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Rogers Katelem
May 7, 2025, 8:59:11 AM5/7/25
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Do we have any agglutinative languages displaying their dictionaries on webonary? Especially languages with verbal morphology. Can someone please point me to the some of them? I will like to see how the dictionary handles the verbs in those languages.
Chris Rice
May 7, 2025, 5:34:34 PM5/7/25
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Do we have any agglutinative languages displaying their dictionaries on webonary? Especially languages with verbal morphology. Can someone please point me to the some of them? I will like to see how the dictionary handles the verbs in those languages.
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Ken K
May 7, 2025, 5:49:54 PM5/7/25
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Hi Rogers,
I had worked on a Kazakh-English dictionary, but we never did upload it to Webonary.
Since then, I worked on Azerbaijani Turkish (azj), Udi, Northern Talysh, Budukh (bdk), Kryts (Haput-Quba), (Haput-Ismaili), Kryts-Kryts, Kryts-Älik, and made a start on Kryts-Jek. All of these are agglutinative languages.
I only uploaded the Kryts-Kryts dictionary. After that, I was reassigned to the Language Technology Unit, so I didn’t get as far as I would’ve liked.
I can give you access to Kryts-Kryts dictionary.
Best wishes, Ken
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Kari Valkama
May 8, 2025, 12:23:08 AM5/8/25
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Duri (mvp) is one.
Yours,
Kari
Rogers Katelem <katele...@gmail.com> kirjoitti 7.5.2025 kello 15.58:
Do we have any agglutinative languages displaying their dictionaries on webonary? Especially languages with verbal morphology. Can someone please point me to the some of them? I will like to see how the dictionary handles the verbs in those languages.
Michael Maxwell
May 8, 2025, 10:50:08 AM5/8/25
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As are Quechuan languages (the Andes of South America, also known in
Ecuador as Quichua), Bantu languages, and Athabaskan languages (western
North America). All three language families have numerous published
dictionaries, however I couldn't find any Quechua or Athabaskan
dictionaries on Webonary. There are probably Bantu languages there.
The Bantu and Athabaskan languages are largely prefixing, which makes
standard print dictionaries difficult to use--the user has to know the
morphology well enough to remove whatever prefixes a given wordform has,
then add the prefixes the citation form uses (unless it's a root-based
dictionary).
Guessing at what the original question was about:
Electronic dictionaries have several ways of making lookup easier for
prefixing languages. It can for instance start from the end of the word
(instead of the beginning) and display the longest match. If there are
any suffixes (like many Bantu languages), then the lookup would need a
way to remove those--fortunately for Bantu languages, there usually
aren't many suffixes.
Or if the language has a morphological parser (like XAmple or Hermit
Crab in FLEx), the parser can be used to come up with the citation form,
assuming the user input a correctly spelled form (and assuming Webonary
or wherever you put your language's dictionary has provision for adding
a parser). It's also possible to do spell correction.
Mike Maxwell
On 5/8/2025 12:22 AM, 'Kari Valkama' via FLEx list wrote:
> Duri (mvp) is one.
>
> Yours,
> Kari
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>> Rogers Katelem <katele...@gmail.com> kirjoitti 7.5.2025 kello 15.58:
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>> Do we have any agglutinative languages displaying their dictionaries
>> on webonary? Especially languages with verbal morphology. Can someone
>> please point me to the some of them? I will like to see how the
>> dictionary handles the verbs in those languages.
>>
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Ecuador as Quichua), Bantu languages, and Athabaskan languages (western
North America). All three language families have numerous published
dictionaries, however I couldn't find any Quechua or Athabaskan
dictionaries on Webonary. There are probably Bantu languages there.
The Bantu and Athabaskan languages are largely prefixing, which makes
standard print dictionaries difficult to use--the user has to know the
morphology well enough to remove whatever prefixes a given wordform has,
then add the prefixes the citation form uses (unless it's a root-based
dictionary).
