Microsoft planning to spreading around nepal through colleges

[connectask (सागर क्षेत्री)]

Right now i am in One day national seminar "E-Governance: An Approach
to Solve Unemployment Problem In ICT Sector & Review of ICT Education
in Nepal"
I was able to hear from Allen Tuladhar. He said some of the ideas they
are planning to do
a. Toaster Concept for Windows Softwares
b. College & University level Events
c. Student Internship and Linkage with Enterprise with Windows
Products
d. Student representatives and activities locally
e. Availability of Every kind of software freely

Fund bhannai parena kasle dincha bhanera ..

bla bla bla

? Aba FOSS ko ke plan
hunecha ..............................................

[Sunil Shrestha]

I also attend this seminar.
In this seminar also microsoft tell we are giving software free to all
students, ........
They are also planning touch screen system for software distrubution........

FOSSian

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[fr3ak]

LOL, Fossians. You are late regarding. I and couple of my friends have
been blogging regarding this issue.

The prevailing problem is even bigger. I think they are even bribing
the departments of colleges for supporting and promoting M$ products.

Regards
Arun Poudel (aka fr3ak)

On Feb 2, 7:02 pm, Sunil Shrestha <tosunil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I also attend this seminar.
> In this seminar also microsoft tell we are giving software free to all
> students, ........
> They are also planning touch screen system for software distrubution........
>
> FOSSian
>

> 2010/2/2 connectask (सागर क्षेत्री) <connect...@gmail.com>:

[Abhudaya Sagar]

yes i think so.
College ani university ma pani yo kura bhai ra ko huna sakcha.
I guarantee u that hamro college ma ta jyan gaye ni halna dinna but we
know how to deal with them.
This is the fight of freedom.

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[Arun Poudel]

Which college r u in?

The same is happening in mine to.. If we study in the same college maybe we can prevent the prevailing situation.

And hit them where it matters.

[Abhudaya Sagar]

OCEM (Oxford College of Engineering and Management) Gaindakot
We had a good team over there and working hard to promote foss.
Euta jokes pani dainik bhai rakcha.
Administration loves to format its pc daily and keep xp stuff over
there. We just laugh at the system administrator for not switching to
foss. Bhanekai mandaina and col admin le j bhancha tehi garnu paryo re
(money/salary ko kura paryo ni)

[Arun Poudel]

Testai ho broda. We suggested department to use LTSP on the internet lab but they won't listen to us as they are all corrupt. (Kantipur Engineering College) The department head is changing let's hope the situation changes too.

[Abhudaya Sagar]

we could ever go politically too. paryo bhane dhunga muda pani
garincha. but testo naubat aako chaina.
I am thining of converting local parties to foss. esp communist one.
teso gare kaso hola and even student council.

On 2/2/10, Arun Poudel <freaki...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Bipin Gautam]

hahaha Abhudaya! you are funny and so true. Technical politics should
exist. Its logical to put forward regular hostility to combat
Microsoft's irregular hostility! Technical politics garnu paryo.......

Maybe, sab college ko comp. dept head haru lai few days free FOSS
seminar ma bolauni paryo, including the staff who maintains college
LAB -- paila?

[Abhudaya Sagar]

politically pressure pani dina sakincha bhaneko college harulai jasle terpuchhar lagaoodaina ani andho banera m$ ko pachi lagchan. That is not funny enough.
As well i have a qns how many of the political party does have the knowledge of FOSS and how many of the student unions member know about this.
Yeslai pani issue banoona sakincha as youth are just used for to throw stones by budaharu ko politics.
I will try and do it. fial of pass i will see it later on.

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[Bipin Gautam]

Stones! ?

A catapult will make a good projectile. Aim for their "glasses?" and
break their "windows to the world" and SEE if it makes a difference
there, for ever? :P ;)

-bipin

[Bipin Gautam]

Latter the year, windows promoters returning to HQ may look like
"official pirates" [1] if they dont seem to have enough reasons to
stay away from your college?

