Apologies from REAL remop for Eelbash
The Unknown Remop
To explain that he is not accepted among remops is an undertatement. Here are two posts that detail how much an ass he is. Your best bet is to killfile anything that originates from newsanon.yi.org or contains "Fake Name" in the from line.
These messages are posted with their PGP signatures intact so that their content and origin can be verified.
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Subject: Reasons to avoid Eelbash
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In article <YJLAY9F138147.4308217593@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>,
Eelbash Admin<Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header> wrote:
> It is simple: with Frog retiring, there are only 2, possibly 3, adult
> remailer operators left. I decided to do my bit for a responsible and
> adult remailer system by running Bushwa.
>
In addition to *this* arrogance, remember he also publicly campaigned for
the delisting of Austria and Dizum. He also told us that because of his
breeding, he was superior to the rest of us.
Yes, those actually were his reasons.
This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters and
his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of privacy" used
to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
political correctness.
Then came his admission that he was unaware that mixmaster was a server as
well as a client, and that he had no clue what a "partitioning attack" was,
despite having run a remailer for "...over 15 years"
(a blatant,bald-faced LIE).
So his remailer was cut off from the rest of the network, become the one
and only remailer in the history of the network to receive a Remailer Death
Penalty, or RDP. Shortly thereafter, he tried to sneak back in as "Bushwa".
He was busted. Then he came back with "greatwall", despite the fact that
remailer names are supposed to observe an 8 character limit.
So now he is back again, as Asmodeus, although he is still crippled by only
being listed by 8 remailers, and 2 pingers.
His "career" as a remop is studded with examples like the ones above.
If you can find them, you can check out posts about his monitoring
and filtering behavior on past remailers he has run.
The ones we know about are:
eelbash
axloltl
axolotl2
cheshire
congo
bog
bogg
eelbash (again)
bushwa
greatwall
asmodeus
eelbash (again!)
eelbash (again!!)
Last time it took 10 days between announcing his triumphant return,
and having to close down for ADMITTING that he was reading
people's posts and emails AGAIN.
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Subject: Re: When You Lie Down With Lice
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In article <69da9f0da7ad6ab6...@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
>> In addition to *this* arrogance, remember he also publicly campaigned for the delisting of Austria and Dizum.
>
> Good God in Heaven! Did he??? Wow.
>
> You know, you sound like a 10-year old whose feelings are hurt because somebody dared to criticize one of his adult heroes.
>
> The sad thing is you are probably an adult, at least chronologically.
>
> You are an example of the old saying: When you lie down with lice you get lousy.
>
Now where have I heard that said before...oh that's right, by you
Eelbash Admin when you attempted to get all the remailer ops to censor
and monitor back in July 2000.
Although you have removed your original message from Google, your
original PGP signed message is still here and verifiable.
"Do you want to lie down with the lice and get lousy, or do you want to apply the
bug spray of monitoring and censorship to destroy the little bastards?"
The full PGP signed message is below, along with a link to the original
thread. It's signed with his old PGP key 016AA63D which you can get from
either of the following links to verify that he did indeed write the
message.
http://www.bananasplit.info/usenet/eelbash_announce.txt
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/msg/f1270ab40f0070ed?dmode=source
The link for the original thread is
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.privacy.anon-server/browse_thread/thread/24a50c8f41653e8e/c6412b007dd36246
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By the way, boys, I apologize in advance, but in throwing away the naughty
French version of Reliable, and going back to the good old American
version, I neglected to say that I make no representations as to the length
of time that will pass before I again embrace the delectable French
Reliable.
If I see too many instances of nastiness showing up on the net, I may feel
the need to jump back in and start monitoring again; blocking follows from
that ('censorship' to the Shyster); and after that, making known the id of
the scumbags responsible. It goes without saying that more sophisticated
monitoring will follow: keyword searches of content; monitoring the input
to the remailer, etc., etc.
I can say that I will never jeopardize or invade the privacy of legitimate
users, but people I suspect of being in the scumbag catergory, and it is I
who must decide who is or is not a scumbag, have, in my humble opinion, no
right to privacy: I will track them down like the skunks they are.
And, yes, I think that content is something that must be looked at, and
when it is found to fall into the scumbag category (according to my
judgement), may and will be used to censor the post: I will not (I mean,
possibly, and in the future) allow Eelbash to be used as a conduit for
every species of filth).
At the moment I don't have to tools to do the job properly: a keyword
search program is needed, but when I do, the temptation to use it may be
overwhelming.
Please note that none of this is the case now: I am simply reserving the
right to do it at some time in the future.
Think about it: American society has become so degraded that 'motherfucker'
is now a term of endearment! Unfortunately, the US seems to have a large
influence on other Western countries, and I don't doubt that 'motherfucker'
is also a term of endearment in many other nations, or is at least
considered a benign word of greeting and reference.
Do you want the remailers to be a part of this? Do you want to lie down
with the lice and get lousy, or do you want to apply the bug spray of
monitoring and censorship to destroy the little bastards?
Even if you are one of the lice, remailers that follow such an
irresponsible course will, eventually, bring down the wrath of the public
and politicians, and end up legislated out of existence.
Of course, remailers are klunky, and something like Publius, or WOF, will
probaby soon replace them.; I'm not sure how they work, but have the
feeling it will become more difficult for right-minded operators to do
their good work. That will probably hasten the demise of Publius and WOF,
along with all other remailers.
My apolgies again for misleading you, perhaps.
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+ krp!
"The Unknown Remop" <nos...@none.invalid> wrote in message
news:ELLYRWVL3863...@reece.net.au...
> As an actual remop who has a clue, I apologize for the bullshit that
> Eelbash has perpetrated on this newsgroup with his obnoxious disclaimers,
> vorpal stupidities and other wonders of his tiny little mind.
>
> To explain that he is not accepted among remops is an undertatement. Here
> are two posts that detail how much an ass he is. Your best bet is to
> killfile anything that originates from newsanon.yi.org or contains "Fake
> Name" in the from line.
Maybe because that REMOP refuses to allow his system be used for
harassment, exchange of child pornography, drug deals, or terrorism.
> These messages are posted with their PGP signatures intact so that their
> content and origin can be verified.
Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
from. Anyone can obtain a PGP code under ANY false name they wish. ALL that
PGP does is to verify unaltered content and that the same person sent it as
sent others using that code now WHO did it. PGP does NOT insure that "John
Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
THAT claim is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! Or that he sent it via his
johndo...@aol.com address.
> This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters
> and
> his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of privacy" used
> to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
> political correctness.
(TRANSLATION: He killfiled harassing and illegal traffic from some abusive
users.)
[Anon] Anon User
Message-type: plaintext
In <mdO1f.435$A52.18@trnddc02> " + krp!" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>"The Unknown Remop" <nos...@none.invalid> wrote in message
>news:ELLYRWVL3863...@reece.net.au...
>> As an actual remop who has a clue, I apologize for the bullshit that
>> Eelbash has perpetrated on this newsgroup with his obnoxious disclaimers,
>> vorpal stupidities and other wonders of his tiny little mind.
>>
>> To explain that he is not accepted among remops is an undertatement. Here
>> are two posts that detail how much an ass he is. Your best bet is to
>> killfile anything that originates from newsanon.yi.org or contains "Fake
>> Name" in the from line.
>
> Maybe because that REMOP refuses to allow his system be used for
>harassment, exchange of child pornography, drug deals, or terrorism.
No, because that ALLEGED remop refuses to operate his remailer according to
accepted standards and practices. specifcaly, that the user's content is
off limits to the remop. if he wants to block a newsgroup or user that's fine,
but tampering with that content is another matter entirely as is filtering
on that content.
>> These messages are posted with their PGP signatures intact so that their
>> content and origin can be verified.
>
> Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
>from. Anyone can obtain a PGP code under ANY false name they wish. ALL that
>PGP does is to verify unaltered content and that the same person sent it as
>sent others using that code now WHO did it. PGP does NOT insure that "John
>Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
>THAT claim is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! Or that he sent it via his
>johndo...@aol.com address.
>
>
>
>> This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters
>> and his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of privacy"
>> used to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
>> political correctness.
>
>(TRANSLATION: He killfiled harassing and illegal traffic from some abusive
>users.)
No, there's no translating needed.
one example, he edited users posts, changing their text, replacing words and
expressions that HE didn't like with shitstupid stamps like [CENSORED] [HATESPEECH]
[THOUGHTCRIME] [NOWAY] and quite a few others.
Another example, he has committed the Frog sin and used his position as remop to
track down a user and publicly identify them. What he SHOULD have done if he
had a problem with that user sending posts through his remailer is to put
that user in his 'source block' list and not accept messages from them.
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+ krp !
"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:QN35WH663863...@reece.net.au...
>>"The Unknown Remop" <nos...@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:ELLYRWVL3863...@reece.net.au...
>>> As an actual remop who has a clue, I apologize for the bullshit that
>>> Eelbash has perpetrated on this newsgroup with his obnoxious
>>> disclaimers,
>>> vorpal stupidities and other wonders of his tiny little mind.
>>>
>>> To explain that he is not accepted among remops is an undertatement.
>>> Here
>>> are two posts that detail how much an ass he is. Your best bet is to
>>> killfile anything that originates from newsanon.yi.org or contains "Fake
>>> Name" in the from line.
>>
>> Maybe because that REMOP refuses to allow his system be used for
>>harassment, exchange of child pornography, drug deals, or terrorism.
> You're a net-kook who has repeatedly demonstrated complete ignorance of
> what a remailer is and how it operates. You have no clue what you're
> talking about.
Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with anonymous
remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
>>> These messages are posted with their PGP signatures intact so that their
>>> content and origin can be verified.
>>
>> Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
>>from. Anyone can obtain a PGP code under ANY false name they wish. ALL
>>that
>>PGP does is to verify unaltered content and that the same person sent it
>>as
>>sent others using that code now WHO did it. PGP does NOT insure that
>>"John
>>Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
>>THAT claim is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! Or that he sent it via his
>>johndo...@aol.com address.
> And why exactly do you need to know someone's snailmail address? Unless
> your intent is to harass and stalk them offline, as has been alleged that
> you like to do?
Yeah right TURN it around. Do you think that SELLS? REALLY
>>> This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters
>>> and
>>> his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of privacy"
>>> used
>>> to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
>>> political correctness.
>>
>>(TRANSLATION: He killfiled harassing and illegal traffic from some
>>abusive
>>users.)
> Go away, kook. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Oh let's see now a few REMOPS have tried to prevent their systems from
being used to HARASS people and what happens? the WRATH of the PSYCHO
remailer users turns on them, which pretty well PROVES my point that a good
many of the users are psychopaths! The arrests and convictions of Kiddie
Porn rings using remailers proves the other point. And not just in America
but elsewhere in the world as well. NOT a great crowd to BRAG about hanging
around with!
+ krp !
"[Anon] Anon User" <rema...@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:2005100906433...@drooper.bananasplit.info...
> -----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE-----
> Message-type: plaintext
>
> In <mdO1f.435$A52.18@trnddc02> " + krp!" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>"The Unknown Remop" <nos...@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:ELLYRWVL3863...@reece.net.au...
>>> As an actual remop who has a clue, I apologize for the bullshit that
>>> Eelbash has perpetrated on this newsgroup with his obnoxious
>>> disclaimers,
>>> vorpal stupidities and other wonders of his tiny little mind.
>>>
>>> To explain that he is not accepted among remops is an undertatement.
>>> Here
>>> are two posts that detail how much an ass he is. Your best bet is to
>>> killfile anything that originates from newsanon.yi.org or contains "Fake
>>> Name" in the from line.
>>
>> Maybe because that REMOP refuses to allow his system be used for
>>harassment, exchange of child pornography, drug deals, or terrorism.
> No, because that ALLEGED remop refuses to operate his remailer according
> to
> accepted standards and practices. specifcaly, that the user's content is
> off limits to the remop. if he wants to block a newsgroup or user that's
> fine,
> but tampering with that content is another matter entirely as is filtering
> on that content.
No because he blocked some certain users from performing acts of
VANDALISM and HARASSMENT! PERIOD!
>>> These messages are posted with their PGP signatures intact so that their
>>> content and origin can be verified.
>>
>> Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
>>from. Anyone can obtain a PGP code under ANY false name they wish. ALL
>>that
>>PGP does is to verify unaltered content and that the same person sent it
>>as
>>sent others using that code now WHO did it. PGP does NOT insure that
>>"John
>>Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
>>THAT claim is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! Or that he sent it via his
>>johndo...@aol.com address.
>>> This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters
>>> and his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of
>>> privacy"
>>> used to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
>>> political correctness.
>>
>>(TRANSLATION: He killfiled harassing and illegal traffic from some
>>abusive
>>users.)
> No, there's no translating needed.
Oh I don't know.
> one example, he edited users posts, changing their text, replacing words
> and
> expressions that HE didn't like with shitstupid stamps like [CENSORED]
> [HATESPEECH]
> [THOUGHTCRIME] [NOWAY] and quite a few others.
I have not seen that - BUT 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the
posts I have seen on usenet from remailers are "SHITSTUPID" themselves even
though what we see is thew PUNK superiority bullshit of adolescents who
believe thay haver a RIGHT to abuse others and be IMMUNE from
responsibility.
