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[Daniel Sabirin]

petikan ayat ini 'menghantui' saya karena masih gagal untuk mengamalkannya -walaupun hafal di luar kepala (lupa ayat berapa, apakah ada di antara ayat2 yang disebut pak Ahmad ?) 

...they remember God while standing, sitting and on their sides, and they reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth. 

+ catatan kaki Rashad Khalifa,

your god is whatever occupies your mind most of the time, true believers remember God most of the time...

On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:48 PM, ahmadhariadi1951 <ahmadhar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Semua manusia ber-Tuhan, (Alquran surat 7 ayat 172, surat 36 ayat 60, surat 91 ayat 7-8, surat 15 ayat 29, dan surat 38 ayat 72). Baik yg bertuhan yg beragama ataupun yg bertuhan yg tidak beragama, semua wajib menyampaikan apa saja yg diyaqini sebagai suatu kebenaran kepada pihak lain (surat 18 ayat 29, surat 16 ayat 125). Masing2 hanya menyampaikan dg jalan bijaksana, tidak boleh memaksakan keyakinan kepada orang lain, (surat 16 ayat 125, surat 16 ayat 82, dan surat 50 ayat 45). Untuk lebih jelasnya lihat naskah berjudul "PANCASILA BAGIAN PENTING DARI AJARAN ALQURAN".



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Dari: Gatut Adisoma
Tanggal:10/01/2015 08:39 (GMT+07:00)
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Subjek: Re: [FoQus:438] Re: Demi Tuhan Saya Atheis



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From: "Gatut Adisoma" <gadi...@gmail.com>
Date: Jan 10, 2015 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [FoQus:438] Re: Demi Tuhan Saya Atheis

Salam,

Sejalan dengan pemikiran Uda Niel, berikut ini tulisan yang saya copy dari milis Tambang ITB. Mudah2an masih lebih banyak orang2 yang berpikiran seperti penulis artikel ini di Eropa dan di dunia.

Silakan dikomentari..

Wassalam,
Gadis

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https://www.facebook.com/cherumaz/posts/10152641904118424:0

JESUIS AHMED

By: Che Brandes-Tuka

As I hear mosques have been attacked, shot at and fire bombed throughout the night across France, all over Europe I see Muslims and their friends, barely having the chance to mourn the dead, who are already now grappling with how to respond to the imminent reaction of fear, blame, and hate towards them instigated by the ‪#‎CharlieHebdo-attack.

I read stories of young men walking into buses or stores as they are stared at with loathing and contempt, stories of young women at work wearing their hijabs as they are being told by people that they should be ashamed of themselves for wearing it, stories of children being bullied at school because parents or teachers told the children of the class that the bad men in Paris were of the same religion as theirs.

I see a lot of resilient and eloquent responses from young people who are of a generation that grew up with having to respond all their lives to a society that problematizes their presence, having to respond when an act of violence perpetrated by individuals was generalized to their whole ethnic/ cultural/ religious community, having to respond to the one-sided media narratives that stigmatizes and criminalizes them and having to respond to the corresponding opportunist right-wing backlashes that reduce them to "terrorists"; and turn them into scapegoats.

Unfortunately I also see a lot of that kind of hysteria being internalized by some, as society imposes a certain kind of self-blame for the racism and Islamophobia they endure. Fortunately others keep their backs straight, rejecting the routine of having to distantiate from and apologize for acts they didn't commit nor condone, refusing to have to first say sorry for their religion or to have to praise racist satire and say they are also Charlie before they can sympathize with their losses.

We have to be honest with ourselves here, Charlie Hebdo with its "satire" attacked the weak more often than the strong and defended the dominant in the guise of attacking convention. Condemning their murder does not require the embrace of their racism. The ‪#‎JeSuisCharlie hashtag makes unanimity compulsory: i.e. we must all be Charlie, we must all agree, we must all be one. If you are not Charlie, you are not ours, you are alien. That is not a defense of freedom of the press, it's an affirmation of us against them.

Of most of those people I have never seen expressions of a similar angst to the massacre of press and civilians in thousand-fold numbers in far off places where people have brown skin like Iraq, Pakistan or Palestine. As a reminder, twelve journalists were murdered by Israel last summer in Gaza as well. Attacks that were sponsored by the US and UK governments. And it's Western leaders like Cameron, Obama and Hollande who have led the assault on the freedom of press and protest under the guise ofthe Orwellian 'War on Terror', whose toll of human misery in drone strikes, invasions, torture, and occupations dwarfs the #CharlieHebdo-attack 1.000.000 : 1.

One tends to forget this world that has been made into one giant battlefield, one that is expanding now also to the streets of Paris, is a result of extreme ignorant hatred that is motivated by an enormous lust for money and power, founded by a global system that is degrading and abusing human life and putting humanity on a crash course to mass destruction. One tends to forget that those who are the real danger to "civilization" are not the immigrants and minorities, but the politicians and the businessmen who try to profit from this system and its crises. One tends to forget that the majority of those victimized by this system are generally not Charlie, but Ahmed.

So I am not saying I am Charlie. I am Ahmed the 3-year-old Syrian refugee who froze to death because his homeland has been plunged into chaos by power hungry maniacs and foreign meddling. I am Ahmed the 10-year-old Palestinian who was seen as a threat and thus shot in the head and killed by an Israeli soldier. I am Ahmed the17-year-old French-Algerian that faces daily police harrassment and has a bigger chance of landing in jail than finding a job. I am Ahmed the 35-year-old whose mosque or kebab shop has been bombed or will be bombed by racist extremists. I am Ahmed the 42-year-old police officer whose faith and culture was ridiculed, but died defending Charlie's right to do so.

