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Tom Chiverton
Feb 14, 2009, 3:14:55 AM2/14/09
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We should get behind events like http://www.bugquash.com/ too.
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Tom
Tom Ortega
Feb 14, 2009, 8:11:15 AM2/14/09
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Funny you should mention those.
We'll be having one such event at 360|Flex Indy. We're still working out the details, but expect an announcement soon.
Thanks,
Tom Ortega
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We'll be having one such event at 360|Flex Indy. We're still working out the details, but expect an announcement soon.
Thanks,
Tom Ortega
360Conferences, Inc.
cell: 951.212.9686 | twitter/skype: lordbron
lordbron.wordpress.com | www.OurStartupStory.com | www.360conferences.com | www.360flex.com | www.360iDev.com
Simeon Bateman
Feb 14, 2009, 10:13:53 AM2/14/09
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I am working with Nate and Marty (the organizers of this event) to
ensure this is huge. They have not quite pinned down a date, but are
working with adobe to use the seattle offices.
I have been visiting with several of the memebers of this group over
IM about this event, I was just waiting till they get a couple detail
locked down before bringing it up here.
Now that Adobe is actually listening to the community, I see this
event as a way to show them the community is ready to actually get
involved. I consider this an orientation to becoming an SDK
developer.
As soon as more information is locked down I am hoping the commitee
can blog the hell out of it to raise awareness. I also hope we can
find away to get everyone here invovled on the day of.
They will be broadcasting live from the event, so I am gonna work with
racheal (UGM Manager) to help User groups do local remote events day
of. I am trying to sort out some kind of contest with prizes to
encourage submissions.
I really think this can be an amazing event and I want to do all i can
to make it so.
More info to come :)
sim
ensure this is huge. They have not quite pinned down a date, but are
working with adobe to use the seattle offices.
I have been visiting with several of the memebers of this group over
IM about this event, I was just waiting till they get a couple detail
locked down before bringing it up here.
Now that Adobe is actually listening to the community, I see this
event as a way to show them the community is ready to actually get
involved. I consider this an orientation to becoming an SDK
developer.
As soon as more information is locked down I am hoping the commitee
can blog the hell out of it to raise awareness. I also hope we can
find away to get everyone here invovled on the day of.
They will be broadcasting live from the event, so I am gonna work with
racheal (UGM Manager) to help User groups do local remote events day
of. I am trying to sort out some kind of contest with prizes to
encourage submissions.
I really think this can be an amazing event and I want to do all i can
to make it so.
More info to come :)
sim
Brian Holmes
Feb 14, 2009, 10:50:26 AM2/14/09
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Sim,
That'd be cool. I run the user group here in Fort Collins and we've
been talking about having a code jam, doing something in collaboration
with adobe groups and bugquash would be fun. I don't want to fix flex
3 bugs, tho. I'd be much more interested in working on Gumbonents.
Also, it's not mentioned on their site but how are they going to make
it where everyone is not stepping on each other's toes. It'd be a
bummer to work all morning on a bug only to find that another group
beat you to it.
Brian..
That'd be cool. I run the user group here in Fort Collins and we've
been talking about having a code jam, doing something in collaboration
with adobe groups and bugquash would be fun. I don't want to fix flex
3 bugs, tho. I'd be much more interested in working on Gumbonents.
Also, it's not mentioned on their site but how are they going to make
it where everyone is not stepping on each other's toes. It'd be a
bummer to work all morning on a bug only to find that another group
beat you to it.
Brian..
Simeon Bateman
Feb 14, 2009, 11:31:09 AM2/14/09
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I think that could be fine Brian.
We are working on a dashboard that will allow everyone to communicate
and see whats going on. Teams will accept bugs and it will be listed
who is working on what. So we should be able to keep things sorted
out. Thats my goal anyway.
On that note, we could try to find out what gumbonents Adobe is not
planning to fit into the release and we can work on those. Things
like date picker and datagrid come to mind, but datagrid might be
bigger than a one day jam.
