we check?
of them. There is not any kind of "unwritten law" that dictates
maximum consortium size, but of course the size depends on the
complexity of the subject. In our case it is absolutely understandable
that this is not something that some few guys can accomplish, since
nobody can have all that necessary knowledge. Searching for sizes of
consortia is unfortunately not directly possible on the site of FP7,
but sometimes one can find them by searching for other things.
************************
Alejandro:
>Next week is energy week here in Brussels and I’ll try to attend as many
>>events as possible, because there are a lot of interesting ones, so, I can’t
>know if I’ll be free for a conference because my agenda might change every
>day in last minute. Anyway, I will try to make a break to talk to you, this
>is being a crazy time here, too many things and so little time!
right out of my mouth talking about too many things, too little
time. ;-) I will have to simply cut some of my "too many things" in
order to get things going with our intended project.
>I couldn't attend to the skype conference, which are next steps?
(starting from about 8:00 until 10:00 MET) for a short conference -
just the guys who are online and have some minutes. In addition I
suggested a more "official" conference for Wednesday at 9:00.
************************
So, that was it for today. Hoping to get some of you on skype
tomorrow.
Have a good evening and cheers!
Nick
Grimshaw, Mark
Wednesday 9am MET (should be 9am here in the UK too) should be fine.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com on behalf of kickniko
Sent: Mon 18/04/2011 20:42
To: FP7 semantics consortium
Elena Zamsa
I am fine with a skype conf on wednesday.
Regards,
Elena
kickniko
then I will be glad to be talking to you tomorrow!
Another thing here, I just found out that I can't send messages from
my other accounts at bluewin and sunrise. Google says then that I
don't have the appropriate access rights. Strange but it could be
connected to the problem that Milan reported. Any ideas?
Anyway, yesterday I forgot to write my mobile phone here. In case
there is some hurry to tell/ask me about something you can use: +41 79
603 87 21
Have a nice day,
Nick
Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
Elizabeth
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From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com [fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] on behalf of kickniko [karagia...@bluewin.ch]
Sent: 19 April 2011 07:17
To: FP7 semantics consortium
Subject: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
Elena, Mark,
Have a nice day,
Nick
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0900, Wednesday will be fine for me.
Thanks.
Ah Lian
Hi everybody,
Regards,
Elena
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Alejandro Varas
attend, it is holidays for most people in Spain (but me :( ). Anyway, I
think this time we should talk about next steps to submit the proposal
finally.
Regards,
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Asunto: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Domain already available
Ken Currie
I'm hosting a visit from a publisher at that time -- important meeting for CAPDM -- so I can't make it either.
Ken
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kickniko
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Elizabeth:
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Ah-Lian:
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Alejandro:
>attend, it is holidays for most people in Spain (but me :( ).
are always... next. ;-)
I think I got you, Alejandro!
>Anyway, I
>think this time we should talk about next steps to submit the proposal
>finally.
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Ken:
>for CAPDM -- so I can't make it either.
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So, until tomorrow and a nice evening to you all!
Cheers,
Nick
Grimshaw, Mark
I'm going to have to withdraw from the conference too. Sorry.
Mark
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Elena Zamsa
Soon are the EC events !!!
Let's discuss regarding events that will take place in May in Budapest,
Hungary.
1. FET 2011
http://www.ideal-ist.net/events/192et11-conference/
2. ICT Proposers Day 2011
http://www.ideal-ist.net/events/ict-proposers-day-2011/
I would like to ask who will attend one or both events?
Ideal-ist offers Face to face meetings, so we can meet there by having
place to talk.
I had a great opportunity to meet Milan in Warsaw at one event and i can
confirm, nothing is better than to meet a person in face. :)
Warm regards!
Elena
milan
that it's easier to work with people you have met in person.
Unfortunately I won't be able to participate in those two events as I am on
business trip earlier arranged.
Hope that others will use this great opportunity for live meeting.
Cheers,
Milan
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Dear all,
http://www.ideal-ist.net/events/ict-proposers-day-2011/
Warm regards!
Elena
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I hope you had some good relaxing free days around easter and that you
are doing fine.
Some good news that I have to write about. Since collecting the budget
data from everybody didn't work very well I decided to do a major
search through all emails and messages of SEMACOMP until now in order
to find the budget data of our first submission. It took a lot of time
and it was just like a detective's work, but now I do have all missing
data. I am going to enter it in our EPSS today, where you can check it
and send me corrections if necessary. I will wait until the 5th of May
for such corrections and then just assume that our proposal can be
submitted with these data.
At the same time our new member has receieved his registration so that
I can add him too.
Now, about the meetings: I find it a very good opportunity to meet
each other, so I am going to take part if somebody else is willing to
be there too. Any candidates?