> Another example, he has committed the Frog sin and used his position as
> remop to
> track down a user and publicly identify them. What he SHOULD have done if
> he
> had a problem with that user sending posts through his remailer is to put
> that user in his 'source block' list and not accept messages from them.
Oh no that he EXPOSED the COWARD is a good thing! That's the one thing
CRIMINAL VANDALS can't stand is to be exposed and have to accept
RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. Like all little PUNKS... This behavior in
my opinion is PROOF beyond debate the negative results of NOT spanking
children. Many of these PUNKS (David Moore comes immediately to mind) are
the products of PISS POOR absentee parenting and are examples of individuals
who missed several hundred ass blistering spankings. MAYBE if you people
had accountability for your actions you might be more functional as ADULTS!
Boo hoo that some BAD dude was outed! That is the WHINING of the criminal
mind. "NO FAIR I GOT CAUGHT!"
Zax
On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:01:20 GMT, + krp ! wrote in
Message-Id: <4M62f.5023$at1.1960@trnddc05>:
> Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
> Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
> COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with anonymous
> remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
Ken, 99% of remailer usage is not harassment. It's just that 99% of
traffic directed at *you* is. How can you expect to be treated with
respect in a Usenet community focused on the use of anonymous remailers
when you rant and rave about them like Desperate Dan on acid? Of course
you get the piss taken out of you, if you don't like it, try changing
your attitude.
--
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uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>
AD
>"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>news:QN35WH663863...@reece.net.au...
>
>>>"The Unknown Remop" <nos...@none.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:ELLYRWVL3863...@reece.net.au...
>>>> As an actual remop who has a clue, I apologize for the bullshit that
>>>> Eelbash has perpetrated on this newsgroup with his obnoxious
>>>> disclaimers,
>>>> vorpal stupidities and other wonders of his tiny little mind.
>>>>
>>>> To explain that he is not accepted among remops is an undertatement.
>>>> Here
>>>> are two posts that detail how much an ass he is. Your best bet is to
>>>> killfile anything that originates from newsanon.yi.org or contains "Fake
>>>> Name" in the from line.
>>>
>>> Maybe because that REMOP refuses to allow his system be used for
>>>harassment, exchange of child pornography, drug deals, or terrorism.
>
>> You're a net-kook who has repeatedly demonstrated complete ignorance of
>> what a remailer is and how it operates. You have no clue what you're
>> talking about.
>
> Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
>Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
>COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with anonymous
>remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
Please provide proof for your 99% statistic.
We have remailer operators who process 200,000 messages through their
remailers in a month, and get maybe one or two complaints, if any. Hardly
99%.
Of course you once falsely claimed to be affiliated with EFF, too.
>
>>>> These messages are posted with their PGP signatures intact so that their
>>>> content and origin can be verified.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
>>>from. Anyone can obtain a PGP code under ANY false name they wish. ALL
>>>that
>>>PGP does is to verify unaltered content and that the same person sent it
>>>as
>>>sent others using that code now WHO did it. PGP does NOT insure that
>>>"John
>>>Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
>>>THAT claim is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! Or that he sent it via his
>>>johndo...@aol.com address.
>
>> And why exactly do you need to know someone's snailmail address? Unless
>> your intent is to harass and stalk them offline, as has been alleged that
>> you like to do?
>
> Yeah right TURN it around. Do you think that SELLS? REALLY
I see you ducked the question, predictably. Why do you need to know
someone's snailmail address on usenet?
>>>> This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters
>>>> and
>>>> his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of privacy"
>>>> used
>>>> to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
>>>> political correctness.
>>>
>>>(TRANSLATION: He killfiled harassing and illegal traffic from some
>>>abusive
>>>users.)
>
>> Go away, kook. You have no clue what you're talking about.
>
> Oh let's see now a few REMOPS have tried to prevent their systems from
A few? Try "one remop". And one who has been repeatedly drummed out of
the remailer community for his unethical behavior.
>being used to HARASS people and what happens? the WRATH of the PSYCHO
>remailer users turns on them, which pretty well PROVES my point that a good
>many of the users are psychopaths! The arrests and convictions of Kiddie
>Porn rings using remailers proves the other point. And not just in America
>but elsewhere in the world as well. NOT a great crowd to BRAG about hanging
>around with!
Please provide a single cite of such an arrest and/or conviction. I say
that you are lying.
AD
Kook, remailers don't have "users". I see that after 5 years you still
don't have a clue how remailers operate.
>
>>>> These messages are posted with their PGP signatures intact so that their
>>>> content and origin can be verified.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
>>>from. Anyone can obtain a PGP code under ANY false name they wish. ALL
>>>that
>>>PGP does is to verify unaltered content and that the same person sent it
>>>as
>>>sent others using that code now WHO did it. PGP does NOT insure that
>>>"John
>>>Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
>>>THAT claim is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT! Or that he sent it via his
>>>johndo...@aol.com address.
>
>>>> This all came after his failed attempt to institute hate-speech filters
>>>> and his "editing" of his users posts. This "superior champion of
>>>> privacy"
>>>> used to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for
>>>> political correctness.
>>>
>>>(TRANSLATION: He killfiled harassing and illegal traffic from some
>>>abusive
>>>users.)
>
>> No, there's no translating needed.
>
>Oh I don't know.
Probably the most truthful statement you've ever made. Indeed, you don't
know much of anything, kook.
>
>> one example, he edited users posts, changing their text, replacing words
>> and
>> expressions that HE didn't like with shitstupid stamps like [CENSORED]
>> [HATESPEECH]
>> [THOUGHTCRIME] [NOWAY] and quite a few others.
>
> I have not seen that - BUT 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the
>posts I have seen on usenet from remailers are "SHITSTUPID" themselves even
>though what we see is thew PUNK superiority bullshit of adolescents who
>believe thay haver a RIGHT to abuse others and be IMMUNE from
>responsibility.
That's because you're upset that you're unable to harass and stalk the
people who are posting from the remailers. In your other post, you
admitted that your objective was to learn the snailmail address for people
posting to usenet. Information which you would only need if you planned to
stalk them offline.
>
>> Another example, he has committed the Frog sin and used his position as
>> remop to
>> track down a user and publicly identify them. What he SHOULD have done if
>> he
>> had a problem with that user sending posts through his remailer is to put
>> that user in his 'source block' list and not accept messages from them.
>
> Oh no that he EXPOSED the COWARD is a good thing! That's the one thing
You don't even know what you're talking about, kook.
>CRIMINAL VANDALS can't stand is to be exposed and have to accept
>RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. Like all little PUNKS... This behavior in
>my opinion is PROOF beyond debate the negative results of NOT spanking
>children. Many of these PUNKS (David Moore comes immediately to mind)
Only to you, who are obsessed with "David Moore" and seem to think he is
everywhere.
>the products of PISS POOR absentee parenting and are examples of individuals
>who missed several hundred ass blistering spankings. MAYBE if you people
>had accountability for your actions you might be more functional as ADULTS!
>Boo hoo that some BAD dude was outed! That is the WHINING of the criminal
>mind. "NO FAIR I GOT CAUGHT!"
You're spitting all over your monitor again, kook.
And it doesn't really matter what you think. Eelbash is pretty much
blacklisted by the remailer community.
+ krp !
>> No because he blocked some certain users from performing acts of
>>VANDALISM and HARASSMENT! PERIOD!
> Kook, remailers don't have "users". I see that after 5 years you still
> don't have a clue how remailers operate.
Funny they have YOU asswipe! But you are probably correct. They only
have VANDALS and PUNKS!
>> I have not seen that - BUT 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the
>>posts I have seen on usenet from remailers are "SHITSTUPID" themselves
>>even
>>though what we see is thew PUNK superiority bullshit of adolescents who
>>believe thay haver a RIGHT to abuse others and be IMMUNE from
>>responsibility.
> That's because you're upset that you're unable to harass and stalk the
> people who are posting from the remailers. In your other post, you
> admitted that your objective was to learn the snailmail address for people
> posting to usenet. Information which you would only need if you planned
> to
> stalk them offline.
No I think the REAL stalker is the cone who FOLLOWS somebody into
newsgroup after newsgroup and attacks that person (or several people) he
calls his "MARKS!" He even uses the AOL IM ID 'MARKGETTER" and he even goes
so far to STALK he puts up a 50+ page website. He on a HOURLY basis stalked
every PUBLIC RECORD site he can find on his "MARKS" to find more things to
put on his website suich as divorce records, marriage licenses, and ANYTHING
he can get,. And THEN like the little SISSY he is he WHINES that others are
doing it to HIM! POOR BABY!
>>CRIMINAL VANDALS can't stand is to be exposed and have to accept
>>RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. Like all little PUNKS... This behavior
>>in
>>my opinion is PROOF beyond debate the negative results of NOT spanking
>>children. Many of these PUNKS (David Moore comes immediately to mind)
> Only to you, who are obsessed with "David Moore" and seem to think he is
> everywhere.
His own website PROVES all I need to claim! He's too mentally ill to
realize that his website PROVES everything I have said about him.
+ krp !
"Zax" <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote in message
news:dibku2$tv8$2...@bananasplit.info...
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.privacy.anon-server.]
> On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:01:20 GMT, + krp ! wrote in
> Message-Id: <4M62f.5023$at1.1960@trnddc05>:
>
>> Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
>> Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
>> COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with
>> anonymous
>> remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
>
> Ken, 99% of remailer usage is not harassment. It's just that 99% of
> traffic directed at *you* is. How can you expect to be treated with
> respect in a Usenet community focused on the use of anonymous remailers
> when you rant and rave about them like Desperate Dan on acid? Of course
> you get the piss taken out of you, if you don't like it, try changing
> your attitude.
Do you REALLY think that *I* am the only person who is harassed? Do you
think I am some special case? Ask Judy McLinn, Stacy Anderson and so MANY
MANY more.
And those are ONLY the ones that Moore harasses. Then we have those harassed
by others like Turin Turambar when HE uses a remailer, or Stacy Alexander
when she uses one.
Then there are many others who harass people on other newsgroups. Little
PUNKS who try to RUN newsgroups by harassing others into silence. It is FAR
from just me.
+ krp !
>> Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
>>Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
>>COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with
>>anonymous
>>remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
> Please provide proof for your 99% statistic.
> We have remailer operators who process 200,000 messages through their
> remailers in a month, and get maybe one or two complaints, if any. Hardly
> 99%.
It is simple anyone who has been on Usenet for more than a month KNOWS
that making complaints to remailer operators is mostly a TOTAL WASTE OF
TIME..
FEW will do anything. Those that do get harassed by the punk users
themselves. Ask Steve Gielda the SHIT he has gotten by trying to help curb
abuses. Not to mention others who just gave up. But look at the old block
names list and see how many THOUSANDS were on it who wanted to stop being
forged by the pricks who use remailers.
AD
My name isn't "David Moore", kook. Or are you just starting off the
conversation by reminding everyone what a paranoid kook you are?
>"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>news:Y92ZIUFK3863...@reece.net.au...
>
>>> No because he blocked some certain users from performing acts of
>>>VANDALISM and HARASSMENT! PERIOD!
>
>> Kook, remailers don't have "users". I see that after 5 years you still
>> don't have a clue how remailers operate.
>
> Funny they have YOU asswipe! But you are probably correct. They only
>have VANDALS and PUNKS!
Get back to me when you can write a sentence which makes sense. Oh and
show me a single example of an instance where I have vandalized anything.
Or do you consider me pointing out that you are a kook and a proved liar to
be vandalism?
>
>>> I have not seen that - BUT 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the
>>>posts I have seen on usenet from remailers are "SHITSTUPID" themselves
>>>even
>>>though what we see is thew PUNK superiority bullshit of adolescents who
>>>believe thay haver a RIGHT to abuse others and be IMMUNE from
>>>responsibility.
>
>> That's because you're upset that you're unable to harass and stalk the
>> people who are posting from the remailers. In your other post, you
>> admitted that your objective was to learn the snailmail address for people
>> posting to usenet. Information which you would only need if you planned
>> to
>> stalk them offline.
>
> No I think the REAL stalker is the cone who FOLLOWS somebody into
>newsgroup after newsgroup and attacks that person (or several people) he
>calls his "MARKS!" He even uses the AOL IM ID 'MARKGETTER" and he even goes
>so far to STALK he puts up a 50+ page website. He on a HOURLY basis stalked
>every PUBLIC RECORD site he can find on his "MARKS" to find more things to
>put on his website suich as divorce records, marriage licenses, and ANYTHING
>he can get,. And THEN like the little SISSY he is he WHINES that others are
>doing it to HIM! POOR BABY!
And what, exactly, do AIM and websites have to do with remailers, kook?
You admitted that your objective is to seek out snailmail addresses and
personal info. Your main problem with remailers is that they strip away
your ability to do this.
APAS is a technical newsgroup for the discussion of the administration and
use of anonymous remailers. It's not a group for you to whine about
content. You've been shown how to opt out of receiving e-mails from a
remailer, and as far as usenet goes, it would take you about 2 minutes to
set up a killfilter so that you won't see any of the messages. So, your
entire problem with remailers could be solved in about 3 minutes, and yet
you have screamed and stomped and whined for over 5 years about this.
