RE: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have such clause?????
Sajid Kamal Malick - Farasia
Amir reference to your below msg pls be advise that all rules and regulations are subject to law of the land and under the umbrellas of the Constitution of Pakistan 1973. Any rule regulating the chances of ordinary man to do business, and earn a living without posing a tonic accepted by all shall be taken as illegal.
Rgds
Sajid
From: Aamir Ali [mailto:aa...@seahawkgroup.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 16:47
To: Ch.Amjad (Paklink Shipping); ash...@csa.com.pk; SERVOTECH - KHI MR ALTAF; as...@seatrade-pak.com; Sami - Capital Shipping; qa...@icmpk.com; skma...@farasia.net; sy...@tcpl.com.pk; aa...@aventisintl.com
Subject: Fwd: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have such clause?????
DEAR MR. RIAZ,
THANKS FOR YOUR BELOW MAIL,
I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT AS PER THE CLAUSE 39(F) OF ARITICLES OF ASSOCIATION OF PIFFA
EC HAS MANDATE TO FRAME RULES AND REGULATIONS BUT IT IS ALSO MENTIONED IN THE SAME CLAUSE
THAT “ IN CONSONANCE WITH THE MEMORANDUM AND ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION “. ANOTHER CLAUSE
39(K) OF ATICLES OF ASSOCIATION OF PIFFA ALSO STATE “ TO ADOPT AND TAKE SUCH MEASURES NOT INCONSISTENT
WITH THE MEORANDUM AND ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION.
NOW THE QUESTION ARISE DOES THE REQUIREMENT OF INSURANCE IS IN CONSISTENT WITH THE ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION?
THE ANSWER IS YES AS THE CLAUSE 6 OF ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION OF PIFFA CLEARLY STATE THE PROCEDURE OF RENEWAL
OF MEMBERSHIP AND THEAR IS NO REQUIREMENT OF INSURANCE IN THAT CLAUSE. I ALSO REMEMBER THAT THERE WAS A CLEAR
ORDER OF DGTO WHICH NEVER REQUIRES THE INSURANCE POLICY AT THE TIME OF RENEWAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO BRING ONE MORE THING IN YOUR NOTICE THAT TO DO ANY MAJOR CHANGE IN ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION
IS NOT A MANDATE OF EC IT IS THE MANDATE OF THE SUPREME BODY OF ASSOCIATION THAT IS GENERAL BODY AND
ANY CHANGE COULD ONLY BE POSSIBILE BY THE MAJORITY IN ATTENDANCE OF TWO THIRD MEMBERSHIP.
THE MATTER OF FACT IS THE WORK OF ASSOCIATION IS TO FECILITATE THE MEMBERS NOT TO REGULATE THEM. EVERY POLICY
OF THE ASSOCIATION SHOULD BE INCLUSIVE NOT EXCLUSIVE.
YOU ARE REQUESTED TO PLEASE CONSIDER MY LAWFUL REQUEST.
WITH REGARDS,
AAMIR ALI
SEA HAWK SHIPPING LINE (PVT) LTD.
KARACHI., PAKISTAN.
From: PIFFA [mailto:pi...@piffapk.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:45 PM
To: aa...@seahawkgroup.net
Cc: m.nade...@raaziq.com.pk; muhamm...@excelfrt.com
Subject: RE: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have such clause?????
Dear Sir
The requirements that are articulated from time to time are in fact mandated by the EC.
The articles of association are in sync with this requirement wherein it requires the association to work to improve and better the status of its members, make them legally compliant and over see professional competence.
The Ordinance is a generic documents that pertains to the regulation of the affairs of the association and sets the minimum standards of compliance to rules of business. It does not bar or prohibit the development of the industry by lifting the entry levels to a levels of professional competence that will ensure that the industry and public interest is not damaged.
You are of course welcome to directly address the EC on the installation of such parameters.