But, if one has to play "the politics", lets remember, a lots of
"warning shots" first. Dont miss the target -- ie: off target only! ;)

[1] http://boortz.com/images/coco_pirate.jpg

[Abhudaya Sagar]

will make difference but stones ko thau ma foss ko knowledge hunu paryo. FOSS is the stone to break the window$.

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[Bipin Gautam]

+1

Just make sure we control the crowd that often get uncontrolled! ;)

-bipin

[Pawan Chitrakar]

well said...........ASK window$ to break it.. haha...

[Abhudaya Sagar]

preparing for oxford rocks 2010 foss ko stall pani cha

On 2/3/10, Pawan Chitrakar <pchit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> well said...........ASK window$ to break it.. haha...
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Abhudaya Sagar <conne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> will make difference but stones ko thau ma foss ko knowledge hunu paryo.
>> FOSS is the stone to break the window$.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Bipin Gautam
>> <bipin....@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Stones! ?
>>>
>>> A catapult will make a good projectile. Aim for their "glasses?" and
>>> break their "windows to the world" and SEE if it makes a difference
>>> there, for ever? :P ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> -bipin
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[Prabin jha]

ya i also attained that seminar, and i heard that they are planning
for some things like Toaster in order to promote Microsoft so we have
to be conscious and make some different idea so that it makes people
more interest on open source

On Feb 1, 11:44 pm, connectask (सागर क्षेत्री) <connect...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[prabin gautam]

So something similar to Freedom Toaster.
At least they got inspired by FT. I think more than us Mr. M$ knew its potential.
Why not every college open source community make FT rapidly in their college before they hit the college. And even in any convenient place if possible.



 

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[Sunil Shrestha]

we are making in  our college.
Kantipur city college

[Sagar]

Money ko kura aucha and hamro college ma chai dhunga nahani chai hundaina yo kuralai.
student ko lagi paisa chuhaoona garo mancha yar. but will try our best.

[Bipin Gautam]

"Hitting" college is one thing, how do you plan to get the END USER
move to linux?

-bipin

[Sagar]

Students are the generations; so students lai target garnu parcha.

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[_khAttAm_]

something like toaster huh?
are these people trying to violate M$ TOS themselves? :D Or are they
trying to create new rules for Nepal? That will be intersting...

anyways, it won't make a difference, IMHO. They can try whatever they
like. They won't be able to get us use their software. Also, I don't
think we can make shitheads use FOSS. They will always go for pirated
shit, if they stop getting the same for free (free of cost).

I simply am quitting from trying to make others use FOSS and use it
myself only.

And about targetting students, whatever man. How do you deal with
students who want to use Symantec Antivirus and Tune up utilities on
Linux? They want to use those software and they say they will use
Linux if those software run on Linux. :D

and BTW sagar, your website sagarkshetri.com.np says:
"The HTML comments in this page contain the configurationinformation
that allows users to edit pages in your web using the Microsoft Web
Publishing Wizard or programs which use the Microsoft Web Publishing
Wizard such as FrontPad using the same username and password they
would use if they were authoring with Microsoft FrontPage. Please
refer to the Microsoft's Internet SDK for more information on the Web
Publishing Wizard APIs."
Thats awesome. You want to change people to use FOSS like this?
Great!!

Am drunk. Will rectify my rudeness when I'm fresh.

Chill guyz

Regards
_khAttAm_

[Arun Poudel]

I agree with your phrase "Students are the generations"

But I have a question how many IT related students are there in Nepal as they are just targeting IT students..

And considering only IT related students, we are say that we should focus on normal users.

