Osaka or Tokyo first?
Kevin Gowen
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> I'm stumped.
>
> I am learning the language and told we are studying the Tokyo/Japan wide
> tongue if I may say that.
>
> The question is, should one who is studying this nationwide language go
> to Tokyo first or go to Osaka first? Primarily to live/work and study,
> so where is better?
>
> Reasoning:
> 1. I am told even though Osaka understand Tokyo dialect, they speak
> different words sort of. So the vocab I know they'll know but I won't
> know any of theirs (Osakan). I don't know how true this is but I've
> heard some words are different or meanings.
This is true. No one outside of Osaka speaks Osakan, which is considered a
separate language from Tokyo Japanese, just like Mandarin and Cantonese for
the Chinese language.
> 2. Another reason is if I go to Tokyo, I know the language there and can
> settle in easier being my first time, then later move to Osaka.
>
> Need some input please.
If you learn Osakan, you will basically be stuck in Osaka. You should learn
Tokyo Japanese.
- Kevin
Abdullah Omar
> This is true. No one outside of Osaka speaks Osakan, which is considered a
> separate language from Tokyo Japanese, just like Mandarin and Cantonese for
> the Chinese language.
What the fuck are you on about? I assume you are just trolling (as usual), but Kansaiben vs. Kantouben are not all THAT different, and certainly can not be compared with Chinese dialects such as Mandarinvs. Cantonese which are dramatically different from each other.
> If you learn Osakan, you will basically be stuck in Osaka. You should learn
> Tokyo Japanese.
Er, if you learn "standard" (as used in Tokyo) Japanese, you will likely get more mileage from your Japanese than if you start with a local dialect of it. You can then pick up variations in the place you decide to settle in and have some fun with it.
John W.
> I'm stumped.
>
> I am learning the language and told we are studying the Tokyo/Japan wide
> tongue if I may say that.
>
> The question is, should one who is studying this nationwide language go
> to Tokyo first or go to Osaka first? Primarily to live/work and study,
> so where is better?
>
First, ignore Kevin's bit for the most part. If you go to Kansai (the region
around Osaka) you can learn the 'standard' language. As for dialects, it
doesn't matter where you go; Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, wherever, there are local
usages and vocabulary. Don't let this hold you back in any way.
Now, as for where to go, I personaly prefer Kansai, particularly Kobe. There
are a couple of reasons. First, I love the outdoors; from my apartment in
Kobe I could be hiking within ten minutes. It took the same time to go
shopping, drinking, eating in world-class restaurants, etc. There was also
some excellent biking (road, though I did some mountain as well) with very
little traffic.
Beyond this, I found that the culture of Kansai resonated with me. Can't
explain why, exactly.
You might consider Nagoya, though. Didn't live there myself, but I figure if
I ever get to go back I'll go to Nagoya. A good location all around.
John W.
Kaz Tanaka
Well, seems, somebody has requested me to appear here. Basically
Osakan tongue is common in the whole region of Kansai, and the western
part of Japan.
He will surely be stuck in the western part of Japan, but not only
limited to Osaka.
If he picked up the tokyo tongue, he should be ready to be assumed as
a company of tokyo-imperial rapists of Nanking by Korean-Japanese
citizens in Osaka and the western part of Japan, or assumed as a
tokyo-imperial-supremacist, an ethnocentric person of the 'homogeneous
Jomon tokyo'.
Kaz Tanaka
> Er, if you learn "standard" (as used in Tokyo) Japanese
Ah..... Is this Taliban man also claims that the tokyo tongue is the standard?
No wonder why our tokyo-japs are so ethnocentric racists sympathizing with those...
Please don't feed our countrymen since they might become brutal again.
TT
people are miles friendlier, you can be in the countryside in 15 min and the
sea's 30min away.
"John W." <worth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Declan Murphy
> Basically Osakan tongue is common in the whole region of Kansai
Sounds kinda oishii. Do we grill it or skewer?
John W.
Kaz, like it or not, the standard is pretty much the standard, and for
the most part the standard is associated with Tokyo. If you've ever
been to Tokyo, though, you'd know that the 'standard'
taught-in-the-textbooks Japanese isn't the same as the Tokyo dialect.
(Don't know why I feel like opening this topic again.)
John W.
John W.
> Quality of life is incalculatably better in Osaka. Its cheaper, cleaner, the
> people are miles friendlier, you can be in the countryside in 15 min and the
> sea's 30min away.
>
prefer Kansai. But that's hardly scientific; I've only known about
four people (not counting my short Tokyo stint) who've lived any
considerable time in both places.
But throw Nagoya in the mix. Never lived there, but really would like
to.
John W.
Kevin Gowen
> > This is true. No one outside of Osaka speaks Osakan, which is considered
a
> > separate language from Tokyo Japanese, just like Mandarin and Cantonese
for
> > the Chinese language.
>
> What the fuck are you on about?
The many mutually unintelligible dialects of the Japanese language family.
Don't you know about this?
> I assume you are just trolling (as usual), but Kansaiben vs. Kantouben are
not all THAT different, and certainly can not be compared with Chinese
dialects such as Mandarinvs. Cantonese which are dramatically different from
each other.
Yes, they are, just like Tokyoese and Osakan are dramatically different to
the point of being unintelligible.
> > If you learn Osakan, you will basically be stuck in Osaka. You should
learn
> > Tokyo Japanese.
>
> Er, if you learn "standard" (as used in Tokyo) Japanese, you will likely
get more mileage from your Japanese than if you start with a local dialect
of it.
Yes, just like Mandarin is the standard in China.
> You can then pick up variations in the place you decide to settle in and
have some fun with it.
Can you use chopsticks?
- Kevin
Omar Abdullah
> But throw Nagoya in the mix. Never lived there, but really would like
> to.
Why? It looks like a cesspool from the window of the shinkansen enroute
to beautiful Kyoto. Heard there are a lot of cheap sex clubs though, if
you're into that sorta thing. :-)
Ernest Schaal
> Yes, they are, just like Tokyoese and Osakan are dramatically different to
> the point of being unintelligible.
If this were true, then televisions dramas would have to have
different versions of their dramas. Instead, the programs have not
only the Tokyo and Osaka dialects, but also the Fukuoka dialect, with
the viewers being able to understand them all.
Kevin Gowen
news:3c88...@news.interq.or.jp...
Nagoya is a city that is completely unremarkable in every way. This
condition has worsened since those really old twins died.
- Kevin
Ryan Ginstrom
> Nagoya is a city that is completely unremarkable in every way. This
> condition has worsened since those really old twins died.
How well do you know Nagoya, Kevin? Didn't you spend most of your time in
bum-fucked BSE land?
--
Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Kevin Gowen
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That is why the TVs in Japan all have SAP, which allows them to hear dubbing
in the different Japanese languages.
- Kevin
Kevin Gowen
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>
> "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a697hn$cn2s0$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de...
> > Nagoya is a city that is completely unremarkable in every way. This
> > condition has worsened since those really old twins died.
>
> How well do you know Nagoya, Kevin?
*clap*clap* for kishimen and the World Design Expo Pavilion.
If you can show me the error of my opinion, I am more than willing to
confess "not well enough". Remember, you can't count those twins anymore.
> Didn't you spend most of your time in
> bum-fucked BSE land?
Is Nagoya worrying about what BSE thinks of it?
> --
> Regards,
> Ryan Ginstrom
- Kevin
Scott Reynolds
> But throw Nagoya in the mix. Never lived there, but really would like
> to.
I'd be curious to know why. After all, Nagoya has the popular image of
being the, um, Nagoya of Japan.
;-) <== for the humor impaired
--
_______________________________________________________________
Scott Reynolds s...@gol.com
Scott Reynolds
> Why? It looks like a cesspool from the window of the shinkansen enroute
> to beautiful Kyoto.
Beautiful Kyoto?! This is meant to be a joke, right?
rose
Kevin Gowen wrote:
>
> "Ryan Ginstrom" <ryangi...@hotmail.com> wrote :
> > How well do you know Nagoya, Kevin?
>
> *clap*clap* for kishimen and the World Design Expo Pavilion.
I have heard Nagoya people like heavy stuff.
and they also like golden stuff.
□■ <:３ ）～
■楽猫 <:３ ）～
Kaz Tanaka
But, it seems many accept that the tokyo dialect as the standard, as a
trend.
>
> (Don't know why I feel like opening this topic again.)
No worry to mention that. The dialect(standard) issue is my lifetime
issue and also for every Osakan.
>
> John W.
Kaz Tanaka
> tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote in message news:<5d25bf2e.02030...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > Basically Osakan tongue is common in the whole region of Kansai
>
> Sounds kinda oishii. Do we grill it or skewer?
Wow, those Samurai barbarians of Mikawa are trying to eat us.
Scott Reynolds
> I have heard Nagoya people like heavy stuff.
> and they also like golden stuff.
I have heard they like curry udon with rice.
Scott Reynolds
Just your tongues. (And maybe you livers, but I'm not sure on that one.)
Ernest Schaal
Normally, I would assume that, even in the absence of smilies, you
were ribbing me, but your previous messages indicate you are incapable
of irony.
I don't know which would be more pathetic: (1) if you were kidding,
but are completely incapable of pulling off humor, or (2) if you were
not kidding, and are simply delusional. B-)
Ernest Schaal
BSE land?
Michael Cash
cooed:
Cow country.
--
Michael Cash
"He who wears orthopedic shoes always stands corrected."
