Stopping by to rattle your chains

[Chapeaured]

Dear Larry, Al, Travis and Company,

Haven't seen many posts from you guys lately -- actually, I haven't seen any at all.

Thought you would all enjoy this article I found today at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/23/1338538/--The-Science-Of-Fox-News-Why-Its-Viewers-Are-The-Most-Misinformed?detail=email

I would say this article speaks directly to the root causes of your inabilities to carry on a rational, reasoned debate about AGW.

Once again, Enjoy!

Roy Hagen

[Larry Miller]

Nice to hear from you again Roy.

How are you enjoying the now 18+ years of no global warming?  And remember, this is real data, not failed models such as the corrupt IPCC hangs upon.

 

Regards,

 

Larry

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[Al Bradley]

Ok Roy, here is one from the Mises Economics BLOG.  The greatest HOAX of all time.  

Regards,

Al Bradley

Cedar Park, TX

 

Global Warming Debate Over: We’re Doomed

By Ryan McMaken

Wednesday, October 22nd, 2014

According to Guy McPherson, Professor Emeritus of Natural Resources, Ecology, etc., at the University of Arizona, (presumably man-made) climate change is “irreversible” and, basically, we’re all doomed.

As I’ve noted before, anyone who actually values human liberty and progress should welcome declarations of the “irreversible” nature of global warming. After all, if there’s nothing we can do to stop it, then we can just get on with our lives and leave humanity to dealing with environmental problems as they come, which is what homo sapiens have been doing for millennia.

So, McPherson’s pronouncement that it’s irreversible is a real load off. We can stop having the debate about whether or not to crush human economic progress with global regulatory efforts to massively reduce everyone’s standard of living via carbon emission controls (except for the super-wealthy and politically-well connected, of course).

But not so fast.  McPherson has come up with a novel twist on this one. Even though humanity is totally doomed, that doesn’t mean we can now just drop the issue and get back to increasing our standards of living as fast as possible in our last remaining years. Nope, we apparently have a responsibility to destroy ourselves so that other animals can have the planet instead. The method of suicide? We must “terminate industrial civilization.”

Since McPherson considers himself qualified to speak on these matters, I’m going to assume that he is in fact aware that terminating industrial civilization would result in the near-immediate starvation of a large portion of the human race. This no doubt fits into his plan to destroy humanity for the sake of amoebas and elk, but he then implies that he doesn’t understand what the end of industrial civilization means when he declares that, being doomed, our only choice is is to “enjoy and create moments of joy while we are here.”

So which is it? Should we terminate industrial civilization or “create moments of joy,” because those  two propositions are mutually exclusive for the vast majority of humans.

Perhaps McPherson is one of those people who is under the mistaken impression that prior to industrialization, life on earth was some sort of bucolic joy-filled wonderland. Such risible nostalgia for a past that never existed seems to infect many environmentalists. The reality of the good ol’ days of the pre-industrial world, of course, is one of scratching a subsistence out of the ground from dawn until dusk while hoping one isn’t struck down by some plague.

For most people, joy comes from having some free time in relative comfort, and access to modern medical amenities when one falls ill. Without industrial civilization, there’s no modern medicine, little comfort, and certainly no free time to speak of. Where we’re supposed to attain this “joy” is a mystery in McPherson’s vision.

[Mark Thomas]

That's a good example of how desperate they are now that they have been totally

humiliated and the American people now know they were lied to by these climate pimps. 

I put good ol Roy in the garbage bin and no longer get his lying rants on my computer. 

The whole thing was concocted to grow government, redistribute wealth, and suppress

capitalism, the American people knows it, and the rest of the world knows it.  And, the

day is coming when these people will be charged with crimes and I hope they all go

to prison for misappropriation of funds.  They are a bunch of lying bastards.  Maybe they

will take this man's advice and all kill themselves so the slugs can live. 

[Chapeaured]

Dear Larry and Al and Forestry Focus Believers All,

It is really comforting to know, that in a highly uncertain and rapidly changing World, where all the trends are going South, some things, or at least one thing, never change(s).

The politicians and the media have us freaking out about ISIS and Ebola,

The last time the carbon dioxide level in the earth's atmosphere was at its current level of 400ppm, the ocean levels were about 100-130 feet higher than today and it is very likely that is where they're headed now. And we're already at 480ppm CO2 equivalence when you add in the other green house gases.