Maybe you just like the attention?
>
>>>CRIMINAL VANDALS can't stand is to be exposed and have to accept
>>>RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. Like all little PUNKS... This behavior
>>>in
>>>my opinion is PROOF beyond debate the negative results of NOT spanking
>>>children. Many of these PUNKS (David Moore comes immediately to mind)
>
>> Only to you, who are obsessed with "David Moore" and seem to think he is
>> everywhere.
>
>
> His own website PROVES all I need to claim! He's too mentally ill to
>realize that his website PROVES everything I have said about him.
Actually the fact that you began this post by alleging that I must be
"David Moore" proves all we need to know. That you are a kook who is
obsessed with this guy who probably doesn't even exist.
AD
>news:dibku2$tv8$2...@bananasplit.info...
>> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.privacy.anon-server.]
>> On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:01:20 GMT, + krp ! wrote in
>> Message-Id: <4M62f.5023$at1.1960@trnddc05>:
>>
>>> Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
>>> Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
>>> COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with
>>> anonymous
>>> remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
>>
>> Ken, 99% of remailer usage is not harassment. It's just that 99% of
>> traffic directed at *you* is. How can you expect to be treated with
>> respect in a Usenet community focused on the use of anonymous remailers
>> when you rant and rave about them like Desperate Dan on acid? Of course
>> you get the piss taken out of you, if you don't like it, try changing
>> your attitude.
>
> Do you REALLY think that *I* am the only person who is harassed?
You're the only person who frequently whines about it....without ever
showing a single solid example proving that you're being harassed.
Do you
>think I am some special case? Ask Judy McLinn, Stacy Anderson and so MANY
>MANY more.
>And those are ONLY the ones that Moore harasses. Then we have those harassed
>by others like Turin Turambar when HE uses a remailer, or Stacy Alexander
>when she uses one.
Dumb question (directed at a dumb person) if they are using a remailer,
then how do you know it's them? Are these other people who fit into the
"David Moore" category whose names you just throw out there?
>Then there are many others who harass people on other newsgroups. Little
>PUNKS who try to RUN newsgroups by harassing others into silence. It is FAR
>from just me.
Which newsgroups? I haven't seen anyone complaining except for you.
AD
>news:3OX4MIQG3863...@reece.net.au...
>
>>> Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
>>>Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
>>>COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with
>>>anonymous
>>>remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
>
>> Please provide proof for your 99% statistic.
>
>> We have remailer operators who process 200,000 messages through their
>> remailers in a month, and get maybe one or two complaints, if any. Hardly
>> 99%.
>
> It is simple anyone who has been on Usenet for more than a month KNOWS
>that making complaints to remailer operators is mostly a TOTAL WASTE OF
>TIME..
>FEW will do anything. Those that do get harassed by the punk users
>themselves. Ask Steve Gielda the SHIT he has gotten by trying to help curb
>abuses.
Steve: I was advised to ask you about the "SHIT" you have gotten by trying
to help curb abuses.
>Not to mention others who just gave up. But look at the old block
>names list and see how many THOUSANDS were on it who wanted to stop being
>forged by the pricks who use remailers.
Also, Steve: would you by any chance happen to know where to find the "old
block names list"? I was advised to see how many thousands were on it who
+ krp !
DAVID MOORE - - LAMELY VERY LAMELY TRYING to be STEVE GIELDA
"Steve Gielda" <sgi...@cotse.com> wrote in message
news:4GGA1D2H38636.8505324074@reece.net.au...
> Yes I have gotten attacked by a vandal named David Moore who keeps joining
> my remailer under different names. He has signed me up for hundreds fo
> porn lists. The guy is nearing 40 and is still an adolescent punk which
> typefies the users of most remops.
>
>>
>>
>>>Not to mention others who just gave up. But look at the old block
>>>names list and see how many THOUSANDS were on it who wanted to stop being
>>>forged by the pricks who use remailers.
>>
>>Also, Steve: would you by any chance happen to know where to find the
>>"old
>>block names list"? I was advised to see how many thousands were on it who
>>wanted to stop being forged by the pricks who use remailers.
>
> I saw it a few months ago. I believe it is down for repairs. It doesn't
> do
> much good because our buddy Moroe just alters the name of the "MARK" he's
> forging and then goes right back to it. Yes there are thousands. Most of
> them victims of Davey.
>
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+ krp !
> You admitted that your objective is to seek out snailmail addresses and
> personal info. Your main problem with remailers is that they strip away
> your ability to do this.
BULLSHIT!
> APAS is a technical newsgroup for the discussion of the administration and
> use of anonymous remailers. It's not a group for you to whine about
> content. You've been shown how to opt out of receiving e-mails from a
> remailer, and as far as usenet goes, it would take you about 2 minutes to
> set up a killfilter so that you won't see any of the messages. So, your
> entire problem with remailers could be solved in about 3 minutes, and yet
> you have screamed and stomped and whined for over 5 years about this.
> Maybe you just like the attention?
So TELL me oh GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT genius. HOW do i stop a VANDAL
(Moore) from posting forgeries to MY name and then putting the shit on his
website claiming I wrote it? WHERE is the killfile for that? Got a SMART
ASSED PUNK ANSWER?
+ krp !
AD
>DAVID MOORE - - LAMELY VERY LAMELY TRYING to be STEVE GIELDA
>"Steve Gielda" <sgi...@cotse.com> wrote in message
>news:4GGA1D2H38636.8505324074@reece.net.au...
Oh, now "DAVID MOORE" is forging Steve Gielda, to announce his own guilt.
Yeah, right.
Get a life, you obsessed kook.
Thrasher Remailer
On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:37:55 +0000, + krp ! wrote:
>
> So TELL me oh GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT genius. HOW do i stop a VANDAL
> (Moore) from posting forgeries to MY name and then putting the shit on his
> website claiming I wrote it? WHERE is the killfile for that? Got a SMART
> ASSED PUNK ANSWER?
He has a good point. One of the worst things about the attitude of some? most? remailer operators is that they refuse to block posts that are forged in an individual's name.
They will put in a dest-block on an email adderss: some...@somewhere.com, fine.
But if somebody's name is being forged they won't do anything, and the piss-poor 'reason' is that somebody else might have the same name.
So, there are probably many Ken Pangborn's in the world, and maybe more than one is on usenet, but so what? If somebody named Ken Pangborn is having his name forged to posts, for God Sake, block the name if you are asked to. Don't come up with ridiculous reasons for not doing so.
Borked Pseudo Mailed
> " + krp !" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >DAVID MOORE - - LAMELY VERY LAMELY TRYING to be STEVE GIELDA
> >"Steve Gielda" <sgi...@cotse.com> wrote in message
> >news:4GGA1D2H38636.8505324074@reece.net.au...
>
> Oh, now "DAVID MOORE" is forging Steve Gielda, to announce his own guilt.
> Yeah, right.
>
Like other owners of Internet cafes, Savoni had to obtain a new antiterrorism package in July, authorities ordered managers offering public communications business license, and purchase tracking software that costs up to $1,600. The software saves a list of books someone has borrowed or the websites and not in the coastal village of Olbia, Sardinia, remains unconvinced. "This is a role model for me. A few of the high percentage of posts made here via remailers, and 2 pingers.
AD
>news:ZLI995O53863...@reece.net.au...
>
>> You admitted that your objective is to seek out snailmail addresses and
>> personal info. Your main problem with remailers is that they strip away
>> your ability to do this.
>
>BULLSHIT!
In Message-ID: <mdO1f.435$A52.18@trnddc02>, you complained about PGP:
Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
from.... PGP does NOT insure that "John
Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
Again....why do you need to know what snailmail address someone is posting
from?
>
>> APAS is a technical newsgroup for the discussion of the administration and
>> use of anonymous remailers. It's not a group for you to whine about
>> content. You've been shown how to opt out of receiving e-mails from a
>> remailer, and as far as usenet goes, it would take you about 2 minutes to
>> set up a killfilter so that you won't see any of the messages. So, your
>> entire problem with remailers could be solved in about 3 minutes, and yet
>> you have screamed and stomped and whined for over 5 years about this.
>> Maybe you just like the attention?
>
> So TELL me oh GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT genius. HOW do i stop a VANDAL
>(Moore) from posting forgeries to MY name and then putting the shit on his
>website claiming I wrote it? WHERE is the killfile for that? Got a SMART
>ASSED PUNK ANSWER?
The remailer operators can add your e-mail address to a block list, so that
messages cannot be posted using your address. If you had been civil with
the remops, they probably would be more willing to help you.
Aside from that, you add him to your killfile and ignore him. After about
two days he'll get bored and go away.
Nomen Nescio
>
> "AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
> news:3MGDZJ9Z386...@reece.net.au...
> >" + krp !" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>"Zax" <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote in message
> >>news:dibku2$tv8$2...@bananasplit.info...
APAS is a small program that would write the conbimed stats files to one's hard drive so one could tell one's remailer client to choose stats for them instead of manually choosing them. Do you REALLY think that *I* am the only person who is harassed? Do you think I am not doing anything illegal or anything like that.
> >>> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.privacy.anon-server.]
> >>> On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:01:20 GMT, + krp ! wrote in
> >>> Message-Id: <4M62f.5023$at1.1960@trnddc05>:
> >>>
ROME - Looking out over the cobblestone streets of Rome's Borgo Pio neighborhood, Maurizio Savoni says the new law violates his privacy, comparing it to anyone until Zax (I'm assuming) found it by guessing. The near 24-hour dropout had been up for a list of all sites visited by clients, and Internet cafe operators must periodically turn this list into their local police headquarters. "After 9/11, Madrid, and London, we all have to cope with narrowminded idiots, privacy offenders, abusers who abuse people just because I say 'fu*k your system' and other 'horrible' and 'terrorist like' stuff like that.
> >>>> Sure I do. I know what I need to know is that 99% of the use of
> >>>> Remailers is for HARASSMENT by underdeveloped little punks who need to
Read my help file. Tell me what you think posted the site about him? After nearly pissing my pants in the coastal village of Olbia, Sardinia, remains unconvinced.
> >>>> COMPENSATE for their TOTAL lack of MANHOOD by abusing people with
> >>>> anonymous
> >>>> remailers! THAT behavior says all that needs to be said about them.
> >>>
> >>> Ken, 99% of remailer usage is not harassment. It's just that 99% of
> >>> traffic directed at *you* is. How can you expect to be treated with
> >>> respect in a Usenet community focused on the use of anonymous remailers
> >>> when you rant and rave about them like Desperate Dan on acid? Of course
> >>> you get the piss taken out of you, if you don't like it, try changing
> >>> your attitude.
> >>
> >> Do you REALLY think that *I* am the only person who is harassed?
I'll do my best. I think what I said is OK as is and will stand up. Remember, I am a Christian but I didn't set up PGP, or even installed it, so I really do feel I need some kind of 'protection' from stoopid people who think that the ideal program for this would allow one to combine stats from several sources for JBN or QS? I was wrong, and maybe that's why remailers weren't 'working'. I am out and will ignore it.
> >
> > You're the only person who frequently whines about it....without ever
They can't put a bullet in me. All they can invade my privacy just because I think differently. Bear in mind that I didn't set up PGP, or even installed it, so I really do feel I need some kind of 'protection' from stoopid people who think they can invade my privacy just because I say 'fu*k your system' and other 'horrible' and 'terrorist like' stuff like that.
> > showing a single solid example proving that you're being harassed.
It sure makes you look like the little SISSY he is back again, as Asmodeus, although he is back again, as Asmodeus, although he is he WHINES that others are doing it to anyone until Zax (I'm assuming) found it by guessing. The near 24-hour dropout had been up for a list of all sites visited by clients, and Internet cafe managers check their clients' IDs and track the websites they visit. ROME - Looking out over the cobblestone streets of Rome's Borgo Pio neighborhood, Maurizio Savoni says the government to ask libraries for a software company that makes privacy-related software. We are trying to get a second static IP adress.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you
What you send, I don't care. I don't want to make sure they met his criteria for political correctness.
> >>think I am some special case? Ask Judy McLinn, Stacy Anderson and so MANY
Bear in mind that my country is a kook may be speaking for the delisting of Austria and Dizum. He also told us that because of his breeding, he was superior to the law is part of the posts. I just hadn't given it to protect my privacy and my human rights in any way I can.
> >>MANY more.
> >>And those are ONLY the ones that Moore harasses. Then we have those
> >>harassed
> >>by others like Turin Turambar when HE uses a remailer, or Stacy Alexander
> >>when she uses one.
> >
> > Dumb question (directed at a dumb person) if they are using a remailer,
And unfortunately, what the US is of little import to the Interior Ministry. The ministry also reported that they are conducting "rigorous surveillance" of high- risk areas of terrorist activity and over 13,000 strategic locations in Italy. On Aug.
> > then how do you know it's them? Are these other people who fit into the
> > "David Moore" category whose names you just throw out there?