Dr. Floyd Lawson
Mount Pilot College
Student Health Center
Kevin Gowen
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> Omar Abdullah wrote:
>
>
> > Why? It looks like a cesspool from the window of the shinkansen enroute
> > to beautiful Kyoto.
>
> Beautiful Kyoto?! This is meant to be a joke, right?
Maybe he really loves concrete.
>
> --
> _______________________________________________________________
> Scott Reynolds s...@gol.com
- Kevin
Collin McCulley
"Scott Reynolds" <s...@gol.com> wrote in message news:3C886833...@gol.com...
> Kaz Tanaka wrote:
> > declan...@hotmail.com (Declan Murphy) wrote in message news:<7506e9b6.02030...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> >>tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote in message news:<5d25bf2e.02030...@posting.google.com>...
> >>
> >>
> >>>Basically Osakan tongue is common in the whole region of Kansai
> >>
> >>Sounds kinda oishii. Do we grill it or skewer?
> >
> > Wow, those Samurai barbarians of Mikawa are trying to eat us.
>
> Just your tongues. (And maybe you livers, but I'm not sure on that one.)
But what are your chances of getting fava beans and a
nice Chianti in Japan?
--Collin
Kevin Gowen
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> "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Ernest Schaal" <esc...@justice.com> wrote in message
> > news:cd9d8d4b.02030...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:<a68ftj$coice$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de>...
> > >
> > > > Yes, they are, just like Tokyoese and Osakan are dramatically
> > > > different to the point of being unintelligible.
> > >
> > > If this were true, then televisions dramas would have to have
> > > different versions of their dramas. Instead, the programs have not
> > > only the Tokyo and Osaka dialects, but also the Fukuoka dialect, with
> > > the viewers being able to understand them all.
> >
> > That is why the TVs in Japan all have SAP, which allows them to hear
> > dubbing in the different Japanese languages.
>
> Normally, I would assume that, even in the absence of smilies, you
> were ribbing me, but your previous messages indicate you are incapable
> of irony.
In general, not a big smiley fan. Too cutesy.
> I don't know which would be more pathetic: (1) if you were kidding,
> but are completely incapable of pulling off humor, or (2) if you were
> not kidding, and are simply delusional. B-)
Pick one, and we'll go from there.
- Kevin
Kevin Gowen
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> On 8 Mar 2002 01:56:02 -0800, esc...@justice.com (Ernest Schaal)
> cooed:
>
> >"Ryan Ginstrom" <ryangi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<a69ah3$470$1...@news.medias.ne.jp>...
> >> "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:a697hn$cn2s0$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de...
> >> > Nagoya is a city that is completely unremarkable in every way. This
> >> > condition has worsened since those really old twins died.
> >>
> >> How well do you know Nagoya, Kevin? Didn't you spend most of your time
in
> >> bum-fucked BSE land?
> >
> >BSE land?
>
> Cow country.
*Special* cow country. When the wind was just right, I could savor the
thunderous aroma of the Matsusaka crap from my apartment.
- Kevin
John W.
> John W. wrote:
>
>
> > But throw Nagoya in the mix. Never lived there, but really would like
> > to.
>
> I'd be curious to know why. After all, Nagoya has the popular image of
> being the, um, Nagoya of Japan.
>
> ;-) <== for the humor impaired
Most of the Japanese I know have absolutely no desire to go to Nagoya.
But you have to bear in mind I like outdoor sports, and I believe I'd
like Nagoya for pretty much the same reason I like Kobe/Osaka/Himeji:
very easy access to some really nice places to play.
Besides, I lived (very briefly) in Tokyo and lived in Himeji/Kobe
(worked in Osaka, didn't actually live there). There are only two
other metropolitan areas I'd like to live in: Okayama and Nagoya.
Never will, of course. But would like to.
John W.
John W.
> Omar Abdullah wrote:
>
>
> > Why? It looks like a cesspool from the window of the shinkansen enroute
> > to beautiful Kyoto.
>
> Beautiful Kyoto?! This is meant to be a joke, right?
It's always amazed me that people are so fascinated with Kyoto. There
are some pretty things to see in Kyoto (thought Kiyomizudera was
cool), but in my experience there are more pretty places in the Kansai
area. Expanded to include all of Japan, I liked Kamakura a lot; never
been to Nikko, though I've heard it's nice.
John W.
John W.
> John W. <worth...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > But throw Nagoya in the mix. Never lived there, but really would like
> > to.
>
> Why? It looks like a cesspool from the window of the shinkansen enroute
> to beautiful Kyoto.
Yeah, but so does Kyoto. The Shinkansen only goes through a corner.
Besides, I'm referring to the greater metropolitan area, not any
particular part.
> Heard there are a lot of cheap sex clubs though, if
> you're into that sorta thing. :-)
Nah, they won't let foreigners in... at least... that's what I
heard... from a friend....
John W.
Kevin Gowen
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Not all of them do. You just have to ask around. Talk to a few 客引き.
> John W.
- Kevin
Kevin Gowen
Kerr's _Dogs and Demons_ gives a fairly substantial treatment of the
crapification of Kyoto.
> John W.
- Kevin
Ernest Schaal
kevin...@hotmail.com wrote on 3/8/02 11:34 PM:
> "Ernest Schaal" <esc...@justice.com> wrote in message
> news:cd9d8d4b.02030...@posting.google.com...
>>
>> I don't know which would be more pathetic: (1) if you were kidding,
>> but are completely incapable of pulling off humor, or (2) if you were
>> not kidding, and are simply delusional. B-)
>
> Pick one, and we'll go from there.
I will assume that you are merely someone with a weird humor deficiency
syndrome. They are easier to tolerate than delusional curmudgeons.
Speaking of delusional curmudgeons, it appears that Tanaka Tomoyuki finally
passed the State Bar of California (on his third or fourth attempt?). That
means there is hope for you yet.
Kevin Gowen
news:B8AF5E55.2542%esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp...
> in article a6ai89$cvqsf$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de, Kevin Gowen at
> kevin...@hotmail.com wrote on 3/8/02 11:34 PM:
>
> > "Ernest Schaal" <esc...@justice.com> wrote in message
> > news:cd9d8d4b.02030...@posting.google.com...
> >>
> >> I don't know which would be more pathetic: (1) if you were kidding,
> >> but are completely incapable of pulling off humor, or (2) if you were
> >> not kidding, and are simply delusional. B-)
> >
> > Pick one, and we'll go from there.
>
> I will assume that you are merely someone with a weird humor deficiency
> syndrome. They are easier to tolerate than delusional curmudgeons.
Scott will tell you just how funny I am, if you're real nice to him. If not,
Cindy will.
> Speaking of delusional curmudgeons, it appears that Tanaka Tomoyuki
finally
> passed the State Bar of California (on his third or fourth attempt?). That
> means there is hope for you yet.
Don't you know? He likes to be called TANAKA-san.
- Kevin
Abdullah Omar
> I've heard and have been told that Osaka is a better city to live in
> because as some people have said here, it is friendlier [...]
Kaz TanaKKKa lives there. He's not exactly known for his friendliness.
Collin McCulley
"Ernest Schaal" <esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp> wrote in message news:B8AF5E55.2542%esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp...
> Speaking of delusional curmudgeons, it appears that Tanaka Tomoyuki finally
> passed the State Bar of California (on his third or fourth attempt?). That
> means there is hope for you yet.
And none whatsoever for California.
--Collin
Ernest Schaal
> "Ernest Schaal" <esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp> wrote in message
> news:B8AF5E55.2542%esc...@max.hi-ho.ne.jp...
> > Speaking of delusional curmudgeons, it appears that Tanaka
> > Tomoyuki finally passed the State Bar of California (on his third
> > or fourth attempt?). That means there is hope for you yet.
>
> Don't you know? He likes to be called TANAKA-san.
Didn't he complain when gaijin called him Tanaka-san because they were
being sarcastic? As I remember it, he preferred MR. Tanaka.
Michael Cash
cooed:
>
>Didn't he complain when gaijin
Any question about TT and starting with those words is automatically
answered in the affirmative.
Scott Reynolds
How about Mr. Tomoyuki?
Scott Reynolds
Out in Mikawa? It might be tough.
They'll just have to settle for Kewpie mayonnaise and a Diet Pepsi.
Kaz Tanaka
> "TT" <ouo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<qBHh8.586$bJ4.2...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>...
> > Quality of life is incalculatably better in Osaka. Its cheaper, cleaner, the
> > people are miles friendlier, you can be in the countryside in 15 min and the
> > sea's 30min away.
> >
> Yep. And every foreigner I know who has lived in Tokyo and Kansai all
> prefer Kansai. But that's hardly scientific; I've only known about
> four people (not counting my short Tokyo stint) who've lived any
> considerable time in both places.
>
> But throw Nagoya in the mix. Never lived there, but really would like
> to.
Why are people still trying to stick with Tokyo?
Japan's New Insider Speaks Up for the Outsiders
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/08/international/asia/08JAPA.html
"Many came from leaders of Japan's 600,000 ethnic Koreans, a group
that Mr. Tsurunen has cultivated in recent years".
The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
region. They are typical Osakans.
"If they want to rent a house, even in Tokyo, or get a job in a big
firm, and they realize they are foreigners, they are very often
rejected. There is a lot of discrimination in employment and in
renting houses."
Well, not merely 'even' in Tokyo, but 'due to' Tokyo, because of
Tokyo....
Tokyo is merely an ethnocentric city. No Osakan ever likes it I guess.
"Although he says he has not received any recent harassment from
Japan's nationalist right wing, he says he senses that with Japan's
economic decline the ruling Liberal Democratic Party is becoming
increasingly nationalistic".
