Zorin Os Default Password

[Claribel Szwaja]

Theissue I'm having is with trying to make changes that require an admin logon. With all previous installations of Linux (SuSe, Ubuntu, Mit etc) I have completed, the initial user setup during the install process creates an admin account and associated rights. However, when installing Zorin, despite creating an 'admin' account in Live mode, the account defaults to a standard user when fully installed post restart, so when trying to change account type, I'm unable to authenticate as I don't know what the password is. Is there a default password or am I missing something really basic?

Once you choose to install Zorin OS, you will be greeted with the Ubiquity installer during which you must set up your User Name and Password. These steps must be completed in order to proceed through the installation to finish.

Yes, as part of the installation process on Zorin I've set up an account but the account type for it is 'custom' trying to change this to Admin then prompts me to authenticate with an admin password that I don't have.

After swearing I'd never touch Linux again, I downloaded Zorin 17.1 just last night in the hope that it will be easier than Mint in terms of usability. Absolutely no disrespect to Mint, which looks great and performs very well - I suspect that my difficulty is not with any distro but with Linux itself. Specifically, the installation of programs. Packages where I can click and install are great, but I grew increasingly frustrated by the regular prompts to use the console with half a dozen "get this/get that" commands. Yes, I'm soft after so may years on Windows where a click on a .exe does the work, but I don't understand why Linux, knowing what it needs to install, demands that I spend time typing abstruse commands to get the job done.

Even on the subject of being a replacement, It won't happen, too much fragmentation of the OS, did Windows 3/NT/XP allow OS/2 to get its foot firmly in the door by allowing fragmentation of the WinX desktop?

Yes various versions in the Enterprise world may work, but Linux for consumers needs to be a single desktop environment so users get that constant familar interface with the minimum of bundled apps, like back in the Win3 days and then everything a general user wants installed through an app store, leave the console to the die hard techies. What happens under skin is up to the Linux developer, the user doesn't care or need to know, sadly it will never happen, as I can't see the Linux community coming together to achieve this.

Of all the reasons why Linux isn't considered a replacement, this is right down the bottom of the list. The way you install an application on the Mac is a piece of piss even compared to Windows itself. Yet both the Mac and Linux don't have the marketshare of Windows at a desktop/laptop level.

The reason Linux isn't "seen as a replacement" is down to legacy applications and long standing stubbornness of the only application in the world that can do a job must be a Windows application. Look at the recent article regarding Outlook and how many people are so entrenched in Outlook's way of doing things they have no idea how well other non-Microsoft applications work with Exchange/O365 for email.

It isn't a case of Linux being a replacement for Windows any more, in my opinion. People who know there is a different, better way of doing things have long since left Windows. Whether they've gone to Linux or Mac is irrelevant really. People who can't see an alternative to Windows will never see the alternative because of a myriad of different reasons, and that will be down to old habits and a fear (or even refusal) to modify their way of working to try something new.

Firmly agree with this especially about the 'it must be Windows' people, They will have spent so much effort on learning how each new version of Windows works and this could now need repeating several times a year as unrequested updates get deployed but learning to use Linux/Mac is 'too much work'

You mention Outlook and this is a perfect example in business where 'it came included so must be best' which had some traction when home use was also Outlook but these days it is more likely to be on a tablet rather than a PC so that argument has time expired. The MS lock-in is very much a poisoned chalice yet many businesses still sip from it as a result of MS Sales people who should be on 6 figure salaries for their ability to convince the C-Suite to sign yet another contract

I must respectfully disagree with the phrase "They will have spent so much effort on learning how each new version of Windows works". I'd estimate about 80% of our user-base never learn how Windows works, all they want after any upgrade is for the 5 or 6 icons on their desktop to still do the thing they always have.

Exactly. Most computer users don't know or care what OS is on the thing, so long as it gets the job done. How quaint? They don't care about the model of taxi they take, bus they ride or plane the fly on, either. Strange? Linux evangelists can be so tedious about Windows heresy sometimes but we abide. I use Linux because it gets my jobs done, My wife's corporate Windows machine gets her jobs done. Then we have dinner...