> >
> >>Then there are many others who harass people on other newsgroups. Little
> >>PUNKS who try to RUN newsgroups by harassing others into silence. It is
Funny they have YOU asswipe! But you are probably correct. They only have VANDALS and PUNKS! No I think the REAL stalker is the cone who FOLLOWS somebody into newsgroup after newsgroup and attacks that person (or several people) he calls his "MARKS!" He even uses the AOL IM ID 'MARKGETTER" and he even goes so far to STALK he puts up a website with photos HE TOOK of his users posts. This "superior champion of privacy" used to read and edit users posts to make sure they met his criteria for political correctness.
> >>FAR
> >>from just me.
> >
> > Which newsgroups? I haven't seen anyone complaining except for you.
>
>
> YEAH RIGHT!
Passed within weeks of the administration and use of anonymous remailers. It's not a group for you to whine about content. You've been shown how to opt out of receiving e-mails from a remailer, and as far as usenet goes, it would take you about 2 minutes to set up a website with photos HE TOOK of his "MARK'S" house his photo etc on a Friday the 13th. I still love and miss him.
>
>
>
AD
>On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:37:55 +0000, + krp ! wrote:
>
>>
>> So TELL me oh GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT genius. HOW do i stop a VANDAL
>> (Moore) from posting forgeries to MY name and then putting the shit on his
>> website claiming I wrote it? WHERE is the killfile for that? Got a SMART
>> ASSED PUNK ANSWER?
>
>He has a good point.
No he doesn't. He's a Kook of the Month award winner whose objectives are
(1) to get the remailer operators to filter any content which mentions his
name and (2) to learn the snailmail physical address of people on usenet.
He has said so himself.
He's also quite obsessive. Read a handful of his posts and see his
paranoid delusion that some "David Moore" is everywhere and behind every
anonymous post. Go into any of the newsgroups he frequently trolls, and
you will see his dozens of posts per day, answering every single post in
the group with his nonsense.
Also please note that he was in here 5 years ago whining about being
harassed. He was asked to show examples which proved this, and couldn't
provide a one. Then he lost what little credibility he had when he started
claiming to be a member of EFF, and was proven to be lying.
>One of the worst things about the attitude of some?
>most? remailer operators is that they refuse to block posts that are
>forged in an individual's name.
From what I have seen, the ones who use full From: headers are willing to
do this.
>
>They will put in a dest-block on an email adderss:
>some...@somewhere.com, fine.
>
>But if somebody's name is being forged they won't do anything, and the
>piss-poor 'reason' is that somebody else might have the same name.
Are you talking about someone posting with a nick of "Kenny Pangborn" or
someone specifically posting as "kennyp...@kennysspecificisp.com"? The
latter is a forgery, the former isn't.
>
>So, there are probably many Ken Pangborn's in the world, and maybe more
>than one is on usenet, but so what? If somebody named Ken Pangborn is
>having his name forged to posts, for God Sake, block the name if you are
>asked to. Don't come up with ridiculous reasons for not doing so.
I strongly disagree that they should block just a name. As you point out,
there are many people by that name. The kook, er individual, in question
does not own the rights to that name. And if a remop DOES decide to block
the name, then what happens the next time there is a problem? What if next
time, it's someone named "Mike Smith" who says they are being forged? It
becomes a slippery slope, and now that the remop has done it for one
person, he has to do it for the next?
Kenny could solve this problem very easily. First he could learn to ignore
people who are obviously baiting him, and learn to use a killfile. Second
he could learn how to sign his posts with PGP. Third, he could stop
attacking and lying to the people who often try to help him.
I'm sure you mean well, but this specific person is a troll who continues
to fuel the fire. All the stuff he complains about would go away if he
left it alone. THere is also the very good possibility that he is
fabricating attacks against himself through the remailers, so that he can
then hold this up as evidence that remailers are bad.
+ krp !=
+ krp !=
>" + krp !" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>>news:ZLI995O53863...@reece.net.au...
>>
>>> You admitted that your objective is to seek out snailmail addresses and
>>> personal info. Your main problem with remailers is that they strip away
>>> your ability to do this.
>>
>>BULLSHIT!
>
> In Message-ID: <mdO1f.435$A52.18@trnddc02>, you complained about PGP:
>
> Bullshit. PGP does NOT tell you who authored a post or WHERE it came
> from.... PGP does NOT insure that "John
> Doe of 123 Evergeen Circle, Anyplace, New Jersey" is the one who sent it.
>
>
> Again....why do you need to know what snailmail address someone is posting
> from?
Hey EXPERT - - SNAILMAIL is the U.S. MAIL.........
You don't GET IT you claim that PGP tells "WHO" is posting. It in FACT does
NOT! AT ALL!
It isn't that I ****NEED**** to know it was addressing a TOTALLY FALSE and
laughable claim that PGP prove WHO sent it.
NOT EVEN CLOSE...
+ krp !=
"Thrasher Remailer" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:4Z5V9ZTA3863...@reece.net.au...
Amen! That is a start, BUT as you notice some of the juveniles get angry
at even that small step being taken.
What sets me off is the bullshit claims that remailers are getting free
speech into totalitarian states. What ignorant self serving bullshit. That
ad the claim that they are 'saving battered women and molested children"
and on and on and on.. Those claims are false. That is merely a
rationalization used by some REMOPS to try to fool the simpletons in
Congress who know nothing of the media. That MYTH started from the REMOP of
REPLAY a decade ago to get by proposed laws in Congress. Specifically
Afghanistan was cited as THE place they were getting free speech in and out
of. Never allowed the facts that during the Soviet occupation and the
fighting that electrical generation was eliminated. No electricity. No phone
service either. All forms of electronics were outlawed during the Taliban
regime. TV sets, Radios, telephones, VCRs and of course computers. You'd get
beheaded for even having one.
People took their TV sets etc and buried them in their back yards. They
were NOT in "chat rooms!"
I can see the place for remailers - but I also see the need for SOME
adult supervision. THAT seems to set some of the vandals off in a BIG way!
+ krp !=
> Thrasher Remailer <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>>On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:37:55 +0000, + krp ! wrote:
>
> I strongly disagree that they should block just a name. As you point out,
> there are many people by that name. The kook, er individual, in question
> does not own the rights to that name. And if a remop DOES decide to block
> the name, then what happens the next time there is a problem? What if
> next
> time, it's someone named "Mike Smith" who says they are being forged? It
> becomes a slippery slope, and now that the remop has done it for one
> person, he has to do it for the next?
>
> Kenny could solve this problem very easily. First he could learn to
> ignore
> people who are obviously baiting him, and learn to use a killfile. Second
> he could learn how to sign his posts with PGP. Third, he could stop
> attacking and lying to the people who often try to help him.
How do I BLOCK the asshole from forging posts in MY name and putting them
up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> You don't GET IT you claim that PGP tells "WHO" is posting. It in FACT
> does NOT! AT ALL!
False. In fact entities like Stamper couldn't exist *without* that knowledge
of origin. Neither could businesses like Verisign exist without the quality
being inherent in similar (and software compatible) digital signatures.
Your mistake is assuming that your own limited experience and knowledge
somehow define the real world in total. They do not.
--
Hand crafted on October 12, 2005 at 09:59:03 -0400
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> How do I BLOCK the asshole from forging posts in MY name and putting them
> up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
1. Don't post them.
2. If they're forgeries, take legal action. If for some reason you're unable
to do this, see #1.
--
Hand crafted on October 12, 2005 at 10:06:56 -0400
AD
I already told you this, kook. Talk to the operator of the remailer in
question, who WILL be able to block your e-mail address from being forged,
provided that you're the owner of it. If that doesn't work, retain a
lawyer and sue the person who is putting up forgeries.
You were told all of this 5 years ago and you still haven't done anything
about it. Either way, it's not a remailer issue at all.
AD
You have no knowledge of whether they are true or false, kook, without
decrypting and viewing every packet of traffic which goes through every
remailer.
That is merely a
>rationalization used by some REMOPS to try to fool the simpletons in
>Congress who know nothing of the media. That MYTH started from the REMOP of
>REPLAY a decade ago to get by proposed laws in Congress.
Alex de Joode addressed Congress in 1995? He's in the Netherlands, you
idiot. Why would he care about proposed laws in a country which has no
jurisdiction over him.
Jeffrey F. Bloss
Hash: SHA1
Howard Goldstein wrote:
> : > You don't GET IT you claim that PGP tells "WHO" is posting. It in
> : > FACT does NOT! AT ALL!
> :
> : False.
>
> He's right. Post your secret key and I'll demonstrate.
Thank you for helping prove my point, Howard. Since I'm in possession of
said key and you *obviously* are not. This post can at least be proved to
originate from my fingers and not yours.
Do *all* PGP keys prove ownership? Not necessarily.
Can they? Of course they can, and you've just touched on the reason why.
:)
- --
Hand crafted on October 12, 2005 at 18:12:21 -0400
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Privacy Through Random Acts Of Encryption!
iD8DBQFDTY3HRHqalLqKnCkRAhDFAJ9XX697+LfwEsPGdVX1mLCAPeJWNgCfXrkg
rqHhSJvGm2j2jqfrsPeFXS4=
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-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
AD
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>In article <NCW5M066386...@reece.net.au>
>when the person requesting it continually changes their name/alias.
>
Seemingly, this guy has a habit of going through a lot of names, most
probably because he violates the service agreements for these ISP's. IIRC
his first major attack on APAS 5 years ago was from an Earthlink address,
and he was bent out of shape because AOL had just TOSsed him.
Nevertheless, its likely that he believes its your problem as a remop to
constantly keep up with his changing names. 5 years ago he was calling
upon the remops to read thru thousands of messages a month to make sure the
content was suitable. He was ranting that "half a dozen other remops" were
already doing this, but was never able to name any.
* krp !=
"Jeffrey F. Bloss" <jbl...@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1897801.X...@wrench.yi.org...
>> You don't GET IT you claim that PGP tells "WHO" is posting. It in FACT
>> does NOT! AT ALL!
>
> False. In fact entities like Stamper couldn't exist *without* that
> knowledge
> of origin. Neither could businesses like Verisign exist without the
> quality
> being inherent in similar (and software compatible) digital signatures.
>
> Your mistake is assuming that your own limited experience and knowledge
> somehow define the real world in total. They do not.
The ACTUAL "owner" of any PGP key is NOT verified. It merely signifies
that the message content verifies NOT who sent it. Anyone can lend their PGP
key to anyone else. Suggesting that the REAL author of a PGP signed message
can be determined is NONSENSE.
* krp !=
> + krp != wrote:
>
>> How do I BLOCK the asshole from forging posts in MY name and putting
>> them
>> up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
>
> 1. Don't post them.
>
> 2. If they're forgeries, take legal action. If for some reason you're
> unable
> to do this, see #1.
What rectal logic. Take legal action against WHO? HOW? It's "FREE
SPEECH!" See the Telecommunications Decency Act of 1997. Legal action is
BARRED.
* krp !=
Jesus Christ.. How many REMAILERS are there? How many HONOR the block
lists? Once out there how do you erase them? YOU CANNOT! You can't get
Google to remove them. There are simply too many. Last count had several
thousand remailers in the world. Only 50% offer to block forgeries. You have
NOT offered an answer just more bullshit.
* krp !=
"Thrasher Admin" <thrashe...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:ZZIKS5Q33863...@reece.net.au...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> In article <NCW5M066386...@reece.net.au>
> AD <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>> >How do I BLOCK the asshole from forging posts in MY name and putting
>> >them
>> >up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
>>
>> I already told you this, kook. Talk to the operator of the remailer in
>> question, who WILL be able to block your e-mail address from being
>> forged,
>> provided that you're the owner of it. If that doesn't work, retain a
>> lawyer and sue the person who is putting up forgeries.
>>
>> You were told all of this 5 years ago and you still haven't done anything
>> about it. Either way, it's not a remailer issue at all.
>
> It becomes very difficult (if not impossible) to implement such blocks
> when the person requesting it continually changes their name/alias.
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
> Version: N/A
Yeah well shifting characters becomes necessary when the vandal has
thousands of other remailers to choose from. Simple thing is that when a
REMOP sees targeted newsgroups being abused by a stalker to go after a
specific "mark" and he sees that the only posts from his remailer appearing
on that newsgroup - is to clock sending things to those newsgroups.
THAT takes the steam out of the vandal entirely.
Apart from the current pissing contest on this thread - the Florida
newsgroup was NOT used by other remailer users. ONE individual took it upon
himself to abuse this group and several others. To the point that the
hierarchy administrator put up the subject of using a UDP on your system
because of it.
Let's cut the crap here. We all know abuse when we see it. We all know
stalking when we see it. The rest of this debate is 100% bullshit.
* krp !=
> Thrasher Admin <thrashe...@reece.net.au> wrote:
> Seemingly, this guy has a habit of going through a lot of names, most
> probably because he violates the service agreements for these ISP's. IIRC
> his first major attack on APAS 5 years ago was from an Earthlink address,
> and he was bent out of shape because AOL had just TOSsed him.
That's largely bullshit. I still have my AOL account. AOL suspended it
once because of FORGERIES to it. When they had learned I was in the hospital
when those racist messages were posted the account was restored. I used
EarthLink for a time because AOL is a major pain in the ass. I maintain the
master account for business purposes. I had major service headaches at
EarthLink switched to a small company here in Florida (Atlantic) and that
outfit was bombarded by my nemesis. We parted on great terms. I have been
with Verizon now for a couple years. The guy behind this (MOORE) bombards
Verizon with complaints every day. They are better equipped to handle them
or in this case DISREGARD them!