Until today evening and don't forget to check your data in our EPSS
place starting from tomorrow.
Cheers,
Nick
kickniko
Alejandro, is it allowed to transfer all our messages and documents
from this group to our Ideon group, so that we can start using it? I
must say that it is a lot of data.
Cheers,
Nick
kickniko
Just finished typing all missing data in the A3 (and in some A2)
forms. Which means that all budgets are typed in and wait for a check
from you. Please take the time and click the link "Part A", at the top
of the EPSS page. Then you can check your A3 form and download it as a
PDF, check it and tell me if everything is OK.
Note that I used much of the data that was already given to me by all
of you before we submitted the first time. So, the budget data that
some of you sent me this time has to me proportionally raised in order
to reach a more or less equal level as in our first try and in order
to have a more homogenous cost distribution among all partners.
I will be waiting until the 5th of May for your messages for
corrections etc. In case I don't have any message from you until then,
I will assume that it can be submitted this way. So we have one week
for the final corrections of the budget, if any.
At the same time I am trying to contact our (eventually) new member
and add him in the EPSS form. Wish me good luck.
As about the meetings in Budapest, I really think we should try it.
Anybody willing to participate?
And what about another conference this week? Would Friday 10:00 MET
fit you?
Cheers,
Nick
Elena Zamsa
I am affraid the budget for IDSI is not correct, i am attaching what i
have. Could you please forward me the e-mail found with your estimation.
Do you remeber the problem with Moldova, we have a very small Person
month rate, and our estimations were smaller.
Thank you in advance,
Elena
Grimshaw, Mark
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milan
I think I'll be available tomorrow.
Also, budget is OK and your email (@diso.ch) finnaly arrived!
Talk to you all tomorrow!
Cheers,
Milan
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:53 PM
To: FP7 semantics consortium
kickniko
First of all, I will be glad to talk to Mark, Milan and anybody else
who can make it tomorrow.
Elena, thanks for the data. I send you an email too, with the budget
data that we used for you last time when we submitted. I remember the
problem of which you talk, but last time we decided to raise your
budget for conforming to the general levels. So, take a look and tell
me if I should used the bigger numbers.
Well... once more, I will be glad to meet you tomorrow.
Cheers!
Nick
Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
Hi everybody!
During the weekend I tried to put together all things about we talked in the last Skype conference. (Friday, April the 29th.)
First of all of course many thanks to Mark and Oleksandr who took the time and also to Milan for the chat messages.
Then my apologies to Aldo. Unfortunately we finished the conference before you were able to join. But thanks a lot for your Skype name. As far as I can see the next conference will be soon and so perhaps you could join us then. What about next Friday the 6th at 10:00 again? BTW, I attach out new persons table with the most actual data.
Here are the points we talked about:
1) Oleksandr has pointed out that the costs category "Other" should be enabled for all us and the category "Coordination" for me. But both columns are disabled in our EPSS, and so he assumes a malfunction of the site. So I sent an email to the contact persons of FP7 and asked about that. Actually in our last attempt these categories of costs were also disabled, and considering the number of people submitting proposals and the time that passed since our last proposal it seems unlikely to me that such a malfunction survived unnoticed. But one can never know and so I just asked the people there if this is the way it was meant. I am going to send you the answer as soon as it arrives.
2) Mark and Oleksandr pointed out that we should also search and find other project calls where our proposal might fit well too. So I suggest that we keep an eye at the calls and inform the others as soon something is available. This way we could raise our chances for our proposal. Of course if somebody has additional ideas for other proposals that we could submit and that fit some other call, then please feel free to tell us. I think that we do have many possibilities for project proposals too since we have such a great amount of well skilled people here.
3) On May the 5th, I will submit out proposal. In case our new member, Fred, has not received his PIC until then I will add his data manually. (I do have his budget too.) I asked Mark and Oleksandr if we should do something while we wait for the answer from FP7 and we agreed to not do anything additional, since it would be work in vain if we get a negative answer. About this point I do have my partial doubts about "work in vain" and so I already started a bit of research, but let's put it this way: It is not a must. So if somebody feels like doing something while we wait for the answer from FP7, then of course feel free to do so. Otherwise it doesn't have to be until then.
