Extremely fundamental bugs

[tallrob]

This is my third time returning to Flux, hoping at the very least for a stable application.  But once again, within the first 15 minutes, I find a show stopper.  But I always have so much hope for Flux, that it can be the Dreamweaver Killer that it claims to be, and so here I am, giving someone a chance to show me that I'm the one making the error.

Here goes:

To keep this example simple and scientific, Let's begin with the built-in template called Earthlings.  It has a very simple structure- index.html, earthlings folder for images, earthlings.css and so on.  But I need to build a more complex site, so I'm going to rename a few things before I begin duplicating.  Basically, I want to rename the images folder to assets, then change the links within the css, and then change that to main.css and change any links to it.  No matter what order I do this in, Flux gets lost.  If I rename earthlings.css to main.css,  and then go in and change the link in the html head, main.css shows in the Styles window but it's empty.  If I look at main.css in the finder or open it externally, it's all there, full of styles, but the ONLY way to get Flux to see it is to quit the application and reopen.  I've tried this ten different ways, in different orders, and it just doesn't work.  Very fundamental.

Then the images folder.  I changed the images folder name first, but then all the image links in the css just vanish.  If I change the css first, it takes, and then I can change the folder name, but flux never displays the images in the Edit window or the Preview window.  Again, the only thing I can do is quit and reopen Flux.

Extremely frustrating.  Unless I find that I'm making an error, or its a permissions thing or whatnot, I can't trust Flux to go on with my project.  Too many times in the past I've pulled my hair out trying to be patient while the Escapers worked out the bugs in the Undo system, or I helped troubleshoot why half my code was spontaneously vanishing.

I hope for the best.  

Rob

[gbue...@me.com]

I was able to do everything you suggested without problem. The most I
needed to do was close and reopen the index.file. Perhaps I got lucky
in my order of operations, but Flux was able to adjust. It might not
be the perfect environment, able to deal with every idiosyncrasy of my
established workflow, but I find if I take a breath and relax my need
for this program to be the same as the others, it works and I am able
to discover a new, more sensible approach to accomplishing my goals.

Your millage may very.

Glen

[Dave]

I've noted the flux releases have slowed to a crawl, and I too have given up on flux making changes to things that really bother me. The text editor and code coming out are just toooo messy and bloated for me. I'm looking for flux to be version 4 soon, I figure that's what is up with the fixes not coming regularly anymore. I don't think I'll be on that ship. The code below says enough.
my version:
#footer {
-webkit-border-radius: 0 0 10px 10px;
-moz-border-radius: 0 0 10px 10px;
<!-- actually all I need is the statement below with current firefox, safari, internet explorer and chrome -->
border-radius: 0 0 10px 10px
}
<!--yes there is actually padding added as well but I'm just showing the part of the code flux goes nuts on. Backgrounds cause similar fits of insanity -->

flux version:
#footer {
-webkit-border-top-left-radius:0;
border-top-left-radius:0;
-o-border-top-left-radius:0;
-ms-border-top-left-radius:0;
-moz-border-radius-topleft:0;
-webkit-border-top-right-radius:0;
border-top-right-radius:0;
-o-border-top-right-radius:0;
-ms-border-top-right-radius:0;
-moz-border-radius-topright:0;
-webkit-border-bottom-right-radius:10px;
border-bottom-right-radius:10px;
-o-border-bottom-right-radius:10px;
-ms-border-bottom-right-radius:10px;
-moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px;
-webkit-border-bottom-left-radius:10px;
border-bottom-left-radius:10px;
-o-border-bottom-left-radius:10px;
-ms-border-bottom-left-radius:10px;
-moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px;
}

As I'm probably parting ways with flux after 3 versions I'm asking that someone interested in pursuing this take over the group. I can never remember your name but the gentleman who maintains the wiki would be a perfect candidate. Or if your listening MT you too of course.

Dave

[Kat]

I also have noticed the bloated text, as well as a few other issues. I
am somewhat of a newbie at web design, but have given myself a crash
course in HTML & CSS. But because of the Flux issues I am looking for
a different software to use. I have tried Sandvox, Rapidweaver &
Freeway but they are all a little too basic and limited for my
website. Also tried Dreamweaver but it seems a bit over my head.
Anybody know of another software that is right in between; somewhat
WYSIWYG, but also lets me at the HTML & CSS? Any help would be
appreciated!