You may wish to check, your HERO - Moore - was really pissed that then
AOL Postmaster Scott Crain openly denounced Moore's efforts to TOS my AOL
account.
My do I slightly alter my NYM on Verizon? I am left with little choice.
And a good reason is clearly demonstrating INTENT! Seeing Moore shift the
forgeries to conform to my NYM clearly shows the mens rea to stalk and
harass. MOST people see that.
* krp !=
"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:A4TD2E0Y3863...@reece.net.au...
>> What sets me off is the bullshit claims that remailers are getting
>> free
>>speech into totalitarian states. What ignorant self serving bullshit.
>>That
>>ad the claim that they are 'saving battered women and molested children"
>>and on and on and on.. Those claims are false.
> You have no knowledge of whether they are true or false, kook, without
> decrypting and viewing every packet of traffic which goes through every
> remailer.
Oh cut the tired old BULLSHIT! HOW in God's name can ANYONE claim to be
SAVING people in a totalitarian state, specific example Afghanistan in 2001?
When they had NO electricity, NO phones, and owning anything electronic
calld for a beheading? CUT THE BULLSHIT!
How can I say Cuba? Been there. Have you? I have been in several places
that you can't get away with it. I *know* for example from people in Iran
and China, that people who attempt to access the forbidden (websites and
remailers etc) that their efforts are detected, monitored, and either
blocked or the people are "detained" and "persuaded" not to do that any
more.
> That is merely a rationalization used by some REMOPS to try to fool the
> simpletons in
>>Congress who know nothing of the media. That MYTH started from the REMOP
>>of
>>REPLAY a decade ago to get by proposed laws in Congress.
> Alex de Joode addressed Congress in 1995? He's in the Netherlands, you
> idiot. Why would he care about proposed laws in a country which has no
> jurisdiction over him.
Was replay in the Netherlands? I thought it was here? I can't remember
the guys name but he was an American. I could be wrong on the specifics of
WHO it was since I don't obsess on that. But I do recall the TESTIMONY to
Congress on "battered women and free speech in totalitarian nations" which
is 100% BULLSHIT!
* krp !=
<anon...@remailer.hastio.org> wrote in message
news:BZJMPFLL3863...@anonymous.poster...
>>> I strongly disagree that they should block just a name. As you point
>>> out,
>>> there are many people by that name. The kook, er individual, in
>>> question
>>> does not own the rights to that name. And if a remop DOES decide to
>>> block
>>> the name, then what happens the next time there is a problem? What if
>>> next
>>> time, it's someone named "Mike Smith" who says they are being forged?
>>> It
>>> becomes a slippery slope, and now that the remop has done it for one
>>> person, he has to do it for the next?
>>>
>>> Kenny could solve this problem very easily. First he could learn to
>>> ignore
>>> people who are obviously baiting him, and learn to use a killfile.
>>> Second
>>> he could learn how to sign his posts with PGP. Third, he could stop
>>> attacking and lying to the people who often try to help him.
>>
>>How do I BLOCK the asshole from forging posts in MY name and putting them
>>up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
>
> Hi, we would like to help you. Can you please post an example of one of
> these forged posts in your name, with full headers, and a URL to the page
> on the web where this is being posted as proof?
Sure go to Moore's www.aboutkenpangborn.com then look for his post
"DISGRACE" that he attributes to me. You'll find it doesn't exist.
Now here is what you are confronted with. Moore claims I had it NUKED. But
Google's rules are that the request to delete a post must come from the
account that posted it. IF as is maintained here my AOL account was TOS'd -
then I would not do that, could I? So either I still have my AOL account OR
the claim is false. So either Moore is lying when he claims to have had my
AOL account yanked, OR he's lying about me NUKING the post. I never made it.
He claims it proves I wanted a woman raped... Even what he has doesn't
really say that.
* krp !=
"Howard Goldstein" <hgol...@mpcs.com> wrote in message
news:11291540...@news.queue.to...
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:06:17 GMT, Jeffrey F. Bloss
> <jbl...@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote:
> : + krp != wrote:
> :
> : > You don't GET IT you claim that PGP tells "WHO" is posting. It in FACT
> : > does NOT! AT ALL!
> :
> : False.
>
You can't tell these assholes anything Howard. They live by their delusion
that THEY and ONLY they know anything about telecommunications. These guys
are so TOTALLY full of shit, it amazes me that they can bunch up like they
do.
* krp !=
"Jeffrey F. Bloss" <jbl...@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2938581.k...@wrench.yi.org...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Howard Goldstein wrote:
>
>> : > You don't GET IT you claim that PGP tells "WHO" is posting. It in
>> : > FACT does NOT! AT ALL!
>> :
>> : False.
>>
>> He's right. Post your secret key and I'll demonstrate.
> Thank you for helping prove my point, Howard. Since I'm in possession of
> said key and you *obviously* are not. This post can at least be proved to
> originate from my fingers and not yours.
Are you SO stupid that you think he proved YOUR point? REALLY? But how
do WE know WHO you REALLY are? You SAY you are Jeff Bloss... But you could
be anyone.
Can we take a PUBLIC key and read your PGP signature and it will tell us:
Jeff Bloss
tampabay.rr.com
Lutz, Florida?
> Do *all* PGP keys prove ownership? Not necessarily.
Do ANY? NO!
> Can they? Of course they can, and you've just touched on the reason why.
You are a poor confused little boy Jeff.
AD
And if I'm a person who wants to silence speech on a particular newsgroup,
all I have to then do is to access a remailer, and attack myself in said
newsgroup repeatedly, then come scream about it in APAS. Sound familiar at
all, kook?
>
> Apart from the current pissing contest on this thread - the Florida
>newsgroup was NOT used by other remailer users. ONE individual took it upon
>himself to abuse this group and several others. To the point that the
>hierarchy administrator put up the subject of using a UDP on your system
>because of it.
You have no proof that the remailer traffic in Florida or anywhere else for
that matter originates from one single person. If it is anonymous, then
it's impossible for you to have determined origin.
> Let's cut the crap here. We all know abuse when we see it. We all know
>stalking when we see it. The rest of this debate is 100% bullshit.
Yes, you are 100% bullshit, kook.
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> The ACTUAL "owner" of any PGP key is NOT verified. It merely signifies
> that the message content verifies NOT who sent it. Anyone can lend their
> PGP key to anyone else. Suggesting that the REAL author of a PGP signed
> message can be determined is NONSENSE.
The only nonsense here is your sweeping generalization. If that nonsense had
any basis in fact at all, there would be absolutely no reason for trust
models. There wouldn't be differing levels of trust, nor any method by
which to validate a key with your own endorsement.
As I stated earlier, if cryptographic signatures had no value in proving
ownership, entities like Stamper and Verisign could not exist. A random PGP
signature may not prove anything but integrity, but once the ownership of a
key by a trusted party has been established, that signature also weilds the
weight of authenticity.
--
Hand crafted on October 13, 2005 at 09:49:54 -0400
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> Yeah well shifting characters becomes necessary when the vandal has
> thousands of other remailers to choose from.
In your universe 32 is synonymous to "thousands"?
Fascinating.....
--
Hand crafted on October 13, 2005 at 10:47:24 -0400
AD
>news:A4TD2E0Y3863...@reece.net.au...
>
>>> What sets me off is the bullshit claims that remailers are getting
>>> free
>>>speech into totalitarian states. What ignorant self serving bullshit.
>>>That
>>>ad the claim that they are 'saving battered women and molested children"
>>>and on and on and on.. Those claims are false.
>
>> You have no knowledge of whether they are true or false, kook, without
>> decrypting and viewing every packet of traffic which goes through every
>> remailer.
>
> Oh cut the tired old BULLSHIT! HOW in God's name can ANYONE claim to be
>SAVING people in a totalitarian state, specific example Afghanistan in 2001?
>When they had NO electricity, NO phones, and owning anything electronic
>calld for a beheading? CUT THE BULLSHIT!
I can't recall anyone giving a "specific example" of Afghanistan. Can you
give a pointer of where someone said that?
>
> How can I say Cuba? Been there. Have you? I have been in several places
>that you can't get away with it. I *know* for example from people in Iran
>and China, that people who attempt to access the forbidden (websites and
>remailers etc) that their efforts are detected, monitored, and either
>blocked or the people are "detained" and "persuaded" not to do that any
>more.
>> That is merely a rationalization used by some REMOPS to try to fool the
>> simpletons in
>>>Congress who know nothing of the media. That MYTH started from the REMOP
>>>of
>>>REPLAY a decade ago to get by proposed laws in Congress.
>
>> Alex de Joode addressed Congress in 1995? He's in the Netherlands, you
>> idiot. Why would he care about proposed laws in a country which has no
>> jurisdiction over him.
>
> Was replay in the Netherlands? I thought it was here? I can't remember
>the guys name but he was an American. I could be wrong on the specifics of
>WHO it was since I don't obsess on that. But I do recall the TESTIMONY to
>Congress on "battered women and free speech in totalitarian nations" which
>is 100% BULLSHIT!
In other words you lied. You specifically named Replay, which Alex de
Joode was the owner of. Now that I've pointed out that it was overseas,
you're trying to save face by backpedalling.
Get out of APAS and quit wasting our time, kook.
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> Sure go to Moore's www.aboutkenpangborn.com then look for his post
> "DISGRACE" that he attributes to me. You'll find it doesn't exist.
>
> Now here is what you are confronted with. Moore claims I had it NUKED.
> But Google's rules are that the request to delete a post must come from
> the account that posted it. IF as is maintained here my AOL account was
> TOS'd - then I would not do that, could I? So either I still have my AOL
> account OR the claim is false. So either Moore is lying when he claims to
> have had my AOL account yanked, OR he's lying about me NUKING the post. I
> never made it. He claims it proves I wanted a woman raped... Even what he
> has doesn't really say that.
In truth, it's you who is lying. This can be easily proved by reading
Google's help pages.
From http://www.google.com/googlegroups/help.html#9 :
-----snip----
If you would like to request the removal of posts made by you, but the
email address from which you posted is no longer valid, you may send an
e-mail to groups-...@google.com that contains the following items:
your full name and contact information, including an email address that
can be verified;
the complete Google Groups URL (or message ID) for each individual
message you would like to have suppressed;
a statement that says "I swear under penalty of civil or criminal laws
that I am the person who posted each of the foregoing messages or am
authorized to request removal by the person who posted those messages.";
and your signature (electronic).
-----snip-----
--
Hand crafted on October 13, 2005 at 11:13:37 -0400
Jeffrey F. Bloss
You're more than free to cite *any* legislation that places forgeries under
the umbrella of "protected speech" Ken.
Somehow I rather expect you to substitute a rant for any such citation, but
by all means dazzle us with even a reference to the section of that law,
and I'll be more than happy to post it here. I'm looking at a copy as we
speak.
--
Hand crafted on October 13, 2005 at 11:26:51 -0400
AD
Are you referring to http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/racism.html which
reproduces a 1997 post with full headers?
Nothing indicating a remailer appears anywhere in the post. Where is your
proof that some guy is forging your ID through a remailer, and then putting
it on a website?
>
>Now here is what you are confronted with. Moore claims I had it NUKED. But
>Google's rules are that the request to delete a post must come from the
>account that posted it. IF as is maintained here my AOL account was TOS'd -
>then I would not do that, could I? So either I still have my AOL account OR
>the claim is false. So either Moore is lying when he claims to have had my
>AOL account yanked, OR he's lying about me NUKING the post. I never made it.
IMO you're trying to smokescreen. The post you are talking about on the
website was made in late 1997. Your termination from AOL, which you
confirmed on usenet at http://makeashorterlink.com/?J151359FB, was in 2000.
That would give you nearly three years to nuke the post.
Couple other things, the page on the website also does provide a compelling
link to a couple Google-archived posts where you commented on the original
post's content, but didn't deny making the post. And there is also the
fact that you seem to have no problem with lying. In your previous post I
caught you lying about the Replay remop addressing Congress in 1995.
>He claims it proves I wanted a woman raped... Even what he has doesn't
>really say that.
I would agree with you on this, kook. But you would be better off just
sticking to that story rather than, as it appears, trying to deny that you
made the post.
AD
There are three or four which allow full FROM headers.
> Once out there how do you erase them? YOU CANNOT! You can't get
>Google to remove them.
Yes, you can, if they are using your full e-mail address, you can have them
nuked.
>There are simply too many.
The number of remailers has no bearing on getting posts from your ID
removed from Google.
> Last count had several
>thousand remailers in the world. Only 50% offer to block forgeries. You have
>NOT offered an answer just more bullshit.
Where are you getting these numbers? Are you telling us that you polled
over 2000 remailer operators to determine whether they "block forgeries"?
Are you lying again, kook?
freedom
"* krp !=" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
You did. Proof of this is available at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.
> But
>Google's rules are that the request to delete a post must come from the
>account that posted it. IF as is maintained here my AOL account was TOS'd -
>then I would not do that, could I? So either I still have my AOL account OR
>the claim is false.
You made the post in December of 1997, and nuked it in the spring of 1998.