Regards
Mohammad Riaz
Acting Secretary General
174-O, Block-2, P.E.C.H.S. Karachi-75400, Pakistan
Tel: +92 21 34322671-73 Fax: +92 21 34322670
Email: secr...@piffapk.com Web: www.piffapk.com
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From: Syed Aamir Ali <aa...@seahawkgroup.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:50:01 +0500
To: 'PIFFA' <pi...@piffapk.com>, "sha...@news-logistics.com" <sha...@news-logistics.com>
Cc: Muhammad Nadeem Khan <m.nade...@raaziq.com.pk>, "muhamm...@excelfrt.com" <muhamm...@excelfrt.com>, "qa...@icmpk.com" <qa...@icmpk.com>, 'Alamdar Hussain' <alamdar...@cslpak.com>, "jav...@smslog.net" <jav...@smslog.net>, "'AsadFarooqi -Sea Trade Int'l.'" <as...@seatrade-pak.com>, 'Faiz Mohy Ud Din Faizi' <m...@tnipk.com>, 'abu zakir' <a...@faizcargo.com>, "sha...@news-logistics.com" <sha...@news-logistics.com>, "'Ch. Amjad Ali Sahi'" <cha...@paklinkshipping.com>, "aq...@jaclogisticspk.com" <aq...@jaclogisticspk.com>, 'Dynamic Shipping Agencies Pvt Ltd' <tari...@dynamicshipping.com>
Subject: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have such clause?????
DEAR Habib Shb,
WE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING CIRCULAR FROM PIFFA FOR RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP. THE HIGHLIGHTED PART IN RED
IS BIT CONFUSSING. WHICH SAYS along with following mandatory documents enabling Association to keep your membership record updated.
1- Request for renewal on Company letterhead.
2- Copy of last membership certificate.
3- Proof of Income Tax Returns.
4- Copy of Form-29/Partnership Deed/Proprietorship in case of any change.
5- Revalidated Marine Umbrella Liability Insurance & E&O Cover.
THE QUESTIONS ARRISE
1) DO THEY NEED THESE DOCUMENTS TO UPDATE OUR RECORD IN PIFFA?
2) IS IT THE MANDATORY REQUIREMENT TO GET THE REVEWAL OF MEMBER SHIP?
IF IT IS ONLY THE MATTER OF UPDATING OUR RECORD IT SHOULD NOT BE MANDORY REQUIREMENT AT THE TIME OF RENEWAL.
IF IT IS MANDATORY REQUIREMT THEN THE QUESTION IS DO TRADE ORGANISATION ORDINANCE OR ARTICLE OF MEMORANDOM
OF PIFFA ALLOWS THEM TO ASK FOR REVALIDATED MARINE UMBRELLA LIABILTY INSURANCE & E&O COVER. I BELIEVE BOTH
ORDINANCE AND ARTICLES DO NOY HAVE SUCH CLAUSE. SO WHY PIFFA MAKE IT COMPLICATED.
Habib Shb please provide PIFFA Ordinance and Articles on this matter.
Waiting your reply,
Rgds,
Aamir
Sea Hawk Pakistan.
Sarfaraz Hussain
Ilyas [Express Lines]
Dear Mr nadeem,
Coming in to matter,
Suggest that PIFFA should take one or two Insurance companies to bargain for premium of insurance
Policy for all,,, this is the way PIFFA EC & PIFFA convenieyor of this committee assist members.
We did this at airfreight( Acaap) side by taking two companies United and continental insurance
To fix premium for members instead of an high charge to members,
We do understand a large number of PIFFA members are small entities and might not able to reach
Right company till we assist them..
If u agree I can ask both insurance companies covering Marine umbrella policy to contact secretary PIFFA on matter to fix various working required by agent/piffa member.
Please ack..
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Muhammad Ilyas |
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[ C.E.O ] |
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Xpress House, 1/ 2-P, |
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Block 6, P.E.C.H.S |
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Karachi, Pakistan |
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Tel: (92-21) 4302491-92-93 |
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Fax: (92-21) 4535147 |
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Mob: (92-321) 8234 161 |
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E-Mail:il...@express-lines.com.pk Skype: muhammad.ilyas.1 |
From: Muhammad Nadeem
Khan [mailto:m.nade...@raaziq.com.pk]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:30 PM
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Subject: FW: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have
such clause?????