I will let you know more as it comes about.
Thanks,
sim
On Feb 14, 7:50 am, Brian Holmes <brian.josep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sim,
> That'd be cool. I run the user group here in Fort Collins and we've
> been talking about having a code jam, doing something in collaboration
> with adobe groups and bugquash would be fun. I don't want to fix flex
> 3 bugs, tho. I'd be much more interested in working on Gumbonents.
> Also, it's not mentioned on their site but how are they going to make
> it where everyone is not stepping on each other's toes. It'd be a
> bummer to work all morning on a bug only to find that another group
> beat you to it.
>
> Brian..
>
We are working on a dashboard that will allow everyone to communicate
and see whats going on. Teams will accept bugs and it will be listed
who is working on what. So we should be able to keep things sorted
out. Thats my goal anyway.
On that note, we could try to find out what gumbonents Adobe is not
planning to fit into the release and we can work on those. Things
like date picker and datagrid come to mind, but datagrid might be
bigger than a one day jam.
I will let you know more as it comes about.
Thanks,
sim
On Feb 14, 7:50 am, Brian Holmes <brian.josep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sim,
> That'd be cool. I run the user group here in Fort Collins and we've
> been talking about having a code jam, doing something in collaboration
> with adobe groups and bugquash would be fun. I don't want to fix flex
> 3 bugs, tho. I'd be much more interested in working on Gumbonents.
> Also, it's not mentioned on their site but how are they going to make
> it where everyone is not stepping on each other's toes. It'd be a
> bummer to work all morning on a bug only to find that another group
> beat you to it.
>
> Brian..
>
Doug McCune
Feb 14, 2009, 12:24:21 PM2/14/09
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I would also argue that the mentality of an event like this is not the best for creating new components, but is good for fixing existing bugs. The overall feeling is "ready, set, charge!" to start destroying bugs as fast as possible (not to say that bug fixing should be sloppy). But I don't think that an event that piles people into a room (or rooms around the country) and has a overtly competitive feel is good for creating components that take a lot of planning. I definitely don't want a community Gumbo DataGrid getting knocked out in a day (and I'd argue that a calendar control for a date chooser shouldn't be either). That's of course just my opinion, but my biggest fear would be that either
a) people would smash out sub-par components and Adobe would reject them an eventually make high quality ones themselves
b) people would smash out sub-par components and Adobe would accept them and we have sloppy components in the SDK
I don't think B is much of a possibility (heh, although given how much I bitch about advanced DG I shouldn't be so sure...), but both of those options are bad for everyone involved. The only good options would be:
c) people bang out perfect components that get into the SDK
d) people bang out decent components that get iterated on and serve as the basis for final SDK components (while saving the Adobe engineers or other community members work)
But again, given the rushed nature of events like this and the inherent competitve atmosphere, I just don't think that it would happen. Think about when you're on projects and suddenly you're down to the last 24 hours and you have to get crazy shit done. You're working like mad, cranking out loads of bug fixes, last minute features, etc, etc. In my experience (and maybe I just get sloppy) that is not when I want to be creating core components of an SDK (and especially not an SDK architected like Gumbo, which takes much more thinking and clear, simplified planning).
Doug
a) people would smash out sub-par components and Adobe would reject them an eventually make high quality ones themselves
b) people would smash out sub-par components and Adobe would accept them and we have sloppy components in the SDK
I don't think B is much of a possibility (heh, although given how much I bitch about advanced DG I shouldn't be so sure...), but both of those options are bad for everyone involved. The only good options would be:
c) people bang out perfect components that get into the SDK
d) people bang out decent components that get iterated on and serve as the basis for final SDK components (while saving the Adobe engineers or other community members work)
But again, given the rushed nature of events like this and the inherent competitve atmosphere, I just don't think that it would happen. Think about when you're on projects and suddenly you're down to the last 24 hours and you have to get crazy shit done. You're working like mad, cranking out loads of bug fixes, last minute features, etc, etc. In my experience (and maybe I just get sloppy) that is not when I want to be creating core components of an SDK (and especially not an SDK architected like Gumbo, which takes much more thinking and clear, simplified planning).