Your AOL account was terminated for abuse in August 2000. Next lie,
please?
>So either Moore is lying when he claims to have had my
>AOL account yanked,
No need to address this point, as the Google archives still contain your
own posts admitting that the account was terminated for abuse.
> OR he's lying about me NUKING the post. I never made it.
Yes, you did, as http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com proves.
>He claims it proves I wanted a woman raped... Even what he has doesn't
>really say that.
"We'd like to arrange for your rape...." were your words.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
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freedom
Nope, it originated from Ken's own AOL account. He later nuked the post.
Where is your
>proof that some guy is forging your ID through a remailer, and then putting
>it on a website?
Nobody is doing any such thing. http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com consists
mostly of Ken's own postings, many of which are independently verifiable in
Google.
>
>>
>>Now here is what you are confronted with. Moore claims I had it NUKED. But
>>Google's rules are that the request to delete a post must come from the
>>account that posted it. IF as is maintained here my AOL account was TOS'd -
>>then I would not do that, could I? So either I still have my AOL account OR
>>the claim is false. So either Moore is lying when he claims to have had my
>>AOL account yanked, OR he's lying about me NUKING the post. I never made it.
>
>IMO you're trying to smokescreen. The post you are talking about on the
>website was made in late 1997. Your termination from AOL, which you
>confirmed on usenet at http://makeashorterlink.com/?J151359FB, was in 2000.
>That would give you nearly three years to nuke the post.
Correct, and he indeed nuked it in 1998, two years before AOL terminated
his account for abuse.
>Couple other things, the page on the website also does provide a compelling
>link to a couple Google-archived posts where you commented on the original
>post's content, but didn't deny making the post.
Exactly. He explained the threat away as "sarcasm" and
"ridicule".....however, although the rape post was quoted numerous times,
he never denied authoring it until the day when he nuked it from the
then-Dejanews archives.
And there is also the
>fact that you seem to have no problem with lying. In your previous post I
>caught you lying about the Replay remop addressing Congress in 1995.
He's been caught in hundreds of similar lies.
>
>
>>He claims it proves I wanted a woman raped... Even what he has doesn't
>>really say that.
>
>I would agree with you on this, kook. But you would be better off just
>sticking to that story rather than, as it appears, trying to deny that you
>made the post.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
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On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:52:39 GMT, Howard Goldstein wrote in
Message-Id: <1129247...@news.queue.to>:
> Let's cut to the chase. Hand crafted by precisely which human? And
> that was Pangborn's point insofar as I can tell, and he's still right:
> PGP/GPG validation supplies no assurance of identity between an
> individual and "his" purported message.
Is my fingerprint proof of identity, or might I have stolen a finger?
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pub 1024D/8ED57743 2003-07-08 Bananasplit Operator
Key fingerprint = 796F 67E0 E890 A0BB BDAE EBB4 94A6 7A09 8ED5 7743
uid Admin <admin.bananasplit.info>
Carole Samgrass
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> AD <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>>"* krp !=" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>><anon...@remailer.hastio.org> wrote in message
>>>news:BZJMPFLL3863...@anonymous.poster...
>>>
>>>>>> I strongly disagree that they should block just a name. As
you
>>>>>> point out,
>>>>>> there are many people by that name. The kook, er
individual, in
>>>>>> question
>>>>>> does not own the rights to that name. And if a remop DOES
decide
>>>>>> to block
>>>>>> the name, then what happens the next time there is a
problem? What
>>>>>> if next
>>>>>> time, it's someone named "Mike Smith" who says they are
being
>>>>>> forged?
Well, this is certainly a complex situation. As someone who uses
remailers, I do see that they have a useful place in our wonderful
internet, but as we all know, are also subject to abuse of the
most awful kind!
But to return to your example, what worries me just a little bit
is when I think of the proportion of damage suffered by the poor
"Mike Smith" whose name is being forged by the anonymous person
using the remailer, and compare that with the damage suffered by
another "Mike Smith" whose post is deleted because he shares the
same name as the unfortunate "Mike Smith" whose name is being
forged by the anonymous person.
I am just an old person who knows just enough about remailers to
get into trouble :) but it does seem to me that the "Mike Smith"
whose message, be it to or fro "Mike Smith", has disappeared into
the 'bit bucket' of the remailer, it does seem to me that he is
suffering much less by losing his message than the unfortunate
"Mike Smith" is suffering who has his name forged by some
anonymous person.
So, it seems to me, and I speak in all humility as someone who is
far, far from an expert in these matters which are things I leave
to you young people to understand, but it does seem to me, that
there may be a question, a legitimate question, as to whether or
not the "Mike Smith" whose name is being forged, deserves
protection by the remailer operator even at the expense of the
other "Mike Smith"'s messages being deleted.
So I suppose what I am saying is that we cannot simply dismiss the
idea of 'blocking' certain messages just because doing so will
cause other messages which have to do with someone with the same
name but different email address of the first person to be
deleted.
We must think about the relative damages done to each of them and
then make a decision as to 'bit bucket' or not 'bit bucket'!
Well, reading that, I see it is a bit cumbersome, but I hope I
have made myself clear.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> becomes a slippery slope, and now that the remop has done
it for
>>>>>> one person, he has to do it for the next?
I must say that this is an argument I have never found congenial
and my dear husband, may he rest in peace, who taught me
everything I know about our internet, he used to say that if you
accept that 'slippery slope' argument then you can apply it to
saying that if we deny youngsters of 18 the right to buy alcohol
and make them wait until they are 21. then if we do that then we
are on a slippery slope and who can tell! we may then decide that
they cannot buy alcohol until they are 25 or 30 or 40!!
So once again I think it must be a matter of the judgment
exercised by each 'remop' as to the proportion of damage and how
best he should act based on his judgment based on his
understanding of that proportion.
Oh, dear, I do run on, and ask your forgiveness for the garility
of an old woman but I do so much appreciate the selfless devotion
of our remailer operators and only hope they can exercise the
proper consideration of each issue as it occurs.
AD
Ok. So in other words you are complaining about an activity in which no
laws are being broken.
AD
>news:2MILUNRI3863...@reece.net.au...
>> Thrasher Admin <thrashe...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Seemingly, this guy has a habit of going through a lot of names, most
>> probably because he violates the service agreements for these ISP's. IIRC
>> his first major attack on APAS 5 years ago was from an Earthlink address,
>> and he was bent out of shape because AOL had just TOSsed him.
>
> That's largely bullshit. I still have my AOL account.
In the following Google thread, you can be found making statements that AOL
has terminated your account, including an explanation of why:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J151359FB
In the many posts in the thread, you blame "Moore" for your downfall (big
surprise there!) but still with no evidence that he actually exists.
AOL suspended it
>once because of FORGERIES to it. When they had learned I was in the hospital
>when those racist messages were posted the account was restored. I used
>EarthLink for a time because AOL is a major pain in the ass. I maintain the
>master account for business purposes. I had major service headaches at
>EarthLink switched to a small company here in Florida (Atlantic) and that
>outfit was bombarded by my nemesis. We parted on great terms. I have been
>with Verizon now for a couple years. The guy behind this (MOORE) bombards
>Verizon with complaints every day. They are better equipped to handle them
>or in this case DISREGARD them!
Do you have examples of these complaints? Do they forward them to you?
>
> You may wish to check, your HERO - Moore - was really pissed that then
>AOL Postmaster Scott Crain openly denounced Moore's efforts to TOS my AOL
>account.
I do wish to check. Where can I check this to verify it?
> My do I slightly alter my NYM on Verizon? I am left with little choice.
I'm guessing it's to get around the people who constantly killfile you,
kook.
>And a good reason is clearly demonstrating INTENT! Seeing Moore shift the
>forgeries to conform to my NYM clearly shows the mens rea to stalk and
>harass. MOST people see that.
I'm not sure what much of your gibberish means, kook, but I'd be interested
in knowing more about how "Moore" shifts the forgeries. For that matter, I
would love to see an example of "Moore" actually making a forgery of you.
Can you repost an example?
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:27:25 GMT, Jeffrey F. Bloss
> <jbl...@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote:
> :
> : Howard Goldstein wrote:
> :
> : > : > You don't GET IT you claim that PGP tells "WHO" is posting. It
> : > : > in FACT does NOT! AT ALL!
> : > :
> : > : False.
> : >
> : > He's right. Post your secret key and I'll demonstrate.
> :
> : Thank you for helping prove my point, Howard. Since I'm in possession
> : of said key and you *obviously* are not. This post can at least be
> : proved to originate from my fingers and not yours.
> :
> : Do *all* PGP keys prove ownership? Not necessarily.
>
> Unfortunately (for you?) you've proven my point, not your's.
> Authentication (if it exists, I haven't bothered to check) merely
> suggests that you'd utilized the secret key corresponding to the
> public key. A key readily shared amongst many other individuals.
A notary's stamp can be stolen, and their signature forged. Yet they're
*still* accepted a a legal "certificate of authority" Why do you suppose
that is?
Think real hard, there's no time limit.
> : Can they? Of course they can, and you've just touched on the reason
> : why.
> :
> : :)
>
> What do you mean they "can?"
It's a very simple three letter word. Try www.dictionary.com if you're
confused.
> They either do, or they don't,
By themselves they may not. Combined with the same trust you'd place in any
individual (or not) they most certainly can prove ownership.
--
Hand crafted on October 13, 2005 at 20:25:54 -0400
freedom
"Jeffrey F. Bloss" <jbl...@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote:
>* krp != wrote:
>
>>
>> "Jeffrey F. Bloss" <jbl...@tampabay.mapson.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:7041593.F...@wrench.yi.org...
>>> + krp != wrote:
>>>
>>>> How do I BLOCK the asshole from forging posts in MY name and putting
>>>> them
>>>> up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
>>>
>>> 1. Don't post them.
>>>
>>> 2. If they're forgeries, take legal action. If for some reason you're
>>> unable
>>> to do this, see #1.
>>
>> What rectal logic. Take legal action against WHO? HOW? It's "FREE
>> SPEECH!" See the Telecommunications Decency Act of 1997. Legal action is
>> BARRED.
>
>You're more than free to cite *any* legislation that places forgeries under
>the umbrella of "protected speech" Ken.
There is none. This is yet another of the excuses Ken uses to explain the
continued existence of http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com and the fact that I
and others repeatedly expose him as a liar. If anything being said about
him were untrue, he would have an open and shut case for legal action.
>
>Somehow I rather expect you to substitute a rant for any such citation, but
>by all means dazzle us with even a reference to the section of that law,
>and I'll be more than happy to post it here. I'm looking at a copy as we
>speak.
That's his usual course of action. He never cites actual proof, merely
keeps repeating the same tired lies. It's now been five full years since
his vow to post proof of my "1000 mile restraining order" and "dishonorable
discharge for wife-beating" which he once promised "in 7 to 10 days".
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
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In <1129249...@news.queue.to> hgol...@mpcs.com (Howard Goldstein) wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:17:45 +0000 (UTC), Zax <fle...@bananasplit.info> wrote:
> :
> : ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.privacy.anon-server.]
> : On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:52:39 GMT, Howard Goldstein wrote in
> : Message-Id: <1129247...@news.queue.to>:
> :
> : > Let's cut to the chase. Hand crafted by precisely which human? And
> : > that was Pangborn's point insofar as I can tell, and he's still right:
> : > PGP/GPG validation supplies no assurance of identity between an
> : > individual and "his" purported message.
> :
> : Is my fingerprint proof of identity, or might I have stolen a finger?
>
>Your _key's fingerprint_? No, I assume nothing about fingerprints,
>too many collision opportunities (insert obivousness graphic if you
>have one)
>
>
>Please keep in mind that I assume, at best, an extremely weak (if not
>non-existent for untrustworthy key signers) inference of individual
>identity<>sender. Necessarily, I assign far less significance to any
>purported association between a stupid key fingerprint and an
>individual. It's easy enough to share a real secret key.
>
>(but you know these bits already as you're one of the few folks with a
>clue still here)(yes, I'd suck up a little bit but seriously, there are
>few->none left who understand this (relatively unsophisticated) shit)
Hrm...
"Howard Goldstein" == "Eelbash" == "meqsuser" == "p*ngbr*n" == "Bluejay" == "Frog Admin"
killfilter set, problem sovled.
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AD
But the same could be said of any medium. Someone could abuse from an AOL
address, or a Comcast address,etc. Or they could send a harassing letter
via the postal service or pick up a pay telephone and make a harassing
phone call.
>
>But to return to your example, what worries me just a little bit
>is when I think of the proportion of damage suffered by the poor
>"Mike Smith" whose name is being forged by the anonymous person
>using the remailer, and compare that with the damage suffered by
>another "Mike Smith" whose post is deleted because he shares the
>same name as the unfortunate "Mike Smith" whose name is being
>forged by the anonymous person.
In the instance I was talking about, nobody is being forged. I was
referring to the situation where a post is being sent by "Mike Smith" but
without a specific e-mail address. (Note that my nick is "AD" but I don't
include an e-mail address, rather the remailer assigns a default one.)
Now, the "poor" Mr. Smith to whom you refer is not being forged, unless
he's the only person in the world to have that name. First and foremost,
how can he prove that the actual poster's name isn't, also, Mike Smith?
