Romantic restaurants in Tokyo etc.
Declan Murphy
not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
--
"This is the dumbest, most ridiculous idea ever to come out of the
International Rugby Board in its 2000 year history" - Phil Kearns on
drop goal shootouts
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
>not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
>It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
>one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
>enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
You need to be more specific. Does it have to be a place where a
waitperson comes to your table and takes your order? Or can it be one
of those places where you not only place your order by buying a
ticket, the place is so tiny they have to keep the machine outside on
the sidewalk?
--
Michael Cash
"I used to have a dog named Michael Cash."
Prof. Ernest T. Bass
Mount Pilot College
http://www.sunfield.ne.jp/~mike/
Declan Murphy
> On Fri, 16 May 2003 19:42:19 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>
>>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
>>not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>>
>>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>>
>>It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
>>one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
>>enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
>
> You need to be more specific. Does it have to be a place where a
> waitperson comes to your table and takes your order?
Abso-friggin-lutely. And they have to be wearing shoes. And have no
headlice. Any other specifics needed?
Or can it be one
> of those places where you not only place your order by buying a
> ticket, the place is so tiny they have to keep the machine outside on
> the sidewalk?
I s'pose proposing at a service area en-route wouldn't be out of the
question.
Kevin Gowen
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this
> may not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
Romantic? In Japan? BWAHAHA!
> It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down
> on one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
> enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
Nix the restaurant idea. Instead, go to a baseball game and have the jumbo
video screen display, "Bryan, will you marry me?". You can't lose with that
one.
--
Kevin Gowen
Declan Murphy
> Declan Murphy wrote:
>
>>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this
>>may not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>>
>>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> Romantic? In Japan? BWAHAHA!
Unfortunately there is no Taco Bell or "Outback" in this fair city.
>>It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down
>>on one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
>>enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
>
> Nix the restaurant idea. Instead, go to a baseball game and have the jumbo
> video screen display, "Bryan, will you marry me?". You can't lose with that
> one.
You have perhaps been watching too much Monty Python.
At the moment I'm leaning towards
if only for the champagne list. With a wine list like that, I figure my
evening won't be wasted if she does say, "BWAHAHA!"
Curt Fischer
Declan Murphy wrote:
>
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
> one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
> enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
You can't go wrong with the New York Bar or the New York Grill. I've
only been to the Bar (where strangely they also have a pretty extensive
food menu). It's on an outrageouly high floor in the Park Hyatt hotel
in Shinjuku. As you might imagine, there is a beautiful view. (If it's
dark...if it's light, just about any sort of view in Tokyo is going to
be pretty ugly, IME.)
When I was there there was a live pianist/singer duo that was singing
jazz standards and taking requests. They were quite good.
If you get there before 7:00 you can try the hour-long wine-tasting deal
they have. You get to pick a good number of wines to try by the glass,
for a cheap (comparatively) price.
If your idea of romance includes cigars and whisk(e)y, they will be
happy to help you out.
Tain't cheap, but I'm a poor student, so my idea of cheap may be
different from most of you out there.
--
Curt Fischer
Kevin Gowen
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>> Declan Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this
>>> may not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>>> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>>> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>>
>> Romantic? In Japan? BWAHAHA!
>
> Unfortunately there is no Taco Bell or "Outback" in this fair city.
I can give you a recipe for a Bloomin' Onion. The boomerang goes and comes
back, and you will too!
>>> It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down
>>> on one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is
>>> good enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
>>
>> Nix the restaurant idea. Instead, go to a baseball game and have the
>> jumbo video screen display, "Bryan, will you marry me?". You can't
>> lose with that one.
>
> You have perhaps been watching too much Monty Python.
If by "too much Monty Python" you mean "five minutes of "The Meaning of
Life"", then yes, I have seen too much. I saw a part where old men where
"sailing" a building as if it were a ship at sea. Wee! Then I changed the
channel. I changed back about an hour later to give the movie a second
chance and a fat guy at a restaurant was vomiting all over the place. Then
he ate a mint and exploded. What hilarious fun! I love irony!
> At the moment I'm leaning towards
>
> http://www.kubakan.com
>
> if only for the champagne list. With a wine list like that, I figure
> my evening won't be wasted if she does say, "BWAHAHA!"
If she's a native, she'll probably have problems with the "bw" sound.
--
Kevin Gowen
mtfe...@netscape.net
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
If it's still there, "Torihan" in Setagaya was very nice.
Mike
Declan Murphy
> You can't go wrong with the New York Bar or the New York Grill. I've
> only been to the Bar (where strangely they also have a pretty extensive
> food menu). It's on an outrageouly high floor in the Park Hyatt hotel
> in Shinjuku. As you might imagine, there is a beautiful view. (If it's
> dark...if it's light, just about any sort of view in Tokyo is going to
> be pretty ugly, IME.)
Not a bad idea. I've had a drink there and at the Keio Plaza a few
times. I haven't lived in Tokyo since 1995, but from what I've seen
since then the view hasn't changed (much). Thinking about it I reckon it
might be best to look for somewhere with a nicer interior though.
> When I was there there was a live pianist/singer duo that was singing
> jazz standards and taking requests. They were quite good.
Jazz sounds like a good idea. I was thinking of getting a table at Blue
Note, but I remember that the Park Hyatt has a nice pool.
> If your idea of romance includes cigars and whisk(e)y, they will be
> happy to help you out.
<cough> And wots with the (brackets) ? Next you'll be adding ice.
> Tain't cheap, but I'm a poor student, so my idea of cheap may be
> different from most of you out there.
Nought wrong with that. Quality not quantity blah blah blah.
Declan Murphy
Prolly. "BWAHAHA!" would only appear in the subtitles though.
John Yamamoto-Wilson
for somewhere that doesn't scream "Look at me! I'm elegant! Are you
impressed?" you
might go for somewhere like this:
"Tete-a-Tete (French). 3356-1048. A tiny neighborhood place with
well-prepared French food. There are only 4 or 5 tables, split between two
levels, so be sure to call ahead." (Description taken from
http://www.bento.com/ra-yotsu.asp; actually, I think there are about eight
tables. They have a web page in Japanese at http://r.gnavi.co.jp/g104100/)
If not, then how about
http://www.tokyo-scene.com/2003_02/html/food_and_drink2.shtml?
Or, for the more formally elegant touch, try the "moonlight dinner" at
http://www.okura.com/tokyo/restaurants/terrace.html.
The New Otani's good on formal elegance. It has a really beautiful garden,
too. You can eat in any one of its many restaurants (there's a Trader Vic's
there I rather like, but plenty others to choose from), then have coffee
overlooking the Japanese garden, with its waterfalls and ponds and bridges,
and then - weather permitting - take a romantic stroll through those very
gardens. Now, *that* would be a setting!
If she's likely to be charmed by a well-appointed but unostentatious little
corner in the bustle of Tokyo life, somewhere like Tete-a-Tete would be
good. But if she's the kind of girl who wants to be swept off her feet, go
to somewhere like the New Otani.
...And good luck!
Kaz
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
> one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
> enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
Declan, all you've got to do is be romantic yourself and stop being
ironic before you ask about it. Otherwise, all that fit to you is just
McDonald's or Yoshinoya restaurant.
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Kevin Gowen wrote:
>> Declan Murphy wrote:
>>
>>>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this
>>>may not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>>>
>>>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>>>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>>>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>>
>> Romantic? In Japan? BWAHAHA!
>
>Unfortunately there is no Taco Bell or "Outback" in this fair city.
If by "this fair city" you mean Tokyo, you are mistaken regarding the
"Outback".
Kevin Gowen
Yoshinoya is a great date place.
--
Kevin Gowen
another fool
Imperial Viking - not bad for a buffet but a bit pricey for a buffet,
if I remember right it's about 5000-6000 yen for dinner - decent views
from most tables though.
