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[Farhat Raza]

Dear Kirmani Sb.

Nice to hear from and thanks for the clarification. I understand that question of Jahangir sb is answered well.

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"A.Rauf Kirmani" <kirman...@yahoo.co.uk> Dec 18 05:36AM ^

 
Dear Jahangir Sb.
A.A

Tha last PSQCA Technical Committee in its emergent Session held in Lahore on Tuesday-the 15th Dec.,09 after its thread bare discussion decided the intentional addition/use of Melamine however the limits fixed by New Zealand were adopted for the standard . In principle , it was agreed upon the limits be in conformity with WHO / CODEX standards , The contributions made by Dr, Faqir Anjum, Dr.I.A . Afridi ( GPA) and Dr.Farhat Jameel ( Nestle ) was fully appreciated . The minutes of the said committee meeting fully takes into account the safe limits , the back ground , justification and the drafted note for the Lahore High court for 22nd.December,09 Court Hearing. In this regard, an authenticated copy of th minutes may be squired from Mr.Abdul Hayee , Secretary of the Technical Committee, PSQCA Karachi or a copy of the same may be got from Dr.Faqir Anjum-the Hon,ble Chairman of the Technical Committee on Dairy Products.
 
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Farhat Raza <farha...@gmail.com> Dec 17 11:51PM ^

 
Dear Mr. Jahangir
 
Thanks for you comments
 
When milk standards were under dicsussion, I was part of the team working on
milk standards . At that time I was representing Dairy Pakistan. The team
consisted of prominent figures from private and government organisations.
According to my memory, the standards under discussion were quite straight
forward and were phrased based on the international dairy standards keeping
in mind the human safety as a key element. I have not seen the final
approved standards and might be available with PSQCA.
 
In my past I have worked with various dairy processing organisations at
national and international levels and has no hesitation to mention here that
dairy process industry has some system in place where milk supplied to the
factory goes through a series of qualitative tests may be more than 20 in
number. Each test adds some cost the the product but still the tests are
being done to verify the qualitative status of milk. So under the present
circumstances in Pakistan, at least process industry has some system in
place. We have to keep in mind that only 3 to 4% of the total milk goes to
process industry. What about the remaining 97% unprocessed milk being sold
to consumer in loose form without having any qualitative / quantitative
check??? Unfortunately the responsible government / semi government
organisations fail to implement the standards and unhealthy loose milk is
supplied to the consumer. I think we should focus on this 97% portion as
well.
 
Coming to the actual issue of Malamine, I personally agree that the issue
should be addressed seriously to eliminate the source of this adultration.
 
I am in UK now and give consultancy services in food safety program based
on HACCP, QMS and other food manufacturing projects etc. Here I would like
to mention that it is very important to adopt basic HACCP philosophy at
dairy farm level.
 
 
 
 
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[Salman Saeed]

Dear All:

AOA,

 

 Please see the followinfg link that might be helpful in the present discussion about melamine in milk:

http://www.afic.org/qanda.php?news_id=816&start=0&category_id=20&parent_id=20&arcyear=&arcmonth=

 

From the email of Kirmani Sahib (decided the intentional addition/use of Melamine), it seems like that the intentional addition of melamine in milk is allowed according to PSQCA.

Although the 2.5 ppm as permissible limit is set, however, delibertae addition of melamine in milk is illegal according to FAO/WHO Codex Alimentarius.

 

Wassalam,

 

Salman Saeed

FBRC

PCSIR Labs Complex

Lahore 

[M Jahangir]

Dear Farhat Sahib

Hope you can guide the members to a good milk testing lab, where a
full spectrum of milk analysis can be had at a reasonable rate

Rgds
Moderator

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