Agree wid khattam (ie I'm drunk too :D)

Regards
fr3ak

[Sagar]

about my website its your interpretation. Jasari bujda pani huncha.
Nepal ko IT students haru thorai bhayepani they are the keypoint for technology. Jabasamma tiniharule accept gardaina ki foss is the good tool we can't never go beyond them i.e. end user (jaslai bujhaoona garo cha).
Simple end user ko kura garau: What we get in ratnanagar mahotsav.
i was tired of councelling a lady whom was pidith of virus. I suggest her to use foss tools and completly wipe off the window$ system for free and be safe from virus - the full proof solution. When all the talk was over she said: computer ma bhako virus ta yesle phalna sakdaina hai - we said no. it is a complete new system to be adopted. teso bhaye yo ke kaam.
ek chin ta godam chai bhako thiyo tyo tux suite bata niskera.
Yo kura NAST, HLCIT, ra Anya high profile group ma pani lagu huncha hola as we are lobbying them time and again in every meet and they praise our work and ofcourse foss tools.
Yo taste ta FOSS Nepal ko sathi haru le chakhi saknu bhako hola ni hoina ra.
Now the descesion is yours.

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[Arun Poudel]

Broda le dherai ramro kura garnu hunchha.. Tehi pani malai kina chitta bhujdaina huh?

Khas ma k ho bhaney ni broda, 100 jana ma 10 jana le dudh seto chha ra 90 jana le dudh kalo chha bhanyo bhaney ni tyo 10 jana lai nai abnormal bhanchan besides the fact that the milk is white.

Hami thorai IT students le Linux ramro chha bhanyo bhaney.. ................. Link wid the above analogy. :D

Ani rahayo kura... Buda budi haru lai samjhauney that is impossible.. Till now I haven't been able to conviend my thulo baba that there aren't just two kinda processors in this world (Pentium II and Pentium III).. Man its too hard to convience old people.

The best way I can see is to consider the phrase, "Children are the future of mankind" and convience them to use Linux.. We should think of something like a sustainable plan and march forward (as M$ is planning in Nepal)..

Regards
fr3ak

[Sagar]

Yup I agree with the statement. But end user bhanne bittikai Mango People lai samjhane ho bhane i don't thing that we could go quite good. But IT Students ani Management ko student harulai FOSS ma ramrari include garne ho bhane it is quite possible to change the situation. Ahile computer ra padeka bhujheka guys ko sanskar chali ra cha k. so Buda purana le pani computer kinna paryo bhane ek hool chineko expert (lato desh ko gado tanneri) harulai liyera jancha. If the tennari are well known abt foss then they will suggest for foss. Ke kaso.
Hatiyar bhanekai Youth ra Students hun. Ra ahile lai IT students esp ani Management ko student lai geek ra paune geek banoonu jaroori cha.

Regards
fr3ak

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[Sagar]

Welcome Micro$oft to our college. This is for you to learn.
I think that M$ student representatives regularly visit this google group, and i heard that m$ is porting a student representative here so this banner is the answer for that.
As well foss-nepal ko website ma yo event ko barema rakhidinu bhayema ma abhari hunethiye.
And the good news is event ma more than 30 colleges form chitwan, nawalparasi and butawal ko participation hunewala cha. cool k.

[gandip rai]

I think this discussion is trolled. First the Workshop was for
"Innovative Government for the Future” not for Microsoft. Microsoft
only took the honor of hosting the Program. Moreover if you were
through out the session then i would like to remind you that Peter
Williams even talked about Interoperability. The purpose of workshop
was to ensure better functioning of Government. To make Government
service availale through ICT. To make innovation happen in public
sector. If you were there then i think you must have figured out from
the livingly examples of future over.

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[Arun Poudel]

@Sagar

You are right about M$ representative constantly monitoring the FOSS Group.

The person above who call himself Darkeye (aka Gandeep Rai) is actually Gandeep Khaling Rai an employee at M$ Nepal.

