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Bobby Stoops

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Jul 9, 2001, 9:37:02 AM7/9/01
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What makes Floridians so stupid?

Bobby Bowden claims he runs a clean program at FSU, and every red and gold
bandwaggoneer beleives him.

Steve Spurriier has a clause in his contract that he has to be the highest paid
college football coach in America, but when was he last time he earned that
paycheck?

The blue-haired yankees down in West Palm Beach can't read a butterfly ballot
if their Social Security checks depended on it.

NASCAR fixes the Pepsi 400, and the Lynyrd Skynyrd/ Allman Brothers listeners
don't suspect a damn thing.

And finally...

The Gators let me leave for Oklahoma where I win a National Championship in two
years.


--
Bob S.

Marsha

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Jul 9, 2001, 9:58:19 AM7/9/01
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Nascar didn't fix the race and had you watched it he won because he was the best
that day. No, I'm not a fan of his, Gordon is the one I wanted to win

greg

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Jul 9, 2001, 10:05:47 AM7/9/01
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Please to not amuse the trolls


Scott Hendryx

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Jul 9, 2001, 10:16:49 AM7/9/01
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I stole this from RSFC, it was in the rong newgroop, so I fixed it.

I thought the WWF was fixed, that is until the Nascar race this weekend!!!

Scott--Beer, Helping ugly people have sex since 1862!

rh...@megabits.net

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Jul 9, 2001, 11:33:04 AM7/9/01
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On 9 Jul 2001 13:37:02 GMT, bo...@soonermagic.com (Bobby Stoops) wrote:

>What makes Floridians so stupid?

They are not floridians, Just New Yorkers with a Tan. <G>

Now just take your skank butt to Olahoma and we be happy..:)

Just my opinion..

Bob

Richard Stroud

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Jul 9, 2001, 11:58:29 AM7/9/01
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"Bobby Stoops" <bo...@soonermagic.com> wrote in message
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Don't forget the thousands of sharks that roam the beaches looking for a
tasty morsel of kindergarten appetizers.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 9, 2001, 11:54:11 AM7/9/01
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Bobby Stoops (bo...@soonermagic.com) wrote:
: What makes Floridians so stupid?

In FL they just like to know the outcome of things before they begin!

:
: Bobby Bowden claims he runs a clean program at FSU, and every red and gold

:

Trent Woodruff

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Jul 9, 2001, 6:49:52 PM7/9/01
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>Marsha was cut from the North Texas football team for saying...

>Nascar didn't fix the race and had you watched it he won because he was the best
>that day. No, I'm not a fan of his, Gordon is the one I wanted to win

So who do you think will win the WWF tournament?


Trent
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Marsha

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Jul 9, 2001, 7:32:49 PM7/9/01
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I could care less

Maximum Power

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Jul 9, 2001, 7:57:20 PM7/9/01
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You forgot that Floridians don't know how to vote. ;)

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Marsha

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Jul 9, 2001, 8:08:23 PM7/9/01
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Just one county

Trent Woodruff

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Jul 10, 2001, 1:54:17 AM7/10/01
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>Marsha was cut from the North Texas football team for saying...
>>Trent Woodruff wrote:
>>>Marsha was cut from the North Texas football team for saying...

>>>Nascar didn't fix the race and had you watched it he won because he was the best
>>>that day. No, I'm not a fan of his, Gordon is the one I wanted to win

>> So who do you think will win the WWF tournament?

>I could care less

Good! So then since you care so much (or did you mean you COULDN'T
CARE LESS, you redneck, toothless, Rebel flag-waving, oval-watching,
WWF-cheering cluefuck?), who do you think will win the WWF tournament?

Carl Banks

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Jul 9, 2001, 11:52:51 PM7/9/01
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exactly what drugs were you under the influence of when you wrote:
>
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> ___.. ------/______//-----------/. (( )
> /.".--.``` | 3 - /.--. =: __-/ ( ))
> (.: { } :__L______: { } :__; __-- ( __- -_= )
> *--* *--*

So, what, the above is Dale Sr's car after the crash???


--
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The most powerful man on RASN

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 10, 2001, 10:23:53 AM7/10/01
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Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: Just one county

No, actually, there were many voided votes in other counties too.

:

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John Laidler

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Jul 10, 2001, 10:37:17 AM7/10/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" wrote:
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> Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : Just one county
>
> No, actually, there were many voided votes in other counties too.
>


There were voided votes all over the country, it happens in every
election.

Marsha

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Jul 10, 2001, 11:45:21 AM7/10/01
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It sure does

tmgs

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Jul 10, 2001, 12:43:01 PM7/10/01
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On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:08:23 -0400, Marsha <mhuc...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>Just one county

Yea anf full of bluehairs from the north

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"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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> Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : Just one county
>
> No, actually, there were many voided votes in other counties too.

There are morons too stupid to execute a ballot everywhere, only in Florida
they mattered.
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Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 11, 2001, 10:51:32 AM7/11/01
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-v- (vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid) wrote:
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: "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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The latest analysis shows votes were voided in low-income districts 3-4
times as much as in high-income districts. Hmmm.....

-v-

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Jul 11, 2001, 11:23:32 AM7/11/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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A moron too stupid to complete a ballot is a moron regardless.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 11, 2001, 1:52:30 PM7/11/01
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-v- (vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid) wrote:
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: "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
: news:9ihp5k$nho$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
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Well, according to you right-wingers, the undervotes on the recount went
for Bush, so perhaps you're right....

John Laidler

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Jul 11, 2001, 2:09:10 PM7/11/01
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Undervotes didn't go for Bush or gore, under votes are votes that don't
have a presidential selection.
But if the under votes were counted the liberal way, with dimples, then
the majority went to Bush.

The stupidity is the idiots who voted for Buchanan instead of Gore.
Morons !!!

rh...@megabits.net

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Jul 11, 2001, 3:26:59 PM7/11/01
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Something to do with Literacy(sp).. <G>

Bob, who does fonics


On 11 Jul 2001 10:51:32 -0400, lpa...@emory.edu (Lloyd R. Parker)
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rh...@megabits.net

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Jul 11, 2001, 3:30:18 PM7/11/01
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:23:32 GMT, "-v-"
<vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid> wrote:

>
>"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
>news:9ihp5k$nho$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
>> -v- (vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid) wrote:
>> :
>> : "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
>> : news:9if35p$a1v$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
>> : > Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
>> : > : Just one county
>> : >
>> : > No, actually, there were many voided votes in other counties too.
>> :
>> : There are morons too stupid to execute a ballot everywhere, only in
>Florida
>> : they mattered.
>> : --
>> : -v-
>> : Go #8 #20 #29
>> :
>> :
>> :
>> :
>>
>> The latest analysis shows votes were voided in low-income districts 3-4
>> times as much as in high-income districts. Hmmm.....
>>
>A moron too stupid to complete a ballot is a moron regardless.

fortunately the voteing Morons in Florida were Democrats.. <G>

No One Special

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Jul 11, 2001, 5:22:34 PM7/11/01
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Let's see, global generalizations are usually frowned on in the scientific
community. By making generalizations, you must have used experiments,
because you cannot infer causal relationships with correlations. Can I see
your data? What was your representative sample? P values for your trials?
Has your testing been replicated? You documented you findings in a newsgroup
about NASCAR, so I guess that is close enough to a scientific journal.

