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[00:00:07] Ryan McBeth: Who's pulling the strings? Iran's goal here is to get the Houthis to shut down the Red Sea. Iran can't afford an aircraft carrier. Iran can't afford battle groups. Iran can't send multiple divisions of troops overseas, but they can fund terror and they can fund proxies. And if you can fund a proxy that will do that stuff for you, then maybe you don't need an aircraft carrier. Iran is pulling the strings.
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[00:01:28] All right, today, another installment in our Out of the Loop series. This one on Yemen and especially the Houthis Rebels. We don't have time to cover all of Yemeni history or what's going on there, but essentially Yemen is a giant mess. You've probably heard about the ships, the cargo ships. That are being hit with random missiles from Houthis Rebels. We're going to talk about why Houthis rebels are shooting cargo ships with missiles, why they're landing helicopters on them and hijacking them, why they're launching missiles over Saudi Arabia and Israel, why Yemen and Saudi Arabia are in conflict.
[00:02:21] Ryan McBeth: I guess, I don't feel like a big deal, but Substack actually invited me out to their offices in San Francisco, where I talk to them about how they could do video better.
[00:02:31] Jordan Harbinger: Yeah. Tell me a little bit about what you're doing on, I know this is like a shameless plug, but it is interesting. It's Substack iss like a, what would you describe it? Like if you're a journalist and you don't work for a major newspaper, you can write stuff that's good and people can subscribe to you and you get distribution without just having to like scream into the void. It is giving people voice that they maybe wouldn't have gotten to have otherwise.
[00:02:51] Ryan McBeth: You're absolutely correct. That's basically what Substack is. It allows people who are independent journalists to put out what they call newsletters. Well, that's a very '90s kind of term, right? But recently, Substack pivoted into video, and one of the problems that I get on YouTube is that YouTube, they've changed a lot of their policies to the point where you can barely show anything anymore.
[00:03:15] Ryan McBeth: If there's violence or even a little bit of nudity, that can be questionable. Or even just talking about sensitive subjects because you know, what are they trying to do, they're trying to sell makeup, right?
[00:03:32] Jordan Harbinger: No, that's fine. They used to sponsor the show and you can find their code on our website at jordanharbinger.com/deals. Uh, it probably doesn't work anymore, but you could try it.
[00:03:40] No, the thing that I find disturbing about YouTube, and we won't go too far down this rabbit hole because we have a show to do, but like I did a show with Mosab Hassan, Yousef, the Green Prince of Hamas. It got one point, I don't even know, three million views and counting, of course, it got demonetized and I was like, why? And the answer is because it showed graphic depictions of violence. Wait, how did two dudes talking on a webcam show graphic depictions of violence? Oh, it didn't. But a bunch of a-h*les who like didn't like that guy's message, just reported it. Got it. Demonetized.
[00:04:20] Ryan McBeth: Even though we're shooting blanks on these exercises. So, you know, there there's not a lot you can do, but Substack is kind of the saving grace because people can watch for free, or if you want, give me five bucks.
[00:04:31] Ryan McBeth: And I've built an audience around that and people trust the intelligence and also it allows people to, let's say you're in the military, when I do an intelligence assessment, I put all of my receipts up online. So any PowerPoints that I do, any satellite footage. So if you're a soldier and your first sergeant says to you, "Hey, I need you to give me an intelligence successor on the Houthis tomorrow, you can either run around like a chicken with your head cut off, or you can go on to Ryan McBeth Substack, ryanmcbeth.substack.com, type in Houthis and boom, now you have a PowerPoint. Now you have a briefing and they have all this awesome stuff that you can use and it saves you a lot of time.
[00:05:13] Speaking of Houthis, I would love to learn more about this because I know Yemen's a mess. I know a few people who've been there and they can't go there anymore, or they've left there and they can't go back anymore. And I have asked many cab driver in New York City about whenever they're from Yemen, I mean, it's just like, uh, take me to the airport and back because I want to hear about Yemen and a lot of them surprise, surprise, don't have a lot of love for the Houthis. Some of them do. So it's obviously not just a very black and white obvious situation. Like I never talked to anybody who was like, ISIS is great, right?
[00:05:47] So there's obviously a little more nuance here, but the Houthis, aside from being in the news here and there about the Yemen war with Saudi Arabia and all this stuff, now they are suddenly taking over cargo ships in the, what is it? The Red Sea?
[00:06:01] Jordan Harbinger: And I'm thinking, wait a minute, these guys are like. I envision them living in corrugated metal huts and now they're landing a helicopter on a moving ship. What's going on here?
[00:06:09] Ryan McBeth: Not, not quite. So the Houthis Rebellion basically started in 2014, but if you want to get technical, we can go all the way back to the year 632, which was the year the Prophet Muhammad died. This really does go back that far. So essentially the Prophet Muhammad passed away in the year 632. There were two schools of thought. There was one school of thought that the caliphs literally a ruling council, they should be the rifle heirs of Islam. And then other people thought that Ali, who was the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad, Ali should take over.
[00:06:48] It should be a lineage of the prophet Muhammad. The people who believed in the caliphs, they became the Sunni Muslims. The people who believed in Ali became the Shia Muslims. And there was this group called the Zaydis. Well, there was a gentleman named Ali ibn Zayd, who was the son-in-law or the great, great-grandson of Ali. And he actually went to the colleagues in Saudi Arabia, and I think it was in the year 740. He said to the caliphs like, "I think you guys are corrupt. This isn't right. We think that the true inheritor of Islam should be someone from Muhammad's family." They disagreed there was a civil war and he was killed.
[00:07:34] So the Houthis are actually from a small tribe in the northwestern part of Yemen, and they call themselves Zaydis and they have a strong anti-corruption bent to them. They hate it when they see corruption.
[00:08:03] Ryan McBeth: That's correct. And some small parts of Southern Saudi Arabia or Shia as well. Iraq is, at least the southern part of Iraq is mostly Shia. And you know, a lot of people when they look at Shia and Sunni Islam, they make the mistake of equating it to Catholics and the Protestants fighting. And that's not quite true because for the longest time, Sunni and Shia, they would live peacefully, side by side with each other. They would intermarry. So what we're seeing now isn't necessarily a conflict between Sunni and Shia. It's a conflict between Saudi Arabia who wants to maintain power in Iran, who is a growing power. So I ran, kind of corrupts that Shia ideology to get people to do their bidding.
[00:08:50] Jordan Harbinger: Okay, so, but why Yemen? Because when I think, okay, I'm Iran, I'm Saudi Arabia. I want to maintain or gain power in the region. I'm going to go after one of the poorest countries in the entire world that's completely fallen apart and I'm going to die on that hill.
[00:09:03] Ryan McBeth: It's not the hill that you're dying on, it's the Bab al-Mandab Strait. If we look at Yemen, I'm trying, you know, I know a lot of people are listening to this, not viewing it.
[00:09:58] Ryan McBeth: So it's a very strategic location. So if Iran can influence actors that can influence the Red Sea and the Bab al-Mandab Strait, now you have control over a significant part of global commerce.
[00:10:11] Jordan Harbinger: I see. It's almost like Yemen is kind of a, like Turkey, how we put up with so much crap in NATO from Turkey because well, they control the bosphorus and we really don't want them to let the Russian Navy through so to the Black Sea. So we're kind of, kind of let them harbor Hamas terrorists and like just not dredge up drama because we want them to let Sweden into NATO and play ball with us.
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