His insanely words of support towards M$ disclosed his identity. :D

Regards
fr3ak

[Sagar]

Darkeye ji dark ma nabasam; I also support Microsoft not M$ concept.
Maile revolution OS heri sake pachi ta mero dridata pakka bho foss
tarpha. But innovation ko lagi microsoft le kaam garcha bane hami pani
saath dinchau. Tara hosiyar; yesto example nahos.
Lakhau bata jasari tasari bhayepani collect garne fund; generation
aafno under banoona khojne; monopoly garne and last ma 50 rs sahayog
garne (as a sympathy & balchi for next gen).
Yeso b4 garnus ta M$ ma mero kura port garera.
Natra M$ le aafno product purai Open Source Garos na ta Nepal ko lagi
bhanera kina liscence matra ni (la tyo garo paryo re) nepali janta ko
purano pc ra ahile aako naya pc ma bina sarta life time liscence diyos
ta.
Open source le dincha. Its a challange.

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[Dark Eye]

I do agree on that fact Sagar but the anti Dumping does not permit that. If you are talking about open source then there is platform for opensource in Microsoft. Visit Codeplex.com . There is thumb rule you know Nothing comes free in world. If you are searching for Guarantee for Microsoft Policy then tell me how can you guarantee that the Linux Distro willl not go for paid model. Think about Red Hat System. They offer free version of OS in one hand another other hand they built Strong Commercial version of same OS.
:D

[Dark Eye]

@Arun:
Just forgot to address. What do you think I am here to monitor FOSS. Forget it man I have nothing to in Business. I have my own camp as your. You cannot Claim on the simple fact that I addressed some post. I do have my personal freedom buddy.
Cheers,

[_khAttAm_]

Dear Gandip Rai,

The same old problem of understanding the term "free". Huna ta yaha
lai vanera kei hunchha jasto ta lagdaina. Your words say it already
"It is my duty to defend Micro$oft". Tara pani mention gari halnu vo,
aaja yaha lai free ko definition vandim hai ta. Jaba hami "free"
vanchham ni, hami "Freedom" ko free vanchhum, "colgate ma burush free"
ko free haina. Yaha 2nd khale free matra bujhnu hunchha. Ani sunnus
yaha (M$ ka lagi kaam garne manusya) haru Nepal ma tei 1st khale
Freedom ko birodhi hununchha. Yaha ko portal ko general section ka
kati paye threads haru kina delete gariye vane, tyaha yahaharule galat
kuro lekhnu vo, ani lastama kei vanna nasakera delete garidinu vo.
Teti matra navayera, yaha haru le discussion garna pani dinu vayena.
Yo kura maile yaha lekheko chhu: http://www.msdnnepal.com/2009/12/microoft-opensource-and-mdnnepal-com/
Ani, maile arko euta poster lai Windows 7 ko pricing ko barema vanda,
yaha le tyo post thappakka delete garidinu vo. :)
Sunnus Khaling Ji, yaha M$ ma lagnu vayepachhi, testo taal ta
dekhaunai paryo. M$ le duniya vari gari raheko incompetitive harkat
kai karan le msdnnepal.com exist garchha. Yaha ko incompetitive harkat
ko karanle kei farak pardaina, tara M$ ko karan le chai dherai farak
parchha. Ek ta hamro saano desh lai sabai le kabja garya chhan, aba
yesko IT sector lai pani euta bideshi company le yaha jasta manchhe
lai paiso dera, ra gifts pathara kabja garne bho.
Free Software paisa ko barema haina saathi, ani tyo source wa aru
ganthan ko barema pani haina. Tyo M$ wa Adobe lai hate garne bisayema
pani haina. Free Software, sabai le software nirdhkka chalauna paun
vanne barema ho.
Yedi Ubuntu le voli dekhi afno OS ko daam 1 crore rakhyo ra aru sabai
linux distro haru banda vayo vane pani kei farak parne wala chhaina.
Voli hami nepal ko sab jana milera aathana uthayera (tax bata utheko
paisa hau, kata sachai athana uthaune sochirako? :) ) tyo Ubuntu ko
euta version kinamla, ani source pani magamla, ani tesko branding ra
non-free software (if any) hatayera naya distro banamla. Ho, yesto
garna milne vako le teslai Free software vaniyeko ho. Bujhnu vo aba
paid model ma gaye pani kei hune wala chhaina vanera?

