Reality Report

[Chape...@aol.com]

Everyone,

 

The global climate is warming, man is the cause and the loss of summer ice in the Arctic Ice Cap continues its rapid decrease.

 

Rotten ice at the North Pole -- and scattered all over the Arctic Ice Cap

 

 

 

Here is a graph showing how this year's melt is progressing compared to previous years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chape...@aol.com]

 

 

In a message dated 6/27/2010 7:12:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wa...@comcast.net writes:

 

 

Roy,

 

This is NO "Reality Report".  Why is this not properly stated?    Are you the author?    Who did the "Peer Review"?

The "Reality Report" is very simply the two graphs of the data from the satellite-born sensors measuring the June 26 ice cover of the Arctic Ice cap and the trends in Arctic Ice coverage since 1979. Just the reality of the melt of the Arctic Ice cap measured by the physical sensors, Bill. Very straightforward measure of Reality.

 ( I only question this because this is a favorite criticism of yours.  -  Which means virtually nothing in today's technical / academic world. 

Baloney. Science is built on peer review. If your source of information is afraid to put his data and his ideas out on the chopping block of peer review, then you are probably just be spoon fed PR by someone who is manipulating  your mind. The Denialists almost never submit their outlandish claims to peer review.

  Go do some research on it! )    How and when did anyone determine accurately that mankind was the "primary cause" of  the "global climate warming?

The National Academy of Sciences just conducted yet another survey of the climate scientists. 97 to 98% of those with the best qualifications and who are actively conducting research and publishing in peer reviewed journals are all convinced that man is causing global warming. Nearly all of the "Denialists" have much more marginal qualifications, rarely publish in peer reviewed journals and do not have good reputations.

 

It is the best climate scientists of the world that have made this determination, Bill.

   Can you explain why you call it global if only the Arctic ice contained climate is considered in this blessed report?    Why is the Antarctic ice and climate not mentioned?   

The Antarctic Ice Sheets are now also melting. They are already contributing about the same amount to sea level rise as Greenland is. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is a house of cards -- most of it is grounded far under water and the warming ocean waters are melting away the base.

 

The Antarctic annual ice has little relevance. Nearly all of it melts each year. It is not comparable to the Arctic Ice Cap which is mostly composed of ice that has survived for 2 to 5 years.

Why are not the available and applicable historical records are provided herein?    The fact is that the earth has been noticeably heated from within since 1995 - but so convienitly omitted in such blind sided reports. 

If you don't give me a source for such a dramatic claim, then your claim has no credibility in my eyes.

   I for one have been sickened by your "stuck on stupid" attempts to appear technically able.    As I told you personally many months ago - you are a "time waster" and would not receive any further correspondence from me.   

My opinion of you is very similar. You make vague references to some special knowledge you claim to have -- from space aliens or Casper or whatever. I believe your claims all all time wasting baloney.

 

 But, today, I could not stomach this incomplete, incompetent and incorrect report of your proof in spite of my promise.   This has affected my opinion of the judgment of the members within forestry-focus and the others regularly your useless verbiage - that I never have received any evidence of their technical objections   

 

Recently I have summarized your apparent qualifications to collect and interpret the true value of technical articles for repeating and passing them on, simply as, monumentally, and technically incompetent. 

 

If you wish to make a significant technical contribution - why don't you research the "REAL WORLD REALITY" and discover what so many others on this planet have known (many as long as about 100 years) that petroleum is NOT A FOSSIL FUEL - and therefore, can not be considered a PEAKING OIL Resource.  

More baloney, Bill. Every claim of abiotic oil ever made has turned out to have a biological source when the geology was properly studied. I put belief in abiotic oil in the same category as belief in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.

 

    Did you have any intelligent thoughts in the last 60 days that the Gulf of Mexico could produce a source of uncontrollable waste that our technology and knowledge could not handle?   - FOR MONTHS AND MAYBE EVEN YEARS?     Did you know that an even larger (by many times) spill occurred in 1979 - 1980 off the East Coast of Yucatan, Mexico and was kept secret from the public?     