Guessing at what the original question was about:
Electronic dictionaries have several ways of making lookup easier for
prefixing languages. It can for instance start from the end of the word
(instead of the beginning) and display the longest match. If there are
any suffixes (like many Bantu languages), then the lookup would need a
way to remove those--fortunately for Bantu languages, there usually
aren't many suffixes.
Or if the language has a morphological parser (like XAmple or Hermit
Crab in FLEx), the parser can be used to come up with the citation form,
assuming the user input a correctly spelled form (and assuming Webonary
or wherever you put your language's dictionary has provision for adding
a parser). It's also possible to do spell correction.
Mike Maxwell
On 5/8/2025 12:22 AM, 'Kari Valkama' via FLEx list wrote:
> Duri (mvp) is one.
>
> Yours,
> Kari
>
>> Rogers Katelem <katele...@gmail.com> kirjoitti 7.5.2025 kello 15.58:
>>
>> Do we have any agglutinative languages displaying their dictionaries
>> on webonary? Especially languages with verbal morphology. Can someone
>> please point me to the some of them? I will like to see how the
>> dictionary handles the verbs in those languages.
>>
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Rogers Katelem
May 8, 2025, 11:59:38 AM5/8/25
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Thanks for the links. They're helpful.
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Rogers Katelem
May 8, 2025, 12:00:27 PM5/8/25
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Please share a link to the dictionary with me.
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Rogers Katelem
May 8, 2025, 12:19:02 PM5/8/25
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@Michael Maxwell, There is no easy way to search dictionaries by language on Webonary. One will need to know the link. I wish it were possible for you to share a link to the dictionary of some of those languages you mentioned. They would really help.
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Michael Maxwell
May 8, 2025, 1:35:33 PM5/8/25
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Afaict, there are no Quechuan or Athabaskan languages on Webonary.
There are probably Bantu languages, but I don't recognize the names of
most of those languages when I see them. Bantu languages are spoken in
a band across the middle of Africa, although there are non-Bantu
languages in there as well. Njyem (Cameroon) is one, but maybe someone
who is more familiar with Bantu languages could point to others.
Depending on where you draw the boundary between inflecting=fusional and
agglutinating languages, probably most of the languages of South America
on Webonary (with the obvious exception of Plautdeutsch) would also be
agglutinating, predominately suffixing.
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There are probably Bantu languages, but I don't recognize the names of
most of those languages when I see them. Bantu languages are spoken in
a band across the middle of Africa, although there are non-Bantu
languages in there as well. Njyem (Cameroon) is one, but maybe someone
who is more familiar with Bantu languages could point to others.
Depending on where you draw the boundary between inflecting=fusional and
agglutinating languages, probably most of the languages of South America
on Webonary (with the obvious exception of Plautdeutsch) would also be
agglutinating, predominately suffixing.
Mike Maxwell
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> >> Do we have any agglutinative languages displaying their
> dictionaries
> >> on webonary? Especially languages with verbal morphology. Can
> someone
> >> please point me to the some of them? I will like to see how the
> >> dictionary handles the verbs in those languages.
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Johnny Walker
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Hello Rogers,
Here are links to some of the Bantu dictionaries on Webonary:
Lugwere (from Uganda): https://www.webonary.org/lugwere/
Kabwa (from Tanzania): https://www.webonary.org/kabwa/
Lomwe (from Mozambique): https://www.webonary.org/lomwe/
Bongili (from Congo-Brazzaville): https://www.webonary.org/bongili/?lang=en
Bantu languages are agglutinative and most of the information is stored on the verb. Because there are many prefixes that can occur, one of the standard ways to show a verb in the dictionary is with a dash followed by the root. So a user would look up the verb by the initial letter of the root (rather than looking at an infinitive form or some other inflection). In looking briefly at the dictionaries I listed above, both the Kabwa and Bongili dictionaries follow this method for listing verbs.
Peace,
Johnny
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