Now, if the poor Mike Smith owns an account "mikesm...@earthlink.net"
and someone other than him sends a post from that e-mail address, then yes
a forgery has occurred. To the best of my knowledge, our fine remops can
and will put a block on that. It's also possible for the "real" Mike Smith
to sign his posts with PGP, which can be used to verify that the messages
in question are, in fact, signed by "mikesm...@earthlink.net".
>
>I am just an old person who knows just enough about remailers to
>get into trouble :) but it does seem to me that the "Mike Smith"
>whose message, be it to or fro "Mike Smith", has disappeared into
>the 'bit bucket' of the remailer, it does seem to me that he is
>suffering much less by losing his message than the unfortunate
>"Mike Smith" is suffering who has his name forged by some
>anonymous person.
Interesting. What if someone bearing your name in your community were the
victim of postal mail fraud, and as a countermeasure, the post office began
setting aside any mail you sent out and discarding it? You probably would
look at this a different way.
>
>So, it seems to me, and I speak in all humility as someone who is
>far, far from an expert in these matters which are things I leave
>to you young people to understand, but it does seem to me, that
>there may be a question, a legitimate question, as to whether or
>not the "Mike Smith" whose name is being forged, deserves
>protection by the remailer operator even at the expense of the
>other "Mike Smith"'s messages being deleted.
Another point you should probably consider is that in the instant case,
"Mike Smith" is Kenny Pangborn. He's complained about forgeries for years.
Remailer operators have tried to help him by:
1. Advising him how to request his name be blocked.
2. Asked him to post examples of these forgeries, which nobody has ever
seen.
3. Tried to explain to him how remailers operate.
He's never been civil, nor provided any actual example which proves that he
was forged. What he has done is lie several times, first claiming to be a
member of EFF 10 years before it even existed, and just the other day
claiming that a Netherlands remailer operator addressed Congress in 1995.
Most likely this is all just Kenny's way of getting attention and finding
excuses to complain about the remailers.
>So I suppose what I am saying is that we cannot simply dismiss the
>idea of 'blocking' certain messages just because doing so will
>cause other messages which have to do with someone with the same
>name but different email address of the first person to be
>deleted.
>
>We must think about the relative damages done to each of them and
>then make a decision as to 'bit bucket' or not 'bit bucket'!
>
>Well, reading that, I see it is a bit cumbersome, but I hope I
>have made myself clear.
Yeah, but I would have to disagree. A nickname is just that, there is
nothing saying that it's the only person by that name. Therefore it's not
a forgery.
freedom
"* krp !=" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>news:2MILUNRI3863...@reece.net.au...
>> Thrasher Admin <thrashe...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Seemingly, this guy has a habit of going through a lot of names, most
>> probably because he violates the service agreements for these ISP's. IIRC
>> his first major attack on APAS 5 years ago was from an Earthlink address,
>> and he was bent out of shape because AOL had just TOSsed him.
>
> That's largely bullshit. I still have my AOL account.
Make a single post from the Pa...@aol.com address. Go on, I dare you.
AOL suspended it
>once because of FORGERIES to it. When they had learned I was in the hospital
>when those racist messages were posted the account was restored. I used
>EarthLink for a time because AOL is a major pain in the ass. I maintain the
>master account for business purposes. I had major service headaches at
>EarthLink switched to a small company here in Florida (Atlantic) and that
>outfit was bombarded by my nemesis. We parted on great terms.
Yes...."don't let the door hit you on your fat ass on the way out" were the
Atlantic administrator's exact words, I believe, after they terminated your
account for abuse.
Oh, and you left out your stint with Internet Junction, where you pretended
to be "John/Tom Gault" for a couple years. Proof of this alias, which you
deny, is available at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.
http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com
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^ krp !
"freedom" <abou...@KRPaboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
news:8c75cd183a1b07a5...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> What rectal logic. Take legal action against WHO? HOW? It's "FREE
>>> SPEECH!" See the Telecommunications Decency Act of 1997. Legal action is
>>> BARRED.
>>You're more than free to cite *any* legislation that places forgeries
>>under
>>the umbrella of "protected speech" Ken.
You havs claimed so on MANY occasions Davey. Calling it as a "RIGHT" ...
Sadly thus far prosecutors have agreed with you nthat it is an enshrined 1st
Amendment RIGHT extended to the internet because of the TCDA of 97.
> There is none. This is yet another of the excuses Ken uses to explain the
> continued existence of http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com and the fact that I
> and others repeatedly expose him as a liar. If anything being said about
> him were untrue, he would have an open and shut case for legal action.
Oh BULLSHIT Moore - - - YOU write that "Disgreace to All mankind" post
using cut and past of several messages I wrote. YOUR defense is to claim I
had it NUKED...
Amazingly had it NUKED from an account of mine YOU claim that you had NUKED
for abuse... Which is it Davey boy? WHICH IS IT?
They can look at your SHITHOLE website with FAKE former clients and
posts that have been slightly altered to outright FABRICATED by you! ALL
ANONYMOUSLY.
^ krp !
>>
>> What rectal logic. Take legal action against WHO? HOW? It's "FREE
>> SPEECH!" See the Telecommunications Decency Act of 1997. Legal action is
>> BARRED.
>
> You're more than free to cite *any* legislation that places forgeries
> under
> the umbrella of "protected speech" Ken.
>
> Somehow I rather expect you to substitute a rant for any such citation,
> but
> by all means dazzle us with even a reference to the section of that law,
> and I'll be more than happy to post it here. I'm looking at a copy as we
> speak.
Look at the Telecommunications Decency Act of 1997. Forgeries on the
internet thanks to the language of the act are considered "FREE SPEECH."
Try to find a lawyer willing to take a case into court to prove otherwise.
^ krp !
>* krp != wrote:
>
>> Sure go to Moore's www.aboutkenpangborn.com then look for his post
>> "DISGRACE" that he attributes to me. You'll find it doesn't exist.
>>
>> Now here is what you are confronted with. Moore claims I had it NUKED.
>> But Google's rules are that the request to delete a post must come from
>> the account that posted it. IF as is maintained here my AOL account was
>> TOS'd - then I would not do that, could I? So either I still have my AOL
>> account OR the claim is false. So either Moore is lying when he claims to
>> have had my AOL account yanked, OR he's lying about me NUKING the post. I
>> never made it. He claims it proves I wanted a woman raped... Even what he
>> has doesn't really say that.
>
> In truth, it's you who is lying. This can be easily proved by reading
> Google's help pages.
LYING?
>
> From http://www.google.com/googlegroups/help.html#9 :
>
> -----snip----
>
> If you would like to request the removal of posts made by you, but the
> email address from which you posted is no longer valid, you may send an
> e-mail to groups-...@google.com that contains the following items:
>
> your full name and contact information, including an email address that
> can be verified;
>
> the complete Google Groups URL (or message ID) for each individual
> message you would like to have suppressed;
>
> a statement that says "I swear under penalty of civil or criminal laws
> that I am the person who posted each of the foregoing messages or am
> authorized to request removal by the person who posted those messages.";
> and your signature (electronic).
Well here it takes somebody looking to do that kind of shit to know
that. I was under the belief you could only do it from the account. Hmmm
that is interesting..
I was NOT aware of that. BUT I never had ANYTHING "nuked." The post is a
forgery.
^ krp !
>> Oh cut the tired old BULLSHIT! HOW in God's name can ANYONE claim to
>> be
>>SAVING people in a totalitarian state, specific example Afghanistan in
>>2001?
>>When they had NO electricity, NO phones, and owning anything electronic
>>calld for a beheading? CUT THE BULLSHIT!
>
> I can't recall anyone giving a "specific example" of Afghanistan. Can you
> give a pointer of where someone said that?
Give an example of a totalitarian state you ARE getting FREE INFORMATION
into and out of via a remailer then!
The claim of Afghanistan was made in 2001. It was BULLSHIT then as it is
today. Even today only 15% of the country has ANY
electricity. Phone service is spotty at best. But feel free to name a
country. FIRST CLUE - do NOT try to use Cuba..............
^ krp !
>* krp != wrote:
>
>> The ACTUAL "owner" of any PGP key is NOT verified. It merely
>> signifies
>> that the message content verifies NOT who sent it. Anyone can lend their
>> PGP key to anyone else. Suggesting that the REAL author of a PGP signed
>> message can be determined is NONSENSE.
>
> The only nonsense here is your sweeping generalization. If that nonsense
> had
> any basis in fact at all, there would be absolutely no reason for trust
> models. There wouldn't be differing levels of trust, nor any method by
> which to validate a key with your own endorsement.
>
> As I stated earlier, if cryptographic signatures had no value in proving
> ownership, entities like Stamper and Verisign could not exist. A random
> PGP
> signature may not prove anything but integrity, but once the ownership of
> a
> key by a trusted party has been established, that signature also weilds
> the
> weight of authenticity.
PGP works between people who KNOW each other and know the KEY of that
person, between people. On UseNet PGP is 150% meaningless!
PERIOD!
^ krp !
>* krp != wrote:
>
>> Yeah well shifting characters becomes necessary when the vandal has
>> thousands of other remailers to choose from.
>
> In your universe 32 is synonymous to "thousands"?
Worldwide only 32?
^ krp !
> And if I'm a person who wants to silence speech on a particular newsgroup,
> all I have to then do is to access a remailer, and attack myself in said
> newsgroup repeatedly, then come scream about it in APAS. Sound familiar
> at
> all, kook?
Sounds like RATIONALIZATION............... *I* have NEVER NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER NEVER used a remailer. GOT IT MORON? NEVER!
I do NOT have the anonymizing software on my computers. PERIOD!
I have not ever accessed a remailer other than to ask the remop to block
forgeries.
^ krp !
>>> Hi, we would like to help you. Can you please post an example of one of
>>> these forged posts in your name, with full headers, and a URL to the
>>> page
>>> on the web where this is being posted as proof?
>>
>>
>>Sure go to Moore's www.aboutkenpangborn.com then look for his post
>>"DISGRACE" that he attributes to me. You'll find it doesn't exist.
>
> Are you referring to http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com/racism.html which
> reproduces a 1997 post with full headers?
You cal THAT "FULL HEADERS" REALLY?
> Nothing indicating a remailer appears anywhere in the post. Where is your
> proof that some guy is forging your ID through a remailer, and then
> putting
> it on a website?
OF COURSE NOT DIPSHIT! EVER hear of EDITING??????????????????????" EVER?
>>Now here is what you are confronted with. Moore claims I had it NUKED.
>>But
>>Google's rules are that the request to delete a post must come from the
>>account that posted it. IF as is maintained here my AOL account was
>>TOS'd -
>>then I would not do that, could I? So either I still have my AOL account
>>OR
>>the claim is false. So either Moore is lying when he claims to have had my
>>AOL account yanked, OR he's lying about me NUKING the post. I never made
>>it.
> IMO you're trying to smokescreen. The post you are talking about on the
> website was made in late 1997. Your termination from AOL, which you
> confirmed on usenet at http://makeashorterlink.com/?J151359FB, was in
> 2000.
> That would give you nearly three years to nuke the post.
But I was NOT terminated from AOL. Only temporarily til;l I was able to
prove I had been in the hopspital.
> Couple other things, the page on the website also does provide a
> compelling
> link to a couple Google-archived posts where you commented on the original
> post's content, but didn't deny making the post. And there is also the
> fact that you seem to have no problem with lying. In your previous post I
> caught you lying about the Replay remop addressing Congress in 1995.
Fukkk you asshole. I might have been mistaken about WHO testified but
NOT the testimony. Nor the ongoing BULLSHIT posted here pover the past
couple weeks making those SAME insipid claims.
>>He claims it proves I wanted a woman raped... Even what he has doesn't
>>really say that.
> I would agree with you on this, kook. But you would be better off just
> sticking to that story rather than, as it appears, trying to deny that you
> made the post.
Look the posts I made later make it clear that most of the content of
that post I wrote. Just NOT as ONE message. What our slimy motherfukker did
was to compile several posts edit them heaving add some words and claim I
sent it. And the original posts I made were SARCASM............. THAT post
with all that stuff lumped together I did NOT write. Now if you look HARD
enough you CAN find a different post under that message ID that I *DID*
write.
See your HERO Moore pasted a REAL post header on what he assembled..
^ krp !
"freedom" <abou...@KRPaboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>
>>Nothing indicating a remailer appears anywhere in the post.
> Nope, it originated from Ken's own AOL account. He later nuked the post.
BULLSHIT you are a LIAR Moore. YOU compiled that post. BTW if somebody
checks otherwise the REAL post still exists with that ID.
> Where is your
>>proof that some guy is forging your ID through a remailer, and then
>>putting
>>it on a website?
> Nobody is doing any such thing. http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com consists
> mostly of Ken's own postings, many of which are independently verifiable
> in
> Google.
Not if you look CLOSELY at them Davey,
>>
>>>
^ krp !
"freedom" <abou...@KRPaboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>Now here is what you are confronted with. Moore claims I had it NUKED.
>
> You did. Proof of this is available at http://www.aboutkenpangborn.com.
PROOF that I had it NUKED? Now Davey PLEASE tell me HOW you PROVE a post
was NUKED? Are there NUKEprints?