Oh gee! You are working with limited foresight and anecdotal evidence! I
guess I am stupid. Must be because I live in Florida. I guess I should start
acting like I am stupid.

duhhhh, yall is be pickin on us cuz we ain't right

Somebody said once that it is better to keep your mouth shut and appear
stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.


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Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 12, 2001, 11:48:07 AM7/12/01
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John Laidler (jlai...@duckworth-associates.com) wrote:

No, just were picked up by a machine.

: But if the under votes were counted the liberal way, with dimples, then


: the majority went to Bush.
:
: The stupidity is the idiots who voted for Buchanan instead of Gore.
: Morons !!!

How about the ones who punched Gore's dot AND wrote in his name (just to
make sure, I guess)? They weren't counted either. Wasn't their intent
clear?

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 12, 2001, 11:53:16 AM7/12/01
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rh...@megabits.net wrote:
: On Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:23:32 GMT, "-v-"
: >
: >
: >
: >
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:

Or posters here (your sentence doesn't start with a capital, a word in the
middle of your sentence does, "voteing" is misspelled).

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 12, 2001, 11:55:53 AM7/12/01
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No One Special (Webmaster@"nospam"canoesport.cc) wrote:
: Let's see, global generalizations are usually frowned on in the scientific

: community. By making generalizations, you must have used experiments,
: because you cannot infer causal relationships with correlations. Can I see
: your data? What was your representative sample? P values for your trials?
: Has your testing been replicated? You documented you findings in a newsgroup
: about NASCAR, so I guess that is close enough to a scientific journal.

What global generalizations did I make? What causal relationships did I
state?

Perhaps if you actually read the posts you responded to...


:
: Oh gee! You are working with limited foresight and anecdotal evidence! I


: guess I am stupid. Must be because I live in Florida. I guess I should start
: acting like I am stupid.
:
: duhhhh, yall is be pickin on us cuz we ain't right
:
: Somebody said once that it is better to keep your mouth shut and appear
: stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

Someone also said only cowards don't put their name behind what they say.

:
:
: "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message

:
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Not A Fool

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Jul 12, 2001, 12:29:25 PM7/12/01
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In article <9ikha9$77u$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd R. Parker says...

>
>
>Someone also said only cowards don't put their name behind what they say.
>
>:
>:

What a scathing comeback , Lloyd. And to return the adolescent attack on your
level:

"fools names like their faces often seen in public places"

Someone said that also.

Never change dude. We like you predictable.

Not A Fool


Not A Fool

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Jul 12, 2001, 12:47:57 PM7/12/01
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In article <9ikha9$77u$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd R. Parker says...
>
>
>Someone also said only cowards don't put their name behind what they say.
>
>:
>:

What a scathing comeback , Lloyd. And to return the adolescent attack on your

John Laidler

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Jul 12, 2001, 12:20:55 PM7/12/01
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I believe you're talking about the ones who voted for Buchanan and wrote
in Gore.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 12, 2001, 4:58:51 PM7/12/01
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John Laidler (jlai...@duckworth-associates.com) wrote:
: "Lloyd R. Parker" wrote:
: >

Some, but some punched Gore and wrote his name in. Probably butterfly
ballots where the voter meant to punch Gore and did, but wasn't SURE
he/she had punched Gore or Buchanan.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Not A Fool (nos...@newsranger.com) wrote:
: In article <9ikha9$77u$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd R. Parker says...
:
:

Perhaps, but you are a coward.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Not A Fool (nos...@newsranger.com) wrote:
: In article <9ikha9$77u$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd R. Parker says...
:
:

Post #2 is a duplicate of your previous post. Not a fool but perhaps the
Village Idiot?

Not A Fool

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Jul 13, 2001, 7:41:13 AM7/13/01
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In article <9il355$1fr$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd R. Parker says...

>
>>
>Post #2 is a duplicate of your previous post. Not a fool but perhaps the
>Village Idiot?

Another brillant post . Keep them comming.

Not A Fool


Not A Fool

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Jul 13, 2001, 7:44:21 AM7/13/01
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In article <9il340$1dh$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>, Lloyd R. Parker tries to salvage
a desperate loss...

>
>>
>Perhaps, but you are a coward.

Wow. That was crushing. I am really hurt that you would think that of me. You
are a usenet god. Keep them coming!

Not A Fool


The Wizard David

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Jul 13, 2001, 7:28:20 PM7/13/01
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Lloyd, you are the coward.

David


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Vijay Ramanujan

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In article <esL37.53$O04.15...@typhoon.cei.net>,

"The Wizard David" <dst...@cei.net> wrote:

> Lloyd, you are the coward.

IF YOU DON'T TAKE YOUR PETTY DISPUTES OUT OF RSFC BY SEPTEMBER FIRST, WE
WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU.

FEAR THE BOVINE ARMAGEDDON!!!!

The Wizard David

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Jul 13, 2001, 7:27:53 PM7/13/01
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I agree that Lloyd is a fool and a stupid tweep who is blind on the rules.
He just ignores the rest of the rules in the rule. Damn, that is dumb and
stupid. Must be his bait for arguements.

David


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Dale Bright

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Jul 13, 2001, 7:46:08 PM7/13/01
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WE'RE TEXATH!!!!!!!!!

MOO!!!!!!!!!

Dale Bright

"non compos mentis"

rh...@megabits.net

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On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:40:37 -0400, Vijay Ramanujan
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Sounds like Bull Sh*t..

Just MY Opinion..

Bob


Vijay Ramanujan

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Jul 14, 2001, 6:14:09 PM7/14/01
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In article <3b50408a...@news.megabits.net>, rh...@megabits.net
wrote:

YOUR OPINION WILL MEAN NOTHING IN THE FACE OF 100,000 STOMPING BUFFALO!

START RUNNING NOW!

rh...@megabits.net

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On Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:14:09 -0400, Vijay Ramanujan
<vij...@citlink.net> wrote:

>In article <3b50408a...@news.megabits.net>, rh...@megabits.net
>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:40:37 -0400, Vijay Ramanujan
>> <vij...@citlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <esL37.53$O04.15...@typhoon.cei.net>,
>> > "The Wizard David" <dst...@cei.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Lloyd, you are the coward.
>> >
>> >IF YOU DON'T TAKE YOUR PETTY DISPUTES OUT OF RSFC BY SEPTEMBER FIRST, WE
>> >WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU.
>> >
>> >FEAR THE BOVINE ARMAGEDDON!!!!
>>
>> Sounds like Bull Sh*t..
>>
>> Just MY Opinion..
>
>YOUR OPINION WILL MEAN NOTHING IN THE FACE OF 100,000 STOMPING BUFFALO!
>
>START RUNNING NOW!