The net energy of petroleum is falling close to the point where it can't sustain the type of economy we have enjoyed during our lifetimes and we're totally dependent on petroleum for transportation. We're close to the point where oil is too expensive for the consumer to consume enough of to sustain the economy and petroleum is too cheap for the oil companies to produce it and still make a profit. That's a Conundrum. That's why everyone keeps waiting for the Recovery that hasn't come.

Through all this turmoil and uncertainty, there is one rock we can all cling to. The Rock, of course, is the Temple of the Free Market where the die-hard Believers all worship over at Forestry-Focus.

It's been quite a few months since I stopped by, and here they are, still clinging to the Rock of their crazy beliefs.

All is still looking for climate science at the Church of Mises. The wonderful things about that is that, for Al, The Church of Mises is the correct and appropriate place to look for climate science. How is that for mind boggling?

Larry still believes that all the world's best climate scientists who volunteer their time at the IPCC are all corrupt. Larry believes that he has got the "Real Data" -- although his sources of data invariably come from cowards who never put their necks and their data out on the chopping block of Peer Review. Larrry's Real Data are in agreements with Larry's Free Market beliefs and Larry just feels it in his guts that His Real Data are real.

At Forestry Focus, everyone worships at the Temple of the Free Market. No thought, and no bit of evidence that is in contradiction with the Revealed Truth of the Forestry Focus Believer is allowed to enter the Thought Processes of the Forestry Focus Annointed. That's what Fox News and Watt's Up With That and all those other Conservative institutions were invented for. To Comfort the Conservative Believers in their Strange Beliefs and to shield them from the Heresy of Science.

The Temple of the Free Market is to AGW is much like the Pope was to Galileo -- or maybe it soon will be if the Republicans take the Senate!. The Free Market trumps reason and logic. The Free Market trumps Science every time. Reason, Logic, Science -- They are all just inconveniences to the Believer.

There is no possibility of reasoned debate with you guys at Forestry Focus because you don't "Reason". You Rationalize from the Foundation of your Free Market Catechism.

It took me a very long to learn that. I was a Very Slow Learner, indeed. In the end, though, I did learn my lesson so I won't hang around to "debate" with you. That would be Futile.

But it sure is fun to stop by and Rattle the Chains that so effectively inhibit your mental processes just every little once in a while.

Cheers,

Red Hat

[Larry Miller]

Nice try Roy, but the real data I cite is real data - from your beloved government sources such as GISS, etc.  You may continue to worship at the altar of the IPCC models, which are not data, but for me I choose to believe the real data that has now recorded 18+ years of no global warming.

 

Regards,

 

Larry

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[Chapeaured]

GISS Global Temperatures

Go back 18 years to 1996, and every single year since then has been hotter than 1996.




http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif
Source http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/Fig.A2.gif


But you're just being sloppy. You meant 1998, didn't you?  Even so, there have been 3 years since 1998 with warmer average temperatures that 1998. And this year will be the 4th. This year will probably be the all time highest atmospheric record temperature.

But, OK, the temperature data does flatten out starting about 2004 -- look at the five-year trend line. So we have this anomaly since 2004. Is that significant?

But you're way off track by focusing on the atmosphere. Only 3% of global warming goes into the atmosphere. The rest goes into melting continental glaciers, mountain glaciers, heating the lanld and heating the oceans,

So if you want to know if the planet is warming or not, more than anything else, you need to look at what is happening to ocean temperatures.

So go back and look at what has happened since 1998, and you see that global warming has not stopped or slowed. It has accelerated.

Figure 1:  Land, atmosphere, and ice heating (red), 0-700 meter ocean heat content (OHC) increase (light blue), 700-2,000 meter OHC increase (dark blue).  From Nuccitelli et al. (2012).

Wrong on all counts, Larry. As usual.

Roy

[Mark Thomas]

Is it not hilarious that people think that MSNBC and CNN and the rest of them are

not biased and that they think FOX is?  That just floors me, and is indicative that

the libtards do actually have a brain abnormality. 

Cheers,

Mark

On Friday, October 24, 2014 7:28 AM, 'Larry Miller' via Forestry-Focus Public <forestry-f...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 

Nice try Roy, but the real data I cite is real data - from your beloved government sources such as GISS, etc.  You may continue to worship at the altar of the IPCC models, which are not data, but for me I choose to believe the real data that has now recorded 18+ years of no global warming.

 

Regards,

 

Larry

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[Mark Thomas]

Al,

Here is a pic of some of the man-made global warming believers searching for the

source of global warming, which has not happened in 20 years by the way. And,

have not had a hurricane make landfall in over 9 years, and storms are down by

20%.  Hope they find it.

Roy is third from the left.

Enjoy.

Mark