Newsletter 19
kickniko
At last I write again to the group! You must have been thinking that I
was lost - excuse please my long absence! It was quite a turbulent
time in which nothing could be taken for "sure". I have to admit that
I often wondered, what am I supposed to do next, if I don't even know,
where I will be next.
But first of all, let me welcome Alejandro here! Alejandro, thanks a
lot for the data you sent us! I will replace Nena's data with yours
and upload the new table of participants in some minutes from now. I
also added you as a member of this group. Tell me if you receive
emails and notifications please.
Also, thanks a lot for all the interest about my new job - actually I
still don't know if I will be leaving the company since the guys are
so nice that they adviced me to simply propose what I would be rather
wishing to do, even if it sounds "completely impossible". Now, this
was exactly my personal problem, since it is quite easy to leave a
company that only dictates, but what do you do when the company
consists of friends? I had to isolate myself from all possible
influences in order to see if IT is thinkable at all for me - the
conventional IT goes a way that I don't like at all. So, I had to
decide if I can somehow arrange myself in some "special corner", or
leave it be. It turns out that it could really be arranged - so let's
see. Anyway, in case I will stay in DiSo it will be only for 3 days a
week, so that I can take care of out project much better than I did in
the last months. Well... less salary but sometimes one has to go for
that too.
This of course still leaves the question open, about what we should
do, in case I would go for something else. But if it comes that way, I
will still have to stay in my current job until the end of January,
which I assume is enough time for us to re-formulate and resubmit our
proposal. So at least we have something solid until the end of
January. BTW, until January I really don't plan to be just running
around for nothing like I did the months before - enough is
enough. ;-)
Now, considering the re-submission, I (at last) communicated directly
with the EPSS, and the news are not as good but also not as bad. First
of all, we can do nothing else than go all the way from the beginning,
make a new EPSS place, re-type the budgets etc. etc. Quite a waste of
time, if you ask me, for just a re-formulation of the proposal, but OK
- this has to be. So I am opening a new EPSS place, and I will inform
you when we have the user accounts and the passwords. But the good
thing is, as Park said so often, that FET-Open doesn't actually have
any "time limits". The date that is given as "last date of proposal
submission" is only out of "legal reasons" - i.e., they have to have
one. But even in case we delay the submission that much, as soon as
the one "end" comes, so comes also the "start" of the next FET-Open
call.
Next thing to say is, what about our own server? As I see it, we will
have to do that sooner or later, even if it is only for practical
reasons. (Google will not support file uploads very soon.) Is there
anything new in this matter? I already started a model for our
purposes and it seems quite feasible. Only the file uploads and
management give me some headaches.
About Elena's suggestion for taking a consultancy company as
coordinator into consideration, I think that it will be a question of
knowledge as well. Still all options have to be checked seriously,
but I have to say right now, I am not sure that any typical
consultancy has the scientific knowledge necessary for such a task.
You see, it is not about simply software development here but rather
about the necessary thinking about methodology in itself. Which
doesn't mean at all that a consultancy couldn't take over - it is
simply that it would rather lead it to something else than what we aim
to do with this proposal. Anyway, I am still here and the chances are
good that I will be able to stay in the same company, which would also
eliminate organizational problems. So let's re-start once more
thinking about the proposal and its content in the sense of critiques
that we received.
I will be back with you tomorrow, with the new draft of our proposal.
(As long as we can upload files...)
Cheers to all!
Nick
P.S. BTW, wouldn't be also time for a new conference?
Grimshaw, Mark
Glad to hear you're back in the saddle. I think we're all keen on re-submitting and another conference on skype would be a good idea.
Mark
Elena Zamsa
I was very happy by reading this e-mail! Welcome back and let's work! It
is not a problem to do again the EPSS ;)
Warm regards and waiting for instructions what to help with!
Elena
Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
and are glad that the group is still enthusiastic.
Regarding outside help with coordination. I would be happy for this for =
the admin side, but not for the academic side of things. There is a lot =
of admin with EU projects.
Elizabeth
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Kor, Ah-Lian
The consortium looks promising and of course, we have enjoyed others and
Nick's enthusiasm.
Let's keep the candle burning.
Ah Lian
Ken Currie
Just to reaffirm our interest here at CAPDM. I don't like giving up once a
head of steam has been achieved.
Ken
kickniko
So we keep on trying for the project.
I am about to finish the re-formulation of the short proposal. As soon
as this happens I am going to upload it for everybody to check it out
and see if it needs further refinement.
BTW, could we use an additional document with more details about the
proposal along with the short proposal itself? In out EPSS place I saw
that we could upload also additional documents, but I didn't exactly
understand if it was meant also for the purpose of adding details
about the project. It would somehow contradict the sense of the strict
constraints considering its maximum allowed length, wouldn't it?
Anyway, I will try to get this information too, and keep you informed.
Ciao,
Nick
alx...@gmail.com
It is nice to find so enthusiastic people!!! Here in CITIC we are very
interested in continuing the work already done, so we won't be very
disappointed for a new EPSS, if it is mandatory ;)
Nick, I think we can use a tool we develop in CITIC that could be
adapted, it was designed to share information among the personnel of
CITIC, so it allows to upload documents. The problem is that I don't
know how much time it will take to make a new instance in our servers.
I will ask and come to you again, I hope I can confirm this data along
this morning
Today the person who will replace Nina has arrived, ASAP she will join
us.