Dear Alamdar Sb,,
Pls tell me how to assist the industry and I will be happy to help out.
Let me tell you my personal (not official take on this matter),
1) The membership prequalification's are to promote professionalism and at the
same time act in public and the members interest. It is both topical and
designed to protect members from litigation and make us equal to the best
practices in the world. We cannot close our eyes to this. This
explains the need for this development.
2) The way the requirements are drafted are both legal and not repugnant to
any provision in the MoA or to the model rules framed by the DTO. This
covers the legal angle. If members disagree, they have the right to refer
this to the DTO or any legal person for opinion.
3). As regards to the manner in which this has been agreed, is also
legal. The committee consists of members of the profession and EC. The meeting
was called with due NOTICE. The matter was agitated and the rules were agreed
unanimously. They were presented to the EC and approved unanimously.
4. there will always be people who agree and those who disagree, and we respect
the right of those who disagree.
MY point is how do we run this association ?? We are not doing anything
illegal, we are doing what the members want through due process, this was not
designed by any special group, it was designed by elected members. There was no
split vote it was UNANIMOUS.
I will therefore be grateful if you can tell me how you would like for me to
intervene, as Chairman, I only control the EC and not the committee. The EC and
your self included voted for this.
If we want a change, we will have noise, and we will have to counsel our
friends to understand why this is being done and how ultimately they will be
better off.
On another note if there is a petition signed by 80 members against this, we/EC
can force the committee to review this matter, but it has to be for clear
reasons. What are the objections ???
Let me know how to help in this matter and you will find me both understanding
and supportive.
Kind Regards
Nadeem
On 2/27/13 7:41 PM, "Alamdar Hussain"
<alamdar...@cslpak.com> wrote:
Attn: Mr. Nadeem Khan (Chairman Of Piffa)
Attn: Muhammad Asif, (Convener of membership committee)
You are requested to assist the our industry on below issue, which is
going to be complicated and large number of our member have some serious
obligation against this enforcement … so called “
Marine Umbrella Insurance” ..!!
Regards
Alamdar Hussain
From: Sarfaraz Hussain [mailto:sarf...@matrixlogistics.com.pk]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:55 PM
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Subject: Re: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have
such clause?????
agreed
with amir and sajid,
ec
arrange meeting and discuss with all the piffa members if they wana some
implementation,
but they
not force or implement without rules and law.
rgds
sararaz
From: Sajid Kamal Malick
- Farasia <mailto:skma...@farasia.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February
27, 2013 6:04 PM
To: 'Aamir Ali' <mailto:aa...@seahawkgroup.net>
; 'PIFFA' <mailto:pi...@piffapk.com>
; m.nade...@raaziq.com.pk ; 'Jac Logistics' <mailto:aq...@jaclog.net> ;
s.na...@adroitcargo.com ; shahzada...@excelfrt.com ; 'Alpha Marine
Services' <mailto:kha...@amspk.net>
; as...@gmlpk.com ; alamdar...@cslpak.com ; tari...@dynamicshipping.com ;
muhamm...@excelfrt.com ; afsar....@expeditors.com ;
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; yaq...@pyramidlog.com ; maj...@ravian.com ; a...@seafreightadvisor.com ;
jav...@smslog.net ; captm...@waterlinkpak.com ; 'Secretary PIFFA' <mailto:secr...@piffapk.com>
Cc: bab...@transfreight.com.pk ; sa...@ufs.com.pk ;
km...@targetlogistics.com.pk ; sup...@wwg.com.pk ; a...@faizcargo.com ;