4) And now for a difficult point for me personally. Both Mark and Oleksandr pointed out that much of the way things work in FP7 depends on "sympathies" and the like. So I should make myself more visible in conferences etc. for gaining some "personal points". (Considering my current mass I must be very visible, but that's another story. ;-)) Anyway, this is exactly what I am quite inexperienced and unskilled in, though I know that Mark and Oleksander are right about such sympathies. I was thinking about that during the weekend without really being able to conceive some specific actions. I mean, I couldn't just appear there in front of some of the guys and say "Hi, I am here!". I think that I am going to need help for that by somebody of our consortium who is way a better diplomat and has more experience in such things. This is where I think that our Manuele could play a significant role. (Of course I would be very grateful for anybody else willing to give me a hand about this.) It would be very good, for example, to have such a person with me when participating to some conference where the FP7-guys are present. Which takes me to the next difficult point:
5) I wanted to go to Budapest, prepared a poster, and also hoped somebody of us could come along with me, but on Friday evening I had some quite hard news. My girlfriend has to have total surgery for her cancer and the chances are not really hopeful since she already had a chemo and two radio therapies behind her. So, excuse me guys, I really have to stay here and try to support her each and every way I can on her worst days. I hope you can understand. Excuse me also for this outing, which I don't like at all, but I guess that talking about "personal reasons" wouldn't be better at all. Anyway, I still hope that soon it will be over and that she will recover. After two or three weeks, I will be available for such meetings of FP7 again. (There are quite a few of them.)
Some additional questions here:
1) Elena, could you please repeat to me what you already told me on the conference on Tuesday two weeks ago, about how to add a new member that has registered his SME but has no PIC yet? If I remember well you described a possibility to me but I am not able to remember exactly.
2) Does anybody know of any editor that can check and "beautify" (arrange neatly) SAS-Code? The program editor of SAS itself unfortunately does not offer this possibility. I know that there are many editors that allow you to define your code vocabulary and syntax, indents and the like, but it would be nice not having to manually undertake this procedure.
Cheers and hoping to hear from you soon,
Nick
Kor, Ah-Lian
Dear Nick,
Thanks for the update. Send our regards our prayers to your girlfriend.
Attached is the updated info for Leeds Met partners.
Thanks.
Ah Lian
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milan
Dear Nick,
first things first…I hope that everything will be ok with your girlfriend as soon as possible. Definitely you should be her support and firm shoulder for tackling this period of time as well as recovery after surgery. So, I wish all possible luck for early recovery!
Now, rest in short…
I agree that submission should be done – on Thursday – great :). I must confess that I started to be little impatient about this. Well, let's hope it will be positive this time.
Also, I have couple of ideas to work on while waiting for EC reply so I'll let you know if I come up with something concrete.
As for the other calls, currently I haven't seen any which would allow us to participate all. However, I'll keep my eyes open for any new chances for our proposal.
„Sympathies“ thing is reality and liked or not that's the way it goes. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that together with Nick and Manuele, all WP2 part of consortium should participate in it (more or less, presenting and “collecting points” for proposal is one of the things which will be transformed in “dissemination” later – right?). I have somewhat experience in it, but also willing to learn :) So, Nick you can count on me for „sympathies logistic support“ in next conferences when we agree to go.
Unfortunately I won't be able to participate to conference this Friday because of the business trip (to Split – remember it Nick?? :))) but I'll be with email and able to track consortium news!
I wish you great afternoon!!
cheers,
Milan
From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nikolaos Karagiaouroglou
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:43 PM
To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Newsletter 21
Hi everybody!
Elena Zamsa
Warm regards and support for you and your girlfriend to have forces and to pass this difficult perioud!!! We'll keep finger crossed!!!! i know what means such kind of diagnossis!!!
Regarding the adding a new participant in EPSS.
1. Before having a final PIC he had an intermidiat PIC - that he obtained in maximum 48 hours after his registration (if he did).
(For me were strange your words like : ..........has registered his SME but has no PIC yet.......) - This can not be, there always exists a PIC.
2. You can use this intermediate PIC as a normal one, because if he has this PIC then he is fine in the EC database.
If you are not sure about this intermediate PIC, i can chat with our new colleague and try to figure out it. And if he didn;t do the registration i can help him.
Best regards,
Elena
Grimshaw, Mark
Hi Nick,
Really sorry to hear that and I hope all goes well.
Mark
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Sent: 03 May 2011 12:43
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Subject: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Newsletter 21
Hi everybody!
kickniko
First of all, I really want to thank you all very much for your
wishes! It means much more than just "a lot" for us! Thank you guys,
for all the hope!
Today I contacted Fred, and we re-examined the case of his PIC. It was
exactly as Elena described - thanks a lot Elena. Actually the first
time Fred tried to get his ECAS data for logging into the system,
something didn't work, and so the reply email for the automatic
password was not available. But at that point we both thought that it
just needed time, which was wrong. Today Fred tried once more and
voila! The email for the ECAS password arrived in some minutes and so
Fred could register and received the preliminary PIC. I used it to add
IMOS (Fred's company) to our consortium and entered also his budget
data.
So, many many thanks Elena, for reminding me of the procedure!
Now, the only thing missing is the reply from the people of FP7 about
the availability of the cost columns "Other" and "Coordination". But
otherwise we are ready!