Surely our tokyo-japs are following the ultra-nationalist Ishihara of
the governor of Tokyo.
March 8, 2002
YUGAWARAMACHI JOURNAL
Japan's New Insider Speaks Up for the Outsiders
By JAMES BROOKE
UGAWARAMACHI, Japan ・The sound of the Pacific surf wafts up the
hill, over the roofs of a Buddhist temple, through the terraced
cemetery, and into the sunlit study of Japan's newest senator. But it
is not enough to wash away memories of what he remembers as "the
shouting and shooting" long ago in Finland.
Toward the end of World War II, when fathers were away in the army,
Soviet guerrillas crossed the border and moved into the snowbound
village of Jaakonvaara. The Russians killed all the mothers and
children, sparing only the Turunen family because their house was
behind a grove of trees.
Half a century later, the 4-year-old boy missed in the massacre is now
a 61-year-old pacifist with an engaging smile and a seat in Japan's
Parliament ・the first Western member of the legislature.
After arriving in Japan 35 years ago from Finland as a Lutheran lay
missionary, Mr. Tsurunen divorced his Finnish wife and cast his lot
with Japan. When he married a Japanese woman he discovered the
barriers that existed at that time for foreigners trying to open bank
accounts or rent property.
In 1979, he won Japanese citizenship after he surmounted major
hurdles, including a 50-page essay in Japanese for immigration
authorities, who also inspected his house to verify that he was living
in a traditional Japanese way.
Stuart Isett/Gamma, for The New York Times
Finnish-born Marutei Tsurunen, a naturalized Japanese citizen since
1979, is the first Westerner to hold a seat in the Japanese
Parliament.
Complying with the law of the time, he "Japanesed" his name, changing
Turunen to Tsurunen by adopting the word "tsuru," or crane, drawing on
a well-known folk tale about a rescued crane who displays gratitude to
his savior.
On the national stage for the first time, this self-described
"blue-eyed Japanese" wants to promote intercultural tolerance and laws
banning discrimination in housing and employment.
"I always believed this was my duty, or mission, to serve Japan, so I
didn't want to give up," Marutei Tsurunen said in an interview,
recalling his four failed attempts to win election to the Parliament.
In 1992, Mr. Tsurunen became the country's first Westerner to serve as
a city assemblyman.
He was unexpectedly elevated to Parliament when a lawmaker from his
opposition party, the Democratic Party, resigned his seat, making way
for Mr. Tsurunen, the runner-up in last July's election.
A few days after he got the news, his house here was filled with
congratulatory bouquets of flowers from supporters.
Many came from leaders of Japan's 600,000 ethnic Koreans, a group that
Mr. Tsurunen has cultivated in recent years.
"After I lost last year, they said, `Please try again and be sure to
get there, you can be our national spokesman,' " he said in accented
English. "If they want to rent a house, even in Tokyo, or get a job in
a big firm, and they realize they are foreigners, they are very often
rejected. There is a lot of discrimination in employment and in
renting houses."
In addition to pushing for antidiscrimination legislation, he wants to
allow foreigners who are permanent residents to vote in local
elections, something that has spread through Scandinavia in recent
years.
Until five years ago, Mr. Tsurunen ran an English school in his two-
story home here. Now he wants to ease the entry of foreign children
into Japanese society through promotion and appreciation of foreign
cultures and languages in schools where there are large minority
populations of Brazilian, Peruvian, Korean and Chinese students.
The old school sign, still atop his roof, shows his personal vision:
around a globe, bound together by the word "ENGLISH," are seated a
group of happy children: an African, a Japanese, an American and a
Scandinavian.
In reality, Japan's pressure to conform can be crushing. The last
Parliament member who was not ethnically Japanese was a Japanese
citizen of Korean origin who presented himself to the public as
Japanese. Facing arrest in 1998 on an insider trading charge, he
committed suicide.
"He pretended to be Japanese," Mr. Tsurunen said. "I can't hide.
Everyone knows I am an ex-foreigner."
Although studiously Japanese, down to his curt bow, Mr. Tsurunen, an
avid recycler, let slip his slightly divided loyalties when shown a
world "sustainability index" that ranked Japan in 62nd place, and
Finland in first place. "See," he exclaimed with a grin, "we have a
lot to learn from Finland on environment."
In Parliament, he says he will bring "an outsider's look to the
inside." Last July, he openly campaigned to represent the 1.3 million
foreigners living in Japan, about 1 percent of the population. With
Japanese birthrates falling below replacement levels, the United
Nations has estimated that Japan needs to import 600,000 workers a
year to maintain its standard of living.
"Japanese are not ready to accept a lot of immigration, but after 10
to 20 years our population will go down," Mr. Tsurunen said. "We will
need a lot of workers here to keep businesses going."
Although he says he has not received any recent harassment from
Japan's nationalist right wing, he says he senses that with Japan's
economic decline the ruling Liberal Democratic Party is becoming
increasingly nationalistic.
Reflecting this mood, recent newspaper headlines include "Keep Japan
Safe From Illegals" and "Crimes by Foreign Gangsters Spreading to
Local Areas."
To Mr. Tsurunen, Japan's path to the future is through neutralism and
dialogue. "To support the American forces, I am opposed," he said,
putting verbs at the end of sentences, Japanese style. "To send our
forces to help the refugees, the victims of the conflict, we must do
that."
Kaz Tanaka
no no, those samurai barbarians are trying to taste my tongue with
Azuki beans and Shochu.
Kaz Tanaka
> "In reality, Japan's pressure to conform can be crushing. The last
> Parliament member who was not ethnically Japanese was a Japanese
> citizen of Korean origin who presented himself to the public as
> Japanese. Facing arrest in 1998 on an insider trading charge, he
> committed suicide".
Kaminarikun, did you get that? The second senator was surely refering
to Mr. Arai Shokei of Osaka, who had committed suicide enigmatically.
I believe Mr. Arai had surely fallen into a snare that those
tokyo-japs had layed. Those who hate Osakans of the continental
descendants. The snare that accusing him of the suspicious trumped-up
"insider trading charge".
Kevin Gowen
news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
> The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
> region. They are typical Osakans.
I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans. Have you
ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
- Kevin
Ernest Schaal
3/9/02 5:24 PM:
> Ernest Schaal wrote:
>> "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:<a6bcnu$daau3$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de>...
>>
>>> Don't you know? He likes to be called TANAKA-san.
>>
>> Didn't he complain when gaijin called him Tanaka-san because they were
>> being sarcastic? As I remember it, he preferred MR. Tanaka.
>
> How about Mr. Tomoyuki?
He would have complained that using the first name would be sarcastic and
not showing him the proper respect.
John W.
If I'm not mistaken, the part of Kobe that suffered the worst after the
earthquake -- the west side -- was largely populated by Koreans and
burakumin. There have been several conspiracy theories about this, and I'm
inclined to attribute a grain of truth.
John W.
Kevin Gowen
Could be. The way the aftermath of the earthquake was handled is an ode to
incompetence.
> John W.
- Kevin
Kaz Tanaka
> "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message
> news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
>
> > The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
> > region. They are typical Osakans.
>
> I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans.
Are you trying to delude people that Osaka is also the ethnocentric
city as Tokyo?
There maybe some assholes, but how could Osaka, the city which had
been the entrance city opening for new comers from the continent since
ancient times ever refuse them? Do you know the culture of Shitennouji
Temple? The pagoda of Shitennouji that originally built in the 6th
century was/is the symbolic thing to welcome new comers.
See the festival "Shitennouji Wasso". The festival wasn't held last
year due to the Korean-Osakan bank crisis, however, this festival is
one of the major festivals of Osaka city such as "Tenjin Matsuri".
http://www1-1.kcn.ne.jp/%7Ewasso/
Sorry, it's not in English.
> Have you
> ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
In Osaka, wherever you go, it's like "the Korean part of Osaka". I
guess you refer to Kyobashi, Ikuno region, but the region is not the
only one.
Approx. half of the entire ethnic Koreans in Japan are residing in
Kinai region. Over 70% of the entire ethnic Koreans are residing in
the western part of Japan, mostly in the inside sea region. Many of
them had already naturalized to Japanese citizens, but the percentage
of ethnic Koreans and Korean-Kinai-ers is still exclusively high in
Kinai region. Especially in Osaka-Kobe region. Those towns in the
Osaka-Kobe region are same as "the Korean part of Osaka" as you call.
Many of my neighbors are ethnic Koreans or Korean-Japanese. If we
count those who came in the ancient times, I guess almost every
Kinai-folk is
the Korean or the continental descendants.
dai...@earthlink.net
tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote:
> "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<a6dkc2$dhfer$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de>...
> > "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message
> > news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
> > > region. They are typical Osakans.
> >
> > I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans.
>
> Are you trying to delude people that Osaka is also the ethnocentric
> city as Tokyo?
You are too lenient to Korean criminal rioters. Their latest criminal
activities involve threatening the local education boards to stop
teaching the true history of Japan. Most of board members feared that
once they adopted Tsukuru Kai's textbook, they would be targeted for
assassination just like what happened during the Great Earthquake of
1923 when they rioted like mad cows.
> > Have you
> > ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
>
> In Osaka, wherever you go, it's like "the Korean part of Osaka". I
> guess you refer to Kyobashi, Ikuno region, but the region is not the
> only one.
Most of them came to Japan during 4th century when Yamato Court ruled
over Mimana where the imperial power flourished from Korean slave labors.