I am more concerned that somebody is "cleaning up"
Behind the 100,000 "Manure Spreaders" <G>

Bob

ra...@aol.com

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:04:59 GMT, "-v-"
<vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid> wrote:

>
>"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
>news:9if35p$a1v$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
>> Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
>> : Just one county
>>
>> No, actually, there were many voided votes in other counties too.
>
>There are morons too stupid to execute a ballot everywhere, only in Florida
>they mattered.

Gore was after those 25 electoral college votes, thats all! Why else
would the liberal media call Florida for Gore 15 minutes before all
the polls in the Central time zone were closed, especially in such a
tight race.

ra...@aol.com

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:57:20 GMT, "Maximum Power"
<maxpowe...@saermsa.web.na.ca.net.com.org.nz> wrote:

>You forgot that Floridians don't know how to vote. ;)
>

Floridians know how to vote just right. Al Gore and his 500 attornies
are the only ones who think people don't know how to vote. There had
to be a mistake, cause he lost, right?

I hope he runs again on '04 so he can lose again :-)

He couldn't even win his home state!

ra...@aol.com

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Jul 15, 2001, 4:03:35 PM7/15/01
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On 9 Jul 2001 13:37:02 GMT, bo...@soonermagic.com (Bobby Stoops) wrote:

>The blue-haired yankees down in West Palm Beach can't read a butterfly ballot
>if their Social Security checks depended on it.

You are the one who is stupid if you believe this. Gore and his
attornies are the ones who claimed this still unproven fact.

Gore lost, get over it!

ra...@aol.com

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 16:43:01 GMT, nos...@home.com (tmgs) wrote:

>On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:08:23 -0400, Marsha <mhuc...@bellsouth.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Just one county
>
>Yea anf full of bluehairs from the north


You people are idiots, it was only a plot to get Algore in the
whitehouse even though he lost!

Lloyd R. Parker

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ra...@aol.com (ra...@aol.com) wrote:

Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.

Marsha

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Jul 16, 2001, 1:01:15 PM7/16/01
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Well if they can't read a ballot correctly that their fault.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 16, 2001, 2:28:34 PM7/16/01
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Karl Denninger (ka...@FS.Denninger.net) wrote:
:
: In article <9iv0u3$7p3$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>,
: Lloyd R. Parker <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote:

: >ra...@aol.com (ra...@aol.com) wrote:
: >: On 9 Jul 2001 13:37:02 GMT, bo...@soonermagic.com (Bobby Stoops) wrote:
: >:
: >: >The blue-haired yankees down in West Palm Beach can't read a butterfly ballot
: >: >if their Social Security checks depended on it.
: >:
: >: You are the one who is stupid if you believe this. Gore and his
: >: attornies are the ones who claimed this still unproven fact.
: >:
: >: Gore lost, get over it!
:
: Gore lost because his party operatives were stupid.
:
: >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for

: >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
:
: Its a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county were given PALM
: CARDS with specific instructions to punch BUCHANAN'S NUMBER (rather than a
: CANDIDATE'S NAME) by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY in PB County.

No it isn't. You know, Boortz and Limbaugh are not good objective sources
of news.

:
: MOST of those "voters" were mentally questionable retirees who were

You may be elderly too some day. (Nope, you'll probably piss off the
wrong person long before then.)

: incapable of making their own decision (thus the Palm cards) and who were
: bussed to the polls with the specific and documented intent of tilting the
: election, charged with specific threats that the PB Democratic party claimed
: were made about "cutting off their social security checks."

How does taking legal voters to the polls constitute tilting the election?

OTOH, insisting illegal overseas ballots be counted is sure "intent of
tilting the election."

:
: Now, if a political party, through negligence or even an intentional act,
: throws THEIR OWN MEMBER'S votes away, exactly how is this anyone's fault
: other than their own - and those of their members who are mentally challenged
: to the point that they are incapable of discerning the mistake before they
: turn in their ballot?


If we limited voting to intelligent voters, you and all your right-wing
loonies would have to sit at home.

:
: Gore has nobody to blame for this but himself.
:
: --
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Jul 16, 2001, 2:29:53 PM7/16/01
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Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: Well if they can't read a ballot correctly that their fault.

Why is it their fault? And why should it prevent them from exercising
their right to vote?

And why is it illegal overseas ballots were counted? If someone sends in
an illegal ballot, isn't it THEIR fault? Yet the Republicans pushed for
all those overseas ballots to be counted.

Marsha

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Jul 16, 2001, 5:06:24 PM7/16/01
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They voted..............They were given samples on how to vote in the mail,
now if they can't follow directions whose fault should it be..........2nd
graders were able to do it correctly in Georgia. Anyway ut's over and done
with and all states have their voting problems

Biffan

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Jul 16, 2001, 5:17:38 PM7/16/01
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>Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
>Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.

Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000 affadavits
from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for Buchanan.

Huh?

Can we do the math again?


Biffan
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-v-

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So did Joe Lieberman

Wayne Mann

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From the very credible Liberal, that is respected by _ALL_.


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WATCHING THE COUNT

The NY Times wasted its weekend with a three-page plus
piece on how a few hundred military ballots in Florida were
been miscounted. The flawed and biased piece brought to
mind a question the Review raised not long after the election:
"Do dimpled ballots show voter intent more than military
absentee ballots that some private in Yemen forgot to
postmark?"

The NY Times article, which read more like a brief from
Lanny Davis than real journalism, was premised on
presumed strict adherence to the law whereas much of the
previous Democratic argument had rested upon a vague and
interminably debatable notion of what voters meant to do,
whether they actually did it or not.

Even ABC's George Stephanopoulos was not impressed:
"The bottom line of this exhaustive account, which comes in
at more than 13,000 words, is that Bush won several
hundred votes which didn't comply with Florida law, but
there's less than a one percent chance that these ballots, on
their own, would have swung the election toward Gore."

AP reported: "The paper found no evidence of fraud by
either party, though it did interview voters who admitted
they had cast illegal ballots after Election Day. It found no
support for suspicions that the Bush campaign had
organized an effort to solicit late votes."

On the other hand, CBS Evening news declared that the
alleged miscount of military ballots "may have been the
deciding factor in winning the White House," something not
even the Times claimed.

There is something bizarre about major news corporations -
unqualified, uninvited and non-objective - interposing
themselves into the electoral system. The arrogance of the act
is remarkable, especially considering that it was these
corporations' own vote counting service that, on election
night, probably did as much damage to honest Florida
returns as anyone - by declaring Gore the winner before the
polls in the whole panhandle of the state had closed. Bush
probably lost thousands of votes as result.

There are also logical problems. Absent a full recount of the
whole state, any analysis of bits and pieces is bound to give
distorted emphasis to one factor or another. Further, the
long delay in the recount, as any old-time pol can tell you,
meant more opportunity to mess with the ballots.