Kamon - great views and very good food but insanely expensive (if I
remember right the time I ate there there were 3 items on the menu
from 29000-35000 yen). If you really want to impress her then take
her there... Just a warning though I got food poisoning from the
abalone (since I was the only person who had it and I was the only one
who got sick)...
Ken
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
Ach, muss es unbedingt in Tokyo sein?
Dai-ichi in Kyoto is a traditional japanese restaurant dedicated to
suppon (soft-shelled turtle) cuisine, and they only serve suppon
stew as the main dish.
The sake mixed with the suppon brew is quite *unbelievable*.
The place is fairly expensive at JPY 25000/person and reservations
are quite hard to get in, and the service can be slovenly for rude
gaijin ichigensans but the turtle stew is, well, unforgettable.
Curt Fischer
I don't want to bitch to much or anything, but let's consider the
purpose of Declan's planned Tokyo outing.
Would a buffet or a place that gave you food poisoining really be best
for such an outing? I suppose at least the latter would guarantee a
lifetime of memories.
--
Curt Fischer
Curt Fischer
I don't want to bitch too much or anything, but let's consider the
Declan Murphy
> If by "this fair city" you mean Tokyo, you are mistaken regarding the
> "Outback".
In this case, this fair city being Okazaki. May it long stay that way.
Declan Murphy
> "Tete-a-Tete (French).
Looks nice, think I'll bookmark that one.
> Or, for the more formally elegant touch, try the "moonlight dinner" at
> http://www.okura.com/tokyo/restaurants/terrace.html.
Might end up there for lunch on the Sunday (next week), I haven't
decided on where to stay yet. A lazy Sunday morning sleep in and lunch
at the Okura has its attractions.
> ...And good luck!
Many thanks.
Curt Fischer
Declan Murphy wrote:
>
> Curt Fischer wrote:
>
> > You can't go wrong with the New York Bar or the New York Grill. I've
> > only been to the Bar (where strangely they also have a pretty extensive
> > food menu). It's on an outrageouly high floor in the Park Hyatt hotel
> > in Shinjuku. As you might imagine, there is a beautiful view. (If it's
> > dark...if it's light, just about any sort of view in Tokyo is going to
> > be pretty ugly, IME.)
>
> Not a bad idea. I've had a drink there and at the Keio Plaza a few
> times. I haven't lived in Tokyo since 1995, but from what I've seen
> since then the view hasn't changed (much). Thinking about it I reckon it
> might be best to look for somewhere with a nicer interior though.
You mean you want velvet carpet and string quartets or something?
Anyway, you probably already know about it but you should use
http://club.nokia.co.jp/tokyoq/index-tqool.html to check out
possibilities. You can search by "feature". One of those is
"romantic".
--
Curt Fischer
Declan Murphy
> Ach, muss es unbedingt in Tokyo sein?
Unfortunately yes. I thought I had a schedule from hell, but then I saw
hers. Tokyo its going to have to be.
Richard Thieme
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
> one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
> enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
>
Is your date the truly traditional type? If not forget this suggestion.
五右衛門 in Hakusan Tel 3811-2015
It is a high priced Tofu restaurant. In a real traditional setting. Kinda
strange, you step out of the garish lights of the local 商店街 (I think
there is a nearby Pachinko Parlor) into a little 路地 and it looks like you
have stepped back 100 years (lanterns, well with the bamboo pipe that sort
of thing).
They have a couple of outdoor Gazebo's under which you can eat, as well as
inside dining.
Regards,
Richard Thieme
Kaz
For Declan, yes. It seems he recently has been sexually awakened.
Yep, it's springtime. Wintertime already had gone a long time ago.
His human nature had been reawakened.
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>> If by "this fair city" you mean Tokyo, you are mistaken regarding the
>> "Outback".
>
>In this case, this fair city being Okazaki. May it long stay that way.
I've never been to an Outback. What's wrong with them?
Michael Cash
<j-ya...@sophia.ac.jp> gasped and wheezed:
>Declan, I think it depends what you feel comfortable with. If you're looking
>for somewhere that doesn't scream "Look at me! I'm elegant! Are you
>impressed?" (clip)
John....let's keep in mind that the victim already *knows* Declan. She
probably already has him pegged for the crass and uncultured boor that
we all know and love. If he hasn't managed to fool us online, I sorta
doubt that he has managed to fool her in person.
>
>"Tits-a-Gogo (French). 3356-1048.
Sounds nice, but not the sort of place one would want to take a date.
>If she's likely to be charmed by a well-appointed but unostentatious little
>corner (clip)
John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
Declan Murphy
> On Sat, 17 May 2003 09:06:22 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>If by "this fair city" you mean Tokyo, you are mistaken regarding the
>>>"Outback".
>>
>>In this case, this fair city being Okazaki. May it long stay that way.
>
> I've never been to an Outback. What's wrong with them?
I've been taken to two. One somewhere in Maryland, the other in North
Carolina (taken to the latter by a Japanese professor no less). Apart
from some truly awful food (in North Carolina) & beverage (in Maryland),
interior decoration from hell (both), muzak to spew to, and in the case
of the Maryland franchise surprisingly shitty service, I guess they both
weren't so bad. I guess if I had to describe it I'd put them as
"slightly better than the sepponian version of Denny's". Of course a
Japanese version might be completely different, and even feature hygiene.
Declan Murphy
> On Sat, 17 May 2003 00:04:40 +0900, "John Yamamoto-Wilson"
> <j-ya...@sophia.ac.jp> gasped and wheezed:
>
>>Declan, I think it depends what you feel comfortable with. If you're looking
>>for somewhere that doesn't scream "Look at me! I'm elegant! Are you
>>impressed?" (clip)
>
> John....let's keep in mind that the victim already *knows* Declan.
Aye. For nearly 4 years at that. Prior to the greying of the beard no less.
She
> probably already has him pegged for the crass and uncultured boor that
> we all know and love. If he hasn't managed to fool us online, I sorta
> doubt that he has managed to fool her in person.
I was thinking of finishing up the proposal with something along the
lines of "Oh and lets forget about wedding rings for the time being
darling, what we really need are matching hip flasks and a proper
climate control system in the brewing room".
>>If she's likely to be charmed by a well-appointed but unostentatious little
>>corner (clip)
>
> John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
> be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
> to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
Declan Murphy
> Is your date the truly traditional type? If not forget this suggestion.
Cultured yes, but not exactly traditional.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/sugamomap/contents/goemon.html
makes it sound interesting though. Maybe next time.
> 五右衛門 in Hakusan Tel 3811-2015
>
> It is a high priced Tofu restaurant. In a real traditional setting. Kinda
> strange, you step out of the garish lights of the local 商店街 (I think
> there is a nearby Pachinko Parlor) into a little 路地 and it looks like you
> have stepped back 100 years (lanterns, well with the bamboo pipe that sort
> of thing).
>
> They have a couple of outdoor Gazebo's under which you can eat, as well as
> inside dining.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Thieme
--
Louise Bremner
> > Yoshinoya is a great date place.
>
> For Declan, yes. It seems he recently has been sexually awakened.
> Yep, it's springtime. Wintertime already had gone a long time ago.
> His human nature had been reawakened.
Kaz! You are mellowing! Do be careful.
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
>> be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
>> to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
>
>Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
>practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
I think it is Midwestern in origin. The Southern version is offering
to let her have the biggest helping of possum and sweet taters.
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
>> be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
>> to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
>
>Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
>practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
A while back I mentioned Mississippi's beloved Jerry Clower (in the
thread with the talk of Spike Milligan) and thought I'd send along a
couple of samples.
Michael Cash
<mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> gasped and wheezed:
>On Sat, 17 May 2003 19:21:38 +0900, Declan Murphy
><declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>>> John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
>>> be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
>>> to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
>>
>>Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
>>practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
>
>
>A while back I mentioned Mississippi's beloved Jerry Clower (in the
>thread with the talk of Spike Milligan) and thought I'd send along a
>couple of samples.