The Ixtoc spill is certainly no secret. I have read several references to it. As to our inability to cap the well, we just got over confident. Government regulation has become joke, and BP made stupid arrogant, greedy decisions. Now you have oil under 13,000 lbs/square inch pressure coming out a mile below the surface and our vaunted technology can't handle it. Deep water oil is drilled and extracted at the margins of what our technology can handle. There will be more spills like this in our future.

 

I have a hint for our scientists on Fossil Fuel.     The original source is not underground - it was overhead.     It arrives on an approximate cycle of 3,600 years.      

Sounds like pure unadulterated Baloney -- not to say Bull Shit -- to me. Where did you get that piece of information -- from Casper on the Mother Ship?

 

Roy Hagen

 

 

    - William Ashe, P. E

 

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[Al Bradley]

Hypochondriacs for Earth Listen Up! 

The idea that this is unnatural is complete nonsense.  We humans lose more heat in or heads and feet and it happens in homes attics and basements too.  Skulls full of mush please stop your concerns over nothing.  We can fix our appearance in many ways but currently have no head transplant options to correct stupid.

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Arctic Overreacts to Climate Change

Geological research shows that whenever Earth heats up a few degrees, the Arctic gets three times as warm.

By Larry O'Hanlon | Mon Jun 28, 2010 09:03 AM ET

Whether it's 5 million years ago or June 2010, it's becoming very clear that whenever the Earth's climate warms up a few degrees -- for whatever reason -- the Arctic multiples that warming by a factor of about three.

Two new studies of past warming and cooling periods going back millions of years have found that the Arctic reliably amplifies whatever global climate is doing. If the world drops 3 degrees colder, the Arctic will see 9 to 12 degrees of cooling. If Earth warmed up 3 degrees, the Arctic steams up 9 to 12 degrees.

"What it reinforces is that the Arctic has very strong positive feedbacks," said Gifford Miller of the University of Colorado, who spoke to Discovery News via satellite phone from a research expedition in northwest Australia.

This year, that could mean the Arctic could be the warmest ever recorded since data from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies show that global temperatures in 2010 have reached record levels.

The most powerful of feedbacks in the Arctic is sea ice and snow cover, said Miller, the lead author on a paper about past "Arctic amplification" in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews.

When ice melts more sunlight reaches the oceans or the ground, causing even more ice to melt. The opposite is also true: When there is more ice it reflects more solar energy back into space, and cools the Arctic down, which leads to more sea ice forming.

Other positive climate feedbacks that operate in the Arctic include the thawing of permafrost and vegetation changes. Thawing permafrost leads to releases of methane and other carbon compounds that can reach the atmosphere and increase greenhouse warming.

Warming is also reinforced when shrubs move northward and replace lower tundra plants. Taller plants help melt snow. The reverse happens when cooling is the trend.

Miller and his colleagues looked at four Arctic climate changes for which there was good data and fond the amplification pattern held.

In a separate paper in the latest issue of Geology, Ashley Ballantyne, also of the University of Colorado, and his colleagues took the record back to 5 million years and found that when CO2 concentrations were similar to today, the Arctic was about 19 degrees C warmer.

"We're looking back farther in time to see where we are trending in terms of greenhouse warming," said Ballantyne.

All this looking into the past is vital for understanding what the Arctic will do in the future, said Miller.

"We only have 50 years of observations of the Arctic," Miller said, referring primarily to satellite sea ice observations. "(This new work) puts that 50 years in a bigger perspective."

It even helps to put this month's sea ice melting into perspective.

"June is going to be a new record low (for sea ice extent)," said Julienne Stroeve of the National Snow and Ice Data Center. The rate ice has been receding is also faster than any other June on record, she said, as was May.

Nor is this a particularly new trend, Stroeve said.

"You'll find since about 2000 every month you have positive temperature anomalies," Stroeve said. Translation: The Arctic is doing exactly what it has done for 5 million years: amplifying the global climate change signal.

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Subject: Re: [forestry-focus-public] Re: Reality Report

Just part of the Earth's overall self-regulating, self-mitigating balance

to maintain homeostasis.  Man could not change the temperature of

the Earth if we tried, and soccer mom's driving minivans sure as Hell

are not changing the temperature of the Earth.

 

Mark

Al Bradley, C.F.
Roswell, GA

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- Frank Lloyd Wright

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