They were eventually put into burakus much like American Indian territories,
the difference being that those Koreans weren't native to Japan unlike
native Indians in US, but were still well received by Yamato Court.
Today Koreans are forgetting about generosity of Yamato Court and
complaining about Hideyoshi like mad cows despite the fact that it was
Koreans who invaded Japan in the 13th century. They are worthy of being
labeled as Axis of Evil by President Bush of the United States.
DH
Kaz Tanaka
>
> > "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message
> > news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > > The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
> > > region. They are typical Osakans.
> >
> > I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans. Have you
> > ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
> >
>
> If I'm not mistaken, the part of Kobe that suffered the worst after the
> earthquake -- the west side -- was largely populated by Koreans and
> burakumin.
The region you refer to is called Nagata and Suma ward. It is true that the
region is more populated by Koreans residents than the average Osaka-Kobe
region. There are also a lot of Vietnamese and Brazilians. But it is not
related to the cause of earthquake, or the cause of the worse damage. The
only cause that there had the worse damages is because of that there is
close to the seismic center.
> There have been several conspiracy theories about this, and I'm
> inclined to attribute a grain of truth.
What's the conspiracy theories?
Anywhere between Nisinomiya and Kobe, is more likely the newly developped
region after the railways were layed. The only classic towns are Hyogo and
some sake brewery towns. But originally, because of the huge mountain and
the less farmland, only a few farmers were residing in the region. And the
more Tenryu Hachibushu that is the original name of Burakumin in the period
that there was no discrimination against them. The discrimination was
started from the Edo period when the tokyo-japs conquered us. Anyway, every
region of Settsu(Osaka-Kobe) is Burakumin region. The reason why Nagata and
Suma region appears as more apparent Burakumin region is because there was
left behind by Tokugawa shogunate domination, and the tokyo imperial regime.
Declan Murphy
> Out in Mikawa? It might be tough.
>
> They'll just have to settle for Kewpie mayonnaise and a Diet Pepsi.
Mikawa's a pretty good area for "foodies" actually, this part of it at
least. A lot of good restaurants around, though you need a car to get
to and enjoy the best ones. I've actually been working on a "good food
guide" website for about 8 months now. Chianti and fava beans? no
problem Collin.
Went to a excellent kaiseki place tonight. Around 13,000 per head but
great food, plenty of space and a bit of luxury in the teahouse in the
garden afterwards.
The best thing I like about dining in Okazaki is that there is usually
plenty of space, comfort and privacy - essential ingredients often
missing when I dine in Tokyo and Kyoto with my elbows bumping up
against the occupants of the next table. The prices for good quality
restaurants are about the same, but the space, comfort & privacy seems
to be a well kept secret. But without these sometimes even excellent
food can be part of a dining experience that is poor overall. A
situation similar to having a good chef's efforts ruined by a poor
waiter.
Scott Reynolds
But Tomoyuki is his second name.
Kaz Tanaka
> In article <5d25bf2e.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote:
>
> > "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<a6dkc2$dhfer$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de>...
> > > "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message
> > > news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > > The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
> > > > region. They are typical Osakans.
> > >
> > > I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans.
> >
> > Are you trying to delude people that Osaka is also the ethnocentric
> > city as Tokyo?
>
First of all, what kind of drug is this tokyo-jap, Daitaro Hagihara
dosing to get these delusions? Anybody has any idea? Maybe too much
eating of rotten Natto that tokyo-japs love to eat drives him this
way?
ah, I had been forgeting for a little while that every tokyo-jap is
like you.
> You are too lenient to Korean criminal rioters.
Who is the Korean criminal rioters? I have seen many criminal
tokyo-jap terorists but have never seen any Korean rioter. You really
sound like the criminal treating innocent Koreans as rioters.
> Their latest criminal
> activities involve threatening the local education boards to stop
> teaching the true history of Japan.
No, Koreans were requesting tokyo-japs not to teach the false,
distorted historical matters. Koreans were claiming to tokyo-japs to
teach kids the true history of Japan. The criminal activities were the
brutal activities of racist tokyo-japs like you that threatening those
Korean protesters.
> Most of board members feared that
> once they adopted Tsukuru Kai's textbook, they would be targeted for
> assassination just like what happened during the Great Earthquake of
> 1923 when they rioted like mad cows.
No, Koreans had never rioted, never even tried to riot. But the brutal
and inhumane tokyo-japs of tokyo, like you or the governor Ishihara of
tokyo cooked up a story then lynched innocent Koreans as scapegoats,
for venting the pent-up frustration of tokyo-supremacists who act like
the pseudo-westerners.
>
> > > Have you
> > > ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
> >
> > In Osaka, wherever you go, it's like "the Korean part of Osaka". I
> > guess you refer to Kyobashi, Ikuno region, but the region is not the
> > only one.
>
> Most of them came to Japan during 4th century when Yamato Court ruled
> over Mimana where the imperial power flourished from Korean slave labors.
Is that why tokyo-japs insist that every Osakan is Korean descendants,
Burakumims, and then despise, cheat, maltreat us? No matter what you
say, you Jomon-tokyo-japs were/are the "Hun-blood" primitives in the
4th century.
> They were eventually put into burakus much like American Indian territories,
Ahahaha! those indigenous Americans are the same "Hun-blood"
mongoloids as Jomon-tokyo-japs.
> the difference being that those Koreans weren't native to Japan unlike
> native Indians in US, but were still well received by Yamato Court.
We should follow what Europeans have done to those "Hun-blood"
indigenous Americans. And then we should isolate our barbaric
"Hun-blood mongoloids" that are called "tokyo-japs" in a reservation
camp in Hokkaido or Tohoku. Maybe it's better to send them to America
for putting them into the same reservation.
Of course the Yamato Court treated Koreans well since they are
civilized folks. And of course, the Yamato Court treated those
Ezo-Jomon-tokyo-japs badly because you are barbarians.
> Today Koreans are forgetting about generosity of Yamato Court and
> complaining about Hideyoshi like mad cows despite the fact that it was
> Koreans who invaded Japan in the 13th century.
No, Koreans are not forgetting. You tokyo-japs and those brutal,
barbaric and inhumane tokyo-samurais such as Hideyoshi, Ieyasu are not
only hated by Koreans but also detested by Kinai folks too.
> They are worthy of being
> labeled as Axis of Evil by President Bush of the United States.
Again those north Koreans are the same Mongoloids as the tokyo-japs of
the real Axis of Evil.
Kaminarikun
If he was then obviously Arai would not have been Japan's first "foreign
born"
parliamentarian since he was born in Japan.
Collin McCulley
"Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7506e9b6.02031...@posting.google.com...
> Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote in message news:<3C89C74C...@gol.com>...
> > Out in Mikawa? It might be tough.
> >
> > They'll just have to settle for Kewpie mayonnaise and a Diet Pepsi.
>
> Mikawa's a pretty good area for "foodies" actually, this part of it at
> least. A lot of good restaurants around, though you need a car to get
> to and enjoy the best ones. I've actually been working on a "good food
> guide" website for about 8 months now. Chianti and fava beans? no
> problem Collin.
>
You know I was kidding, right? I don't really think
the country that spawned "Iron Chef" would have too
many problems getting these things. ;-)
Anyway, post or send me that link if you would
(when you get it online). Can't do much more than
drool over it from here, though, unfortunately...
--Collin
Daitaro Hagihara
tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote:
>Psycho-tokyo-jap Daitaro Hagihara wrote in message
news:<daiyanh-1003...@sdn-ar-001nyhempp200.dialsprint.net>...
>> In article <5d25bf2e.02030...@posting.google.com>,
>> tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote:
>>
>> > "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:<a6dkc2$dhfer$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de>...
>> > > "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
>> > >
>> > > > The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
>> > > > region. They are typical Osakans.
>> > >
>> > > I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans.
>> >
>> > Are you trying to delude people that Osaka is also the ethnocentric
>> > city as Tokyo?
>>
>
>First of all, what kind of drug is this tokyo-jap, Daitaro Hagihara
>dosing to get these delusions? Anybody has any idea? Maybe too much
>eating of rotten Natto that tokyo-japs love to eat drives him this
>way?
You must be ignorant if you don't know that natto is one of
oldest biotechnological delicacies along with beer and wine.
It's far more healthier source of proteins than dogs and cats
that Koreans devour which caused the fast decline of Mongol
empire from virus infections. Ever wondered why so many
soy foods are becoming popular these days, from soy yogurt to
soy milk? You may wish that the same can be said of dog and
cat milk :)
>ah, I had been forgeting for a little while that every tokyo-jap is
>like you.
I'm from Koshi-en, dumb ass.
>> You are too lenient to Korean criminal rioters.
>
>Who is the Korean criminal rioters? I have seen many criminal
>tokyo-jap terorists but have never seen any Korean rioter. You really
>sound like the criminal treating innocent Koreans as rioters.
Did you forget that Prime Minister Ito was assassinated by
Korean criminal rioters? But to you, they are innocents.
Oh well...
>> Their latest criminal
>> activities involve threatening the local education boards to stop
>> teaching the true history of Japan.
>
>No, Koreans were requesting tokyo-japs not to teach the false,
>distorted historical matters. Koreans were claiming to tokyo-japs to
>teach kids the true history of Japan. The criminal activities were the
>brutal activities of racist tokyo-japs like you that threatening those
>Korean protesters.
Read Dec 2001 issue of Bungei Shunju to fill the voids in
your brain.
>> Most of board members feared that
>> once they adopted Tsukuru Kai's textbook, they would be targeted for
>> assassination just like what happened during the Great Earthquake of
>> 1923 when they rioted like mad cows.
>
>No, Koreans had never rioted, never even tried to riot.
Liar. Following 7th century collapse of Paekche empire, Korean
criminal rioters in northern Kyushu rioted against Yamato Court.
Riots in the breeding ground of criminals in Senju were too
numerous to mention.
> But the brutal
>and inhumane tokyo-japs of tokyo, like you or the governor Ishihara of
>tokyo cooked up a story then lynched innocent Koreans as scapegoats,
>for venting the pent-up frustration of tokyo-supremacists who act like
>the pseudo-westerners.
Listen to your own words, and see who fits that description.
And cooking up a story? Hehe... The execution of 1900 Peace
Preservation Laws was perfectly legal to suppress Korean criminal
rioters after the quake. There isn't much of a story to cook up
with.
>>
>> > > Have you
>> > > ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
>> >
>> > In Osaka, wherever you go, it's like "the Korean part of Osaka". I
>> > guess you refer to Kyobashi, Ikuno region, but the region is not the
>> > only one.
>>
>> Most of them came to Japan during 4th century when Yamato Court ruled
>> over Mimana where the imperial power flourished from Korean slave labors.
>
>Is that why tokyo-japs insist that every Osakan is Korean descendants,
>Burakumims, and then despise, cheat, maltreat us?
Kobe received a huge financial help after the quake. Hanshin
Industrial Area received a great financial as well as legislative
favors in the past decades, not to mention multi-billion dollar
Port Island sham. So, unless you are self-mutilating yourself,
there is no "maltreatment" of west Japan.
> No matter what you
>say, you Jomon-tokyo-japs were/are the "Hun-blood" primitives in the
>4th century.
Japanese are all descended from the single stock of Jomon people
who inhabited the islands for the past 12,000 years. On the other
hand, Koreans came from northern China 2,000 years ago and they
look and speak like Mongol/Tungus. So the real Hun-bloods are
the Koreans, which shouldn't be such a shock given their criminal
tendencies.
>> They were eventually put into burakus much like American Indian territories,
>
>Ahahaha! those indigenous Americans are the same "Hun-blood"
>mongoloids as Jomon-tokyo-japs.
Koreans were put in the burakus. It's time for you to stop
listening to false history propagandas. But what the heck.
Your brain may not be able to handle the truths.
>> the difference being that those Koreans weren't native to Japan unlike
>> native Indians in US, but were still well received by Yamato Court.
>
>We should follow what Europeans have done to those "Hun-blood"
>indigenous Americans. And then we should isolate our barbaric
>"Hun-blood mongoloids" that are called "tokyo-japs" in a reservation
>camp in Hokkaido or Tohoku. Maybe it's better to send them to America
>for putting them into the same reservation.
>Of course the Yamato Court treated Koreans well since they are
>civilized folks. And of course, the Yamato Court treated those
>Ezo-Jomon-tokyo-japs badly because you are barbarians.
Are you saying that America is so big that letting in extra few
million Korean criminal rioters won't hurt? That's exactly what
US had been doing before the Exclusion Act of 1924, which coincided
with the beginning of the decline of Japanese economy as Korean
criminal rioters proliferated in Japan. Also, Ezo people were
"recruited" by the Court to combat against Korean criminal rioters
both within and abroad ever since 4th century because they were so
courageous and brave. That was the main reason why Fujiwara family
was able to control the Court since they controlled east Japan where
Ezo people lived. Then Samurais arose on the base of Ezo people's
support to combat against Korean criminal rioters. A case in point:
Iki clan of northern Kyushu descended from Fujiwara family who moved
from east Japan along with Ezo warriors. Iki's bravery was one of
main reasons why Japan was able to repel Korean/Mongol invasions in
the 13-14th centuries.
>> Today Koreans are forgetting about generosity of Yamato Court and
>> complaining about Hideyoshi like mad cows despite the fact that it was
>> Koreans who invaded Japan in the 13th century.
>
>No, Koreans are not forgetting. You tokyo-japs and those brutal,
>barbaric and inhumane tokyo-samurais such as Hideyoshi, Ieyasu are not
>only hated by Koreans but also detested by Kinai folks too.
It's called conveniently forgetful, a tactic used by liars and
pretenders which Koreans are.
>> They are worthy of being
>> labeled as Axis of Evil by President Bush of the United States.
>
>Again those north Koreans are the same Mongoloids as the tokyo-japs of
>the real Axis of Evil.
North, South...What difference does it make? They are one and the
same Korean criminal rioters: the Axis of Evil as appropriately
named as they can be by the President Bush of the United States.
DH
Michael Cash
Hagihara) cooed:
>Did you forget that Prime Minister Ito was assassinated by
>Korean criminal rioters? But to you, they are innocents.
>Oh well...
>
Is that the same case where about 105 or 106 people were tried and
found guilty? And where 99 of them had their convictions overturned by
the appellate court? Or am I thinking of some other long-ago
assassination?
Ernest Schaal
> Ernest Schaal wrote:
> > in article 3C89C6AB...@gol.com, Scott Reynolds at s...@gol.com wrote on
> > 3/9/02 5:24 PM:
>
> > not showing him the proper respect.
>
> But Tomoyuki is his second name.
In the States, it is his first name, and the last time I heard he was
still in the States. (You wouldn't be trolling, would you?)
Kevin Gowen
Scott is the worst troll in the history of the Japan-related newsgroups.
- Kevin
John W.
> "John W." <worth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3C8AD101...@yahoo.com>...
> > Kevin Gowen wrote:
> >
> > > "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message
> > > news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
> > >
> > > > The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
> > > > region. They are typical Osakans.
> > >
> > > I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans. Have you
> > > ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
> > >
> >
> > If I'm not mistaken, the part of Kobe that suffered the worst after the
> > earthquake -- the west side -- was largely populated by Koreans and
> > burakumin.
>
> The region you refer to is called Nagata and Suma ward. It is true that the
> region is more populated by Koreans residents than the average Osaka-Kobe
> region. There are also a lot of Vietnamese and Brazilians. But it is not
> related to the cause of earthquake, or the cause of the worse damage. The
> only cause that there had the worse damages is because of that there is
> close to the seismic center.
>
Well, I never meant to imply that the Koreans *caused* the earthquake. However, it is
widely accepted that those regions were so heavily damaged for a couple of reasons. One,
the houses were built on back fill, as was much of that part of Kobe (more or less below
the JR tracks, as I understand, is the approximate dividing line between areas that were
built on solid earth and those that were built on sand/dirt hauled in as filler). The
second, which is more pertinent here, is that the houses were packed together, and where
they weren't the worksmanship was fairly shoddy. The houses and buildings just...
collapsed. Freaky to see. And then they burned. With people still there. I knew a fair
number of the Koreans there; don't know them any more.
>
> > There have been several conspiracy theories about this, and I'm
> > inclined to attribute a grain of truth.
>
> What's the conspiracy theories?
That the reason the fires so devastated that area of Kobe, which was on the fringe and
fairly accessible by any emergency crews coming from the West and Northwest, is that the
crews were diverted to 'other' areas first. There were fires in Chuo-ku as well; I saw
them. There were fires in Oji. But Nagata was more or less completely destroyed.
John W.
Kaz Tanaka
> In article <5d25bf2e.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote:
>
> >Psycho-tokyo-jap Daitaro Hagihara wrote in message
> news:<daiyanh-1003...@sdn-ar-001nyhempp200.dialsprint.net>...
> >> In article <5d25bf2e.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> >> tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Kevin Gowen" <kevin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<a6dkc2$dhfer$1...@ID-105084.news.dfncis.de>...
> >> > > "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:5d25bf2e.0203...@posting.google.com...
> >> > >
> >> > > > The most of those 600,000 ethnic Koreans are residing in the Osaka
> >> > > > region. They are typical Osakans.
> >> > >
> >> > > I don't know if I would say that Osaka has embraced the Koreans.
> >> >
> >> > Are you trying to delude people that Osaka is also the ethnocentric
> >> > city as Tokyo?
> >>
> >
> >First of all, what kind of drug is this tokyo-jap, Daitaro Hagihara
> >dosing to get these delusions? Anybody has any idea? Maybe too much
> >eating of rotten Natto that tokyo-japs love to eat drives him this
> >way?
>
> You must be ignorant if you don't know that natto is one of
> oldest biotechnological delicacies along with beer and wine.
Hahaha, It's merely a undeveloped, immature, primitive food of
barbarians.
> It's far more healthier source of proteins than dogs and cats
> that Koreans devour which caused the fast decline of Mongol
> empire from virus infections.
Plant protein doesn't build body and brain, Is that why all those
tokyo-japs like you are the "sub-standard human"?
> Ever wondered why so many
> soy foods are becoming popular these days, from soy yogurt to
> soy milk? You may wish that the same can be said of dog and
> cat milk :)
>
>
> >ah, I had been forgeting for a little while that every tokyo-jap is
> >like you.
>
> I'm from Koshi-en, dumb ass.
So you are stupidly proving you are a tokyo-jap yourself, dumb
ignorant sub-human boy.
The title "tokyo-japs" doesn't only refer to tokyoites. It also refers
to all those agents and companies that belong to tokyo-imperial world.
Koshien and Nisinomiya doesn't belong to Osakan community, not even
Kinai community.
All those huge numbers of Burakumins working in the slaughterhouses
there residing in the huge municipal dwelling houses in Koshien and
Nishinimiya belong to Tokyo imperial regime since the 18th century.
Due to the Tokugawa's direct control, those slaughterhouse peasants of
Koshien and Naruo has became tokyo-jap's cheap slave-class squad.
Don't you know the typical tokyo-jap war criminal Morishige Hisaya is
from there? Don't forget that the fucking ultra-racist Ishihara of
Tokyo governor is also from Suma of Kobe, which is quite similar to
the Koshien slaughterhouse community. Note that those Burakumins are
the imperial family's company in our Kinai society. In the period
before the Edo period, which no discrimination against them was
existed, all those Burakumins were the friend of many members of the
imperial family.
>
>
> >> You are too lenient to Korean criminal rioters.
> >
> >Who is the Korean criminal rioters? I have seen many criminal
> >tokyo-jap terorists but have never seen any Korean rioter. You really
> >sound like the criminal treating innocent Koreans as rioters.
>
> Did you forget that Prime Minister Ito was assassinated by
> Korean criminal rioters? But to you, they are innocents.
> Oh well...
All those Korean descendants and Burakumins are of the same gang. Both
of you are merely family-quarreling each other.
>
>
> >> Their latest criminal
> >> activities involve threatening the local education boards to stop
> >> teaching the true history of Japan.
> >
> >No, Koreans were requesting tokyo-japs not to teach the false,
> >distorted historical matters. Koreans were claiming to tokyo-japs to
> >teach kids the true history of Japan. The criminal activities were the
> >brutal activities of racist tokyo-japs like you that threatening those
> >Korean protesters.
>
> Read Dec 2001 issue of Bungei Shunju to fill the voids in
> your brain.
Oh well, I don't read such radical, ultra-right-wing or
ultra-left-wing junk magazine. No interest at all.
>
>
> >> Most of board members feared that
> >> once they adopted Tsukuru Kai's textbook, they would be targeted for
> >> assassination just like what happened during the Great Earthquake of
> >> 1923 when they rioted like mad cows.
> >
> >No, Koreans had never rioted, never even tried to riot.
>
> Liar. Following 7th century collapse of Paekche empire, Korean
> criminal rioters in northern Kyushu rioted against Yamato Court.
> Riots in the breeding ground of criminals in Senju were too
> numerous to mention.
I recommend you to see a psychiatrist immediately. You are in a huge
delusion.
>
>
> > But the brutal
> >and inhumane tokyo-japs of tokyo, like you or the governor Ishihara of
> >tokyo cooked up a story then lynched innocent Koreans as scapegoats,
> >for venting the pent-up frustration of tokyo-supremacists who act like
> >the pseudo-westerners.
>
> Listen to your own words, and see who fits that description.
> And cooking up a story? Hehe... The execution of 1900 Peace
> Preservation Laws was perfectly legal to suppress Korean criminal
> rioters after the quake. There isn't much of a story to cook up
> with.
No Koreans ever tried to riot. Those tokyo-japs who have sub-standard
brain stupidly daydreamed a delusion.
>
>
> >>
> >> > > Have you
> >> > > ever been to the Korean part of Osaka?
> >> >
> >> > In Osaka, wherever you go, it's like "the Korean part of Osaka". I
> >> > guess you refer to Kyobashi, Ikuno region, but the region is not the
> >> > only one.
> >>
> >> Most of them came to Japan during 4th century when Yamato Court ruled
> >> over Mimana where the imperial power flourished from Korean slave labors.
> >
> >Is that why tokyo-japs insist that every Osakan is Korean descendants,
> >Burakumims, and then despise, cheat, maltreat us?
>
> Kobe received a huge financial help after the quake. Hanshin
> Industrial Area received a great financial as well as legislative
> favors in the past decades, not to mention multi-billion dollar
> Port Island sham. So, unless you are self-mutilating yourself,
> there is no "maltreatment" of west Japan.
Those who has received the huge financial aids are limited to the ones
in only Nishinomiya, Ashiya and Kobe that belong to the ugly
tokyo-japs as the cheap agents of them. None of Itami, Amagasaki,
Takaraduka, Kawanishi and Toyonaka that belong to Osakan community
received such huge financial aids.
<have no time to play with this dumb psycho racist tokyo-jap Daitaro Hagihara>
Declan Murphy
> You know I was kidding, right? I don't really think
> the country that spawned "Iron Chef" would have too
> many problems getting these things. ;-)
Reply was mostly for Scott actually, though I know he was kidding too.
But yes everything is available if you know where to look. I'm sure
that even in Tokyo, there are a few "Kewpie mayo and a Pepsi"
desperadoes - particularly amongst recent arrivals.
Sometimes it can be harder to find stuff in regional areas compared to
a gaijin infested metropolis such as Tokyo, though the regional
disadvantage seems to be less than in dormitory towns closer to large
centers. Foreign residents I know in places such as Saitama or Chiba
seem to need to go to Tokyo itself for a lot of things that in Okazaki
are available locally - though that may just be the "know where to
look" thang again.
> Anyway, post or send me that link if you would
> (when you get it online). Can't do much more than
> drool over it from here, though, unfortunately.
At the current rate of progress, its going to be a while. It will end
up on yamasa.org somewhere though.
Declan Murphy
> > You must be ignorant if you don't know that natto is one of
> > oldest biotechnological delicacies along with beer and wine.
>
> Hahaha, It's merely a undeveloped, immature, primitive food of
> barbarians.
So you're not a natto fan?
Not even in my worst nightmares have I dreamt that the Kinai People's
Liberation Front would post something that I *nearly* agree with.
Jaysus thats unsettling.
Michael Cash
<kevin...@hotmail.com> cooed:
"Worst" in this case not meaning "most egregious" but "most
transparent"
Kaz Tanaka
> tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote in message news:<5d25bf2e.02031...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > > You must be ignorant if you don't know that natto is one of
> > > oldest biotechnological delicacies along with beer and wine.
> >
> > Hahaha, It's merely a undeveloped, immature, primitive food of
> > barbarians.
>
> So you're not a natto fan?
How could the civilized folks of Kinai be any fan of those savage's
stuff that is rotten beans stinking so bad? Those natto producers of
tokyo had started selling those stuff in Kinai approx. a decade ago,
but it seems it is still the most common stuff to refuse for Kinai
folks.
>
> Not even in my worst nightmares have I dreamt that the Kinai People's
> Liberation Front would post something that I *nearly* agree with.
It is the worst nightmare to see that a man of the European People's
Liberation Front against America *nearly* did not like natto. Oh well,
there is nothing to do with it since noone besides tokyo-savages ever
like it.
>
> Jaysus thats unsettling.
Dan Rempel
>
> "Declan Murphy" <declan...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7506e9b6.02031...@posting.google.com...
> > Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote in message news:<3C89C74C...@gol.com>...
> > > Out in Mikawa? It might be tough.
> > >
> > > They'll just have to settle for Kewpie mayonnaise and a Diet Pepsi.
> >
> > Mikawa's a pretty good area for "foodies" actually, this part of it at
> > least. A lot of good restaurants around, though you need a car to get
> > to and enjoy the best ones. I've actually been working on a "good food
> > guide" website for about 8 months now. Chianti and fava beans? no
> > problem Collin.
> >
>
> You know I was kidding, right? I don't really think
> the country that spawned "Iron Chef" would have too
> many problems getting these things. ;-)
As a complete change of topic, watched a bit of The Iron Chef USA, or
whatever it's called, last night; truly frightening. Something about the
combination of the intergalactic hambone himself, William Shatner, as
the Chairman, and Pocket Fisherman guy Ron Popeil saying things like "it
don't taste like tuna fish and it don't taste like turkey" that pretty
much cured me of any watching it again.
John W.
> declan...@hotmail.com (Declan Murphy) wrote in message news:<7506e9b6.02031...@posting.google.com>...
> > So you're not a natto fan?
>
> How could the civilized folks of Kinai be any fan of those savage's
> stuff that is rotten beans stinking so bad? Those natto producers of
> tokyo had started selling those stuff in Kinai approx. a decade ago,
> but it seems it is still the most common stuff to refuse for Kinai
> folks.
Actually, my wife says she's been eating natto for as long as she can
remember; she grew up in Kansai.
> >
> > Not even in my worst nightmares have I dreamt that the Kinai People's
> > Liberation Front would post something that I *nearly* agree with.
>
> It is the worst nightmare to see that a man of the European People's
> Liberation Front against America *nearly* did not like natto. Oh well,
> there is nothing to do with it since noone besides tokyo-savages ever
> like it.
I know lots of people who like natto. Pretty much everyone I know in
Japan is born and raised in Kansai, and most eat it. In fact, the only
person I know who doesn't like natto is from Chiba.
John W.
>
> >
> > Jaysus thats unsettling.
Kaz Tanaka
Yes, no one could imagine that any human enables to cause an earthquake.
> However, it is
> widely accepted that those regions were so heavily damaged for a couple of
reasons. One,
> the houses were built on back fill, as was much of that part of Kobe (more
or less below
> the JR tracks, as I understand, is the approximate dividing line between
areas that were
> built on solid earth and those that were built on sand/dirt hauled in as
filler).
There are so many flimsy grounds that were formerly dirt yards in Kobe.
There are only a few solid
grounds there, and those few solid grounds have been already taken by the
earlier pathfinders over
a century ago.
The only lands that were left over for the Koreans who were released after
WW2 were those poor
flimsy lands.
>The
> second, which is more pertinent here, is that the houses were packed
together, and where
> they weren't the worksmanship was fairly shoddy. The houses and buildings
just...
> collapsed. Freaky to see. And then they burned. With people still there. I
knew a fair
> number of the Koreans there; don't know them any more.
Those houses(actually many of them were barracks) built right after WW2, had
not been suiting today's
building code.
Koreans had lost their Japanese citizenship then they could not get good
jobs unless they own their own business.
That took many years to rebuild those shoddy houses to the right ones.
However, many of them even
didn't go well on their business, and stayed in the same way right after the
war.
>
> >
> > > There have been several conspiracy theories about this, and I'm
> > > inclined to attribute a grain of truth.
> >
> > What's the conspiracy theories?
>
> That the reason the fires so devastated that area of Kobe, which was on
the fringe and
> fairly accessible by any emergency crews coming from the West and
Northwest, is that the
> crews were diverted to 'other' areas first. There were fires in Chuo-ku as
well; I saw
> them. There were fires in Oji. But Nagata was more or less completely
destroyed.
Every ward has their own firehouse, so there were fire truck overthere, BUT,
there
were no water to extinguish. They tried to get water from sea but the hoses
weren't long enough.
The biggest mistake that the city of Kobe has made is building a huge
metropolitan city
in the geographically strange land.
There is a huge mountain but no big river. The source of water supply is
mostly coming
from the Yodo river, which is 20 miles away. The main aqueduct sending
water from there
was broken by the earthquake.
Yes, that's was quite a cruel story that humans were burned in the condition
of alive.
Unlike Osaka, Kobe is deeply related to Tokyo's ethnocentric regime. So
they might
have been left behind by firehouse as you speculate.
Kaz Tanaka
> tana...@livedoor.com (Kaz Tanaka) wrote in message
news:<5d25bf2e.02031...@posting.google.com>...
> > declan...@hotmail.com (Declan Murphy) wrote in message
news:<7506e9b6.02031...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > > So you're not a natto fan?
> >
> > How could the civilized folks of Kinai be any fan of those savage's
> > stuff that is rotten beans stinking so bad? Those natto producers of
> > tokyo had started selling those stuff in Kinai approx. a decade ago,
> > but it seems it is still the most common stuff to refuse for Kinai
> > folks.
>
> Actually, my wife says she's been eating natto for as long as she can
> remember; she grew up in Kansai.
Are you sure that your wife is originally from Kansai? The natto beans was
introduced in Kansai region only about a decade ago. The most of Kansai
folks even weren't aware of its presence.
> > >
> > > Not even in my worst nightmares have I dreamt that the Kinai People's
> > > Liberation Front would post something that I *nearly* agree with.
> >
> > It is the worst nightmare to see that a man of the European People's
> > Liberation Front against America *nearly* did not like natto. Oh well,
> > there is nothing to do with it since noone besides tokyo-savages ever
> > like it.
>
> I know lots of people who like natto. Pretty much everyone I know in
> Japan is born and raised in Kansai, and most eat it. In fact, the only
> person I know who doesn't like natto is from Chiba.
Umm.. I 've seen some Kansai folks eating natto, but I still doubt that many
folks really like natto.
It such a funky stuff and it takes a while to get used to it. For me, it
probably takes forever to get used to it.
Collin McCulley
"Dan Rempel" <dre...@islandnet.com> wrote in message news:3C8CE3EE...@islandnet.com...
Oh man. What network is this monstrosity on?
--Collin
Dan Rempel
We get it on a cable channel called The Food Network; I don't know who
actually produces it (I kind of hope Fuji TV's not involved). It's
probably worth a peek just to see the creepy underside of something or
other, but there's no way I'd stick around for the whole thing. I mean,
Shatner doesn't even say "Allez cuisine!"
Dan
Collin McCulley
"Dan Rempel" <dre...@islandnet.com> wrote in message news:3C8D5B20...@islandnet.com...
> > > As a complete change of topic, watched a bit of The Iron Chef USA, or
> > > whatever it's called, last night; truly frightening. Something about the
> > > combination of the intergalactic hambone himself, William Shatner, as
> > > the Chairman, and Pocket Fisherman guy Ron Popeil saying things like "it
> > > don't taste like tuna fish and it don't taste like turkey" that pretty
> > > much cured me of any watching it again.
> > >
> >
> > Oh man. What network is this monstrosity on?
>
> We get it on a cable channel called The Food Network; I don't know who
> actually produces it (I kind of hope Fuji TV's not involved). It's
> probably worth a peek just to see the creepy underside of something or
> other, but there's no way I'd stick around for the whole thing. I mean,
> Shatner doesn't even say "Allez cuisine!"
>
Is _that_ what the chairman says?!!! Man I'd
have never gotten that.
I normally watch food network all the time, but
I just moved and haven't watched much of anything
for the last month and a half.
Thanks.
--Collin
Declan Murphy
For the past 2 years I've spent 1 or 2 weekends every month at various
archaeological sites in the Kansai area. Almost all of the researchers
and "hangers-on" are born and bred in Kansai, and all of them love to
make fun of the gaijin who has to hold his nose and close his eyes
(after seriously considering going hungry) before coming face to face
with natto for breakfast. They can't seem to get enough of it.
Declan Murphy
> As a complete change of topic, watched a bit of The Iron Chef USA, or
> whatever it's called, last night; truly frightening. Something about the
> combination of the intergalactic hambone himself, William Shatner, as
> the Chairman, and Pocket Fisherman guy Ron Popeil saying things like "it
> don't taste like tuna fish and it don't taste like turkey" that pretty
> much cured me of any watching it again.
In other words, the show re-confirms my suspicion that most USAians
have no taste buds?
John W.
> > remember; she grew up in Kansai.
>
> Are you sure that your wife is originally from Kansai? The natto beans was
> introduced in Kansai region only about a decade ago. The most of Kansai
> folks even weren't aware of its presence.
>
came to the US. In Japan she's never lived outside of Kansai.
>
> Umm.. I 've seen some Kansai folks eating natto, but I still doubt that many
> folks really like natto.
I'll conced that it's mostly an Eastern Japan food; I believe Mito in
Ibaraki is famous for it's Natto (and, for the record, that's not
considered the environs of Tokyo). However, I can find nothing that
says it's only been in Kansai ten years or so.
John W.
Scott Reynolds
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:18:16 -0500, "Kevin Gowen"
> <kevin...@hotmail.com> cooed:
>
>>"Ernest Schaal" <esc...@justice.com> wrote in message
>>news:cd9d8d4b.02031...@posting.google.com...
>>
>>>Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote in message
>>
>>news:<3C8B79A3...@gol.com>...
>>
>>>>Ernest Schaal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>in article 3C89C6AB...@gol.com, Scott Reynolds at s...@gol.com
>>>>
>>wrote on
>>
>>>>>3/9/02 5:24 PM:
>>>>
>>>>>He would have complained that using the first name would be sarcastic
>>>>
>>and
>>
>>>>>not showing him the proper respect.
>>>>
>>>>But Tomoyuki is his second name.
>>>
>>>In the States, it is his first name, and the last time I heard he was
>>>still in the States. (You wouldn't be trolling, would you?)
>>
>>Scott is the worst troll in the history of the Japan-related newsgroups.
>
> "Worst" in this case not meaning "most egregious" but "most
> transparent"
Egregiously transparent?
Kaz Tanaka
> In fact, the only
> person I know who doesn't like natto is from Chiba.
Quite strange that the natto is originally a local food of Kanto
region. The most of nattto are produced in Mito city of Ibaraki
prefecture next to Chiba.
Kaz Tanaka
> > Umm.. I 've seen some Kansai folks eating natto, but I still doubt that many
> > folks really like natto.
> > It such a funky stuff and it takes a while to get used to it. For me, it
> > probably takes forever to get used to it.
>
> For the past 2 years I've spent 1 or 2 weekends every month at various
> archaeological sites in the Kansai area. Almost all of the researchers
> and "hangers-on" are born and bred in Kansai, and all of them love to
> make fun of the gaijin who has to hold his nose and close his eyes
> (after seriously considering going hungry) before coming face to face
> with natto for breakfast. They can't seem to get enough of it.
One thing I found about Ryokan or Minshuku. Those Ryokans in Kanto
often don't serve natto for the breakfast since the most of lodgers
staying there are from the outside of Kanto region. And the most of
Ryokans in Kansai or Kyushu serve natto for their brealfast since many
of lodgers are from Tokyo or Kanto region.
Once I lodged in a classic Ryokan(one of those business type, maybe
like one of those Japanese version of "bed & breakfast", not the
luxurious sight-seeing onsen type)with my five members of work in
Hakata.
There was a group of five or six persons from Tokyo were having
breakfast next to our table. Noone of my members even touched the
natto, and then we all left it, but all person of the group from Tokyo
ate them all. It was a shocking sight for us.
I don't think your Kansai folk regularly have natto on their
breakfast. I guess they are showing some kind of irony to make fun of
a gaijin.
Michael Cash
Murphy) cooed:
If it were me, I would refuse to watch it just because Japanese
television has made me sick and tired of every other show being a
cooking show.
Kaz Tanaka
> "Kaz Tanaka" <tana...@livedoor.com> wrote in message news:<6a9j8.769$TR4.2...@news1.dion.ne.jp>...
> > "John W." <worth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:73fde4f0.02031...@posting.google.com...
> > > Actually, my wife says she's been eating natto for as long as she can
> > > remember; she grew up in Kansai.
> >
> > Are you sure that your wife is originally from Kansai? The natto beans was
> > introduced in Kansai region only about a decade ago. The most of Kansai
> > folks even weren't aware of its presence.
> >
> She was born and raised in Himeji, educated in Kansai Gaidai, then
> came to the US. In Japan she's never lived outside of Kansai.
I wonder if younger Kansai generation doesn't dislike natto as much as
elder generation does. Since the period that younger folks growing,
natto has become already common in Kansai. Anyway, Osaka is more
likely the center of Kinai, and has more strong Kinai culture that
refuses Eastern behaviors while Himeji is rather a backwater of Kinai.
>
> >
> > Umm.. I 've seen some Kansai folks eating natto, but I still doubt that many
> > folks really like natto.
>
> I'll conced that it's mostly an Eastern Japan food; I believe Mito in
> Ibaraki is famous for it's Natto (and, for the record, that's not
> considered the environs of Tokyo). However, I can find nothing that
> says it's only been in Kansai ten years or so.
I remember about a natto producer of Mito in Ibaraki had started to
selling their product in supermarkets in Kinai 10 or 15 years ago.
They had been broadcasting TV commercials of natto on a large scale
and frequently in Kansai to let people in Kansai be aware of its
presence at that time. And I believe this is the official introduction
of natto in Kansai. Tarento Akashiya Sanma said on a TV program that
he is from Nara, but his mother was from Tokyo. His mother was always
buying bunchs of natto in Tokyo when she goes back there once in a
while and bring them back to Nara since there was no store selling
natto in Kinai at that time. He was also saying that he disliked that
his mother eating such funky beans stinking like socks that were worn
for a week, then he had argued with his mother a lot when he was a boy
because none of his friends in Nara eats that kind of food.
Dan Rempel
>
> "Dan Rempel" <dre...@islandnet.com> wrote in message news:3C8D5B20...@islandnet.com...
>
> > > > As a complete change of topic, watched a bit of The Iron Chef USA, or
> > > > whatever it's called, last night; truly frightening. Something about the
> > > > combination of the intergalactic hambone himself, William Shatner, as
> > > > the Chairman, and Pocket Fisherman guy Ron Popeil saying things like "it
> > > > don't taste like tuna fish and it don't taste like turkey" that pretty
> > > > much cured me of any watching it again.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Oh man. What network is this monstrosity on?
> >
> > We get it on a cable channel called The Food Network; I don't know who
> > actually produces it (I kind of hope Fuji TV's not involved). It's
> > probably worth a peek just to see the creepy underside of something or
> > other, but there's no way I'd stick around for the whole thing. I mean,
> > Shatner doesn't even say "Allez cuisine!"
> >
>
> Is _that_ what the chairman says?!!! Man I'd
> have never gotten that.
I'd never have gotten it either; I had to read it on a web page
somewhere before I could actually hear it.
Dan
--
Everybody gets free BORSCHT!
Kevin Gowen
Peope who say "tuna fish" really stick in my craw.
Declan Murphy
> If it were me, I would refuse to watch it just because Japanese
> television has made me sick and tired of every other show being a
> cooking show.
Too true. Unfortunately "she-who-thinks-she-owns-the-remocon" just
loves watching these shows - nearly as much as the idea of actually
getting into the kitchen and cooking in fact.
Is there an inverse correlation between "time spent watching cooking
shows" and "able to cook" ???????
Declan Murphy
> Peope who say "tuna fish" really stick in my craw.
<audible groan at superannuated joke>
And I thought your sense of humor was only personality impaired - does
living in an open air retirement village have an influence too? :-)
Kevin Gowen
news:<rbvr8ukgp94atedpk...@4ax.com>...
>
> > If it were me, I would refuse to watch it just because Japanese
> > television has made me sick and tired of every other show being a
> > cooking show.
Have you ever seen my pie graph that breaks down Japanese TV programming? It
is divided into three parts. Two are equal in size, each taking up almost
50% of the pie, and there is a very narrow sliver for the remainder. One
huge chunk is "cooking shows", the second is "onsen shows", and the third is
"other".
- Kevin
Kevin Gowen
You cannot escape the smell of Ben-Gay and Vicks Vaporub. Clouds the senses.
- Kevin
Scott Reynolds
> I remember about a natto producer of Mito in Ibaraki had started to
> selling their product in supermarkets in Kinai 10 or 15 years ago.
> They had been broadcasting TV commercials of natto on a large scale
> and frequently in Kansai to let people in Kansai be aware of its
> presence at that time. And I believe this is the official introduction
> of natto in Kansai. Tarento Akashiya Sanma said on a TV program that
> he is from Nara, but his mother was from Tokyo. His mother was always
> buying bunchs of natto in Tokyo when she goes back there once in a
> while and bring them back to Nara since there was no store selling
> natto in Kinai at that time. He was also saying that he disliked that
> his mother eating such funky beans stinking like socks that were worn
> for a week, then he had argued with his mother a lot when he was a boy
> because none of his friends in Nara eats that kind of food.
My, my! Such delicate sensibilities for someone from a town called "Fart."
Scott Reynolds
I thought that natto came from Tohoku, but what do I know?
Michael Cash
<kevin...@hotmail.com> cooed:
> Michael Cash <mike...@sunfield.ne.jp> wrote in message
You forgot to include 50% for 行列の出来るラーメン屋 specials. (Or is
that included in the cooking show category?)
Declan Murphy
> > <audible groan at superannuated joke>
> >
> > And I thought your sense of humor was only personality impaired - does
> > living in an open air retirement village have an influence too? :-)
>
> You cannot escape the smell of Ben-Gay and Vicks Vaporub. Clouds the senses.
:-)
Which part of Florida are you in anyway? I've only been to Miami Beach and Tampa.
Kevin Gowen
I grew up in Tampa, but now I am living in Tallahassee, the beautiful
capital, which despite being a southern small city/large town has only one
shitty gun store and one shitty gun range. My parents live in a community
near Disney World called Celebration.
- Kevin
John W.
> Kaz Tanaka wrote:
> > worth...@yahoo.com (John W.) wrote in message news:<73fde4f0.02031...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> >
> >>In fact, the only
> >>person I know who doesn't like natto is from Chiba.
> >
> > Quite strange that the natto is originally a local food of Kanto
> > region. The most of nattto are produced in Mito city of Ibaraki
> > prefecture next to Chiba.
>
> I thought that natto came from Tohoku, but what do I know?
Well, that's pretty obvious now. :)
Actually, I've been doing a bit of Natto research lately because I
really, really want to prove to Kaz that he's wrong. Not for malicious
reasons, but for his education. I've asked three people from Kansai
(including my wife from Himeji who is 30 and a friend from Osaka who
is nearly 40) and all say they ate Natto as children.
John W.
Ryan Ginstrom
> (including my wife from Himeji who is 30 and a friend from Osaka who
> is nearly 40) and all say they ate Natto as children.
Too young. Tohoku is the right answer.
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Regards,
Ryan Ginstrom
Kaz Tanaka
> Scott Reynolds <s...@gol.com> wrote in message news:<3C8F0EF6...@gol.com>...
> > Kaz Tanaka wrote:
> > > worth...@yahoo.com (John W.) wrote in message news:<73fde4f0.02031...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > >
> > >>In fact, the only
> > >>person I know who doesn't like natto is from Chiba.
> > >
> > > Quite strange that the natto is originally a local food of Kanto
> > > region. The most of nattto are produced in Mito city of Ibaraki
> > > prefecture next to Chiba.
> >
> > I thought that natto came from Tohoku, but what do I know?
>
> Well, that's pretty obvious now. :)
>
> Actually, I've been doing a bit of Natto research lately because I
> really, really want to prove to Kaz that he's wrong. Not for malicious
> reasons, but for his education. I've asked three people from Kansai
> (including my wife from Himeji who is 30 and a friend from Osaka who
> is nearly 40) and all say they ate Natto as children.
No, you are completely wrong. All of my people and myself are the
native Kinai person. And none of them is even aware of "the Tokyo
style natto" in over 20 years ago. It wasn't even sold in ordinary
grocery stores. It might have been sold in some stores in some region
that many folks from the Eastern part reside, but it was for them, not
for common Kansai folks.
What Kansai(probably all of the western part) folk originally call
natto is a different kind of stuff. It is a sweet beans more like the
"Anko". It is a completely different stuff from those Tokyo style
rotten natto. A different kind of beans are used, and we call it
"Ama-nattou"("sweet-beans"), and it is a confectionery. We never eat
it for breakfast.
John W.
I'm not sure what question you were answering.... We're talking about
the introduction of natto into Kansai, not it's origins. And the Kanto
plain is the right answer to that, from my research; natto has been
traced back to the Jomon, according to some stuff I was reading. But
that might be nihonjinron; I've also read that it was brought from
China as part of the soy bean introduction (which was also Jomon...?).
If this is true, then that would mean it was first in West Japan, not
East.
John W.
Kaz Tanaka
> > worth...@yahoo.com (John W.) wrote in message news:<73fde4f0.02031...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> >
> >>In fact, the only
> >>person I know who doesn't like natto is from Chiba.
> >
> > Quite strange that the natto is originally a local food of Kanto
> > region. The most of nattto are produced in Mito city of Ibaraki
> > prefecture next to Chiba.
>
> I thought that natto came from Tohoku, but what do I know?
Probably it came from Tohoku, but I am not sure. At least, it is not
from western part of Japan since people in Kyushu and Shikoku also
dislike it as well.
I found one thing when I was watching a local Osakan TV program at
midnight the other day. Narumi(an Osakan tarento)was yelling to
somebody who was making fun of her, "I am going to ship a pack of
natto to your home". It seems shipping natto to somebody is still a
mischief and a joke for Osakans.
rose
It is a public knowledge that;
Grains are in starch group.
Vegetables are in green group.
Beans are in fart group.
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