far...@uns.com.pk ; a...@cimshipping.com ; mma...@agilitylogistics.com ;
mu...@mrgrouppk.com ; ma...@cargocare.com.pk ; 'IRSHAD JUNAID RASHID' <mailto:iju...@cglpl.com> ;
ani...@pk.hellmann.net ; c...@karachicargo.com ; mun...@gulsons.com ;
il...@express-lines.com.pk ; in...@e2escm.com ; muhamma...@co.tlpk.com ;
yous...@pakistancargo.com ; forward...@googlegroups.com ; m...@tnipk.com ;
as...@seatrade-pak.com ; saq...@ttx.group.com.pk ; im...@dynamic.com.pk ;
exper...@cyber.net.pk ; iq...@acb.com.pk ; tahir...@trafco.net.pk ;
ja...@visionlogistics.net ; sarf...@matrixlogistics.com.pk ; tsl...@super.net.pk
; m...@teknikmovers.com ; ta...@primecargo.biz ; imr...@swiftmovers.com ;
sma...@go2uti.com ; adeel...@dhl.com ; ma...@lineup.com.pk ;
manag...@wmmsp.com ; bo...@boss.com.pk ;
khawar....@pk.allportcargoservices.com ; sar...@marshal.cc ;
aa...@seahawkgroup.net
174-O,
Block-2, P.E.C.H.S. Karachi-75400, Pakistan
Tel: +92 21 34322671-73 Fax: +92 21 34322670
------ End of Forwarded Message
Muhammad Nadeem Khan
Munir Peracha - Gulsons Express***
Dear .apprecaite your valuable advs.
Rgds to all.
Munir A.Peracha
CEO/MD
Gulsons Express (Pvt) Ltd.
1-1/2 P Block-6, P.E.C.H.S.
Karachi - Pakistan
Tel#: +9221-4537916-8
Fax#: +9221-4537919 / 4549239
Cell#: +92300-8266466
Email: mun...@gulsons.com
Muhammad Nadeem Khan
Alamdar Hussain
Attn: Mr. Nadeem Khan (Chairman Of Piffa)
Attn: Muhammad Asif, (Convener of membership committee)
You are requested to assist the our industry on below issue, which is going to be complicated and large number of our member have some serious obligation against this enforcement … so called “ Marine Umbrella Insurance” ..!!
Regards
Alamdar Hussain
Muhammad Nadeem Khan
All help in this matter is very much appreciated. Thanks for arranging this.
MNK
On 2/28/13 1:02 PM, "Ilyas [Express Lines]" <il...@express-lines.com.pk> wrote:
Dear Mr nadeem,
Coming in to matter,
Suggest that PIFFA should take one or two Insurance companies to bargain for premium of insurance
Policy for all,,, this is the way PIFFA EC & PIFFA convenieyor of this committee assist members.
We did this at airfreight( Acaap) side by taking two companies United and continental insurance
To fix premium for members instead of an high charge to members,
We do understand a large number of PIFFA members are small entities and might not able to reach
Right company till we assist them..
If u agree I can ask both insurance companies covering Marine umbrella policy to contact secretary PIFFA on matter to fix various working required by agent/piffa member.
Please ack..
Muhammad Ilyas
[ C.E.O ]
Xpress House, 1/ 2-P,
Block 6, P.E.C.H.S
Karachi, Pakistan
Tel: (92-21) 4302491-92-93
Fax: (92-21) 4535147
Mob: (92-321) 8234 161
E-Mail:il...@express-lines.com.pk Skype: muhammad.ilyas.1
URL : www.xpress-aviation.com.pk <http://www.xpress-aviation.com.pk/>
shamshad shafiq
From: sarf...@matrixlogistics.com.pk
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Subject: Re: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have such clause?????
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:55:16 +0500
Boss
Dear all friends of Piffa and Piffa Chairman Mr.Nadeem khan
Hope all you fine, Marine Umbrella Insurance is good document to protect ourself and our company. If wrong typing on B/L or our document are missed.and we face problem and losses. And according to my information approx Rs.100000 (one Lac) expenses per Year for one member,it can be more reduce if we go through Piffa for all members,. But our B/L will be more valuable if we do this, (Shaheen insurance) and (Adamjee) doing this practice
But important is, in our members mostly are may be do not bear these expenses,special in these situation in our country,since some time big slum in the market and mostly are hardly covering their expenses.