This was meant to go as an e-mail, together with a couple of mp3s, but
I guess the "ne...@yamasa.org" thingy made it go out as a post. I
dunno.
Kaz
> Kaz <k...@ivebeenframed.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yoshinoya is a great date place.
> >
> > For Declan, yes. It seems he recently has been sexually awakened.
> > Yep, it's springtime. Wintertime already had gone a long time ago.
> > His human nature had been reawakened.
>
> Kaz! You are mellowing! Do be careful.
ooops, how did you penetrate it? I was hiding it though.
Marc
"Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3EC4C08B...@hotmail.com...
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
> one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
> enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
There is a wonderful little Italian restaurant in Hirou.
But I can't remember the name.
-Marc
Kevin Gowen
> Michael Cash wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 May 2003 09:06:22 +0900, Declan Murphy
>> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>>
>>> Michael Cash wrote:
>>>
>>>> If by "this fair city" you mean Tokyo, you are mistaken regarding
>>>> the "Outback".
>>>
>>> In this case, this fair city being Okazaki. May it long stay that
>>> way.
>>
>> I've never been to an Outback. What's wrong with them?
>
> I've been taken to two. One somewhere in Maryland, the other in North
> Carolina (taken to the latter by a Japanese professor no less). Apart
> from some truly awful food (in North Carolina) & beverage (in
> Maryland), interior decoration from hell (both), muzak to spew to,
> and in the case of the Maryland franchise surprisingly shitty
> service, I guess they both weren't so bad. I guess if I had to
> describe it I'd put them as "slightly better than the sepponian
> version of Denny's". Of course a Japanese version might be completely
> different, and even feature hygiene.
I am trying to decide if Declan's concern with hygiene is funnier in light
of his Australian passport or his Irish one. Perhaps the two combine in a
synergistic effect of hilarity?
--
Kevin Gowen
Declan Murphy
> On Sat, 17 May 2003 20:54:35 +0900, Michael Cash
> <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> gasped and wheezed:
>
>
>>On Sat, 17 May 2003 19:21:38 +0900, Declan Murphy
>><declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>>
>>
>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>>John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
>>>>be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
>>>>to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
>>>
>>>Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
>>>practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
>>
>>
>>A while back I mentioned Mississippi's beloved Jerry Clower (in the
>>thread with the talk of Spike Milligan) and thought I'd send along a
>>couple of samples.
>
>
> This was meant to go as an e-mail, together with a couple of mp3s, but
> I guess the "ne...@yamasa.org" thingy made it go out as a post. I
> dunno.
Dunno either. I created that account to be a spam dump, and for my own
postings to go to. For some reason though it rarely gets any spam at
all. Now you you've gone and posted the bloody thing I guess that will
change :-(
Declan Murphy
> There is a wonderful little Italian restaurant in Hirou.
>
> But I can't remember the name.
Thanks. I'll try them one by one and hold off the "pop the question" bit
until we find the wonderful one.
Declan Murphy
> I am trying to decide if Declan's concern with hygiene is funnier in light
> of his Australian passport or his Irish one. Perhaps the two combine in a
> synergistic effect of hilarity?
Due to the SARS thingee, we've recently installed alcohol dispensing
units in all the washrooms here. I wash my hands, dry them with the
paper towels, and then slowly rub alcohol over them - usually with my
hands *right under my nose* - so that I can see that all surface areas
are being thoroughly disinfected. I've become dizzy with hygiene, though
it seems to be a hell of a waste of good alcohol.
Curt Fischer
Declan Murphy wrote:
>
> Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> > I am trying to decide if Declan's concern with hygiene is funnier in light
> > of his Australian passport or his Irish one. Perhaps the two combine in a
> > synergistic effect of hilarity?
>
> Due to the SARS thingee, we've recently installed alcohol dispensing
> units in all the washrooms here. I wash my hands, dry them with the
> paper towels, and then slowly rub alcohol over them - usually with my
> hands *right under my nose*
Indeed. Wait, how does the SARS virus enter your body? Could someone
tell me that again?
--
Curt Fischer
Ed
I hope you've taken the opportunity that bachlerhood provides in order to
educate her on your expectations once you're married. Here's a few rules to
get you started.
1. "No" is not a valid response.
2. You'll wear what I tell you to wear.
3. I'm the boss.
4. You are not the boss.
5. No bitching.
6. No preaching.
7. Your parents cannot live with us.
8. We don't care what your parents think.
9. We don't care what the neighbors think.
and the most important one of all...
10. I am not Japanese. Get used to it.
Declan Murphy
Sure. SARS enters the body when it is rubbed in by a female masseuse.
http://www.japantoday.com/e/?content=kuchikomi&id=247
Declan Murphy
I think I read most of these in Ryan's FAQ. Question is though, how many
of these rules have been sustainable? My guess is (perhaps) 2? I'm
curious as the anwser <i>might</i> help me prepare mentally for a new
cashless henpecked life in sex-starved servitude.
Ed
> I think I read most of these in Ryan's FAQ. Question is though, how many
> of these rules have been sustainable? My guess is (perhaps) 2? I'm
> curious as the anwser <i>might</i> help me prepare mentally for a new
> cashless henpecked life in sex-starved servitude.
None of them are sustainable. There are, however, workarounds.
1. (for when she says "no") She'll more than likely adopt "no" as her new
favorite word once she's got her fish married, cooked and eaten, but
jealousy can be your friend. Whenever it starts to seem like you married a
nun-in-training, get a few of those girls with the too cute voices to give
you a call. Let your wife answer the phone. Once she hands it to you, start
saying things like "No, I don't work out, but thanks for noticing" and "That
sounds like fun!" and "You're sure we won't get caught?".
2. (telling her what to wear) Start wandering around the neighborhood
wearing short pants with black socks. Make sure your T-shirt is hanging out
from under your shirt. When she starts bitching about you looking like a
total dork, just explain to her that she wears comfortable clothes, too. And
besides, you're already married so there's no need to get all dressed up.
3. (you're the boss) This is the hard one. She's been taught from the womb
that a woman's lot in life is to lord it over the home and husband. Your
job, as she sees it, is to go to work and put in plenty of overtime. Don't
even play that game 'cause if you do, you're playing by her rules. You just
put down the law and act completely shocked that when you said "meishi!",
the table wasn't already set. Isn't it her job to know in advance what you
want? (this is one she'll be more than happy to work on you if you don't
beat her to the punch)
4. (she's not the boss)Now once you have the idea that you are the boss
planted firmly in the tradition of the family, she'll still think that she's
the boss if you let her. After all, perhaps you are merely demanding to be
the superficial boss. That still leaves plenty of room for her to be the
actual BOSS. A good way to tell if this is the trap she's laid is if she
starts translating your commands to mean whatever she wants them to mean.
The workaround is to recognize this tactic for what it is and treat it as if
it had never happened and you're still waiting for her to do whatever you
told her to do.
5. (no bitching) Another hard one. You'll never get her to stop bitching if
you haven't already mastered workarounds 3 and 4 yet. It's not that she
can't help herself. It's that she thinks that bitching at you is her right
as your wife. There are several workarounds for this. One is to beat her to
the punch. Let's say that you've just blown your entire bonus at the
pachinko parlor and she's slightly peeved because she was planning on using
that money to take out another life insurance policy on you. If you give her
the chance, she'll launch into a "We're poor and have bills to pay" snit.
You, with your superior male reasoning need to nip this one in the bud. As
soon as you come home from the pachinko parlor, you have to find something
to bitch to her about. The best results are obtained by pointing out her
defects as a woman. If she's got a small bust, you start complaining about
her small bust. Believe me, she already knows this is true and that you are
right. All the girls at your office have huge melons compared to her, and
that you're tired of feeling like you married Olive Oyl.
That'll shut her up before she even gets started.
