Problems when inserting words in Lexicon via Collect Words
Henrik Liljegren
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This seems to be working fine for me. When you enter words, they remain with a white background so you can change them. If you switch to a different area (maybe a different semantic domain) then back, the background is darkened.
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Kevin Warfel
The Collect Words tool in FLEx was designed for use in a Rapid Word Collection workshop, where data entry is in focus and editing of the entered data is deferred until a later time. During the workshop, a typist selects a particular semantic domain and enters the words that were collected in that domain into the database, along with the gloss for each word. So long as the typist does not navigate away from that data-entry point (a specific domain in the Collect Words tool), the words and their glosses remain editable; that is, a typographical error can be spotted and fixed without navigating to another part of FLEx to make the correction. The list of words remains in the order in which they were typed, enabling the typist, who may be reading the words off a handwritten sheet of paper, to find his/her place if distracted mid-task.
When the typist navigates to a new semantic domain to enter data there, the words and glosses entered in the previous domain become more firmly fixed. When you navigate back to that semantic domain in the Collect Words tool, the words no longer appear in the order in which they were typed but are arranged alphabetically, and neither the words nor the glosses can be edited there. The change in background color corresponds to this change in status.
The Collect Words tool was not designed for a workflow that includes jumping between it and the Lexicon Edit view.
Kevin Warfel
Associate Dictionary & Lexicography Services Coordinator
Rapid Word Collection workshop consultant
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Subject: [FLEx] Problems when inserting words in Lexicon via Collect Words
I'm experiencing a problem when creating a new lexical entry via Collect Words (according to semantic domains). Once such a word (or row) is entered it is supposed to shift from white to dark background and with a right-click I should be able to select Show Entry In Lexicon. This latter doesn't happen and I cannot figure out why. The row stays white. I can by-pass this by shifting to another module (e.g. to Texts & Word) and then back again (by doing that the row appears as darkened and the Show Entry In Lexicon is suddely available), but that is obviously not the way it's supposed to work. Anyone else experiencing this? Any ideas what can be done to solve this issue? Seems like a bug. I don't have that problem on another machine with exactly the same FLEx settings. I'm using FLEx 9.0.17.455 on a PC with Windows 10.
Personally, I can live with it, it's a minor flaw, but I'm right now in the process of instructing a documentation team to use this feature in connection with a form of Rapid Word Collection workshop and it's a bit frustrating to show something to them that might not really work as it should.
Henrik
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Henrik Liljegren
Kevin Warfel
Hello Henrik,
Can you give me the title of the Help topic you are referring to? Below is what I see by way of an introduction to the Collect Words tool, but it doesn’t seem to match what you’re saying, so I think you must have been looking at a different Help topic. I’d like to know exactly which one so I can understand how you were given a different impression regarding the use of this tool.
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Henrik Liljegren
Hello Kevin,
It is that particular one I’m referring to. A little further down it says:
You can type in a row with a white background to create a lexical entry.
See Also: Initial definition considerations.
You can right-click a darkened row and then click Show Entry In Lexicon to display the entry in Lexicon Edit.
Darkened backgrounds indicate existing entries that are no longer editable here. You can edit them in Lexicon Edit.
Okay, I see that it’s probably more of my interpretation that what it literally says. I interpret it as saying that once it is typed in, the lexical entry is created and the row will be darkened (and as far as I remember that is exactly what happened on my other machine in my office, which I unfortunately don’t have access to right now as I’m on a fieldtrip, so I cannot verify it). So maybe a solution for the help topic would be to specify what was pointed out in some of the responses, that the fields remain white and editable as long as I don’t switch to another domain, and that the darkened fields only appear if I have left that view to go to another domain or to another module. Just an idea.
Best,
Henrik
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Kevin Warfel
Thanks for the clarification. I’m understanding now how you drew the conclusions you did. However, the behavior that you think you experienced on your other machine is not normal. If it did indeed behave that way, that would be a bug, at least from the perspective of how the tool was designed to work.
Best wishes,
Kevin Warfel
Associate Dictionary & Lexicography Services Coordinator
Rapid Word Collection workshop consultant
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