Pls called a General Body meeting and put this issue before all member,and convince them ,how this document will be helpful for them,. And how Piffa will support those members who is not able to get this( Marine Umbrella Insurance),because 80% are our small farwarder,and it is our all member responsibitly to protect their business and support them who are small farwarder
Thanks
Shahid Arain (Director Marketing)
Company: Blue Ocean Sky Services/Boss
Address: Al-Rehman Trade Center
Suit#3,First Floor,Opp KPT gate #15.
Keamari Road,Karachi,Pakistan
Tel:0092-21-2863745-46
Fax:0092-21-2863747
Cell:00923002979505
E-Mail: bo...@boss.com.pk,bo...@gerrys.net
Web: www.boss.com.pk
msn: arian...@hotmail.com
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Boss
Dear all friends of Piffa and Piffa Chairman Mr.Nadeem khan
Hope all you fine, Marine Umbrella Insurance is good document to protect ourself and our company. If wrong typing on B/L or our document are missed.and we face problem and losses. And according to my information approx Rs.100000 (one Lac) expenses per Year for one member,it can be more reduce if we go through Piffa for all members,. But our B/L will be more valuable if we do this, (Shaheen insurance) and (Adamjee) doing this practice
But important is, in our members mostly are may be do not bear these expenses,special in these situation in our country,since some time big slum in the market and mostly are hardly covering their expenses.
Pls called a General Body meeting and put this issue before all member,and convince them ,how this document will be helpful for them,. And how Piffa will support those members who is not able to get this( Marine Umbrella Insurance),because 80% are our small farwarder,and it is our all member responsibitly to protect their business and support them who are small farwarder
Thanks
Shahid Arain (Director Marketing)
Company: Blue Ocean Sky Services/Boss
Address: Al-Rehman Trade Center
Suit#3,First Floor,Opp KPT gate #15.
Keamari Road,Karachi,Pakistan
Tel:0092-21-2863745-46
Fax:0092-21-2863747
Cell:00923002979505
E-Mail: bo...@boss.com.pk,bo...@gerrys.net
Web: www.boss.com.pk
msn: arian...@hotmail.com
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Jamil Ahmed
Dear All,
Pls do not circulate this message without a proper clarification because marine Umbrella Insurance required for HBL only & those who are issuing HBL needs to be covered under Marine Umbrella Insurance & those who are not issuing HBL, don’t need any insurance cover.
Regards
M. Jamil Ahmed
Chief Executive
Vision Logistics (Pvt) Ltd.,
Lahore – Karachi _ Faisalabad – Islamabad
Pakistan
Cell: 0092 333 4227999
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:05 PM
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Syed Aamir Ali
DEAR CHAIRMAN SB,
WE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE INDUSTRY ALWAYS RESPECT YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW. BUT A PERSONAL POINT
OF VIEW CAN NOT CHANGE THE LEGAL FACTS. INFACT YOU SHOULD RESPONED THIS MATTER AS THE CHAIRMAN
OF PIFFA . WE ALL WANT TO SEE YOUR OPINION AS CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN SB I HAVE QUOTED THE CLAUSES OF ARTICLES THOSE CLAUSES ARE VERY CLEARLY STATING THAT EC CAN NOT FRAME
ANY RULES AND REGULATIONS WHICH ARE NOT IN CONSONANCE OR NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE MOA.
1) AS MENTIONED IN MY LAST MAIL THAT AN ASSOCIATION’S ROLE IS TO FACILITATE THE INDUSTRY I BELIEVE PIFFA CAN SUGGEST THEIR
MEMBERS TO HAVE AN UMBRELLA POLICY BUT PIFFA CAN NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP. THERE ARE SO MANY
MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT EVEN ISSUING B/L. THERE ARE SO MANY MEMBERS WHO ARE ISSUING THEIR PRINCIPAL B/L. WITH DIFFERENT
POLICIES AND COVERINGS AND NORMALLY MEMBERS ARE HESITENT TO SUBMITT THEIR BUSINESS SECRETS TO AN ASSOCIATION
CONTROL AND RUN BY COMPETITORS.
