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Liz Fraley
May 11, 2010, 9:34:16 AM5/11/10
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Ellen,
Meetings need to occur on a regular schedule. Last week, everyone voted on having meetings weekly at 1:30 on Wednesdays. That vote needs to be respected. People will come and go as things change from semester to semester and as people have appointments. The meeting should proceed as scheduled and not changed at this late date.
Liz
Meetings need to occur on a regular schedule. Last week, everyone voted on having meetings weekly at 1:30 on Wednesdays. That vote needs to be respected. People will come and go as things change from semester to semester and as people have appointments. The meeting should proceed as scheduled and not changed at this late date.
Liz
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:50 AM, <foothill-a...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Topic: Meeting on May 12thEllen Wongso <eln...@gmail.com> May 10 09:45PM -0700 ^
Hi Everyone,
I receive quite an email from few people that they are not able to attend
the meeting on Wednesday May 12th at 1.30pm. I proposed that the meeting
time is changed to 2.30pm. If the adviser can make it and most people can
make it, I will change the meeting to Wednesday May 12th at 2.30pm.
Please reply whether what time can you make it. Thank you.
Best Regards,
Ellen Wongso
Patrick Shulman
May 12, 2010, 3:19:46 AM5/12/10
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Dear all,
I was not available for last meeting, nor am I available for the meeting scheduled for Wednesday at 1:30. My vote was not counted last meeting, nor will it count in the following meeting. When can we have a meeting where I am available, and my vote will count as well?
FYI, I am available this quarter on Wednesdays at 12:00 PM or 3:00 PM, and Fridays at 10:00 AM or 2:00 PM. Is there a way to make this work for the next coming meeting? Please let me know. Thank you!
Sincerely,
Patrick Shulman
I was not available for last meeting, nor am I available for the meeting scheduled for Wednesday at 1:30. My vote was not counted last meeting, nor will it count in the following meeting. When can we have a meeting where I am available, and my vote will count as well?
FYI, I am available this quarter on Wednesdays at 12:00 PM or 3:00 PM, and Fridays at 10:00 AM or 2:00 PM. Is there a way to make this work for the next coming meeting? Please let me know. Thank you!
Sincerely,
Patrick Shulman
Liz Fraley
May 12, 2010, 12:35:15 PM5/12/10
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Hi Patrick,
(Dropping all the CC's because, everyone is on the Group Mailing list)
It will never be possible to guarantee that everyone can make all the meetings every quarter. Schedules change, life happens. Throughout it all, meeting times should remain as fixed as possible. It will never be 100% acceptable to all members (or officers) every quarter. There will be a lot of pressure to move them week after week, quarter after quarter, but that will You all want to make sure that attendance is not the definition of participation because it isn't, not really. Participation is defined by those people who have taken an active leadership role in helping the club succeed.
Patrick, I was impressed to hear how much you're doing for the chapter. You're writing the bylaws. You're Treasurer. These are both critical functions for the club's success.
Eric and several others were a good proxy for your voice last week. One way to guarantee participation is to publish each meeting's agenda/program well in advance of the meeting and to post minutes/summary afterward.
I haven't seen an agenda for today's meeting posted yet nor have I seen minutes from last week's meeting posted. There was an issue under discussion last week that will be voted on in today's meeting that members wanted a chance to consider. Had the minutes been posted, you would know what vote was coming up and you could have someone represent you in the meeting today and assure that your voice is heard.
No one vote or one person is more important than any other, nor should it be. Even if we assume you had been at the meeting and voted, then the vote would have been 10:1 in favor of holding General Meetings at 1:30 PM on Wednesdays.
General Meetings should be program-style meetings designed for your club members' benefit. They should not be business meetings about chapter operations.
Last week, I suggested that the club should begin having a monthly Council Meetings. I realize that Eric's statement still holds true: The chapter is small now and the attendees will be most of the same people. However, please note that Council Meetings are business meetings and should be held at a different time and serve a different purpose. Council Meetings should be monthly and they should be closed to the general membership.
Council meetings should not be open to every chapter member. These meetings are only for those who are performing actions for the benefit and furtherance of the chapter's success. For reference, typically Council Members are people who are filling voted or appointed positions. These would include Chair, Vice Chair, Treasurer, Secretary, Members-at-Large, Committee chair(s): Nominating, Programs, Website, etc, and, optionally, your Adviser. Council meetings can move quarter to quarter, but should be fixed for each quarter, so everyone can plan accordingly.