Alejandro
milan
after a great week in Warsaw I am back in office and glad to see our
consortium is having refreshed communication!
Cheers to Alejandro...welcome! I hope you'll like working with us :)
If that is what we must do than let's do it - for EPSS :) I'll try to
contribute as much as I can in new proposal.
For the server - Nick, I don't know if you received my emails with that
question (obviously not :) I wasn't sure what to do about our server as we
haven't heard you. So, now that we are sure what our next step is, my
question would be: semacomp.com, semacomp.org, semacomp.net or something
else? Let's vote or that! I am for first solution.
Also, are there some other server needs?. I am for PHP/MySQL solution (as
we'll need it in further development).
So as soon as we agree on domain name, I can do the rest to prepare semacomp
virtual place :)
And yes, it's definitely time for a new skype conference. How about this
Friday at 10?
Cheers,
Milan
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From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
[mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kickniko
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:46 PM
To: FP7 semantics consortium
Subject: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Newsletter 19
alx...@gmail.com
I can confirm that the tool I mentioned can be used by the consortium
without any problem, it will run in the servers of CITIC and will be
available online through the browser, there is a version in English so
everyone could use it. The new instance could be created this week,
even tomorrow, but in order to give to you an exact date it will be
necessary that the consortium confirms the interest in using it.
With this tool everyone will be able to share any kind of information,
webpage, document or whatever, and it will be private, each user will
have an own user & password. And everything will be stored safe in the
servers of CITIC. Afterwards, all the material uploaded there can be
commented and even evaluated by all the users. It uses tags to
classify the information, so searches are simple and fast.
There is a brochure about it available in our webpage:
http://www.citic.es/images/corporativo/folletos/folleto_ideon.pdf
I will wait for your opinions!
Alejandro
milan
I can see no reason for not using your solution if it covers all options
that will be used in our communication. Can we see it somewhere as demo
version or have some screenshots?
My question would be if there are some EC reasons for not using some already
developed software? In the other words, is it maybe "smarter" to develop
some Semacomp app which will be our management tool - will it give us some
more points or some more "serious" look?
Also, is it possible to host a domain on CITIC servers? So that those can be
our new home for our idea :)
What do others think about it?
Cheers,
Milan
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[mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Agata Filipowska
as far as I know EC is not willing to pay for anything that exists already (especially if there is no research connected). So it is better to reuse and develop only original methods/software/...
So, what is the plan for resubmission?
Cheers,
Agata
--
Department of Information Systems
Poznan University of Economics
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From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com [mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of milan
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:56 PM
To: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com
alx...@gmail.com
About using our tool or not, you can see a demonstrative video of it
on youtube, it is subtitled in english, Ideón: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UDmkHfULBI
We sell licenses of Ideón, but in this case the consortium can use it
during the elaboration of the proposal for free, so don't worry about
economic reasons :) In my opinion, it can make easier the work of the
consortium, and it is faster than building a completely new webpage.
I'll wait for the opinion of the consortium.
Regards,
Alejandro
On 2 nov, 15:59, "Agata Filipowska" <a.filipow...@kie.ue.poznan.pl>
wrote:
milan
are there any news about our proposal?
Nick, what's your situation? What about conference...
so many questions :)
cheers,
Milan
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[mailto:fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kickniko
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 5:54 PM
To: FP7 semantics consortium
Subject: [fp7-semantics-consortium] Re: Newsletter 19
kickniko
Well, a conference would be possible for me on next Thursday. Anybody
else?
As about using Ideon (thanks a lot Alejandro), it will depend on the
hardware it can run on, and of course also on how steep its learning
curve is.
Alejandro, can you tell us some of the main features in this sense.
How easy is it for somebody with no prior knowledge of the tool is to
start developing such a site, as we need it? (And I think that we
don't need as much "luxury" but simply the "ordinary" functions, like
communication, file upload/download, a bit of administration
possibilities, and... that's all, I guess???
BTW, is there any version for the Mac too? :-D
Nick
alx...@gmail.com
@Nick IdeON works through the browser, but I really don't know if it
was made to support the browser of Mac (Safari?), but some colleagues
can use it with their personal Mac. It is very easy to use, so I think
the learning curve won't be a problem, there are two categories Ideas
and Sources (or the name you want to) separated by tabs, the
difference is that sources come from a website (so an addres has to be
provided) and Ideas come from users. Any of them can be commented and
documents can be attached, as much as you want, and this might be
interesting for the control of version (if they are named correctly).
Both types of content can be tagged, so it is easier to make searchers
by themes.
We have a version available for demonstration (unluckily it is only in
Spanish, but we have it also in English, but it can't be accessed from
outside right now): http://medioambiente.citic.es/
If you want to take a look, go ahead: User: user / Password: usercitic
It is simple to use and can be very useful for the consortium to share
docs and comment them to propose changes. I'll wait for your feedback!
Alejandro
Grimshaw, Mark
Mark
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From: fp7-semantic...@googlegroups.com on behalf of kickniko
Ken Currie
CAPDM will be at Online Educa next week, in Berlin, if anyone is thinking of going. If things are quiet I will try to join in on Thursday. Post the time.
Ken
Elena Zamsa
I am available in the second part of the day for a conference on 2nd of December.
Warmr egards,
Elena
Alejandro Varas
For CITIC it is ok 2nd December, me or my colleague Vanessa will be available
Guest, Elizabeth (INN)
I can make the second part of the day too.
Elizabeth
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