- Kath

[David Miers]

I will say this, Rapidweaver can be taken as far as your willing or know how to take it. It's only too often skipped over as being locked into a narrow group of templates. Better templates are available, I'd check seydoggy's site for some. There are also sdk kits to write your own templates from scratch. You have html pages with have the option to include the theme or not at all. At this point you could just be pasting in from a text editor an entire site for example that would be limited only by your knowledge.

A lot of rapidweaver folks wind up being some pretty savy coders believe it or not!

Dave

[Kathi Misterly]

thanks, I'll check it out. Is that what you are leaning towards?

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xoxo
Kath

[John Hesselberth]

Hi Kath,

I'm looking for the same thing with not much luck so far. The closest I have found is Adobe GoLive CS but it doesn't run on Lion (OS 10.7). I have a copy of it and am keeping an external hard drive with 10.6.8. That is working for me for the time being. If you want to go that way you might be able to find a Mac copy of GoLive CS on ebay or some other auction site.

Hopefully someone will have a better lead.

Regards,

John

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[Kathi Misterly]

I was just playing with Rage Webdesign and it seems pretty good, but they don't have ANY tutorials on how to get started! urggghhhh. So for now I'm laying out in flux and importing to Dreamweaver to try and trim down the HTML.

xoxo
Kath

[tallrob]

Kath,

The beauty of Flux is that it's EXACTLY what you're looking for.  Flux 3 was buggy as hell, and at first so was 4 but it seems much more stable now.  I have to say, it's the best tool out there, in theory, and the reason I'm sticking with it is that the developers are responsive and really care to get the bugs worked out.  With history and Lion's autosave enabled, I'm much happier because crashes are no longer causing me to lose data.  I don't mind a crash as long as I don't lose time.

As the OP of this thread, I'd like to urge people to stick with Flux and continue supporting it, since that's the only way it's going to become what it was meant to be.

Rob

[Marcintosh]

I'm always searching for the perfect software.  One that I can just USE.  Flux was one hope until I printed the manual and on the title page it said "Getting Start with Mac Flux"  Getting Start isn't a good omen it went on to ignore simple things that make a manual useful like numbered figures/images, colored arrows that have the correct color mentioned in the text and the extensive use of spell check.  

Try Blue Griffon- I got a simple page and didn't even print the manual much less look for the PDF of it.  I admit that I haven't used it much but it's free so there's that.

You see, I don't think that you should need to spend a fortune for the software and it shouldn't take a month of reading or buying educational videos and books to use it.

Dreamweaver is more for sites like General Motors or E commerce at it's price range.  I'm not a GM coder and I don't want to be even with my MS in e-media, I insist on the right tool for the job - it's out there I just haven't found it.

Marcintosh

On Monday, August 27, 2012 10:03:40 AM UTC-4, ewiser wrote:

I have used GoLive, Dreamweaver, and Rapidweaver besides straight text editor.
I have always held hope that we would get to a point in the development tools for web pages that we would be fighting with the tools we use to get the basic code right. I just want to design a site visually and worry about how the site works.
An how the information is conveyed with the code itself being handled by the software we use to design with. I can remember when basic text editors you had to know the code to write a paper with and how we where able to move on from that after a few years to software that handled the code properly where this did not become an issue. Hopefully someday we can get Web editors to that point.

[Nicholas Virgo]

Marcintosh

I am not a web-programmer / designer either and I don't know which version of Flux /Mac Flux you were using. However, I would have thought that if one has the nous to get a simple page out of Blue Griffon then it would be no great feat to get one out of Flux too. Maybe not.

I agree with you that badly sub-edited manuals are a pain, especially when written by geeks who make all kinds of assumptions about their readers' levels of understanding. However, I have just checked my copy of the MacFlux guide_v3 and cannot find the particular typo you mention. Figures are not labelled true, but the illustrations are directly adjacent to relevant, clear, bite-sized pieces of text. The 'Flux Quickstart Guide', in conjunction with an introductory video tutorial on the The Escapers website, had me up and running within an hour and a half. This was for the extremely buggy Flux 3 (rather than Flux 4) so - all in all - it did a good job.

For me, Flux has been the best of all the web software that I have tried. This has included Dreamweaver, Kompozer, Freeway and Blue Griffon. Flux's immediacy makes it fun to use and the ease of comparing code with the wysiswyg aspect means that my knowledge of code has grown exponentially over the past months

I get the impression that The Escapers who programme Flux are an extremely small team. Kudos to them if it is so.

Nick