In order for the club to succeed, a fixed meeting time is critical, especially the General Meeting. The General Meeting really needs to be permanently fixed for the foreseeable future. While the Council meeting time can change quarterly, the General meeting really should not. If it does, you will not be able to grow the membership, nor will you be able to develop a program that other students want to attend and participate in because you won't be able to book speakers far enough in advance to get on THEIR calendars.
As someone who has been in your position when I was in school, I understand how you feel. I had one semester when I was Vice Chair and could not make the general meetings; recently, I had close to a year as Treasurer of the SFBAY chapter when I couldn't make council meetings. It happens. Hopefully, you will be able to make council meetings this quarter (TBA) and general meetings next quarter.
Everyone's first priority should be the growth and development of the chapter. Regular meetings go a long way toward achieving that end.
Patrick, please feel free to reach out to me offline or by phone. Both of your advisers and both chairs have my card. I think you have a lot to offer and am looking forward to seeing the chapter grow under your participation as an important council member.
Warm regards,
Liz
(Dropping all the CC's because, everyone is on the Group Mailing list)
It will never be possible to guarantee that everyone can make all the meetings every quarter. Schedules change, life happens. Throughout it all, meeting times should remain as fixed as possible. It will never be 100% acceptable to all members (or officers) every quarter. There will be a lot of pressure to move them week after week, quarter after quarter, but that will You all want to make sure that attendance is not the definition of participation because it isn't, not really. Participation is defined by those people who have taken an active leadership role in helping the club succeed.
Patrick, I was impressed to hear how much you're doing for the chapter. You're writing the bylaws. You're Treasurer. These are both critical functions for the club's success.
Eric and several others were a good proxy for your voice last week. One way to guarantee participation is to publish each meeting's agenda/program well in advance of the meeting and to post minutes/summary afterward.
I haven't seen an agenda for today's meeting posted yet nor have I seen minutes from last week's meeting posted. There was an issue under discussion last week that will be voted on in today's meeting that members wanted a chance to consider. Had the minutes been posted, you would know what vote was coming up and you could have someone represent you in the meeting today and assure that your voice is heard.
No one vote or one person is more important than any other, nor should it be. Even if we assume you had been at the meeting and voted, then the vote would have been 10:1 in favor of holding General Meetings at 1:30 PM on Wednesdays.
General Meetings should be program-style meetings designed for your club members' benefit. They should not be business meetings about chapter operations.
Last week, I suggested that the club should begin having a monthly Council Meetings. I realize that Eric's statement still holds true: The chapter is small now and the attendees will be most of the same people. However, please note that Council Meetings are business meetings and should be held at a different time and serve a different purpose. Council Meetings should be monthly and they should be closed to the general membership.
Council meetings should not be open to every chapter member. These meetings are only for those who are performing actions for the benefit and furtherance of the chapter's success. For reference, typically Council Members are people who are filling voted or appointed positions. These would include Chair, Vice Chair, Treasurer, Secretary, Members-at-Large, Committee chair(s): Nominating, Programs, Website, etc, and, optionally, your Adviser. Council meetings can move quarter to quarter, but should be fixed for each quarter, so everyone can plan accordingly.
In order for the club to succeed, a fixed meeting time is critical, especially the General Meeting. The General Meeting really needs to be permanently fixed for the foreseeable future. While the Council meeting time can change quarterly, the General meeting really should not. If it does, you will not be able to grow the membership, nor will you be able to develop a program that other students want to attend and participate in because you won't be able to book speakers far enough in advance to get on THEIR calendars.
As someone who has been in your position when I was in school, I understand how you feel. I had one semester when I was Vice Chair and could not make the general meetings; recently, I had close to a year as Treasurer of the SFBAY chapter when I couldn't make council meetings. It happens. Hopefully, you will be able to make council meetings this quarter (TBA) and general meetings next quarter.
Everyone's first priority should be the growth and development of the chapter. Regular meetings go a long way toward achieving that end.
Patrick, please feel free to reach out to me offline or by phone. Both of your advisers and both chairs have my card. I think you have a lot to offer and am looking forward to seeing the chapter grow under your participation as an important council member.
Warm regards,
Liz
Patrick Shulman
May 12, 2010, 3:52:08 PM5/12/10
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Dear Liz,
I would like you to know that I choose to use CC's because not all of my messages reach others by a simple message to the group. A simple message to the group does not ensure my voice to be heard, and I feel that my voice has been unfairly censured by some of the Google group managers.