6. (Stealing her pulpit) Okay, women like to preach. Especially when they
think they are working from a superior moral ground. This isn't "bitching".
Preaching is to bitching as watching an episode of Gilligan's island is to
General hospital. When a wife gets to preaching, you can be assured of a
cliffhanger in the form of you promising to be a better person, while fully
aware that you have no intentions of becoming a better person. Today's
sermon will blend into next week's sermon, which will be a continuation of
last month's sermon, etc. etc. etc.
Take the initiative and get your own pet peeve. It can be anything you like,
just so long as you know that she can't or won't change to accomodate you.
When she starts warming up for hers (this takes little time to recognize),
you quickly launch into your own sermon.
to be continued...
MonkeyBoy
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> It doesn't need to have sufficient square meterage for me to go down on
> one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
> enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
There's a decent French ... er, Freedom Restaurant at the top of Sun
Plaza in Nakano. Nice atmosphere and great view (try to reserve a
window table, though).
- MB
Brett Robson
>
>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
>not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>mind.
If you want romantic there is an excellent no pants shabu shabu near Tokyo
station, a bit pricey but I don't mind paying for a romantic dinner. My ojousama
friend was quite impressed.
I'd suggest you /don't/ mention your final decision here. Bryan and I haven't
been out for a while and I haven't seen Mike for ages either.
---
Southside massive rules!
Declan Murphy
Which was one of the nuances contained in "this may not be the best
place to ask". As you may have guessed I have no intention of mentioning
my whereabouts so I reckon I'm safe from fjlij's famed paparazzi. Plus
wherever I end up booking is unlikely to be a combination of no-pants/
mcdonalds/ girly drinks kind of place.
Silvio Franke
Ken schrieb:
>
> Declan Murphy wrote:
> > Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> > not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
> >
> > Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> > table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> > mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> Ach, muss es unbedingt in Tokyo sein?
> Dai-ichi in Kyoto is a traditional japanese restaurant dedicated to
> suppon (soft-shelled turtle) cuisine, and they only serve suppon
> stew as the main dish.
If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
Brunnthal.
Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
Silvio
-------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I feel the strong urge to march east...
Foxy Emma Jane
> Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>
> Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>
> one knee and pop "the question" in, provided the atmosphere is good
> enough for the verbal equivalent thereof.
If you like French food and good wine and are not worried about
cost, I would recommend the Georgian Club:
Declan Murphy
> If you like French food and good wine and are not worried about
> cost, I would recommend the Georgian Club:
>
> http://www.georgian-club.com/
Mmmm - a 31 page wine list is a truly wonderful thing.
Excuse me for asking, but how often have you been to this place?
Declan Murphy
> On Sat, 17 May 2003 19:21:38 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>>>John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
>>>be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
>>>to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
>>
>>Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
>>practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
>
> I think it is Midwestern in origin. The Southern version is offering
> to let her have the biggest helping of possum and sweet taters.
Is the possum shot, trapped, or err, scraped off the turnpike? And what
is the traditional aphrodisiac - a bottle of whiskey and a brick?
Foxy Emma Jane
> Foxy Emma Jane wrote:
>
>> If you like French food and good wine and are not worried about
>> cost, I would recommend the Georgian Club:
>>
>> http://www.georgian-club.com/
>
>
> Mmmm - a 31 page wine list is a truly wonderful thing.
>
> Excuse me for asking, but how often have you been to this place?
Only once (so far)
Declan Murphy
Were most of the other patrons couples, or small groups?
Foxy Emma Jane
> Foxy Emma Jane wrote:
>
>> Declan Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> Foxy Emma Jane wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you like French food and good wine and are not worried about
>>>> cost, I would recommend the Georgian Club:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.georgian-club.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Mmmm - a 31 page wine list is a truly wonderful thing.
>>>
>>> Excuse me for asking, but how often have you been to this place?
>>
>>
>> Only once (so far)
>
>
> Were most of the other patrons couples, or small groups?
I would say about half and half. I think it would be good
for you because the dining room has a very high ceiling
and the tables are well spaced so you won't be sharing
your big moment with the adjacent tables.
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 May 2003 19:21:38 +0900, Declan Murphy
>> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>>
>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>>John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
>>>>be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
>>>>to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
>>>
>>>Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
>>>practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
>>
>> I think it is Midwestern in origin. The Southern version is offering
>> to let her have the biggest helping of possum and sweet taters.
>
>Is the possum shot, trapped, or err, scraped off the turnpike?
Yes.
>And what
>is the traditional aphrodisiac - a bottle of whiskey and a brick?
If one has a brick, he hardly needs waste perfectly good whiskey on
such.
Declan Murphy
> On Mon, 19 May 2003 18:03:46 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>
>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 17 May 2003 19:21:38 +0900, Declan Murphy
>>><declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>>>
>>>>Michael Cash wrote:
>>>
>>>>>John, if she has thus far been charmed by Declan, she probably won't
>>>>>be all that hard to please. I say take her to McDonalds. If he wants
>>>>>to impress her, he can order extra ketchup for the fries.
>>>>
>>>>Is this part of a mating ritual specific to Tennessee or a tradition
>>>>practised more broadly throughout southern sepponia?
>>>
>>>I think it is Midwestern in origin. The Southern version is offering
>>>to let her have the biggest helping of possum and sweet taters.
>>
>>Is the possum shot, trapped, or err, scraped off the turnpike?
>
> Yes.
Reading through....
http://www.epsteinlarue.com/family/possum.htm
....am I correct in guessing you don't need to cook it over burning
tires if it was roadkill. The Wild Possum Kabob sounds a little more
enticing than Possum and Taters, though not as good as the Possum Roll.
>>And what
>>is the traditional aphrodisiac - a bottle of whiskey and a brick?
>
> If one has a brick, he hardly needs waste perfectly good whiskey on
> such.
I doubt the brick would have an erectile dysfunction or bad cases of nerves.
Declan Murphy
> I would say about half and half. I think it would be good
> for you because the dining room has a very high ceiling
> and the tables are well spaced so you won't be sharing
> your big moment with the adjacent tables.
Now thats the kind of practical advice almost always missing from this
NG. Pls drag yourself over from slj more often :-) Until now I was
searching for places with outdoor dining or enough (live) music for privacy.
It never even occurred to me that dining under high ceilings and at well
spaced tables was possible in Tokyo. Every time I eat there I get an
insight into the life of a battery hen. Walking into Chez Miyachi in
Okazaki last week, the owner/chef greeted us with "Welcome back, which
half of the room would you like" - or words to that effect.
Declan Murphy
>
> Ken schrieb:
>
>>Declan Murphy wrote:
>>
>>>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
>>>not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>>>
>>>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>>>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>>>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>>
>>Ach, muss es unbedingt in Tokyo sein?
>>Dai-ichi in Kyoto is a traditional japanese restaurant dedicated to
>>suppon (soft-shelled turtle) cuisine, and they only serve suppon
>>stew as the main dish.
>
> If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
> Brunnthal.
That is where you proposed to Frau Franke?
> Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
Wieviel kostet der Eintritt?
Matthew Endo
> It never even occurred to me that dining under high ceilings and at well
> spaced tables was possible in Tokyo.
Oh, it's available, but at a price.
Most of the people killing time in _this_ NG don't have that kind of
budget.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Curt Fischer
Where can I find NGs where most of the participants have that kind of
dough?
--
Curt Fischer
Kevin Gowen
Surely not misc.consumers.frugal-living. Holy crap those bastards are cheap.
Come to my news server, where we listen to Bach and sip Cristal while
beautiful women massage our feet and make us macaroni and cheese.
--
Kevin Gowen
Foxy Emma Jane
> Foxy Emma Jane wrote:
>
>> I would say about half and half. I think it would be good
>> for you because the dining room has a very high ceiling
>> and the tables are well spaced so you won't be sharing
>> your big moment with the adjacent tables.
