RE: FLOSS-HYD: Nice article
Deepak Shukla
Finally my turn to talk!
A major problem with Open source database is support. There is no body
accountable and dedicated to help out oraganizations using opensource
(Except Linux).
My experience is that profitable organizartions dont really care about
spending money as long as it ensures smooth running of their bussoness.
Thats the reason companies like Oracle which owns the most reliable and
advanced DB system has a huge support team of thousands of engineers. They
are heavily paid to support their own databases.
Do you guys know any dependable real-time support team for open source
databases?
Did I start a long discussion just now? :)
Regards,
Deepak Shukla
-----Original Message-----
From: Vikram Kumar
To: FLOSS-H...@googlegroups.com
Sent: 07/02/06 03:03
Subject: FLOSS-HYD: Nice article
Hi,
Nice article about how MySQL/Ingres/Postgres are eating into the share
of Oracle/IBM/Microsoft DBs.
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Chao,
Vikram.
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--- Deepak Shukla <Deepak...@Sierraatlantic.com>
wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Finally my turn to talk!
>
> A major problem with Open source database is
> support. There is no body
> accountable and dedicated to help out oraganizations
> using opensource
> (Except Linux).
Well, There __are__ people who are accountable. As a
developer or maintainer of a software he is
accountable for fixing the bugs/problem in software
(depending on his/her work load). If the developer can
not help you for any reason then you can seek the help
of the community or hire someone to do the job or fix
the problem yourself.
> My experience is that profitable organizartions dont
> really care about
> spending money as long as it ensures smooth running
> of their bussoness.
Despite your amicable idea of starting a discussion on
FLOSS, I find major flaws in presentation of
arguments. Allow me to state certain facts about the
growth and development of FLOSS.
(A) Free Software development has its roots in the
hacker movement which predates the software industry.
It basic tenant was in sharing and mutual co-operation
as a community.
(B) The basic elements of Free/Libre Open Source
development models lies in resource driven
development.
(viz.. people wrote software for the devices(hardware)
they had, and often tried to utilize the resource to
its maximum.)
(C) The UNIX and Internet evolved in a mutually
implicit manner. These projects in concert with the
mirco-processor and personal computing hardware
enhancements were instrumental in the growth of
Software Industry.
The problem is when you state 'There is no support for
FLOSS' lies in the lack of understanding of the basic
tenants of FLOSS.
Cheers
--arky
Deepak Shukla
As I was afraid, you missed the BIG picture. It is not about FLOSS. It is
about use of OpenSource Databases for real time operations.
Its not that I dont like Opensource or the quality of these products are
worse than anyone else in the market.
What I mean to say is that when my database stops running "Select..."
statement due to some underlying bug (not in application layer but database
itself), I dont know which community will help me out for sure and if they
can not who will be responsible for it?
That's what I meant by accountability. I am not saying it by my own from top
of my head but based on general talk with several people. But this
absolutely not correct in case of OpenSource OS or other utility softwares
since they do not normally impact the real time data.
I dont wish to offend anyone but sincerely dont you think it is a genuine
issue?
Regards,
Deepak Shukla
Cheers
--arky
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Rakesh 'arky' Ambati
wrote:
>
> Hi Rakesh,
>
Please call me 'arky'.
> As I was afraid, you missed the BIG picture. It is
> not about FLOSS. It is
> about use of OpenSource Databases for real time
> operations.
Well Deepak, Personally I have used MySQL and couple
of other RDMS database systems. We maintained and used
these databases with fulled GPL'ed software for couple
of years in high traffic environment.
>
> What I mean to say is that when my database stops
> running "Select..."
> statement due to some underlying bug (not in
> application layer but database
> itself), I dont know which community will help me
> out for sure and if they
> can not who will be responsible for it?
Yes, often some distributions bundle latest version of
database software without going through proper QA
processes wherein some major bugs appear in production
machines. But it is a very rare.
I think couple years back we had such an issue wherein
the company management needed to have support from
Free Software database vendor and I think MySQL AB had
provided that kind of payed support.
>
> I dont wish to offend anyone but sincerely dont you
> think it is a genuine
> issue?
>
Nay, we are having a good discussion. It would be fun
unless we resort to blows and kicks ;o)
Cheers
--arky
Vikram Kumar
>My experience is that profitable organizartions dont really care about
spending money as long as it ensures smooth running of their bussoness.
Thats the reason companies like Oracle which owns the most reliable and
advanced DB system has a huge support team of thousands of engineers. They
are heavily paid to support their own databases.
>Do you guys know any dependable real-time support team for open source databases?
--Albert Einstein
subramanya srinivas rao
multiple sources of support can be better than getting support from only one single vendor especially when that vendor provides bad support or refuses to continue, ofcourse generally never happens with the top one's but jus a chance.............
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Rakesh 'arky' Ambati
wrote:
> hi vikram,
>
> multiple sources of support can be better than
> getting support from only one single vendor
> especially when that vendor provides bad support or
> refuses to continue, ofcourse generally never
> happens with the top one's but jus a
> chance.............
>
Yes, that's the spirit of FLOSS.
Perhaps technical queries may not always be properly
answered in your local/regional user groups. In that
case you can try the software developers official
mailing-list itself. They are usually the best and
quickest way getting your problem solved. Do remember
to file a proper bug report with fullest information
if required. Developers always welcome feedback, bug
reports and a kudos or two.
If nothing works then you can send a personal email to
one of the active developers of the project.
Developers are always ready to help you if you ask
them nicely ;o)
Cheers
--arky