I have not had the pleasure of making your acquaintance, and I look forward to meeting you someday to better communicate my ideas. This is a Foothill College club funded by Foothill College student fees as well as our tax dollars, and, as a Foothill student, I feel entitled to share my ideas and enthusiasm with the club as I see fit.
I want to express my gracious appreciation to Ellen, our chair, for her interest in adjusting the meeting schedule to better suit the needs of the club as a whole. Nothing in life lasts forever, things change, and it is important for us, as a club, to be able to adapt to those changes. Constitutional amendments, adjusting meeting times, and electing new officers are but a few means for us to adapt in this ever-changing world.
There is something to be said for the sense of certainty that a schedule set in stone can give an individual. Nevertheless, if that stone does not serve the club as a whole, it will sink in the waters of change. That is just my poetic interpretation of the current situation. I hope it is as fun to read as it is to write!
Sincerely,
Patrick Shulman
I would like you to know that I choose to use CC's because not all of my messages reach others by a simple message to the group. A simple message to the group does not ensure my voice to be heard, and I feel that my voice has been unfairly censured by some of the Google group managers.
I have not had the pleasure of making your acquaintance, and I look forward to meeting you someday to better communicate my ideas. This is a Foothill College club funded by Foothill College student fees as well as our tax dollars, and, as a Foothill student, I feel entitled to share my ideas and enthusiasm with the club as I see fit.
I want to express my gracious appreciation to Ellen, our chair, for her interest in adjusting the meeting schedule to better suit the needs of the club as a whole. Nothing in life lasts forever, things change, and it is important for us, as a club, to be able to adapt to those changes. Constitutional amendments, adjusting meeting times, and electing new officers are but a few means for us to adapt in this ever-changing world.
There is something to be said for the sense of certainty that a schedule set in stone can give an individual. Nevertheless, if that stone does not serve the club as a whole, it will sink in the waters of change. That is just my poetic interpretation of the current situation. I hope it is as fun to read as it is to write!
Sincerely,
Patrick Shulman
Liz Fraley
May 22, 2010, 1:07:23 PM5/22/10
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Hi Patrick,
ACM has a set code of ethics that is required of all members and all chapters, both student and professional to follow. No one member's voice is more -- or less -- important than any other voice.
I have seen a lot of clubs form and fold over the years -- student and professional. Today, there is only one professional chapter left in the bay area. Our chapter is nearly 50 years old and our meeting time has been the same--Third Wednesday, 6:30-9:00 PM in the Oak Room at HP Cupertino -- for the at least the last 20 years. We have 300 members who know they can show up at that location, on that day, at that time, in any month and there will be a program scheduled that is designed to grow their skills, their networks, and their profession. The reasons we keep this time are simple: consistency, dependability, and reliability.
ACM is a service club: A professional organization committed to delivering resources, programs, and activities that advance computing as a science and a profession, enabling professional development, and to promoting policies and research that benefit society. If this club intends to be part of the national ACM organization then it needs to be figuring out how to serve the computer science community at Foothill College. It is not a college club. If you wish to form a Foothill College computer science club, then perhaps you can adopt a different structure. I can only advise you on the ACM practices that have proven to stand the test of time and the fluctuations of whimsy.
I think you all have some decisions to make about what you want this club to be and what service you want to provide to your community. Elaine will be essential helping you get started setting a direction and executing on it.
LizPatrick Shulman
May 23, 2010, 5:33:02 AM5/23/10
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Dear all,
Welcome back from Google I/O! I hope it was a blast for those who went. I was not fortunate enough to be among you this year, but I plan to attend next year. I may even interest a few other students to go there with me. I wish I had some of your guys' cell phone numbers.
It is refreshing to see some posts in this forum! I really appreciate Liz Fraley's kind words, for she is our sponsor, and I respect her for "grabbing the reigns in an attempt to tame the wild horse" (For those that don't know, this is a metaphor). I wonder if those words were intended for me or for the group as a whole. Forgive my confusion, but I read the opening entitled "Hi Patrick", and the ending states "you all", so I can only assume that this inconsistency is a result of one not taking the time to send two separate messages (excellent use of "CC" though). Nevertheless, I really do appreciate some form of communication in this forum as well as the consideration of my personal existence.