2) I BELIEVE IF YOU GONE THROUGH THE CLAUSE 6 , CLAUSE 39F AND CLAUSE 39K AND DGTO ORDER REGARDING RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP. YOUR VIEW TO ACCEPT THIS LEGALLY RIGHT WILL DAFINATELY BE CHANGE.
3) AS REGARDS TO THE MANNER IN WHICH THIS HAS BEEN AGREED IS ALSO ILLEGAL. AS ANY COMMITTEE OR EC HAVE NO RIGHT TO OVERRIDE THE MOA OR DGTO ORDER.THIS IS ONLY A RIGHT OF SUPREME BODY OF ASSOCIATION THAT IS GENERAL BODY EVEN GENERAL BODY NEED AN APPROVAL FROM DGTO AFTER PASSING
A RESULATION TO ALTER, ADD OR DELETE ANY CLAUSE OF MOA. HOW COME A COMMITTEE OR EC CAN CHANGE THE MOA.
PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS IS ONLY A START OF MAKING THING DIFFICULT FOR MEMBERS. TODAY EC ASK FOR INSURANCE THEN THEY WILL PROBABLY
ASK FOR ISO CERTIFICATION THEN SECURITY DEPOSIT THEN LOADING PROGRAMME REQUIREMENT AND SO ON.
LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST DO COMMITTEE/EC HAVE A PETITION OF 80 MEMBERS SIGNED TO CHANGE THE ARTICLE OR DO COMMITTEE/EC CALLED
AN EXTRA ORDINARY GENERAL MEETING TO CHANGE THE SAME. IF NOT THEN THEY LEGALLY HAVE NO RIGHTS.
SIR I REQUEST YOU AND ALL RESPECTED EC MEMBERS TO GO THOUGH THE ARTICLES AGAIN AND IF THEY FEEL THEY MADE A MISTAKE THEN PLS RECTIFY IT WITHOUT
ANY HEARTFEELINGS. I AM 100% SURE THAT ALL THE EC MEMBERS WILL LOVE TO MAKE INCLUSIVE POLICIES.
WITH REGARDS
AAMIR
Syed Aamir Ali
DEAR CHAIRMAN SB,
WE ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE INDUSTRY ALWAYS RESPECT YOUR PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW. BUT A PERSONAL POINT
OF VIEW CAN NOT CHANGE THE LEGAL FACTS. INFACT YOU SHOULD RESPONED THIS MATTER AS THE CHAIRMAN
OF PIFFA . WE ALL WANT TO SEE YOUR OPINION AS CHAIRMAN.
CHAIRMAN SB I HAVE QUOTED THE CLAUSES OF ARTICLES THOSE CLAUSES ARE VERY CLEARLY STATING THAT EC CAN NOT FRAME
ANY RULES AND REGULATIONS WHICH ARE NOT IN CONSONANCE OR NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE MOA.
1) AS MENTIONED IN MY LAST MAIL THAT AN ASSOCIATION’S ROLE IS TO FACILITATE THE INDUSTRY I BELIEVE PIFFA CAN SUGGEST THEIR
MEMBERS TO HAVE AN UMBRELLA POLICY BUT PIFFA CAN NOT MAKE IT MANDATORY FOR RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP. THERE ARE SO MANY
MEMBERS WHO ARE NOT EVEN ISSUING B/L. THERE ARE SO MANY MEMBERS WHO ARE ISSUING THEIR PRINCIPAL B/L. WITH DIFFERENT
POLICIES AND COVERINGS AND NORMALLY MEMBERS ARE HESITENT TO SUBMITT THEIR BUSINESS SECRETS TO AN ASSOCIATION
CONTROL AND RUN BY COMPETITORS.
2) I BELIEVE IF YOU GONE THROUGH THE CLAUSE 6 , CLAUSE 39F AND CLAUSE 39K AND DGTO ORDER REGARDING RENEWAL OF MEMBERSHIP. YOUR VIEW TO ACCEPT THIS LEGALLY RIGHT WILL DAFINATELY BE CHANGE.