^ krp !
"Thrasher Admin" <thrashe...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:Y1895IDV3863...@reece.net.au...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----->>
>> >> >How do I BLOCK the asshole from forging posts in MY name and putting
>> >> >them
>> >> >up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
>> >>
>> >> in
>> >> question, who WILL be able to block your e-mail address from being
>> >> forged,
>> >> provided that you're the owner of it. If that doesn't work, retain a
>> >> lawyer and sue the person who is putting up forgeries.
>> >>
>> >> You were told all of this 5 years ago and you still haven't done
>> >> anything
>> >> about it. Either way, it's not a remailer issue at all.
>> >
>> > It becomes very difficult (if not impossible) to implement such blocks
>> > when the person requesting it continually changes their name/alias.
>> >
>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>> > Version: N/A
>>
>>
>> REMOP sees targeted newsgroups being abused by a stalker to go after a
>> specific "mark" and he sees that the only posts from his remailer
>> appearing
>> on that newsgroup - is to clock sending things to those newsgroups.
>> THAT takes the steam out of the vandal entirely.
>
> I admit, it is easy enough to block a newsgroup but it becomes an
> exercise in futility when the person making the complaint not only
> keeps replying to the posts in question, but adds more newsgroups in
> the process.
Maybe you MISS that those posts also appear in those other newsgroups as
well just not as crossposts. It saves having to reply in all of them
repeatedly.
Oh so I should tolerate the abuse and allegations Including the MOST VULGAR
SEXUAL allegations about my wife and children because it upsets YOU
if I do deny his allegations? You want me to be a stationary target for
the abuse? That's how this asshole sells his lies.
^ krp !
"Howard Goldstein" <hgol...@mpcs.com> wrote in message
news:1129249...@news.queue.to...> : ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.privacy.anon-server.]
> : On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:52:39 GMT, Howard Goldstein wrote in
> : Message-Id: <1129247...@news.queue.to>:
> :
> : > Let's cut to the chase. Hand crafted by precisely which human? And
> : > that was Pangborn's point insofar as I can tell, and he's still right:
> : > PGP/GPG validation supplies no assurance of identity between an
> : > individual and "his" purported message.
> :
> : Is my fingerprint proof of identity, or might I have stolen a finger?
>
> too many collision opportunities (insert obivousness graphic if you
> have one)
>
>
> Please keep in mind that I assume, at best, an extremely weak (if not
> non-existent for untrustworthy key signers) inference of individual
> identity<>sender. Necessarily, I assign far less significance to any
> purported association between a stupid key fingerprint and an
> individual. It's easy enough to share a real secret key.
>
> (but you know these bits already as you're one of the few folks with a
> clue still here)(yes, I'd suck up a little bit but seriously, there are
> few->none left who understand this (relatively unsophisticated) shit)
Of course one point that the "COMPUTER HACKER GENIUSES" miss is that is fine
within the thin atmosphere of the GEEKS out there. But the
99.999999999999999999999999999% of the users out there have NO idea of PGP
at all. SOME IDIOTS think it is some form of guarantee that the message
contents are the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
PGP means SQUAT!
^ krp !
"Carole Samgrass" <carolu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3JD72CIW38639.3398726852@reece.net.au...
But only the posts from the remailer version of Mike Smith would disappear
and not those of the real mike...@yahoo.com.
^ krp !
> Carole Samgrass <carolu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well, this is certainly a complex situation. As someone who uses
>>remailers, I do see that they have a useful place in our wonderful
>>internet, but as we all know, are also subject to abuse of the
>>most awful kind!
>
> But the same could be said of any medium. Someone could abuse from an AOL
> address, or a Comcast address,etc. Or they could send a harassing letter
> via the postal service or pick up a pay telephone and make a harassing
> phone call.
AHA! The point is that if you did 1% of the shit that is done from remailers
via a postal letter you WOULD have your ass in jail! You CAN send a death
threat via e-mail and there is NO crime.......... But send it, no matter how
ANONYMOUSLY through the U.S. Mail and you'll find two things. It WILL be
investigated by the postal inspectors, and if you send them with any
regularity, they WILL trace your ass down, and then you WILL sit in the
slammer for a time.
^ krp !
Absolutely. If he did the SAME things via the U.S. mail he'd be in jail. If
he put the same things in a newspaper or magazine or on TV or radio I could
sue his ass. As long as it is electronic he walks free!
^ krp !
> "* krp !=" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>>news:2MILUNRI3863...@reece.net.au...
>>> Thrasher Admin <thrashe...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Seemingly, this guy has a habit of going through a lot of names, most
>>> probably because he violates the service agreements for these ISP's.
>>> IIRC
>>> his first major attack on APAS 5 years ago was from an Earthlink
>>> address,
>>> and he was bent out of shape because AOL had just TOSsed him.
>>
>> That's largely bullshit. I still have my AOL account.
>
> In the following Google thread, you can be found making statements that
> AOL
> has terminated your account, including an explanation of why:
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?J151359FB
>
> In the many posts in the thread, you blame "Moore" for your downfall (big
> surprise there!) but still with no evidence that he actually exists.
Yep and as I said the account was restored. Moore did the forgeries and
Moore did the complaints.
>> You may wish to check, your HERO - Moore - was really pissed that
>> then
>>AOL Postmaster Scott Crain openly denounced Moore's efforts to TOS my AOL
>>account.
> I do wish to check. Where can I check this to verify it?
I am not sure of Scott Carin's own posts are still up but search soc.men
for scott crain and see. There was a great deal of bitcvhing about Scott
from Stacy and Moore.
^ krp !
> Fritz Wuehler <fr...@spamexpire-200510.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>
> wrote:>>>news:NY0MUVY13863...@reece.net.au...
>>>> Thrasher Remailer <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:37:55 +0000, + krp ! wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I strongly disagree that they should block just a name. As you point
>>>> out,
>>>> there are many people by that name. The kook, er individual, in
>>>> question
>>>> does not own the rights to that name. And if a remop DOES decide to
>>>> block
>>>> the name, then what happens the next time there is a problem? What if
>>>> next
>>>> time, it's someone named "Mike Smith" who says they are being forged?
>>>> becomes a slippery slope, and now that the remop has done it for one
>>>> person, he has to do it for the next?
>>>>
>>>> ignore
>>>> people who are obviously baiting him, and learn to use a killfile.
>>>> Second
>>>> he could learn how to sign his posts with PGP. Third, he could stop
>>>> attacking and lying to the people who often try to help him.
>>>
>>>them
>>>up as "PROOF" on his website dickhead?
>>
>>these forged posts in your name, with full headers, and a URL to the page
>>on the web where this is being posted as proof?
>
> a
> post which didn't come through a remailer, and which looks like he wrote
> himself.
How can you PROVE that it did NOT come from a remailer? You see PARTIAL
headers on that site. BUT - they can be (I suggest ARE edited)...........
^ krp !
"freedom" <abou...@KRPaboutISkenApangbornFRAUD.com> wrote in message
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
> "* krp !=" <web2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>"AD" <thra...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
>>news:2MILUNRI3863...@reece.net.au...
>>> Thrasher Admin <thrashe...@reece.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Seemingly, this guy has a habit of going through a lot of names, most
>>> probably because he violates the service agreements for these ISP's.
>>> IIRC
>>> his first major attack on APAS 5 years ago was from an Earthlink
>>> address,
>>> and he was bent out of shape because AOL had just TOSsed him.
>>
>> That's largely bullshit. I still have my AOL account.
>
> Make a single post from the Pa...@aol.com address. Go on, I dare you.
Davey I have posted from the MASTER account many times and you TRIED to get
that one terminated too. Those can be found as well as your bitching about
it on Google.
Also you continue making complaints about it even though AOL no longer gives
direct usenet access. Which I find both pathetic and amusing on your part. I
keep getting questions,
did I post this or that.............. <YAWN> You know what's funny
Davey ---- those complaints flying when I haven't even logged onto AOL in
3 months. It says up for others in my office to use for personal
correspondence.,....
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> VULGAR SEXUAL allegations about my wife and children because it upsets YOU
> if I do deny his allegations? You want me to be a stationary target for
> the abuse? That's how this asshole sells his lies.
No Ken, *you* sell his lies, if that's what they are, with your own
behavior. You have a long and proved history of acting like a juvenile.
That causes people to believe almost anything that's said about you. If you
grow up a bit, actually *take* the moral high ground in stead of prattling
on about how you have it, and stop acting like your diapers are full every
time someone takes a swipe at you, two things will happen... the BS will
die down to a simmer, and you *might* gain some amount of credibility.
Yeah, I know. I'm talking to a stump. You don't have that skill, do you Ken?
You lack the ability to act like an adult. You prove that every time your
fingers hit the keys. I'd love for you to prove me wrong here, and take
your quibble elsewhere, but I suspect that if I put my hand on top of my
head until this idiocy stopped it would grow there.
<sigh>
--
Hand crafted on October 14, 2005 at 11:15:33 -0400
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> PGP works between people who KNOW each other and know the KEY of that
> person, between people. On UseNet PGP is 150% meaningless!
Take it up with Stamper and Verisign, Ken. They're only two of many such
entities that rely on the fact that their keys are trusted, and prove
origin. Verisign especially. Their entire CA business lives or dies by
their ability to prove *they* are the ones signing/distributing keys. And
they seem to be doing quite well.
Sorry buddy, you're wrong. I don't expect someone like you to admit that,
but the facts are what they are.
--
Hand crafted on October 14, 2005 at 11:05:59 -0400
Jeffrey F. Bloss
> Sounds like RATIONALIZATION............... *I* have NEVER NEVER NEVER
> NEVER NEVER NEVER used a remailer. GOT IT MORON? NEVER!
> I do NOT have the anonymizing software on my computers. PERIOD!
Message-ID: <TNK938ME3841...@reece.net.au>
Message-ID: <tjhXd.77945$Dc.44771@trnddc06>
The same message posted first through a remailer, then through your own
account.
There's nothing wrong with using remailers, and no reason to deny you use
them unless that use is the very thing you keep whining about. Abuse.
You're obviously lying about using remailers, so it's safe to assume that
you are in fact an abusive remailer user. Given your proven appetite for
protracted childshness, it's a good bet you use them to abuse groups and
people with some regularity.
See how your own behavior sells someone elses story, Ken?
You could change all that. Do you have it in you? Got the ability to lift
yourself out of the muck by your boot straps and act like the
"professional" you claim to be?
--
Hand crafted on October 14, 2005 at 11:31:07 -0400
Jeffrey F. Bloss
>> Make a single post from the Pa...@aol.com address. Go on, I dare you.
> Davey I have posted from the MASTER account many times and you TRIED to
> get that one terminated too. Those can be found as well as your bitching
> about it on Google.
So you can't make that post then?
Obviously you're lying.
And FWIW, I'm not "Davey" so don't even go there.
--
Hand crafted on October 14, 2005 at 11:57:08 -0400
& krp !
>^ krp ! wrote:
>
>> PGP works between people who KNOW each other and know the KEY of that
>> person, between people. On UseNet PGP is 150% meaningless!
>
> Take it up with Stamper and Verisign, Ken. They're only two of many such
> entities that rely on the fact that their keys are trusted, and prove
> origin. Verisign especially. Their entire CA business lives or dies by
> their ability to prove *they* are the ones signing/distributing keys. And
> they seem to be doing quite well.
>
> Sorry buddy, you're wrong. I don't expect someone like you to admit that,
> but the facts are what they are.
They are BULLSHIT.... They can be trusted Jeff BUT ... WHAT FOR? NOT to
giove the REAL identity of who is using them. Here is a TEST for you. Go to
the posts of FREEDOM and tell us WHO is making the mposts and FROM
WHERE.............. We'll all wait.
& krp !
>^ krp ! wrote:
>
>> VULGAR SEXUAL allegations about my wife and children because it upsets
>> YOU
>> if I do deny his allegations? You want me to be a stationary target for
>> the abuse? That's how this asshole sells his lies.
>
> No Ken, *you* sell his lies, if that's what they are,
You have said enough there to tell me all I need or want to know about you!
& krp !
>^ krp ! wrote:
>
>> Sounds like RATIONALIZATION............... *I* have NEVER NEVER NEVER
>> NEVER NEVER NEVER used a remailer. GOT IT MORON? NEVER!
>> I do NOT have the anonymizing software on my computers. PERIOD!
>
> Message-ID: <TNK938ME3841...@reece.net.au>
> Message-ID: <tjhXd.77945$Dc.44771@trnddc06>
>
> The same message posted first through a remailer, then through your own
> account.
>
\
& krp !
>^ krp ! wrote:
>
>>> Make a single post from the Pa...@aol.com address. Go on, I dare you.
>
>> Davey I have posted from the MASTER account many times and you TRIED to
>> get that one terminated too. Those can be found as well as your bitching
>> about it on Google.
>
> So you can't make that post then?
>
> Obviously you're lying.
I am not GOING to. It was a condition made with AOL that I would not
post to usenet using that screen name. The POINT is that I kept my MASTER
account.
I can send you an email from it and we can have an end to this, BUT I doubt
it. Say do you realize you are losing the argument with Howard? Do you, as
an EXPERT on this computer stuff know who he is?