I do have some good ideas for those who wish to hear them. However, I find it to be rather unfair for me to neglect the needs of those who actually take the time to meet with me to share ideas. I am a firm believer of "give and take" relationships. If one shares with me their time, I feel quite obliged to share with them my time. I go as far to say that every interaction I have with another person inevitably results in an exchange between that person and myself.
Some say time is an illusion, but, even so, it is valued by many. I, personally, value the time anyone cares to share with me, and I graciously invite you all to share an hour (or more, or less) of your time with me this Thursday (5/27/10) on the Foothill College campus. I may be found in one of the following locations: 1) Foothill Cafeteria (eating); 2) Foothill Rec Room (playing pool); 3) KCI (studying). If you want, you may even call me on my cell: (408)665-0884.
I am a Foothill Student as well as a De Anza student, and I truly do care about my fellow students, and I care about the faculty that take the time to make a positive difference in the lives of my fellow students. I really like the idea of an existing Foothill College Student Chapter of the ACM, for it is a much more appealing idea to me than any professional chapter. I especially like the idea of a programming competition between the student chapter and the professional chapter where the student chapter kicks the butts of the so called professional chapter. Better yet, two student chapters competing with the professional chapter, and kicking its professional butt in a programming competition would be sublime!
I don't know about any of you other students, but I want to have fun before I become some corporate zombie. I know some students at both Foothill and De Anza that share that sentiment. Nothing in life is easy, nor is it given to you on a silver platter, especially if it is of great value. Remember how much I value time? Well, let's make this time ours! This is our time to have fun, our time to be brilliant, and our time to shine! Aristotle once said that "Hope is a waking dream", so lets go kick some corporate butt before we wake up in some cold drab cubicle!
I move to make this time ours! Can I get a second?
Sincerely,
Patrick Shulman
Welcome back from Google I/O! I hope it was a blast for those who went. I was not fortunate enough to be among you this year, but I plan to attend next year. I may even interest a few other students to go there with me. I wish I had some of your guys' cell phone numbers.
It is refreshing to see some posts in this forum! I really appreciate Liz Fraley's kind words, for she is our sponsor, and I respect her for "grabbing the reigns in an attempt to tame the wild horse" (For those that don't know, this is a metaphor). I wonder if those words were intended for me or for the group as a whole. Forgive my confusion, but I read the opening entitled "Hi Patrick", and the ending states "you all", so I can only assume that this inconsistency is a result of one not taking the time to send two separate messages (excellent use of "CC" though). Nevertheless, I really do appreciate some form of communication in this forum as well as the consideration of my personal existence.
I do have some good ideas for those who wish to hear them. However, I find it to be rather unfair for me to neglect the needs of those who actually take the time to meet with me to share ideas. I am a firm believer of "give and take" relationships. If one shares with me their time, I feel quite obliged to share with them my time. I go as far to say that every interaction I have with another person inevitably results in an exchange between that person and myself.
Some say time is an illusion, but, even so, it is valued by many. I, personally, value the time anyone cares to share with me, and I graciously invite you all to share an hour (or more, or less) of your time with me this Thursday (5/27/10) on the Foothill College campus. I may be found in one of the following locations: 1) Foothill Cafeteria (eating); 2) Foothill Rec Room (playing pool); 3) KCI (studying). If you want, you may even call me on my cell: (408)665-0884.
I am a Foothill Student as well as a De Anza student, and I truly do care about my fellow students, and I care about the faculty that take the time to make a positive difference in the lives of my fellow students. I really like the idea of an existing Foothill College Student Chapter of the ACM, for it is a much more appealing idea to me than any professional chapter. I especially like the idea of a programming competition between the student chapter and the professional chapter where the student chapter kicks the butts of the so called professional chapter. Better yet, two student chapters competing with the professional chapter, and kicking its professional butt in a programming competition would be sublime!
I don't know about any of you other students, but I want to have fun before I become some corporate zombie. I know some students at both Foothill and De Anza that share that sentiment. Nothing in life is easy, nor is it given to you on a silver platter, especially if it is of great value. Remember how much I value time? Well, let's make this time ours! This is our time to have fun, our time to be brilliant, and our time to shine! Aristotle once said that "Hope is a waking dream", so lets go kick some corporate butt before we wake up in some cold drab cubicle!
I move to make this time ours! Can I get a second?
Sincerely,
Patrick Shulman
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