Then, thanks a lot Ah-LIan for the data update of Leeds Met partners.
I entered the data and so we are up to date.
And then of course I guess Milan is absolutely right. So I keep an eye
for possibilities for getting some additional "sympathy points".
Thanks a lot for the help in advance Milan! Oh, and just wait a little
bit, as Split is going to stay there for quite some time! ;-) (I.e.,
the very important project! ;-))
Last but not least, is there anybody for a skype conference this
Friday at 10:00 MET?
Cheers and thanks once more!
Nick
Grimshaw, Mark
Sorry Nick,
Not available for skype this Frdiay.
Mark
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Elena Zamsa
Unfortunately i am also not available, but i will try to attend.
I am glad that you get the PIC!
Also Nick, about the budget, for IDSI we'll use your version, i
remembered about changes we made.
Warm regards,
Elena
Alejandro Varas
Sorry for hearing such news! Health problems are hard to bear, but I hope everything will be OK, my best wishes for you two!
Going into business. In FP7-ICT-FET-C you can only have this kind of activities (from guide for proposers):
● Research and technological development activities, reflecting the core activities of the project, aimed
at a significant advance beyond the established state-of-the-art, including scientific coordination and/
or
● Demonstration activities, designed to prove the viability of new technologies that offer a potential
economic advantage, but which cannot be commercialised directly (e.g. testing of product-like prototypes)
and
● Management activities, over and above the technical management of individual work packages, linking
together all the project components and maintaining communications with the Commission.
● STREPs in the ICT Theme do not include a cost category “Other”.
● Dissemination activities (normally foreseen in a STREP project) may be classified under “Management”.
● Activities such as IPR protection or the preparation of an exploitation plan may be classified under
“Management”.
● Activities such as training, coordination or the commercial exploitation of results should not be included
in a STREP project
It is impossible to include Coordination or Other activities. See that Management is not technical one.
About Budget, now the requested contribution is 4.143.600€ (see A3_2), the maximum contribution that the Work Programm says is 4 M€, and we are also at the limit of maximum size with 15 participants. Maybe it may be good for the project to remove some partners that have been "lost" since long time!
This Friday it is impossible for me, I have to prepare some amendment letters for a CIP project we are suffering problems with and I have very little time! Sorry!
Bets regards,
Alejandro Varas Gálvez
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Nick, I too hope that things go well for your girl friend. It must be very hard for both of you.
Elizabeth
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It is up to you Nick, but I would give a deadline of some days, because you have already been trying to contact again with everybody since 2 weeks ago!
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Asunto: RE: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Newsletter 21
kickniko
The reply from the FP7 came today, concerning my question about
"Other" and "Coordination" costs. (I will forward the email to all of
you.) It is as simple as that and as Alejandro pointed out: For FET
Open there is no "Other" and no "Coordination" costs. I suspected that
the behavior of the EPSS input forms was absolutely right, but better
check now than get problems later. So, especially for you Oleksander,
we cannot use the "Other" costs. It has to be either RTD or
Demonstration or Management. You decide about these three kinds of
costs.
Now on to the second point about deleting those who are "lost" since a
long time. I think that the best to do is to "ping" everybody
personally and to delete all partners who do not reply until, say next
Monday. BTW, Alejandro I receive also emails from the other partners
too, so there are more than 8 out of 15 who are still interested. The
only partner who do not seem to respond since a long time is Roberto
García González from Universitat de Lleida and on a second place also
Manuele Manente.
And so it boils down to:
1) Ping everybody and wait for an answer.
2) Delete all partners that do not have any interest anymore.
3) If necessary even after deletion, correct the budgets so that we do
not exceed 4 Millions.
So, I start sending the pinging emails in some minutes from now.
Thanks a lot to everybody for the help on our subjects, and thanks a
lot for your encouragement too!
Cheers,
Nick
kickniko
and thank you every much for your answers to my ping message!
The only one who did not reply was Brandon from the university of
Leeds, so unfortunately I had to delete the university of Leeds from
the consortium. It was not easy at all for me but...
Anyway, after this deletion the contribution of the EU for our project
is 3870975 Euro, which is within the max of 4000000. The number of
partners is 14.
If necessary I can still make changes until the next intermediary dead
line. (Actually not a dead line for the FET Open itself, but rather
some kind of milestone for the inspections of the proposals.)
Now wish us all good luck!
Thanks once more for all your patience and dedication, and also for
your wishes and the encouraging words in the last weeks.
Cheers,
Nick
P.S.: Anybody for a conference this week?
milan
More or less I'll be free for the conference, you confirm exact time.
Cheers!
Milan
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Great news Nick. Thank you for all hard work. Wish us all the best!