3) AS REGARDS TO THE MANNER IN WHICH THIS HAS BEEN AGREED IS ALSO ILLEGAL. AS ANY COMMITTEE OR EC HAVE NO RIGHT TO OVERRIDE THE MOA OR DGTO ORDER.THIS IS ONLY A RIGHT OF SUPREME BODY OF ASSOCIATION THAT IS GENERAL BODY EVEN GENERAL BODY NEED AN APPROVAL FROM DGTO AFTER PASSING
A RESULATION TO ALTER, ADD OR DELETE ANY CLAUSE OF MOA. HOW COME A COMMITTEE OR EC CAN CHANGE THE MOA.
PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS IS ONLY A START OF MAKING THING DIFFICULT FOR MEMBERS. TODAY EC ASK FOR INSURANCE THEN THEY WILL PROBABLY
ASK FOR ISO CERTIFICATION THEN SECURITY DEPOSIT THEN LOADING PROGRAMME REQUIREMENT AND SO ON.
LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST DO COMMITTEE/EC HAVE A PETITION OF 80 MEMBERS SIGNED TO CHANGE THE ARTICLE OR DO COMMITTEE/EC CALLED
AN EXTRA ORDINARY GENERAL MEETING TO CHANGE THE SAME. IF NOT THEN THEY LEGALLY HAVE NO RIGHTS.
SIR I REQUEST YOU AND ALL RESPECTED EC MEMBERS TO GO THOUGH THE ARTICLES AGAIN AND IF THEY FEEL THEY MADE A MISTAKE THEN PLS RECTIFY IT WITHOUT
ANY HEARTFEELINGS. I AM 100% SURE THAT ALL THE EC MEMBERS WILL LOVE TO MAKE INCLUSIVE POLICIES.
WITH REGARDS
AAMIR
SEA HAWK SHIPPING LINE (PVT) LTD.
From: Muhammad Nadeem
Khan [mailto:m.nade...@raaziq.com.pk]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:32 PM
To: exper...@cyber.net.pk; iq...@acb.com.pk;
tahir...@trafco.net.pk; ja...@visionlogistics.net; tsl...@super.net.pk;
m...@teknikmovers.com; ta...@primecargo.biz; imr...@swiftmovers.com;
sma...@go2uti.com; adeel...@dhl.com; ma...@lineup.com.pk; manag...@wmmsp.com;
bo...@boss.com.pk; khawar....@pk.allportcargoservices.com;
sar...@marshal.cc; aa...@seahawkgroup.net
Subject: FW: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have
such clause?????
Dear Alamdar Sb,,
Pls tell me how to assist the industry and I will be happy to help out.
Let me tell you my personal (not official take on this matter),
1) The membership prequalification's are to promote professionalism and at the
same time act in public and the members interest. It is both topical and
designed to protect members from litigation and make us equal to the best
practices in the world. We cannot close our eyes to this. This
explains the need for this development.
2) The way the requirements are drafted are both legal and not repugnant to
any provision in the MoA or to the model rules framed by the DTO. This
covers the legal angle. If members disagree, they have the right to refer
this to the DTO or any legal person for opinion.
3). As regards to the manner in which this has been agreed, is also
legal. The committee consists of members of the profession and EC. The meeting
was called with due NOTICE. The matter was agitated and the rules were agreed
unanimously. They were presented to the EC and approved unanimously.
4. there will always be people who agree and those who disagree, and we respect
the right of those who disagree.
MY point is how do we run this association ?? We are not doing anything
illegal, we are doing what the members want through due process, this was not
designed by any special group, it was designed by elected members. There was no
split vote it was UNANIMOUS.
I will therefore be grateful if you can tell me how you would like for me to
intervene, as Chairman, I only control the EC and not the committee. The EC and
your self included voted for this.
If we want a change, we will have noise, and we will have to counsel our
friends to understand why this is being done and how ultimately they will be
better off.