Ani yo ta delete pani garnu vayena:
http://technetnepal.net/forums/t/488.aspx
Padhnu vayena ki kya ho?
Tyaha pani maile freedom ko barema vaneko thiye ni:
---------quote from http://technetnepal.net/forums/t/488.aspx
start-----------
Aha the divine word. "Freedom". Well how do you interpret Freedom? I
understand that Freedom implies the Freedom to not be free. Likewise,
Freedom of speech also grants you the Freedom to not-speak. You are
free to go into a dark room and stay in there forever. However, if you
force other people to do the same, then you are not respecting their
Freedom. What do you say about M$ Access, M$ QBasic, M$ Office taught
to kids at school (have you heard that M$ and its frens here in Nepal
have been helping in Education? Do you see the connection?)? What
about FOSSNepal not being given a stall at CAN Infotech? I hope you
saw M$ was a sponsor at CAN. Do you see the connection?
One way of playing around with your Freedom is mis-information and
hiding information. How do you interpret "someone" diverting the
conversation when somebody talks about anything other than M$? Well,
if you think that you have freedom of speech and if you DARE using it,
go and ask "whom it may concern" the following set of questions, when
you go for your next meeting:
"What is wrong with OpenSource?"
"If OpenSource is wrong, why is Microsoft using it (codeplex,
microsoft.com/opensource)?"
"If OpenSource is right, why aren't we encouraged to use it?"

"What is wrong with Free Software (Not Free M$ Serial Keys. I'm
talking about Swatantra Software here)? "
If you get an answer such as because "the software aren't good enough
or don't look good enough", then ask him/her "What is the purpose of a
Developer's Community then?"
Please also suggest that instead of ADVERTISING other's softwares and
making them richer using OUR money, why don't we start developing our
own.. our own software, which we can call our own, and give it to
people for whatever price we want or even give to the community for
Free? Easier and better we can use already available Free Softwares
and develop and improve them or develop required softwares on top of
them.
---------quote from http://technetnepal.net/forums/t/488.aspx
end-----------

LOL, come back and post. No one will delete your post here. :D

Lets discuss. We can get a lot from discussions. I've always been a
fan of this:
"Mankind's greatest achievements have come about by talking, and its
greatest failures by not talking....All we need to do is make sure we
keep talking. "- Stephen W. Hawkings
Lets keep talking, lets keep rocking.

Regards
_khAttAm_ (aka ubuntubay, Pravin Dahal G)

[_khAttAm_]

@Sagar Ji,
Nepal Govt ko officer hunus, IT wa testai sector tira.. ani M$ lai
nimna khale email pathaunus:
"Hami Nepal Govt. ma M$ ko software use garna khojdei chham, hami lai
timaru mathi pattakai biswas lagdaina.. timaru k k spyware halera
software dinchau re.. hamro ta Govt. use ko lagi ho, source deu hai..
ani hami source herera Nepal govt. le use garna think chha ki chhaina
vanera decide garchham.. La ta Balmer Taklu, goodbye..
P.S. Taklu vanya pyaro kya, narisau na.. "
Teso gare Dinchha re (seriously.. testo bela ma contract garera
dinchha, limited time ko lagi ho kyara).

Source le kei hudaina sathi.. Source ko pachhadi nadaudinus. Source ta
already illegal roop ma aai sakya hola.. Win 2000 ko chai leak vako
vanne suneko thiye.. Garnu k telle chai? Tei tinarle spyware use garya
chha ki chhaina, aru kei law violate garya chha ki chhaina vanne thaha
hola re la.. tyo thaha vaye pani case halna mildaina, kina vane
illegal kaam (source download garne) aafule start garya hunchha...
Source mai interest chha vane, Win NT binary compatible ReactOS vanne
OS Free Software ho, moj garnus.

Pachhi M$ le ek ek akchhyer patent garera dyamma source dekhaidela ra
jilla parnu hola vanera matra vandeko. Source le kei hudaina, jasari
pani use garna paunu, modify re-distribute garna paunu jasta kura po
freedom ho.