>
>
> Now thats the kind of practical advice almost always missing from this
> NG. Pls drag yourself over from slj more often :-) Until now I was
> searching for places with outdoor dining or enough (live) music for
> privacy.
I don't know if it's relevant, but another sligtly unusual (for
Tokyo) feature of this restaurant is that, despite the high
ceiling, the dining area is all non-smoking. Smoking is allowed
in the bar.
> It never even occurred to me that dining under high ceilings and at well
> spaced tables was possible in Tokyo. Every time I eat there I get an
> insight into the life of a battery hen. Walking into Chez Miyachi in
> Okazaki last week, the owner/chef greeted us with "Welcome back, which
> half of the room would you like" - or words to that effect.
Wherever you end up going, I hope everything turns out well. I
was going to say "I hope everything goes to plan", but big
events like this never go completely to plan, do they?
Good luck.
Silvio Franke
Declan Murphy schrieb:
>
> Silvio Franke wrote:
> >
> > Ken schrieb:
> >
> >>Declan Murphy wrote:
> >>
> >>>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> >>>not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
> >>>
> >>>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> >>>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> >>>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
> >>
> >>Ach, muss es unbedingt in Tokyo sein?
> >>Dai-ichi in Kyoto is a traditional japanese restaurant dedicated to
> >>suppon (soft-shelled turtle) cuisine, and they only serve suppon
> >>stew as the main dish.
> >
> > If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
> > Brunnthal.
>
> That is where you proposed to Frau Franke?
No, but that is the place, where I can go to with my wife and daughter
without being concerned about my budget. ;-)
For a family it is good to know such a place. And as you are going
to start your own family-thing now, I thought you should know
one, too. harhar
> > Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
>
> Wieviel kostet der Eintritt?
Nichts. Null. Nada. Niente. Nothing.....
Declan Murphy
> I don't know if it's relevant, but another sligtly unusual (for
> Tokyo) feature of this restaurant is that, despite the high
> ceiling, the dining area is all non-smoking. Smoking is allowed
> in the bar.
I must be very slow as I didn't think of that either dammit. The
(hopefully) future "she - who - must - be - obeyed" gave up smoking only
3 months ago, and now hates going to places with the smell of smoke.
Makes her crave them.
Apart from this "Georgian Club", any other suggestions for a smoke
free(ish) place?
> Wherever you end up going, I hope everything turns out well. I
> was going to say "I hope everything goes to plan", but big
> events like this never go completely to plan, do they?
>
> Good luck.
Thank you.
Brett Robson
>
>
>If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
>Brunnthal.
>Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
>
There is a German restaurant in Ginza I often go to with a German friend for
some lovely beer with a name that is completely unpronouncable, I just point to
the menu. They always put the gaigin in one corner so one waitress can help us
all. Except the two of us end up translating for everyone.
---
Southside massive rules!
Declan Murphy
> Curt Fischer wrote:
>
>>Matthew Endo wrote:
>>
>>>Declan Murphy <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>It never even occurred to me that dining under high ceilings and at
>>>>well spaced tables was possible in Tokyo.
>>>
>>>Oh, it's available, but at a price.
>>>
>>>Most of the people killing time in _this_ NG don't have that kind of
>>>budget.
>>
>>Where can I find NGs where most of the participants have that kind of
>>dough?
>
> Surely not misc.consumers.frugal-living. Holy crap those bastards are cheap.
Lots more traffic than alt.drinks.irish-whiskey - folks just can't
prioritize these days.
Declan Murphy
Shirley you aren't talking about the Munchen? Does Oleg (or your good
self) ever drop into Bernd's bar in Roppongi?
Declan Murphy
>
> Declan Murphy schrieb:
>
>>Silvio Franke wrote:
>>
>>>Ken schrieb:
>>>
>>>>Declan Murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
>>>>>not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
>>>>>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
>>>>>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
>>>>
>>>>Ach, muss es unbedingt in Tokyo sein?
>>>>Dai-ichi in Kyoto is a traditional japanese restaurant dedicated to
>>>>suppon (soft-shelled turtle) cuisine, and they only serve suppon
>>>>stew as the main dish.
>>>
>>>If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
>>>Brunnthal.
>>
>>That is where you proposed to Frau Franke?
>
> No, but that is the place, where I can go to with my wife and daughter
> without being concerned about my budget. ;-)
Am I correct in assuming that aspirations of controlling the household
finances is one of the many potential differences between a BYJW and a BYGW?
> For a family it is good to know such a place. And as you are going
> to start your own family-thing now, I thought you should know
> one, too. harhar
Ahh. Breeding. That looks like another painful learning curve.
>>>Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
>>
>>Wieviel kostet der Eintritt?
>
> Nichts. Null. Nada. Niente. Nothing.....
Was kann man abends unternehmen?
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Silvio Franke wrote:
>>
>> Declan Murphy schrieb:
>
>Am I correct in assuming that aspirations of controlling the household
>finances is one of the many potential differences between a BYJW and a BYGW?
Yes.
>
>> For a family it is good to know such a place. And as you are going
>> to start your own family-thing now, I thought you should know
>> one, too. harhar
>
>Ahh. Breeding. That looks like another painful learning curve.
Child-rearing is an incredibly long drawn-out process that goes by at
something approximating the speed of light.
>
>>>>Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
>>>
>>>Wieviel kostet der Eintritt?
>>
>> Nichts. Null. Nada. Niente. Nothing.....
>
>Was kann man abends unternehmen?
Why are you asking about his underwear?
Michael Cash
and wheezed:
>On Mon, 19 May 2003 08:45:18 +0200, Silvio ...
>>
>>
>>If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
>>Brunnthal.
>>Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
>>
>
>
>There is a German restaurant in Ginza I often go to with a German friend for
>some lovely beer with a name that is completely unpronouncable, I just point to
>the menu. They always put the gaigin in one corner so one waitress can help us
>all.
Sounds not terribly different from when you go to a Japanese
restaurant.
Brett Robson
>
>Brett Robson wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 May 2003 08:45:18 +0200, Silvio ...
>
>>>If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
>>>Brunnthal.
>>>Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
>>
>> There is a German restaurant in Ginza I often go to with a German friend for
>>some lovely beer with a name that is completely unpronouncable, I just point to
>>the menu. They always put the gaigin in one corner so one waitress can help us
>> all. Except the two of us end up translating for everyone.
>
>Shirley you aren't talking about the Munchen?
I don't know, maybe, but don't call me Shirley. We just call it "The Kraut Place
in Ginza". When I stop to look at the station map to get out of the station, I
am offered assistance by some kind person who thinks I'm lost. (This also
happened at my previous local subway station).
>Does Oleg (or your good self) ever drop into Bernd's bar in Roppongi?
Neither of us go to Roppongi much. We went there for New Year's and one time
after since. Roppongi is a pain in the arse to get to from just about
everywhere, I think I have been there 3 times since moving in September.
---
Southside massive rules!
Michael Cash
<foxyem...@yahoo.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Wherever you end up going, I hope everything turns out well.
How terrible of you to hope she turns him down!
Declan Murphy
> On Tue, 20 May 2003 16:37:15 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>>Ahh. Breeding. That looks like another painful learning curve.
>
> Child-rearing is an incredibly long drawn-out process that goes by at
> something approximating the speed of light.
That painful huh? I look forward to the next instalment of the FAQ. Of
course it would be nice if Ed could escape the clutches long enough to
get back to his chat machine and finish his instalment first.
>>Was kann man abends unternehmen?
>
> Why are you asking about his underwear?
I am?
Ed
"Michael Cash" <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:h7pjcvkpbdsto5o7q...@4ax.com...
> Child-rearing is an incredibly long drawn-out process that goes by at
> something approximating the speed of light.
As illogical as this statement is, there is nothing but truth in it.
Mine are either still wearing diapers, or out on a shopping spree with their
mother for their first cars.