Doug
Adam Flater
Feb 14, 2009, 12:30:58 PM2/14/09
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I have to agree with Doug on this one. Complex components take a good deal of thoughtful engineering to implement... bug fixes usually do not. Part of this committee's responsibilities could be identifying spots that the SDK could use additions, and then nominating someone to create a community effort around individual efforts. We should be open with Adobe about this to make sure we're not duplicating any efforts that they're focusing on. Frankly, this seems like something we all do anyway, through blog, OS projects (FlexLib, Degrafa), or in client work. Wokring with Adobe to give our feedback on the state of the SDK and consolidating efforts to implement additions to the SDK seems a lot more productive than talking about branching our own SDK.
Thoughs?
Thoughs?
Simeon Bateman
Feb 14, 2009, 1:36:31 PM2/14/09
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Right, the focus of the event is on bug squashing.
But if Brian wanted to try to organize his group to build an actual
component I dont see anything wrong with that. They could still do it
on the buqquash day and be par the energy of that day.
The bugquash event is about tackling the community bugs and I want to
use it as a day to get people ready to start contributing on a regular
basis. To become familiar with the process and to get the credentials
that allow them to submit bugs.
I don't think any one at the event has any intentions of taking on new
development. But I still think we should find out which components
are being planned to be left out of the next release because this
group could be responsible for building some of those. I used the
datagrid as an example because Ryan had suggested it on the forum.
simeon
But if Brian wanted to try to organize his group to build an actual
component I dont see anything wrong with that. They could still do it
on the buqquash day and be par the energy of that day.
The bugquash event is about tackling the community bugs and I want to
use it as a day to get people ready to start contributing on a regular
basis. To become familiar with the process and to get the credentials
that allow them to submit bugs.
I don't think any one at the event has any intentions of taking on new
development. But I still think we should find out which components
are being planned to be left out of the next release because this
group could be responsible for building some of those. I used the
datagrid as an example because Ryan had suggested it on the forum.
simeon
Doug McCune
Feb 14, 2009, 1:51:32 PM2/14/09
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Sim,
You mentioned a dashboarding app to help coordinate during the event. Is this going to be a frontend to the JIRA bugbase? I've been thinking about putting together an app to ingest all the different RSS feeds from JIRA to present them in easier to understand form. I guess what I'm getting at is If you guys are going the route of using the JIRA backend and just adding a frontend on top of that, then I might be able to use some of that code too :) A solid AS3 library that would expose a lot of the JIRA functionality would be really sweet.
Doug
You mentioned a dashboarding app to help coordinate during the event. Is this going to be a frontend to the JIRA bugbase? I've been thinking about putting together an app to ingest all the different RSS feeds from JIRA to present them in easier to understand form. I guess what I'm getting at is If you guys are going the route of using the JIRA backend and just adding a frontend on top of that, then I might be able to use some of that code too :) A solid AS3 library that would expose a lot of the JIRA functionality would be really sweet.
Doug
Brian Holmes
Feb 14, 2009, 2:56:40 PM2/14/09
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I'd agree that a one day event of bug squashing isn't the best
environment for new development. Personally I'm not that interested in
fixing flex 3 bugs, but I'd put it to a vote of my user group to see
what those guys would be interested in doing at any rate.
environment for new development. Personally I'm not that interested in
fixing flex 3 bugs, but I'd put it to a vote of my user group to see
what those guys would be interested in doing at any rate.
Getting a list of intended components and using this group to
coordinate development would be a great use of this forum I think.
Having a front end to aggregate the jira bug db would be awesome too.
Tom Chiverton
Feb 14, 2009, 3:30:15 PM2/14/09
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> Getting a list of intended components and using this group to
> coordinate development would be a great use of this forum I think.
> Having a front end to aggregate the jira bug db would be awesome too.
> coordinate development would be a great use of this forum I think.