The multitude of different package managers and dependency controllers like Snap that are not even associated with one distro, people go looking for instructions on the web, they get instructions for RPM they need APT. There are dozens of similar scenarios. I am used to this but I don't want to have to clutter up with Snap and Flatpak or whatever. Not to mention being told to download the source and build it then it fails and they have to figure out what switches.

I would like to use the latest version of Musescore. It comes as an AppImage only. Which doesn't work - let alone "just work" because my fully updated latest release of Linux Mint doesn't contain the right C library.

The volunteer/hobbyist nature of FOSS does tend to lead to stuff that works, for most people most of the time. But if there's a glitch or a use case that doesn't interest the devs it will never get resolved.

Which in one sense is reasonable. OTOH when I've dome volunteer work I've done all the jobs needed, not just the fun ones. Yes, as a volunteer in the Community Library I worked with the public and sat on the committee- which I enjoyed. But I also tidied the shelves and cleaned the kitchen. Which is boring but has to be done

I agree about 365 dependency, but with MS merging the look and feel and functionality of the apps and online versions, most average users could use 365 in the Edge browser on a linux desktop. Yes, Edge for linux exists and would be ideal for MS users on linux.

The reason Linux isn't "seen as a replacement" is down to legacy applications and long standing stubbornness of the only application in the world that can do a job must be a Windows application.

The gamble which is any attempt to print or use sound in Linux doesn't help. I write as one who has only Linux installed on the five computers I have in regular use. I'm currently using, for example, a Thinkpad with Linux Mint on it which absolutely will not print to my Brother laser printer, whether I try to connect by USB, directly over the network or as a shared printer. The same printer works fine with a desktop running the same Linux.

I had issues with printing to a Brother laser printer via Linux Mint when I switched my mom's now decade-old desktop over to Mint from Windows 10 last year. I wound up needing a different driver than what Mint was trying to use, but I got it working.

Disclaimer: I haven't had a Windows system since the G4 PowerMacs came out, so my only exposure to it in over two decades is through institutional machines, or spending a lot of time at Google helping the people I work with catch up with technology that they missed out on because they were in prison for about that time frame.

Yeah. My father was one of those Windows die-hards because it was "familiar" no matter how much it changed between iterations. My mother, OTOH is one of those non-technical people who doesn't care and had me use her card to buy her a Macbook, and the help requests have plummeted. But even Microsoft's almost Stockholm Syndrome users isn't the only reason for its continued dominance. Inertia and the nature of the alternatives help keep it in place.

Apple doesn't do the low-range hardware, so you're paying an up-front premium that locks out people who can't afford, or at least aren't willing to pay the cost for something new and different. Further, the so-called "power user" things that people familiar with Windows can do isn't going to happen on a Mac, unless you either use the UNIX command-line or install something that puts a pretty GUI over what it's doing through the command-line[1]. While it's brilliant from an OS-design perspective, locking the average user out of things that can fsck the system, real "freedom"[2] with the OS requires a steep learning curve. Building one's own and most repair/upgrades also isn't going to happen with Mac. This isn't a deal-breaker for me, and it is my primary platform, but it is one for plenty of people.

Linux has so many choices, your average person isn't going to know where to start. Ubuntu/Mint do the same thing Apple do with having limited GUI options for "power users" and dump you at the command-line or installing some utility to do the CLI stuff for you if you want to go beyond that. SUSE has YAST, for that sort of thing, but is a bit more work to get going as a distro. Then, there are the sort of QoL issues that arise from a system that isn't completely integrated/designed to offer a consistent experience. While much better than it was even 10 years ago, I still have odd sound and Bluetooth issues cropping up, the latter at least a few times a week. Even the non-rolling version of my distro, while obviously more stable/reliable has crap pop up from time to time and looking for answers online, even from good communities is much more intimidating than just calling someone like Microsoft or Apple. Then there is the whole issue with software compatibility. If an essential application doesn't have a native port, Linux is *much* less attractive. Having to run something you rely on through WINE is a strong disincentive. If there was something akin to Steamplay for productivity software, or the changes to the Flathub rules meaning more native ports, perhaps this issue could be better resolved. While I do hope that happens, intimidation is going to make it less attractive, although amusingly enough, I will get off my arse one of these to dual-boot my Intel Mac with Linux for gaming.

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