Ed
"Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3EC9EB85...@hotmail.com...
> Michael Cash wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 May 2003 16:37:15 +0900, Declan Murphy
> > <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>
> >>Ahh. Breeding. That looks like another painful learning curve.
> >
> > Child-rearing is an incredibly long drawn-out process that goes by at
> > something approximating the speed of light.
>
> That painful huh? I look forward to the next instalment of the FAQ. Of
> course it would be nice if Ed could escape the clutches long enough to
> get back to his chat machine and finish his instalment first.
I'll get back to you just as soon as the matrimonial bliss of knowing that
all I have to do is say "Brace yourself Shige-chan 'cause daddy's home and
it's time to play house!" has been swept aside with a healthy dose of
reality.
Silvio Franke
Declan Murphy schrieb:
>
> >>>>>Considering the known dining/drinking habits of some regulars, this may
> >>>>>not be the best place to ask. On the other hand, WTF.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Any recommendations for a lovely, good quality, muzak free,
> >>>>>table-for-two romantic restaurant in Tokyo? No particular budget in
> >>>>>mind. No particular cuisine in mind either.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ach, muss es unbedingt in Tokyo sein?
> >>>>Dai-ichi in Kyoto is a traditional japanese restaurant dedicated to
> >>>>suppon (soft-shelled turtle) cuisine, and they only serve suppon
> >>>>stew as the main dish.
> >>>
> >>>If it not has to be Tokyo, then go to the Schnitzel-Werner in
> >>>Brunnthal.
> >>
> >>That is where you proposed to Frau Franke?
> >
> > No, but that is the place, where I can go to with my wife and daughter
> > without being concerned about my budget. ;-)
>
> Am I correct in assuming that aspirations of controlling the household
> finances is one of the many potential differences between a BYJW and a BYGW?
I think so. Well at least my wife never tried to controll the budget
completely. Or perhaps I'm only living in my own bubble of reality.
Perhaps this sounds strange, but we control the budget toghether.
> > For a family it is good to know such a place. And as you are going
> > to start your own family-thing now, I thought you should know
> > one, too. harhar
>
> Ahh. Breeding. That looks like another painful learning curve.
>
> >>>Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
> >>
> >>Wieviel kostet der Eintritt?
> >
> > Nichts. Null. Nada. Niente. Nothing.....
>
> Was kann man abends unternehmen?
Well the Schnitzel-Werner is only for eating a lot for small money.
Here is a place just like designed for you. Directly behind
the Frauenkirche is Killian's Irish pub and you don't even have to
leave the floor to go to Ned Kelly's Australian Bar.
This place is perfect for my family:
Daddy is watching soccer or Rugby in Ned Kelly's bar, while my wife
is eating with my daughter one of the huge burgers in the Irish pub.
If you want to take a look:
http://www.kiliansirishpub.moonfruit.com/
http://n-kellys.moonfruit.com/
Silvio Franke
Michael Cash schrieb:
>
> On Tue, 20 May 2003 16:37:15 +0900, Declan Murphy
> <declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>
> >Silvio Franke wrote:
> >>
> >> Declan Murphy schrieb:
>
> >
> >Am I correct in assuming that aspirations of controlling the household
> >finances is one of the many potential differences between a BYJW and a BYGW?
>
> Yes.
I agree.
> >> For a family it is good to know such a place. And as you are going
> >> to start your own family-thing now, I thought you should know
> >> one, too. harhar
> >
> >Ahh. Breeding. That looks like another painful learning curve.
>
> Child-rearing is an incredibly long drawn-out process that goes by at
> something approximating the speed of light.
> >
> >>>>Huge Schnitzels or other nice food like Hax`n for 680 Yen.
> >>>
> >>>Wieviel kostet der Eintritt?
> >>
> >> Nichts. Null. Nada. Niente. Nothing.....
> >
> >Was kann man abends unternehmen?
>
> Why are you asking about his underwear?
Is there a market in Japan for my used underwear?
At least at Tuesdays and Thursdays?
Silvio
-------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I feel the strong zrge to march east...
Silvio Franke
Brett Robson schrieb:
Sounds like some of the places here in Munich, too.
Some people from nothern Germany would need a translator for the
Bavarian
dialect and the Bavarian menu.
Silvio
-------------------------------------------------
Sometimes I feel the strong urge to march east...
Michael Cash
<silvio...@unibw-muenchen.de> gasped and wheezed:
>
>
>Michael Cash schrieb:
>> Why are you asking about his underwear?
>
>Is there a market in Japan for my used underwear?
>At least at Tuesdays and Thursdays?
I have more than I can possibly sniff in a lifetime. Bryan might want
some, though.
Ed
"Foxy Emma Jane" <foxyem...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3EC97E3F...@yahoo.com...
That's the biggest problem I see with Declan's "Show her how classy I am by
taking her to a romantic restaurant" plan. It's a BIG plan that involves
violins playing in the background and all anything a girl could possibly
dream about (providing that Declan doesn't resemble the elephant man). If he
takes her to some fancy restaurant that charges two balls and a reach-around
in order to sit down and eat some roast beast, he's going about it the wrong
way.
My idea is much more practical. Declan prepares a picnic and takes her out
into the middle of nowhere where nobody is around and nobody is ever going
to plod their way through. Nobody, nothing, nada, zilch. It'll require at
least a half hour of hiking through sticker bushes and stepping on
innumerable piles of crow doo-doo. Once you find a place clean and clear
enough to spread a picnic blanket, woo her, make love to her on the picnic
blanket so hard that she has a seizure and then pop the question.
First, if she is too uptight to make love on a picnic blanket in the middle
of nowhere, then you don't want her. Second, if you can't get her hot enough
to have a "seizure" after all that hiking and in the middle of a bunch of
crow shit, then you don't want her. Thirdly, if she does pass the first two
tests, she'll say "yes" and think it's the most romantic thing she's ever
done. Fourthly, she won't want to do it again once you've been married a few
years.
You take her to this expensive restaurant with the glitz and glamour of a 30
page wine list and 20,000 yen soups and that will forever after be referred
to as "our place" as far as she is concerned. She'll bitch, moan, complain
and grumble about not visiting "Our Place" at least once every month (or
once every time you want to wet the weiner) because that expensive piece of
imitation plastic posh with the undercooked Oscar Meyer weiners will
hereinafter be the bell of romance for your Pavlovian "dog". Take her into
the outback and she'll think twice about having to lace up some hiking boots
in order to relive her glorious entrance into the world of future
grandmothers.
Declan Murphy
>
> Declan Murphy schrieb:
>>Was kann man abends unternehmen?
>
> Well the Schnitzel-Werner is only for eating a lot for small money.
> Here is a place just like designed for you. Directly behind
> the Frauenkirche is Killian's Irish pub and you don't even have to
> leave the floor to go to Ned Kelly's Australian Bar.
> This place is perfect for my family:
> Daddy is watching soccer or Rugby in Ned Kelly's bar, while my wife
> is eating with my daughter one of the huge burgers in the Irish pub.
I think I'd just start running from one to the other. And for Ireland
versus Australia matches, it would be wonderfully confusing.
> If you want to take a look:
> http://www.kiliansirishpub.moonfruit.com/
> http://n-kellys.moonfruit.com/
Why is Ned wearing a balaclava under his bucket? Must be cold in
Germany. I like the "Young Ned" very short film though.
Declan Murphy
> Mine are either still wearing diapers, or out on a shopping spree with their
> mother for their first cars.
How many sprogs do you have Ed?
Glenn Rubin
> Foxy Emma Jane wrote:
>
> > I don't know if it's relevant, but another sligtly unusual (for
> > Tokyo) feature of this restaurant is that, despite the high
> > ceiling, the dining area is all non-smoking. Smoking is allowed
> > in the bar.
>
> I must be very slow as I didn't think of that either dammit. The
> (hopefully) future "she - who - must - be - obeyed" gave up smoking only
> 3 months ago, and now hates going to places with the smell of smoke.
> Makes her crave them.
>
> Apart from this "Georgian Club", any other suggestions for a smoke
> free(ish) place?
>
> > Wherever you end up going, I hope everything turns out well. I
> > was going to say "I hope everything goes to plan", but big
> > events like this never go completely to plan, do they?
> >
> > Good luck.
>
> Thank you.
Hi Declan,
I had to come out of lurker mode for this...
I would have to recommend that you don't propose at the restaurant.
Try to set up a nice bottle of champagne and leave it your hotel room
chilling. You can hide it in the minibar. By all means, go to a
nice, romantic restaurant, don't drink too much, go back to the hotel
early. Surprise her with the champagne and then surprise her with the
question.
It would also be good if you had a ring to surprise her with as
well...
Declan Murphy
> Hi Declan,
> I had to come out of lurker mode for this...
Pls delurk more often! A periscope depth approach to newsgroup
participation has its limitations.
I hope you have been keeping well? Still in Tokyo?
> I would have to recommend that you don't propose at the restaurant.
> Try to set up a nice bottle of champagne and leave it your hotel room
> chilling. You can hide it in the minibar. By all means, go to a
> nice, romantic restaurant, don't drink too much, go back to the hotel
> early. Surprise her with the champagne and then surprise her with the
> question.
>
> It would also be good if you had a ring to surprise her with as
> well...
I'm still undecided for where and when etc. I did think about that
approach too of course. After all I am probably the most romantic
bearded Australian born Irishman in the whole of Okazaki.
Michael Cash
gasped and wheezed:
>Hi Declan,
>I had to come out of lurker mode for this...
>I would have to recommend that you don't propose at the restaurant.
>Try to set up a nice bottle of champagne and leave it your hotel room
>chilling. You can hide it in the minibar. By all means, go to a
>nice, romantic restaurant, don't drink too much, go back to the hotel
>early. Surprise her with the champagne and then surprise her with the
>question.
>
>It would also be good if you had a ring to surprise her with as
>well...
I'm sorta like Ed on this, though he didn't say it in so many words,
the gist of his "do it amidst the cowshit" post was "reduce the chance
of blowing the moment due to outside risks".
Bubbly beverages at the big moment? I wouldn't chance it.
Ed
> Ed wrote:
>
> > Mine are either still wearing diapers, or out on a shopping spree with
their
> > mother for their first cars.
>
> How many sprogs do you have Ed?
Two sprogs, two dogs and a deadbeat cat.
Declan Murphy
> I'm sorta like Ed on this, though he didn't say it in so many words,
> the gist of his "do it amidst the cowshit" post was "reduce the chance
> of blowing the moment due to outside risks".
I'm a cautious bloke by nature. Instead of a death or glory driver, I
generally prefer to use a 3 iron and land safely just short of the green.
> Bubbly beverages at the big moment? I wouldn't chance it.
The places I've booked aren't particularly expensive nor pretentious,
but look comfortable and fun and reflect our interests. She knows me
well, crass and uncultured boor or otherwise. Besides, she has seen me
stark naked on a freezing mid-winter morning - "impressing" just isn't
an issue.
Piccolo
Stupid american girls always want to see geisha, but geisha are
practically non-existant in japan because a "baa hossutessu" is more
like what americans do and is therefore trendy. It's really sad
having to break to your girlfriend that japanese think they are
white.
Foxy Emma Jane
> Foxy Emma Jane wrote:
>
>> I don't know if it's relevant, but another sligtly unusual (for
>> Tokyo) feature of this restaurant is that, despite the high
>> ceiling, the dining area is all non-smoking. Smoking is allowed
>> in the bar.
>
>
> I must be very slow as I didn't think of that either dammit. The
> (hopefully) future "she - who - must - be - obeyed" gave up smoking only
> 3 months ago, and now hates going to places with the smell of smoke.
> Makes her crave them.
>
> Apart from this "Georgian Club", any other suggestions for a smoke
> free(ish) place?
I can't think of any other completely non-smoking restaurants
off hand. The restaurants in the big hotels tend to be fairly
spacious and therefore relatively smoke free. I've enjoyed
the following:
Intercontinental Tokyo Bay:
La Provence (Expensive French)
Asian Table (Reasonable Ethnic)
New Otani:
Sekishin - Tei (Tapanyaki)
Okura:
Starlight (Chinese) - very good Peking Duck
Another place I have found to be fairly smoke free is
Hiramatsu in Hiroo:
http://www.hiramatsu.co.jp/hiramatsu/index.html
Which is, you guessed it, expensive French!
They also have an extensive wine list, though maybe
you had better not let her choose - last time I
checked they had one bottle for 900,000 yen!
If you are looking for something a bit more
reasonable, there is a good Chinese restaurant
in Ginza but I can't remember the name of it!
It's in the street with the big lion on about
the 6th or 7th floor. The reason I thought of
it is because they have a dining area with about
6 tables and maybe 4-6 "cubicles" each with a
single table (it's better than it sounds).
Maybe someone else knows the name of it.
Michael Cash
<declan...@hotmail.com> gasped and wheezed:
>Michael Cash wrote:
>
>> I'm sorta like Ed on this, though he didn't say it in so many words,
>> the gist of his "do it amidst the cowshit" post was "reduce the chance
>> of blowing the moment due to outside risks".
>
>I'm a cautious bloke by nature. Instead of a death or glory driver, I
>generally prefer to use a 3 iron and land safely just short of the green.
>
>> Bubbly beverages at the big moment? I wouldn't chance it.
>
>The places I've booked aren't particularly expensive nor pretentious,
>but look comfortable and fun and reflect our interests. She knows me
>well, crass and uncultured boor or otherwise. Besides, she has seen me
>stark naked on a freezing mid-winter morning - "impressing" just isn't
>an issue.
The thing is, though, no matter how carefully you choose a restaurant,
unless you charter the damned place you won't be able to choose who is
nearby. The physical location is only half the battle. You can get
that just like you want it, and when the evening comes there might be
a table of yokels right next to you such as would not only spoil the
moment, but even kill your appetite.
I'd make it part of the total package, but I believe I'd keep the
大人しく付いて来い part for a time/place where there is less chance
for an outside and unforeseen variable to come creeping in.
Of course, the approach I would *really* recommend is just to not make
a big deal of it at all. Whether she says yes or no, 20 years from now
you'll look back and wonder why you bothered.
Declan Murphy
> I can't think of any other completely non-smoking restaurants
> off hand. The restaurants in the big hotels tend to be fairly
> spacious and therefore relatively smoke free. I've enjoyed
> the following:
<snipped but saved - thanks!>
> Another place I have found to be fairly smoke free is
> Hiramatsu in Hiroo:
>
> http://www.hiramatsu.co.jp/hiramatsu/index.html
>
> Which is, you guessed it, expensive French!
Damn. Why is it always thus? Especially since the more expensive an
expensive French is, the more it seems likely to truly suck.
> They also have an extensive wine list, though maybe
> you had better not let her choose - last time I
> checked they had one bottle for 900,000 yen!
We established the wine rule a few years back. The rule is, she does not
choose the wine. Not because she instinctively goes for the pricier
stuff, but because of the exact opposite. The lingering Mikawa influence
perhaps.
Declan Murphy
> I'd make it part of the total package, but I believe I'd keep the
> 大人しく付いて来い part for a time/place where there is less chance
> for an outside and unforeseen variable to come creeping in.
All true enough. I've got lunch, afternoon, dinner, dessert, hotel,
breakfast, morning, lunch and another afternoon - somewhere in amongst
all that the time & place will hopefully sort itself out. I'm relaxed
about it.
Declan Murphy
<snip>
> I'm relaxed about it.
At least I *was* relaxed about it.
I'm currently a nervous anxious wreck.
Kevin Gowen
> Declan Murphy wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> I'm relaxed about it.
>
> At least I *was* relaxed about it.
>
> I'm currently a nervous anxious wreck.
Do you have watery bowels? That happens to me when I get real nervous. Once
I poop it out I feel a lot better.
Just have a few belts of whiskey and you'll be fine.
--
Kevin Gowen
Declan Murphy
> Declan Murphy wrote:
>
>>Declan Murphy wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>>I'm relaxed about it.
>>
>>At least I *was* relaxed about it.
>>
>>I'm currently a nervous anxious wreck.
>
> Do you have watery bowels? That happens to me when I get real nervous. Once
> I poop it out I feel a lot better.
I'm not sure rushing off to the gents and coming back smelling like
Bangkok every hour or so is going to add spice to the weekend.
> Just have a few belts of whiskey and you'll be fine.
I think you meant to write "a few *more*..."
Ken
> Foxy Emma Jane wrote:
>
>> I can't think of any other completely non-smoking restaurants
>> off hand. The restaurants in the big hotels tend to be fairly
>> spacious and therefore relatively smoke free. I've enjoyed
>> the following:
>
>
> <snipped but saved - thanks!>
>
>> Another place I have found to be fairly smoke free is
>> Hiramatsu in Hiroo:
>>
>> http://www.hiramatsu.co.jp/hiramatsu/index.html
>>
>> Which is, you guessed it, expensive French!
>
>
> Damn. Why is it always thus? Especially since the more expensive an
> expensive French is, the more it seems likely to truly suck.
Italian food then, perhaps? I'm surprised people haven't mentioned
the Enoteca Pinchiorri in the building next to the Nissan showroom
in Ginza.
The wine list there must have had well over 60 pages and 2000 wines...
Rumor has it that they've got the most extensive wine list in Japan.
The restaurant's long entrance corridor going through the wine cellar
is quite impressive. Wine otakus might appreciate the fact that the
Enoteca use fine-stemmed (but very fragile) Riedel wine glasses.
The ceiling is unfortunately quite low, and table spacing is normal
but not anything to write home about. The atmosphere is a bit smoky.
There are a handful of private areas partitioned with paneled glass
doors if you don't want to share your big moment with the noisy and
tobacco-addicted vulgum pecus in the main dining room :-)
The food is forgettable and not very expensive (less than 20K a la
carte) but as to the wines, it's better to maybe give a phonecall to
Amex first to warn them that you'll be charging, um, a quite unusal
amount to your card in the next few days.
Does it make sense going to a "shinise" japanese ryoutei that has been
around for a couple hundred years, and which might be still around
if and when you wish to commemorate your big moment 20 or 30 years
hence? Or should the place be generic enough so that it can be easily
erased from your memory and future gastronomic itineraries if things
turn out less well than initially hoped? I have no idea.
Matthew Endo
> Italian food then, perhaps? I'm surprised people haven't mentioned
> the Enoteca Pinchiorri in the building next to the Nissan showroom
> in Ginza.
How does this compare to the one in Italy? I have been meaning to visit
the Ginza one but I'm still paying off that $800 bill for 3 people which
included an $80 _glass_ of wine.
--
Matt
ma...@gol.com
Declan Murphy
thoroughly unscientific survey of romantic and not-so-romantic
establishments in Tokyo over the weekend, here are some plus/minus
points for some of the places we went to for anyone who cares.
1. The Fukuoka Kaikan just down the road from the British Embassy is not
a good place for a romantic lunch, though the actual lunch itself was
pretty damn good. We ended up eating there because the section of the
British Embassy I needed to visit was closed until mid afternoon. (In
case any one is curious, the British Embassy is also not a good place to
start romancing. While she thought the architecture was rather
natsukashii, the security at the gate shocked her a little. I had to
drag her in there because I had to file some papers. We then had to head
to the Irish Embassy, which inevitably perhaps, was actually quite fun)
2. A high ceiling, peace and quiet and some smoke free space is not
usually what comes to mind when you say "The Shamrock" near Kichioji
station. We were killing time before dinner. Her first ever Guiness was
poured and brought to the table by a young gentleman wearing and
speaking green. "What language was he speaking Dekuran?", "English
darling, English", "It wasn't Irish?", "No darling, it was English",
"Are you sure?", "Yes dear, it wasn't Mikawa-ben, so it must have been
English", "But what language did you reply in?" etc etc etc.
3. Niraikamei Okinawan restaurant also in Kichioji was kinda fun, except
that you are packed in elbow to elbow. The beer from Ishigaki was damn
fine, and if you are reading this Ryan, I found that I actually liked
eating fried pig's ears. The bar staff apparently also read fjlij - as
Ryan's awamori based cocktail recipe was doing the rounds. In most cases
with a dash of blue curacao, even though I couldn't see any gaigin
around resembling Bryan.
4. Kubakan in Aoyama was simply heaven.
5. The bar at the top of the tower of the New Otani Hotel was
surprisingly small and noisy, probably due to a table of 8 or so
eurotrash gaigins across the way from us. Nice yakei views, though
motoakasaka was just a great black hole. Enjoyed a very nice Fonseca
port, but its not the sort of place to go down on one knee in.
6. Tete-a-Tete (mega thanks to John Yamamoto Hyphen Wilson) was also
good. We didn't arrive until late, and with the exception of another
couple had the place to ourselves. The duck was good, the wine better,
the dessert wonderful. Very nice atmosphere.
7. Garden Lounge at the New Otani has a nice brunch. Its a nice place to
slowly wake up in when you sleep in until 11. I hadn't been to the
garden there before and was interested in its history. The garden itself
is nice-ish, though nowhere as nice as the Ii family's other garden down
in Hikone. About the only thing spoiling the place was a noisy sepponian
photographer screaming and shouting instructions to the family he was
shooting pictures of.
8. At Tokyo station, a lazy lunch/afternoon downstairs in Mikuni. The
only time I've ever seen kaiten sushi look appetising. Dessert in the
train style dining cars - a good idea as you have a lot of privacy but
don't feel boxed in.
--
The captain is brave ( Aye! Carumba! What a storm! ).
The captain is brave, he's a fearless man,
And Gilligan help him all that he can.
The wheel, she break, and lose all control;
S.S. Minnow do the rock-and-roll!
Louise Bremner
> Thanks to all for the advice and various suggestions. On the basis of a
> thoroughly unscientific survey of romantic and not-so-romantic
> establishments in Tokyo over the weekend, here are some plus/minus
> points for some of the places we went to for anyone who cares.
>
> 1. ...
>
> 2. A high ceiling, peace and quiet and some smoke free space is not
> usually what comes to mind when you say "The Shamrock" ...
Indeed not! If that is really so, maybe I could be charmed into
there.... Real Guinness? Not bottled?
> ...near Kichioji station.
Is that close to Kichijoji?
> 3. ...
>
> 4. ...
>
> 5. ...
> 6. ...
>
> 7. ...
>
> 8. ...
But did you actually pop the question, which I thought was the whole
point of this exercise?
________________________________________________________________________
Louise Bremner (log at gol dot com)
If you want a reply by e-mail, don't write to my Yahoo address!
Declan Murphy
> Declan Murphy <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>2. A high ceiling, peace and quiet and some smoke free space is not
>>usually what comes to mind when you say "The Shamrock" ...
>
> Indeed not! If that is really so, maybe I could be charmed into
> there.... Real Guinness? Not bottled?
It was a bit too early for good craic and dancing on the tables.
Probably less than 10 people in there or thereabouts. The Guinness was
real. Most of the places I've had a Guinness or ten in up in Tokyo had
it on tap. Which is a nice change from here.
>>...near Kichioji station.
>
> Is that close to Kichijoji?
Tokyo geography isn't my strong point. My bad. Next to/Close to Mitsukoshi.
> But did you actually pop the question, which I thought was the whole
> point of this exercise?
Yes I did. Yes it was. Yes was the answer.