> Having a front end to aggregate the jira bug db would be awesome too.
Not least that I think a lot of people 'out there' are going to be
surprised that not every mx component is getting a matching
replacement in fx.
The conclusion they may make is that fx is not as complete at mx, that
it has launching a '.0' version with missing components.
--
Tom
Adam Flater
Feb 14, 2009, 6:56:54 PM2/14/09
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I really like the idea of identifying components that we believe the SDK lacks and creating a community based project to support implementing those missing pieces. Those of us who are willing can use our blogs, user groups, etc. to get a team setup that will help on a specific component from the list we generate as a commitee. We can treat members of this committee thing as delegates that will oversee the architecture and quality of the implementation. It would be the committee's responsibility to then review the components that have been created by the community. I hate getting too formal, but a process that we could define in a failry simple way would be great to be productive in these kinds of efforts.
Ben Clinkinbeard
Feb 14, 2009, 7:19:29 PM2/14/09
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Doesn't group formalization or rename need to be sorted out first? We never really came to a decision about that.
Adam Flater
Feb 14, 2009, 7:31:26 PM2/14/09
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Sorry.. I guess I tend to get ahead of myself.. you're right.
Simeon Bateman
Feb 19, 2009, 12:26:59 PM2/19/09
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The bugquash.com event is officially open for registration. If you
could find a minute to blog about this to help promote it that would
be awesome!
Thanks guys.
simeon
On Feb 14, 4:31 pm, Adam Flater <adamfla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry.. I guess I tend to get ahead of myself.. you're right.
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Ben Clinkinbeard <
>
could find a minute to blog about this to help promote it that would
be awesome!
Thanks guys.
simeon
On Feb 14, 4:31 pm, Adam Flater <adamfla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry.. I guess I tend to get ahead of myself.. you're right.
>
> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Ben Clinkinbeard <
>
Justin Reidy
Feb 19, 2009, 12:31:20 PM2/19/09
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Really digging the logo :)
On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Simeon Bateman wrote:
On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Simeon Bateman wrote:
> bugquash
Simeon Bateman
Feb 19, 2009, 1:08:42 PM2/19/09
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FYI, I posted on this and a review of the changes that Adobe has made
regarding the SDK.
http://blog.simb.net/2009/02/19/bugquash-event-finalized-community-contributions-required/
sim
regarding the SDK.
http://blog.simb.net/2009/02/19/bugquash-event-finalized-community-contributions-required/
sim
RJ Owen
Feb 20, 2009, 4:38:32 PM2/20/09
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Posted!
http://www.insideria.com/2009/02/bugquash---help-fix-flex.html
Brian, Adam, Tony, and any other Denverites: any interest in getting together somewhere for that day and doing our fixes together? I bet we could camp out at EUI in our spacious conference room, or some other neutral ground if you’re worried about our Wifi hacking your secrets. :)
RJ Owen
Senior Developer @ EffectiveUI / 303.204.2779
www.effectiveui.com
From: Simeon Bateman <simba...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <flex-sdk-commu...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:26:59 -0700
To: Flex SDK Community Committee <flex-sdk-commu...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: other parts of the community
http://www.insideria.com/2009/02/bugquash---help-fix-flex.html
Brian, Adam, Tony, and any other Denverites: any interest in getting together somewhere for that day and doing our fixes together? I bet we could camp out at EUI in our spacious conference room, or some other neutral ground if you’re worried about our Wifi hacking your secrets. :)
RJ Owen
Senior Developer @ EffectiveUI / 303.204.2779
www.effectiveui.com
From: Simeon Bateman <simba...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <flex-sdk-commu...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:26:59 -0700
To: Flex SDK Community Committee <flex-sdk-commu...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: other parts of the community
Brian Holmes
Feb 20, 2009, 4:48:54 PM2/20/09
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Bwahaha. You can hack my secrets, they're over on google code right
now. ( leave the pictures of your mom please ;) ) My user group is
going to be getting together that day. If they back out I'd definitely
be interested in getting together in D-Town. Or there might just be
one or two of us so we could make the trip. Was actually going to ask
rmaug if they wanted to do the user group get together thing again
like for the CS4 launch. But really I'm up for anything. Having a few
guys get together and really hammer on some of the more difficult bugs
might be alot more productive than a big group.