On another note if there is a petition signed by 80 members against this, we/EC
can force the committee to review this matter, but it has to be for clear
reasons. What are the objections ???
Let me know how to help in this matter and you will find me both understanding
and supportive.
Kind Regards
Nadeem
From: Alamdar Hussain
[mailto:alamdar...@cslpak.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 PM
To: 'Sarfaraz Hussain'; 'Sajid Kamal Malick - Farasia'; 'Aamir Ali';
'PIFFA'; m.nade...@raaziq.com.pk; 'Jac Logistics'; s.na...@adroitcargo.com;
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bi...@globelinkpk.com; qa...@icmpk.com; sha...@news-logistics.com;
a...@cowasjeegroup.com; yaq...@pyramidlog.com; maj...@ravian.com;
a...@seafreightadvisor.com; jav...@smslog.net; captm...@waterlinkpak.com;
'Secretary PIFFA'; 'shamshad shafiq'
Cc: bab...@transfreight.com.pk; sa...@ufs.com.pk;
km...@targetlogistics.com.pk; sup...@wwg.com.pk; a...@faizcargo.com;
far...@uns.com.pk; a...@cimshipping.com; mma...@agilitylogistics.com;
mu...@mrgrouppk.com; ma...@cargocare.com.pk; 'IRSHAD JUNAID RASHID';
ani...@pk.hellmann.net; c...@karachicargo.com; mun...@gulsons.com;
il...@express-lines.com.pk; in...@e2escm.com; muhamma...@co.tlpk.com;
yous...@pakistancargo.com; forward...@googlegroups.com; m...@tnipk.com;
as...@seatrade-pak.com; saq...@ttx.group.com.pk; im...@dynamic.com.pk;
exper...@cyber.net.pk; iq...@acb.com.pk; tahir...@trafco.net.pk;
ja...@visionlogistics.net; tsl...@super.net.pk; m...@teknikmovers.com;
ta...@primecargo.biz; imr...@swiftmovers.com; sma...@go2uti.com; adeel...@dhl.com;
ma...@lineup.com.pk; manag...@wmmsp.com; bo...@boss.com.pk;
khawar....@pk.allportcargoservices.com; sar...@marshal.cc;
aa...@seahawkgroup.net
Subject: RE: Marine Umbrella Insurance PIFFA Ordinance, Articles have
such clause?????
Attn: Mr. Nadeem Khan (Chairman Of Piffa)
Attn: Muhammad Asif, (Convener of membership committee)
You are requested to assist the our industry on below issue, which is going to be complicated and large number of our member have some serious obligation against this enforcement … so called “ Marine Umbrella Insurance” ..!!
Regards
Alamdar Hussain
cha...@paklinkshipping.com
Sajid Kamal Malick - Farasia
100% agree with the view & standards of trade body as mentioned below. Secondly Bhai Jamil's reply needs to understand for those who in mood to impose such insurance policy without knowing the local working.
Rgds
Sajid
Javaid Essani
Syed Rehan Sohail
Dear Chairman Sahab
I am totally agree with the point given by Mr. Amir Ali.
In addition to that in my opinion when it was planned earlier by the committee to implement Marine Umbrella insurance at the time of renewal then the secretariat should inform all members well before time about the new/ additional implementation of Marine Umbrella insurance so that all the members have enough time to search and study suitable insurance company/ policy for their companies.
Instead EC has suddenly impose a rule at the eleventh hour of renewal. Now if we have to renew our membership on time we have to rush and select any insurance company or otherwise if we did not renew our membership on time then we will lose many rights for this year including casting our votes for the upcoming election this year in this way mostly associate class / small forwarders will suffer.
As you mention replying to Mr. Amir’s email that we will find you both understanding and supportive.
Keeping the same in mind we are looking forward towards that as a Chairman of the association use your authorities and remove Marine Umbrella insurance requirement from the renewal of membership.
Regards
Syed Rehan Sohail
ta...@7-cs.com
We want only this, that PIFFA have follow the rules of MOA n we condome these kind of illegal practice
So plz review this matter as per rules and regulation
Rgds/Tahir