Kuro _khAttAm_ :D

[Sagar]

maile pani source open bhannale freedom bhaneko ho. Teti ta bujham na.
Jhukkiyera pani ma gov ko testo nitigat tau ma puge ra maile descide
garna milne bhayo bhane na attinus foss nai implement huncha naki M$
le opensource gardela ra modify or chk garera chalamla bhanne soch nai
aaunecha. but Balmer sanga ko deal ko concept ko lagi good laugh. ha
ha ha

dark ji lai dinu bhako answer babal chitta bujhyo. dark ji tapai lai
thap qns. M$ le world ko IT ko thekka liyeko cha kya ho. Nepal ko IT
innovation ra gov ko IT samrachana M$ le maatra garna sakcha bhanne
lage ko cha jasto cha. Mai lau; mai khau; mai garu bhanne bhawana
chodnu paryo. Milera garau na yedi tapai le support garnu bhaye ko
mahasaye (Mr. X - Naam ali garo cha k) at russian cultural center;
innovation ra gov lai IT ko kura sikayera aagadi badne ho bane "Hami"
FOSSNepal ra M$ co-operate garera agadi badna sakinthyo hola. Sponsor
garyo bhandai ma saablai pakha lagaidine. Russian culture center ma
pani FOSS ko sathi haruko 15 min ko presentation ko lagi thau dina
sakinthyo hola. CAN ma euta stall dina sakinthyo hola. La sahakarya
garna saknu huncha hami sanga (Joke bhane ki kya ho maile - foss ka
sathi haru na hasam hai).

Ek patak sochnus. sochnus. sochunus.

Yesto kura M$ ko niti mai pardaina hola. Tapai teskai niti ma hidne.
so default tapai ko niti ma pani pardaina.

La yo challange bho tapai harulai "sangai kaam garna saknu huncha hami sanga".

blue screen ta aako chaina ni. chaina bhane feri sochnus.

[Sagar]

yeh euta kura; mero sahakarya ko prastab; M$ le ramro innovative kaam
garecha bhanlan saab nepali student ley as supporting the freedom.
Could M$ at Nepal co-exist the FOSS software & distros in the CD
Dispenser (Hamro Bhasama Freedom Toaster) which M$ is planning to
setup at every college of Nepal ? Think until blue screen.

[_khAttAm_]

@Sagar
Tiniharu sahayog garna, Nepal lai maathi puryauna aako haina saathi.
Tiniharu ta "aba Nepal ma stability aauchha, ani Tech sector bikash
hunchha, yei ho mauka, aile dekhi nai jakadera rakhna paye ta pachhi
Nepali dhani vaye vane ta aile ko marketing ko paiso uthera pani
thupro samaye samma tanna lutna painchha" vanera aaka. Aba tiniharu
hami (timarko software use garne/garaune ka birodhi) sangai sahakarya
garlan ta? Gare vane pani tini haru le aafule nasakne dekhiyepachhi
matra popularity pauna wa feri arkei tarika le try garna ko lagi garna
sakchhan. Testo garnu ko matlab tiniharu aru tarikale basi rahana
khojeka hun. Testo prastab lai thadei aswikar garnu parchha.

Mero bichar.

On Feb 12, 5:43 pm, Sagar <connect...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeh euta kura; mero sahakarya ko prastab; M$ le ramro innovative kaam
> garecha bhanlan saab nepali student ley as supporting the freedom.
> Could M$ at Nepal co-exist the FOSS software & distros in the CD
> Dispenser (Hamro Bhasama Freedom Toaster) which M$ is planning to
> setup at every college of Nepal ? Think until blue screen.
>

> > email:conn...@sagarkshetri.com.np

>
> --
> Mr. Abhudaya Sagar Kshetri (ASK?)
> Url:www.sagarkshetri.com.np

> email:conn...@sagarkshetri.com.np