I'll keep everyone posted.
Brian..
now. ( leave the pictures of your mom please ;) ) My user group is
going to be getting together that day. If they back out I'd definitely
be interested in getting together in D-Town. Or there might just be
one or two of us so we could make the trip. Was actually going to ask
rmaug if they wanted to do the user group get together thing again
like for the CS4 launch. But really I'm up for anything. Having a few
guys get together and really hammer on some of the more difficult bugs
might be alot more productive than a big group.
I'll keep everyone posted.
Brian..
Michael Labriola
Feb 21, 2009, 6:08:12 PM2/21/09
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Who is running bugquash?
Simeon Bateman
Feb 23, 2009, 12:08:24 PM2/23/09
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Nate Beck and Marty Mickelson are in charge with help and support from
many others.
Nate has requested membership here in this group and contacted me to
find out about the status of that request.
Which of course brings up the problem, again, with having public
transcripts but no way for the public to participate. Still now sure
how we are supposed to deal with that.
thanks,
sim
many others.
Nate has requested membership here in this group and contacted me to
find out about the status of that request.
Which of course brings up the problem, again, with having public
transcripts but no way for the public to participate. Still now sure
how we are supposed to deal with that.
thanks,
sim
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Brian Holmes <brian.josep...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Bwahaha. You can hack my secrets, they're over on google code right
> > now. ( leave the pictures of your mom please ;) ) My user group is
> > going to be getting together that day. If they back out I'd definitely
> > be interested in getting together in D-Town. Or there might just be
> > one or two of us so we could make the trip. Was actually going to ask
> > rmaug if they wanted to do the user group get together thing again
> > like for the CS4 launch. But really I'm up for anything. Having a few
> > guys get together and really hammer on some of the more difficult bugs
> > might be alot more productive than a big group.
>
> > I'll keep everyone posted.
>
> > Brian..
>
>
>
>
> > Bwahaha. You can hack my secrets, they're over on google code right
> > now. ( leave the pictures of your mom please ;) ) My user group is
> > going to be getting together that day. If they back out I'd definitely
> > be interested in getting together in D-Town. Or there might just be
> > one or two of us so we could make the trip. Was actually going to ask
> > rmaug if they wanted to do the user group get together thing again
> > like for the CS4 launch. But really I'm up for anything. Having a few
> > guys get together and really hammer on some of the more difficult bugs
> > might be alot more productive than a big group.
>
> > I'll keep everyone posted.
>
> > Brian..
>
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:38 PM, RJ Owen <RJ.O...@effectiveui.com> wrote:
> > > Posted!
> > >http://www.insideria.com/2009/02/bugquash---help-fix-flex.html
>
> > > Brian, Adam, Tony, and any other Denverites: any interest in getting
> > > together somewhere for that day and doing our fixes together? I bet we
> > > could camp out at EUI in our spacious conference room, or some other
> > neutral
> > > ground if you're worried about our Wifi hacking your secrets. :)
>
> > > RJ Owen
>
> > > Senior Developer @ EffectiveUI / 303.204.2779
> > >www.effectiveui.com
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Simeon Bateman <simbate...@gmail.com>
> > > Posted!
> > >http://www.insideria.com/2009/02/bugquash---help-fix-flex.html
>
> > > Brian, Adam, Tony, and any other Denverites: any interest in getting
> > > together somewhere for that day and doing our fixes together? I bet we
> > > could camp out at EUI in our spacious conference room, or some other
> > neutral
> > > ground if you're worried about our Wifi hacking your secrets. :)
>
> > > RJ Owen
>
> > > Senior Developer @ EffectiveUI / 303.204.2779
> > >www.effectiveui.com
>
> > > ________________________________
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