But since the Times has raised the military vote issue again,
it is worth reviving a few Review items from period soon
after the election, matters that never piqued the interest of
the Times or other papers. They follow.

In sum, on the military ballot issue, as with almost every
other coming out of last fall's election, there are a plethora of
conflicting complaints, ambiguous data, and countervailing
arguments. As Gertrude Stein said, there ain't no answer,
there never was an answer and there ain't going to be an
answer. That's the answer.

The whining wing of the Democrat Party - and its enablers
like the New York Times - do themselves and democracy no
favor by pretending that only Republicans steal votes. This is
especially cynical and hypocritical given that both the
Democratic and Republican parties conspire to prevent
others than their members from getting onto the ballot or in
debates. The idea that we should only be allowed to choose
between a Bush and a Gore was the biggest vote fraud of all.

BILL KLING, MANASSAS VA DAILY JOURNAL,
December 2000: Virginia, too, has problems with military
absentee ballots, says Sam Wright, an Arlington County
attorney and captain in the Judge Advocate General's Corps
of the Naval Reserve. He also directs a military voting
project for the American Veterans and Defense Alliance,
headquartered in Alexandria . . . "Absentee voting by mail
has been a woeful failure, not just in Florida but elsewhere,"
Wright wrote last week . . . Wright asserts the system "is too
complicated," with half of the absentee ballots cast by
military personnel not counted because of errors, many of
nit-picking inconsequentiality or because instructions were
murky. Retired Army Maj. Gen. Kenneth E. Dohleman
agrees. In a Nov. 24 letter to Virginia's Gov. Jim Gilmore, he
wrote of volunteering several years ago to count absentee
military ballots in Fairfax County. "A significant number of
those ballots were rejected," Dohleman wrote, "because the
`current address' entered on the outer envelope was the
overseas location rather than the Fairfax County address
shown on the registered-voter list. "I objected, citing the
name and Social Security number which matched, but my
supervisor responded, `Rules are rules,' and the ballots were
set aside." Wright believes "a properly designed electronic
voting system is much more secure than the postal-based
system we are using now." Indeed, postal inspectors are
investigating instances of absentee ballots being intercepted
in the mail, forged and sent back to be counted. Some
overseas absentee ballots, posted to election officials
stateside, wound up at an address in Denmark. And there
were reports thousands of absentee ballots weren't received
by military personnel requesting them.

THE REVIEW, December 2000: Politicians of Al Gore's
variety are characterized in no small part by their excessive
faith in the cleansing effect of regulations. As the election
laws Florida illustrate, however, this is not always their
result. Both the case of the uncounted military ballots and
that of the fiddled forms in Seminole County rest on
interpretation of rules that shouldn't have been there in the
first place, for they make voters hostages of the competence
and honesty of those handling their ballots. In other cases,
voters have been turned away or discouraged because of
selective and petty enforcement of rules that ostensibly are
designed to prevent fraud but in fact open up new and more
subtle opportunities to engage in manipulation under cover
of bureaucratic discretion . . . As one increases the number of
rules in life, one increases the chances that somebody will
break them. A lot of police abuse in America is driven by the
cornucopia of opportunities to arrest someone, a gift not of
logic but of legislatures with too much time on their hands.
The Florida election laws are an example of the same
principle in another walk of life. Instead of the cop owning
the street, it is the bureaucrat or politician who does.

THE REVIEW: In 'Rascal King," Jack Beatty tells how in
1942, when James Michael Curley ran against Thomas
Hopkinson Eliot for Congress, Eliot was approached by an
alleged defector from the Curley camp claiming to have a list
of voters serving in the military overseas. All he had to do
was use some of his supporters to pretend they were the
soldiers at the polls. Eliot-- grandson of a Harvard president
-- recognized a set-up and immediately sent the woman away.
He knew the papers would have the story the next day if he
had fallen for it. Come election day, Eliot checked out each
precinct in his district. Everywhere he went he saw the same
six men get out of the same car and go to vote. They turned
out to be the missing servicemen who were now adding to
Curley's total. Curley won handily.

MICHAEL VAN SICKLER, PALM BEACH POST: Checks
with elections officials in 66 of 67 Florida counties found at
least 10,102 overseas ballots had not been counted from a
total of 21,047 mailed out. But unless return rates increase
dramatically, most of ballots that have not been received will
never be counted. The US Postal Service said it has received
447 ballots from military personnel since Nov. 8, casting
doubt that a majority of the ballots still missing from
military personnel will be returned by Friday's deadline. At
the current rate of 75 ballots arriving each day, military
personnel will account for 750 ballots by Friday. The
Pentagon estimates that 24,000 people from Florida --
members of the military and their family members --
received absentee ballots this year, although it is unclear how
many ballots that represents . . . The Panhandle county of
Okaloosa -- which has a total of 100,000 voters and three
prominent military bases -- has received only 56 overseas
absentee ballots, while about 1,500 have not been returned.
One of every two Okaloosa voters are in the military or are
related to members of the military, said Supervisor of
Elections Pat Hollarn. And about 70 percent of military
personnel are Republican, she said.

WORLD NET DAILY: WorldNet Daily reported yesterday
that a source on the USS Tarawa, a US Navy destroyer near
Yemen, said that "thousands" of absentee ballots were
languishing onboard. The Navy has now confirmed bundles
of overseas ballots left behind -- not on one, but three ships
in the Persian Gulf region. According to a New York Post
account, Comdr. Greg Smith, a Navy spokesman, said the
ballots of some 3,000 sailors and Marines on the USS
Tarawa, USS Deleuth and USS Anchorage would be flown
back to the United States "expeditiously." Before the
discovery of missing Navy ballots, Defense Department
spokesman Kenneth Bacon and Navy Lt. Dave Gai had both
criticized Worldnet Daily -- Bacon publicly at a press
briefing -- for its reporting on this issue. Bacon referred to
WND's initial story as "ludicrous" for reporting that some
servicemen and women suspect the Clinton administration
may have somehow purposely delayed sending absentee
ballots to military personnel overseas because most
historically vote Republican . . . A United Press International
account reported comments from a Marine Corps captain
from the Tarawa who helped evacuate the dead and injured
from the USS Cole after it was attacked by terrorists on Oct.
12. Capt. Van P. Brinson, who did not receive his absentee
ballot, wrote in a Nov. 8 e-mail: "I cannot speak for the
remainder of the crew of the Tarawa, but I do know that the
majority of the Marines and sailors that I have spoken with
are in the same boat. What is distressing about the
situation," he added, "is that a majority of the pilots aboard
are registered voters in Florida."

\\/ayne //\ann


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nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people.

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-v-

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"Karl Denninger" <ka...@FS.Denninger.net> wrote in message
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>
> The difference is, I recognize that voting is an activity which requires
> enough mental acuity to be able to read the names on the ballot and select
> the proper candidate's number or name. If I take my instructions as a
> mindless robot, it is my responsibility - and nobody else's - if I mangle
> the instructions and vote for the wrong person.

I predict ballots with a "Drool Here" box.

Andrew Smith

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Jul 17, 2001, 9:53:45 AM7/17/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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> Karl Denninger (ka...@FS.Denninger.net) wrote:
> :
> : In article <9iv0u3$7p3$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>,
> : Lloyd R. Parker <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote:
> : >ra...@aol.com (ra...@aol.com) wrote:
> : >: On 9 Jul 2001 13:37:02 GMT, bo...@soonermagic.com (Bobby Stoops)
wrote:
> : >:
> : >: >The blue-haired yankees down in West Palm Beach can't read a
butterfly ballot
> : >: >if their Social Security checks depended on it.
> : >:
> : >: You are the one who is stupid if you believe this. Gore and his
> : >: attornies are the ones who claimed this still unproven fact.
> : >:
> : >: Gore lost, get over it!
> :
> : Gore lost because his party operatives were stupid.
> :
> : >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
> : >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
> :
> : Its a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county were given PALM
> : CARDS with specific instructions to punch BUCHANAN'S NUMBER (rather than
a
> : CANDIDATE'S NAME) by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY in PB County.
>
> No it isn't. You know, Boortz and Limbaugh are not good objective sources
> of news.
>
> :
> : MOST of those "voters" were mentally questionable retirees who were
>
> You may be elderly too some day.

But I'll always be able to make an R.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

a.


Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:30:47 PM7/17/01
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Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: They voted..............They were given samples on how to vote in the mail,

: now if they can't follow directions whose fault should it be..........2nd

Then how about the people overseas, including the military, who sent in
680 illegal ballots? They got counted.

: graders were able to do it correctly in Georgia. Anyway ut's over and done

:
:

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:31:32 PM7/17/01
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Biffan (bif...@aol.comspamgo) wrote:
: >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for

: >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
:
: Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000 affadavits
: from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for Buchanan.

That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).

:
: Huh?


:
: Can we do the math again?

Can we tell the truth for once?

:
:
: Biffan

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:33:33 PM7/17/01
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-v- (vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid) wrote:
:
: "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
:
:
:
:

Actually, the Republicans pushed for overseas ballots to be counted if
they went to counties where Bush won; they pushed for them to not be
counted if they went to counties where Gore won. So much for the
crocodile tears "let our military boys vote" they shed publically.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:47:06 PM7/17/01
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Karl Denninger (ka...@FS.Denninger.net) wrote:
:
: In article <9ivbr1$m3p$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>,
: Lloyd R. Parker <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote:

: >Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: >: Well if they can't read a ballot correctly that their fault.
: >
: >Why is it their fault? And why should it prevent them from exercising
: >their right to vote?
:
: The right to vote includes the responsibility to do so correctly; the
: franchise is at least as important as the right to carry a concealed weapon.

Actually, voting law makes no such demands.

:
: How come one requires proof of competency and the other does not?
:
: >And why is it illegal overseas ballots were counted? If someone sends in


: >an illegal ballot, isn't it THEIR fault? Yet the Republicans pushed for
: >all those overseas ballots to be counted.

:
: You forgot about JOE LIEBERMAN who pushed for all those overseas ballots to
: be counted for the specific reason that many of them were from ISRAEL.

And you forget the GOP only pushed for those to count if they came in to
counties Bush carried.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:48:22 PM7/17/01
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Karl Denninger (ka...@FS.Denninger.net) wrote:
:
: In article <20010716171738...@ng-ci1.aol.com>,
: Biffan <bif...@aol.comspamgo> wrote:
: >>Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for

: >>Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
: >
: >Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000 affadavits
: >from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for Buchanan.
: >
: >Huh?
: >
: >Can we do the math again?
:
: Oh c'mon, lying is a Democrat sport and this guy's one of them.

And you claim I called you names?

:
: Just look at Clinton, er, Condit, er, Gore, er, Lieberman.

Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., North, Poindexter, Hyde, Livingston, Gingrich,
...

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:46:20 PM7/17/01
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Karl Denninger (ka...@FS.Denninger.net) wrote:
:
: In article <9ivboi$m1m$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>,

: Lloyd R. Parker <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote:
: >Karl Denninger (ka...@FS.Denninger.net) wrote:
: >: >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
: >: >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
: >:
: >: Its a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county were given PALM
: >: CARDS with specific instructions to punch BUCHANAN'S NUMBER (rather than a
: >: CANDIDATE'S NAME) by the DEMOCRATIC PARTY in PB County.
: >
: >No it isn't. You know, Boortz and Limbaugh are not good objective sources
: >of news.
:
: Gee, that's funny, the palm cards showed up on FOX TV, and were right there
: in the view of the camera. Now how did that happen if they didn't exist?
:
: >: MOST of those "voters" were mentally questionable retirees who were
: >
: >You may be elderly too some day. (Nope, you'll probably piss off the
: >wrong person long before then.)
:
: Yes, I may too be elderly some day. But the day that I am incapable of
: doing more than being a robot and following a card in my palm to vote I
: do not deserve to hold the franchise.
:
: The difference is, I recognize that voting is an activity which requires

: enough mental acuity to be able to read the names on the ballot and select
: the proper candidate's number or name. If I take my instructions as a

Even if that person's name is beside another person's spot. Even if the
second person on the list has the third spot to be punched.

: mindless robot, it is my responsibility - and nobody else's - if I mangle


: the instructions and vote for the wrong person.

So you agree the illegal overseas ballots shouldn't have been counted?

:
: >: incapable of making their own decision (thus the Palm cards) and who were


: >: bussed to the polls with the specific and documented intent of tilting the
: >: election, charged with specific threats that the PB Democratic party claimed
: >: were made about "cutting off their social security checks."
: >
: >How does taking legal voters to the polls constitute tilting the election?

:
: Handing them "palm cards" that say "punch #3" when you should have printed
: "punch #5", then bitching when people punch #3, constitutes "tilting" the
: election.
:
: Bringing persons to the polls who are not qualified to vote by virtue of
: their inability of being able to function at a level necessary to do so
: constitutes tilting the election.

I suggest you read up on election law.

:
: Attempting to cause them to cast a vote by claiming that the other candidate
: (other than the one the bus workers want them to vote for, that is) intends
: to KILL them by cutting off their only source of funds constitutes tilting
: the election.

What about calling the other candidate a "baby killer" or "socialist" or
"traitor"?

:
: All three of these were publicized by the MAINSTREAM media; unless, of
: course, you don't count FOX NEWS and The Wall Street Journal as "mainstream"

Fox News is a riot. Ranks right up there with Comedy Central's "The Daily
Show." People who think Fox News is objective also believe Reagan was a
liberal.

:
: >OTOH, insisting illegal overseas ballots be counted is sure "intent of
: >tilting the election."
:
: There was no probative effect of those efforts, and, by the way, the persons
: urging such counting of illegal ballots included JOE LIEBERMAN PERSONALLY,
: who was not only a candidate (and not some poll worker) - he was specifically
: interested in the ILLEGAL ballots cast from ISRAEL by Florida citizens
: residing there, some of which were cast AFTER election day.

And the GOP pushed for only those coming into counties which Bush won to
be counted, and now we find out 680 of them were illegal.

:

: >: Now, if a political party, through negligence or even an intentional act,
: >: throws THEIR OWN MEMBER'S votes away, exactly how is this anyone's fault
: >: other than their own - and those of their members who are mentally challenged
: >: to the point that they are incapable of discerning the mistake before they
: >: turn in their ballot?
: >
: >If we limited voting to intelligent voters, you and all your right-wing
: >loonies would have to sit at home.
:

: Yep; can't make a point so you have to call names.

Pot, kettle, glass houses, all that. Why is it you right-wingers call
liberals and Democrats all kinds of names, yet go whining when we return
the favor?

:
: Figures.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 17, 2001, 2:49:18 PM7/17/01
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-v- (vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid) wrote:
:
: "Karl Denninger" <ka...@FS.Denninger.net> wrote in message
:
:
:
:

Better than a "deposit PAC money here" box.

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Marsha

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:25:05 PM7/17/01
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Lloyd, you need to get over this, like it or not Bush is your President till his
time is up.

43Fan

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:21:25 PM7/17/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:9j217a$2ev$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...

> Karl Denninger (ka...@FS.Denninger.net) wrote:
> :
> : In article <9ivbr1$m3p$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu>,
> : Lloyd R. Parker <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote:
> : >Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : >: Well if they can't read a ballot correctly that their fault.
> : >
> : >Why is it their fault? And why should it prevent them from exercising
> : >their right to vote?
> :
> : The right to vote includes the responsibility to do so correctly; the
> : franchise is at least as important as the right to carry a concealed
weapon.
>
> Actually, voting law makes no such demands.

Um, I believe it does.. at least from the standpoint of whether the vote is
counted/valid or not. Maybe you don't have to be competent enough to vote
"correctly", but just because you voted, does not mean it'll be counted..
especially if it's an invalid ballot.


>
> :

Marsha

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:26:22 PM7/17/01
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Good point Hank

Legalbest wrote:

> Hey! People from Florida are not stupid!
>
> Hank


43Fan

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:22:33 PM7/17/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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> Biffan (bif...@aol.comspamgo) wrote:
> : >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
> : >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
> :
> : Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000
affadavits
> : from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for
Buchanan.
>
> That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).

But you expect us to believe that the Repubs only wanted the military votes
counted in counties for Bush, and not for Gore? Without proof? geez...
>
> :

Jim Weeks

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:28:17 PM7/17/01
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Legalbest <lega...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hey! People from Florida are not stupid!
>
> Hank

Prove it.

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Branden Wolner

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:37:53 PM7/17/01
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in article tg057.751$ym4....@iad-read.news.verio.net, 43Fan at
sl...@hereintown.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:22 PM:

>
> "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:9j20a4$13o$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
>> Biffan (bif...@aol.comspamgo) wrote:
>> : >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
>> : >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
>> :
>> : Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000
> affadavits
>> : from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for
> Buchanan.
>>
>> That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).
>
> But you expect us to believe that the Repubs only wanted the military votes
> counted in counties for Bush, and not for Gore? Without proof? geez...
>>

There is proof - don't you read the newspapers?
--
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Jul 17, 2001, 3:42:48 PM7/17/01
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in article 3B549110...@bellsouth.net, Marsha at mhuc...@bellsouth.net
wrote on 7/17/01 3:25 PM:

> Lloyd, you need to get over this, like it or not Bush is your President till
> his
> time is up.
>

Or until he's impeached - although you might have meant that by "till his
time is up." Looks like the Dems in congress are going to go after Katherine
Harris for illegally destroying computer records. Once they get her, it is
my suspicion that she'll squeal like a stuck pig. Just a question of how
many names she names.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/16/politics/16FLOR.html

"Beyond the concerns about Mr. Buyer, other Democrats said they might call
for an investigation into why aides to Katherine Harris, Florida's secretary
of state, said work done on computers during the Florida stalemate had been
erased, a potential violation of state public records laws."

Branden Wolner

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:46:11 PM7/17/01
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in article B77A0C51.13335%dewey_de...@netzero.net, Branden Wolner at
dewey_de...@netzero.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:37 PM:

> in article tg057.751$ym4....@iad-read.news.verio.net, 43Fan at
> sl...@hereintown.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:22 PM:
>
>>
>> "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
>> news:9j20a4$13o$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
>>> Biffan (bif...@aol.comspamgo) wrote:
>>> : >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
>>> : >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
>>> :
>>> : Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000
>> affadavits
>>> : from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for
>> Buchanan.
>>>
>>> That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).
>>
>> But you expect us to believe that the Repubs only wanted the military votes
>> counted in counties for Bush, and not for Gore? Without proof? geez...
>>>
> There is proof - don't you read the newspapers?

Sorry - here's the links:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15METH.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15BALL.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/national/15HOUS.html

Marsha

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:51:43 PM7/17/01
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I see your from Worcester, and of course must be a Ma. democrat.

Marsha

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Jul 17, 2001, 3:53:21 PM7/17/01
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Why not Red Socks, Bruins ?

ScottB

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Jul 17, 2001, 4:23:49 PM7/17/01
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lpa...@emory.edu writes:

>>Karl Denninger wrote:

>>Oh c'mon, lying is a Democrat sport and this guy's one of them.

>And you claim I called you names?

>>Just look at Clinton, er, Condit, er, Gore, er, Lieberman.


>Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., North, Poindexter, Hyde, Livingston, Gingrich,

Blah, blah, blah.The fact that 95% of all politicians are liars has nothing to
do with NASCAR. This horse is beyond dead.

3 * 8 * 3 * 8 * 3 * 8 * 3 * 8 * 3 * 8 * 3 * 8 * 3

Scott
Semper Fidelis - Vox Clamantis In Deserto

Branden Wolner

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Jul 17, 2001, 5:26:17 PM7/17/01
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in article 3B54974F...@bellsouth.net, Marsha at mhuc...@bellsouth.net
wrote on 7/17/01 3:51 PM:

> I see your from Worcester, and of course must be a Ma. democrat.
>

I see you make generalizations about people who you've never met and know
nothing about. Good job. Of course you must be a stupid piece a doodoo.

-v-

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"Branden Wolner" <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:B77A0D78.13336%dewey_de...@netzero.net...

> in article 3B549110...@bellsouth.net, Marsha at
mhuc...@bellsouth.net
> wrote on 7/17/01 3:25 PM:
>
> > Lloyd, you need to get over this, like it or not Bush is your President
till
> > his
> > time is up.
> >
> Or until he's impeached - although you might have meant that by "till his
> time is up." Looks like the Dems in congress are going to go after
Katherine
> Harris for illegally destroying computer records. Once they get her, it is
> my suspicion that she'll squeal like a stuck pig. Just a question of how
> many names she names.


Blah blah blah. We love her here. She upheld the law.
Maybe we will elect her to national office so you can benefit too.

Branden Wolner

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Jul 17, 2001, 5:29:12 PM7/17/01
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in article 3B5497B1...@bellsouth.net, Marsha at mhuc...@bellsouth.net
wrote on 7/17/01 3:53 PM:

> Why not Red Socks, Bruins ?
>

Gee I don't know - is it inconceivable to you that people don't all fall
into nice little categories? Are you really this prejudiced and, dare I say,
bigoted? Why do you feel compelled to make conclusions about my preferences
both political and sports-wise all while side-stepping the issues addressed
in this thread? Did you both to read the Times articles I cited? Are you so
incapable of rational discussion that your only recourse is to disparage me,
my politics and my sports teams? Do you watch Jerry Springer?

Branden Wolner

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Jul 17, 2001, 5:29:46 PM7/17/01
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in article 20010717162349...@ng-dd1.aol.com, ScottB at
nashcar...@aol.coma wrote on 7/17/01 4:23 PM:

> lpa...@emory.edu writes:
>
>>> Karl Denninger wrote:
>
>>> Oh c'mon, lying is a Democrat sport and this guy's one of them.
>
>> And you claim I called you names?
>
>>> Just look at Clinton, er, Condit, er, Gore, er, Lieberman.
>
>
>> Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., North, Poindexter, Hyde, Livingston, Gingrich,
>
> Blah, blah, blah.The fact that 95% of all politicians are liars has nothing to
> do with NASCAR. This horse is beyond dead.
>

I think that you can 100% without fear of contradiction.

Marsha

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Jul 17, 2001, 5:36:26 PM7/17/01
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You've got it in your post, U Mass Worcester, I never said any thing about you
except I see your from Worcester.............. my point I was born and raised in
Worcester before I got married then moved to Shrewsbury............ you sure do
seem to have some kind of problem

Branden Wolner

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Jul 17, 2001, 5:31:31 PM7/17/01
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in article 06257.10236$uo3.1...@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com, -v- at
vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid wrote on 7/17/01 5:28 PM:

Whether she "upheld the law" or broke it is yet to be determined. I strongly
suspect the latter.

Branden Wolner

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Jul 17, 2001, 5:48:18 PM7/17/01
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in article 3B54AFDA...@bellsouth.net, Marsha at mhuc...@bellsouth.net
wrote on 7/17/01 5:36 PM:

> You've got it in your post, U Mass Worcester, I never said any thing about you
> except I see your from Worcester.............. my point I was born and raised
> in
> Worcester before I got married then moved to Shrewsbury............ you sure
> do
> seem to have some kind of problem
>
> Branden Wolner wrote:
>
>> in article 3B54974F...@bellsouth.net, Marsha at mhuc...@bellsouth.net
>> wrote on 7/17/01 3:51 PM:
>>
>>> I see your from Worcester, and of course must be a Ma. democrat.

>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well I may have a problem - if I do it's with ignorant fools like you. I
happen to live in Shrewsbury myself - I only work in Worcester. Does this
make you a "Ma. democrat"? Or would I be generalizing, categorizing and
prejudging you by saying that?

Marsha

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Jul 17, 2001, 6:25:23 PM7/17/01
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My, my, you sure do have a chip on your shoulder. Just asked a question, you may
like whoever you want, doesn't matter to me one way or another. You don't seem
to know me either so, don't say I'm prejudice or bigoted, I'm neither. As far as
a rational discussion, I guess that could only be if I agree to what you say, if
I do not then you throw childish names to me. Now go find someone else to play
this word game with, I won't be in this discussion with you again.

Dale Bright

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Jul 17, 2001, 6:20:16 PM7/17/01
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:28:17 -0500, "Jim Weeks" <we...@io.com> wrote:

>
>Legalbest <lega...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20010717151032...@ng-fj1.aol.com...
>> Hey! People from Florida are not stupid!
>>
>> Hank
>
>Prove it.

Well, for one thing, they hire their coaches from another state.

Dale Bright

"non compos mentis"

Marsha

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Jul 17, 2001, 6:54:00 PM7/17/01
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Shrewsbury is a very nice place to live, although we moved to Florida 3 years ago.
So because I said you must be a Ma. democrat is what got you upset, my gosh, sorry

Jefferson N. Glapski

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Jul 17, 2001, 7:25:30 PM7/17/01
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"Branden Wolner" <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:B77A0C51.13335%dewey_de...@netzero.net...

> in article tg057.751$ym4....@iad-read.news.verio.net, 43Fan at
> sl...@hereintown.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:22 PM:
>
> >
> > "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
> > news:9j20a4$13o$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
> >> Biffan (bif...@aol.comspamgo) wrote:
> >> : >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county
voted for
> >> : >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
> >> :
> >> : Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And
10,000
> > affadavits
> >> : from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for
> > Buchanan.
> >>
> >> That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).
> >
> > But you expect us to believe that the Repubs only wanted the
military votes
> > counted in counties for Bush, and not for Gore? Without proof?
geez...
> >>
> There is proof - don't you read the newspapers?

That's how I proved Fermat's Theorem.

--
Your pla,
Jefferson N. Glapski

med...@pitt.edu wrote: "I can't believe that pieces of shit like you
are able to exist in a nation as wonderful as the United States of
America, I can accept murderers, crackheads, and even your wifebeating
father, but You?"

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Jefferson N. Glapski

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Jul 17, 2001, 7:26:01 PM7/17/01
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"Branden Wolner" <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:B77A0E43.13339%dewey_de...@netzero.net...

There's you'r problem. It ain't the Post.

Biffan

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Jul 17, 2001, 8:15:51 PM7/17/01
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>: Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000
>affadavits
>: from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for Buchanan.
>
>That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).

Uh. Lloyd, YES, it is. I live here. I know. I've seen the information.

Get your facts straight before you flap your jaws again.

Mark Cook

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Jul 17, 2001, 10:37:11 PM7/17/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" wrote:

> So you agree the illegal overseas ballots shouldn't have been counted?

What "illegal overseas ballots" are you talking about? I hope you are not talking
about the ballots that were not postmarked.

Mark

Mark Cook

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Jul 17, 2001, 10:52:41 PM7/17/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" wrote:

> ra...@aol.com (ra...@aol.com) wrote:
> : On 9 Jul 2001 13:37:02 GMT, bo...@soonermagic.com (Bobby Stoops) wrote:
> :
> : >The blue-haired yankees down in West Palm Beach can't read a butterfly ballot
> : >if their Social Security checks depended on it.
> :
> : You are the one who is stupid if you believe this. Gore and his
> : attornies are the ones who claimed this still unproven fact.
> :
> : Gore lost, get over it!


>
> Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
> Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.

No, not a proven fact. Since we have a secret ballot system, you can not prove in a
court of law who you voted for. You can say you voted for whoever, but you can't
prove it.

Mark

Mark Cook

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Jul 17, 2001, 10:56:17 PM7/17/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" wrote:

> Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : Well if they can't read a ballot correctly that their fault.
>
> Why is it their fault? And why should it prevent them from exercising
> their right to vote?
>

> And why is it illegal overseas ballots were counted? If someone sends in
> an illegal ballot, isn't it THEIR fault? Yet the Republicans pushed for
> all those overseas ballots to be counted.

Again, what illegal overseas ballots?

Mark

Mark Cook

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Jul 17, 2001, 11:03:29 PM7/17/01
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Branden Wolner wrote:

> in article B77A0C51.13335%dewey_de...@netzero.net, Branden Wolner at
> dewey_de...@netzero.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:37 PM:
>
> > in article tg057.751$ym4....@iad-read.news.verio.net, 43Fan at
> > sl...@hereintown.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:22 PM:
> >
> >>
> >> "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
> >> news:9j20a4$13o$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
> >>> Biffan (bif...@aol.comspamgo) wrote:
> >>> : >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
> >>> : >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
> >>> :
> >>> : Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000
> >> affadavits
> >>> : from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for
> >> Buchanan.
> >>>
> >>> That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).
> >>
> >> But you expect us to believe that the Repubs only wanted the military votes
> >> counted in counties for Bush, and not for Gore? Without proof? geez...
> >>>
> > There is proof - don't you read the newspapers?
>
> Sorry - here's the links:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15METH.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15BALL.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/national/15HOUS.html
>

Sorry Bandon, but the NY Times is not a creditable source for Florida election
information.

Mark

James Wheeler

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Jul 17, 2001, 11:08:40 PM7/17/01
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Branden Wolner wrote:
>
> in article 20010717162349...@ng-dd1.aol.com, ScottB at
> nashcar...@aol.coma wrote on 7/17/01 4:23 PM:
>
> > lpa...@emory.edu writes:
> >
> >>> Karl Denninger wrote:
> >
> >>> Oh c'mon, lying is a Democrat sport and this guy's one of them.
> >
> >> And you claim I called you names?
> >
> >>> Just look at Clinton, er, Condit, er, Gore, er, Lieberman.
> >
> >
> >> Nixon, Reagan, Bush Sr., North, Poindexter, Hyde, Livingston, Gingrich,
> >
> > Blah, blah, blah.The fact that 95% of all politicians are liars has nothing to
> > do with NASCAR. This horse is beyond dead.
> >
> I think that you can 100% without fear of contradiction.

Pursuant to my duties as r.a.s.n. coroner, I would officially pronounce this
horse dead from repeated beatings, but there is nothing left of the poor
animal. Just a pile of dust.

> --
> Branden Wolner
> dewey...@netzero.net
> UMass Medical Center
> Worcester, Mass.
> --
> Go Yankees!! 26 and Counting!!!
> On the Back-to-Back World Championship Lakers Basketball Network
> Go Giants!!! Thanks for the Ride!!!!
> Go Rangers! There's always next year!

Go Tigers!!!
and take the Lions with you!

--
James Wheeler

Wheeler's World - http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/wheeler
100% original images, nothing stolen ;-)

-v-

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Jul 18, 2001, 12:32:50 AM7/18/01
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"Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:9j20dt$1br$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...
> -v- (vxmNOvxSPA-2M*@altara.cominvalid) wrote:
> :
> : "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
> : news:9ivbr1$m3p$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...

> : > Marsha (mhuc...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
> : > : Well if they can't read a ballot correctly that their fault.
> : >
> : > Why is it their fault? And why should it prevent them from exercising
> : > their right to vote?
> : >
> : > And why is it illegal overseas ballots were counted? If someone sends
in
> : > an illegal ballot, isn't it THEIR fault? Yet the Republicans pushed
for
> : > all those overseas ballots to be counted.
> : >
> : So did Joe Lieberman
> : --

> : -v-
> : Go #8 #20 #29
> :
> :
> :
> :
>
> Actually, the Republicans pushed for overseas ballots to be counted if
> they went to counties where Bush won; they pushed for them to not be
> counted if they went to counties where Gore won. So much for the
> crocodile tears "let our military boys vote" they shed publically.
>
Wrong again dog breath:
***********************
http://chicagotribune.com/news/metro/chicago/ws/item/0,1308,46649-46819-4833
9,00.html
"But even though Gore may have gained ground from the disqualified ballots,
the campaign did not want to be viewed as unpatriotic by excluding military
personnel from voting. Vice presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman urged
county officials to reconsider, as did Democratic Florida Atty. Gen. Bob
Butterworth.

"No man or woman in the military service to this nation should have his or
her vote rejected solely due to the absence of a postmark," Butterworth
wrote county election officials."
***********************

Dale Bright

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Jul 18, 2001, 12:38:12 AM7/18/01
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:08:40 -0400, James Wheeler
<jwhe...@somewherein.michigan> wrote:


>Go Tigers!!!
>and take the Lions with you!

Whither the Red Wings?

-v-

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Jul 18, 2001, 9:20:45 AM7/18/01
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"Branden Wolner" <dewey_de...@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:B77A26F2.133AF%dewey_de...@netzero.net...

Proves you don't have a clue as to the facts then.

James Wheeler

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Jul 18, 2001, 9:33:24 AM7/18/01
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Dale Bright wrote:
>
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 23:08:40 -0400, James Wheeler
> <jwhe...@somewherein.michigan> wrote:
>
> >Go Tigers!!!
> >and take the Lions with you!
>
> Whither the Red Wings?

They went home after the first round of playoffs.

Lloyd R. Parker

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Jul 18, 2001, 10:06:58 AM7/18/01
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Branden Wolner (dewey_de...@netzero.net) wrote:
: in article B77A0C51.13335%dewey_de...@netzero.net, Branden Wolner at
: dewey_de...@netzero.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:37 PM:
:
: > in article tg057.751$ym4....@iad-read.news.verio.net, 43Fan at
: > sl...@hereintown.net wrote on 7/17/01 3:22 PM:
: >
: >>
: >> "Lloyd R. Parker" <lpa...@emory.edu> wrote in message
: >> news:9j20a4$13o$1...@paladin.cc.emory.edu...

: >>> Biffan (bif...@aol.comspamgo) wrote:
: >>> : >Huh? It's a proven fact that hundreds of voters in PB county voted for
: >>> : >Buchanan when they intended to vote for Gore.
: >>> :
: >>> : Problem is - there were about 4,000 votes for Buchanan. And 10,000
: >> affadavits
: >>> : from people who said they meant to vote for Gore and DID vote for
: >> Buchanan.
: >>>
: >>> That's simply not true (the 10,000 affadavits).
: >>
: >> But you expect us to believe that the Repubs only wanted the military votes
: >> counted in counties for Bush, and not for Gore? Without proof? geez...
: >>>
: > There is proof - don't you read the newspapers?
:
: Sorry - here's the links:
:
: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15METH.html
: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/politics/15BALL.html
: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/national/15HOUS.html

How about something a nonsubscriber can read?

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