#‎JeSuisAhmed


Pada 8 Januari 2015 13.01, 'Denny JA' via Forum Quranic Study <forum-qur...@googlegroups.com> menulis:

Ketika ditanya apakah ia percaya atau tidak dengan Tuhan, Einstein mulai dengan definisi: Tuhan yang mana yang dimaksud? Jika yg dimaksud dengan Tuhan itu adalah kumpulan hukum alam, jelas ia percaya. Dan ia bahkan ingin ikut memahami pikiran Tuhan dengan menyelidiki  hukum alam. Namun jika yang dimaksud dengan Tuhan itu adalah personal God, yang menurunkan kitab suci kepada nabi, lalu membela kelompok manusia yang satu, dan menghukum kelompok manusia yang lain, ia tak percaya.

Sudah banyak buku yang menulis soal The history of God, atau the Evolution of God. Betapa God ternyata punya konsep yg juga berevolusi sesuai dengan evolusi mindset manusia. Pertanyaan yg lebih maju lagi: konsep Tuhan yg bagaimana yg kini harus kita percayai?

Denny JA

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On 8 Jan 2015, at 10.15, Daniel Sabirin <dan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Voltaire bilang 'I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it'.
Apakah sebagai filsuf Voltaire benar bersedia membela ungkapan sevulgar apapun (misal le coran c'est de la merde) ?
Kekasaran ekstrim dan tidak perlu seperti ini akan mengundang tindakan setara dari orang2 yang sama ekstrimnya (you wanna play hardball? I'm game / lu jual, gue beli).
Sebagai sesama pengembara di dunia, setelah berpisah jalan, lebih baik 'mind your own business', mengganggu orang berarti mengambil resiko diganggu balik...
salam,
/ds

2014-08-06 21:58 GMT+07:00 Daniel Sabirin <dan...@gmail.com>:
Sejauh menyangkut orang yang mengaku tidak berTUHAN, buat saya 'Untukmu din-mu, untuk din-ku' sudah cukup, tak ada waktu mempermasalahkan pilihan orang lain, karena masalah sendiri sudah cukup banyak.

Ibarat 2 kelompok pengembara yang seharusnya bisa berpisah jalan secara baik2, satu ke utara, yang lain ke timur, mungkin tak akan pernah bertemu kembali.

“They parted with mutual civility, and possibly a mutual desire of never meeting again.”  ― Jane Austen.

Masalahnya, setelah berpisah sebagian dari mereka senang mengganggu dengan berbagai teriakan 'arah ke utara penuh fatamorgana, jurang, jebakan dst...' - alih2 mengurus masalah mereka sendiri.

Misal;

Yang ringan, pendapat 'if a religion fails to make someone a better person, then atheism make more sense' seperti didiskusikan tahun lalu.
Kenapa apel dan jeruk harus diperbandingkan, mana yang lebih enak ?
(Yang senang makan jeruk, silakan makan jeruk sepanjang waktu, tak usah pikirkan buah lain).

Yang TSM, terstruktur, sistematis dan masif (pinjam istilah MK) seperti Dawkins dengan buku The God Delusion-nya.
Judulnya saja sudah menyesatkan, mengikuti alur diskusi di atas, judul yang selaras dengan posisi Dawkins seharusnya
God Is Probably a Delusion.

salam,

2014-08-06 7:09 GMT+07:00 'as_kusuwardono' via Forum Quranic Study <forum-qur...@googlegroups.com>:

Pak Chandra Wibowo,

Bagus sekali 45:23.Mencerahkan. Sesuai dg isu yg lg hangat di negeri ini. Keroposnya budi luhur akibat syahwat kuasa tak terkendali.

Terimakasih.

Salam,
-anang-

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-------- Original message --------
From: Chandra Wibowo <chandr...@gmail.com>
Date:08/06/2014 05:45 (GMT+07:00)
To:forum-qur...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [FoQus:437] Re: Demi Tuhan Saya Atheis

Di dunia ini tidak ada yang tidak berTUHAN. Hanya saja memahami konsepnya yang berbeda. Mungkin dia tidak beragama, tetapi tidak TIDAK BERTUHAN. Tuhan berasal dari kata "ALIHA" yang artinya menentramkan. Saat orang itu mengatakan tidak percaya TUHAN tetapi lebih percaya kepada dirinya sendiri, maka dia telah bertuhan kepada dirinya karena lebih tentram dengan dirinya. Saat dia mengatakan tidak percaya Tuhan tetapi lebih percaya kepada tekhnologi, maka dia telah berTUHAN kepada tekhnologi karena lebih tentram dengan dirinya. Mengapa orang yang mengaku tidak berTUHAN dipermasalahkan? Bukankah lebih banyak orang yang mengaku berTUHAN dan menganggap jalan menujuNya (agama) terbaik di dunia lebih suka melanggar aturanNya dan melupakan bahwa dia berTUHAN? -----------------
QS. 45 ayat 23, QS. 25 ayat 43...(Angka ayat dan suratnya berpindah tempat 45:23 menjadi 25:43)

Salam.

Pada 27 Juli 2014 13.20, Daniel Sabirin <dan...@gmail.com> menulis: