Kyoto philosophical traditon
SuperOutland
you can reccomend, comparable to what china or germany has produced.
the reason i say "kyoto" instead of "japan" because kyoto is
considered the cultural elite while the rest of japan just apes french
and americans and i dont wanna read philosophy that is just a copy of
french or american philosophy.
I would also like it to pre-date the meiji era for the same reasons.
Does anyone here read japanese philosophy?
Xiao Li
> Hello i am wondering if kyoto has any books of good philosophy that
> you can reccomend, comparable to what china or germany has produced.
Why just China and Germany? No doubt, these civilizations have
produced great philosophers but there are many others, Greeks for
example.
Michael Cash
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No, but you did cause me to wonder where the hell Kaz is these days.
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Michael Cash
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>supero...@aol.com (SuperOutland) wrote in message news:<e91ad9af.04013...@posting.google.com>...
>produced great philosophers but there are many others, Geeks for
>example.
Huh?
wasabi
"Talking about the Truth is like describing sex to a virgin. You just
have to experience it." Blind Zen Master from Kyoto pre-Meiji era
Ryan Ginstrom
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> No, but you did cause me to wonder where the hell Kaz is these days.
Last I heard, he got the crap beaten out of him by some homeless dude, and
is now eating through a straw in some Tokyo hospital.
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Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Brett Robson
>
>Hello i am wondering if kyoto has any books of good philosophy that
>you can reccomend, comparable to what china or germany has produced.
>
Firstly read some real (ie non Japanese) texts on Buddhism. You'll learn about
moderation, being good, and respecting life. Then ignore the moderation and
respecting life and add respect for authority; that is Chinese Buddhism. Now
ignore all of that, sit cross legged and stare at the floor; that is Japanese
Buddhism.
,
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Brett Robson
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>>Firstly read some real (ie non Japanese) texts on Buddhism. You'll learn about
>> moderation, being good, and respecting life. Then ignore the moderation and
>> respecting life and add respect for authority; that is Chinese Buddhism. Now
>> ignore all of that, sit cross legged and stare at the floor; that is Japanese
>> Buddhism.
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>
>philosophy than that
Sorry to disappoint. At least you didn't spend a fortune travelling to Kyoto to
find out.
.
Michael Cash
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>On 30 Jan 2004 16:59:04 -0800, SuperOutland ...
Keeper.
Brett Robson
>
>What is the point of japanese buddhist training when alcohol would do just fine?
You are asking very good questions Grasshopper.
Because Japanese like to take the fun out of everything and do things the hard
way.
.
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Triangle Man hits Person Man
They have a fight
and Triangle Man wins
wasabi
> What is the point of japanese buddhist training when alcohol would do just fine?
Just to give you an idea of Japanese philosophy, I'll post the
following notes:
Under the auspices of unmei the course of events in life was regarded
as being largely coincidental, while the view associated with
shukumei, which incorporated Buddhist influences, was more
deterministic, conceiving the individual span of life in terms of
previous and subsequent incarnations.
bun-that which should be so.
mibun-a person's station in life.
In the spirit of akiramae one could allow all events to take their
course passively and without anxiety, recognizing it as the way
ordained by providence.
fushigi shugi-prescribing restraint of emotion
ittaikan-the feeling of being one body.
negumi arai-the love of innocence and artlessness may explain why
Japanese are not very fond of cynicism and sarcasm. Even the mildest
form of irony makes Japanese students cringe, and can earn you a
reputation of being iyami (disagreeable and offensive).
Brett Robson
Interesting that Japanese dropped the most important parts of Buddhism, being
nice to people and respecting all life (even Koreans).
wasabi
What are you talking about? Ninjou?
cc
"Brett Robson" <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message
> Interesting that Japanese dropped the most important parts of Buddhism,
being
> nice to people and respecting all life (even Koreans).
Buddhism says to respect even Koreans ? That's tough, nobody ever did that
in history...
CC
Brett Robson
one of those do as I say, not as I do.
Brett Robson
Yes, but there is more to it than than. Buddhism respects all life. This is the
most important part of Buddhism but never made it across the Japan Sea.
wasabi
Shinto that teaches close harmony between people, nature and the gods.
The gods were in everything: rocks, trees, rivers, plants and
animals. Shinto encouraged simplicity and cleanliness as signs of
inner goodness. It emphasised spiritual and physical purity.
Followers were to be pure in heart and mind and grateful for the many
blessings of the kami.
I've read somewhere that because of Buddhist principles, most monks
and much of the populace were vegetarian (but maybe economics also had
something to do with that).
So I think that you're putting me on or badly misinformed.
Brett Robson
and completely dropped the respect life bit.
> The gods were in everything: rocks, trees, rivers, plants and
>animals. Shinto encouraged simplicity and cleanliness as signs of
>inner goodness.
As opposed to actuall being nice.
>It emphasised spiritual and physical purity.
As opposed to purity of mind.
>Followers were to be pure in heart and mind and grateful for the many
>blessings of the kami.
But didn't have to pass that on to their fellow creatures.
Perhaps one of the world's most selfish religions.
>
>So I think that you're putting me on or badly misinformed.
I have studied Buddhism in Nepal and Thailand and most recently in Takaoka
(Japan). What passes for Buddhism here bears little resemblance to Buddhism.
Brett Robson
>
>I have studied Buddhism in Nepal and Thailand and most recently in Takaoka
>(Japan). What passes for Buddhism here bears little resemblance to Buddhism.
>
Although by "study" I don't mean I was a monk or a Dr Buddhist.
mukade
> Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message news:<c037u...@drn.newsguy.com>...
> > On 7 Feb 2004 04:19:15 -0800, wasabi ...
>
>
> and much of the populace were vegetarian
There has always been a get-out clause where Buddha was said to have
allowed monks to eat meat that was not killed for them personally.
What could be better after a long, strenuous bout of chanting than a
big BSE-don at the local Yoshinoya?
Mukade
mukade
> Brett Robson <jet...@deja.com> wrote in message news:<c037u...@drn.newsguy.com>...
> > On 7 Feb 2004 04:19:15 -0800, wasabi ...
>
>
> and much of the populace were vegetarian
There has always been a get-out clause where Buddha was said to have
wasabi
I dunno about beef bowls but the other week I watched some people
practice kyudo (zen influenced archery). I was struck by how similar
the ritualized movements were similar to golf. So I did a Google
search on the subject and sure enough this is what I found:
"The golfer with the highest handicap shows the most functional MR
brain activity, a possible indication of the internal "chatter" in his
mind. The more accomplished golfers need less internal coaching,
resulting in decreased brain activity. Without realizing it, perhaps
the professional golfer practices Zen golf: effortless focus applied
without doubt or anxiety, wrote AJNR editor-in-chief Dr. Robert M.
Quencer in an accompanying editorial."
So, although I hate the game (it's too expensive, too time-consuming,
and too boring--and I often lose all my golf balls before I finish a
course) I think I'm going to take it up as a form of meditation to
discipline my mind.
Eric Takabayashi
> On 8 Feb 2004 04:21:48 -0800, Brett Robson ...
> >
> >I have studied Buddhism in Nepal and Thailand and most recently in Takaoka
> >(Japan). What passes for Buddhism here bears little resemblance to Buddhism.
>
> Although by "study" I don't mean I was a monk or a Dr Buddhist.
I met a woman with a shaved head who called herself a monk, who had come back
from South Korea where she studied "real Buddhism".
As for her own Japanese sect, she said one could become a priest after a one
week training session in Kyoto.
Brett Robson
>
>Brett Robson wrote:
>
>> On 8 Feb 2004 04:21:48 -0800, Brett Robson ...
>> >
>> >I have studied Buddhism in Nepal and Thailand and most recently in Takaoka
>> >(Japan). What passes for Buddhism here bears little resemblance to Buddhism.
>>
>> Although by "study" I don't mean I was a monk or a Dr Buddhist.
>
>I met a woman with a shaved head who called herself a monk, who had come back
>from South Korea where she studied "real Buddhism".
Well it is closer to India so it is /more/ real.
>
>As for her own Japanese sect, she said one could become a priest after a one
>week training session in Kyoto.
>
Staring at the floor crosslegged does take a while to get right.
I've talked to a few people and several of us have achieved flashes of
enlightenment. One friend was washing dishes (at a monastery in Thailand) when
he became transfixed on his duty. I achieved something similar in Nepal but I
think it was altitude sickness.
wasabi
I met a very mystical woman who told me that in zen meditation you
must sit very quietly while your knees are killing you and your brain
is screaming hundreds of random thoughts. You must bear this and
eventually you won't feel your knees and your brain will stop
screaming. The most difficult part is learning to let go of your
sense of self. Once you can do that everything becomes clear. The
woman said that our sense of self blocks us from seeing what is really
there. She had such a strong presence that I find it hard to doubt
her. She was really funny, too. And great at snowboarding. She also
told me to not give in anger because that will lead to the dark side.
Since tomorrow's a holiday she's probably at the Bamboo Bar tonight.
Well, I think I'll go some more mystical consultation.
Live long and prosper, w