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Yomiuri story confims my suspicions

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Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson

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Sep 20, 2003, 10:49:49 AM9/20/03
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Whenever when anyone mentions gaigin crime figures, there's usually a
lot of hand-waving about a third of them being visa offences, so they
shouldn't count.

I've always thought that was a poor excuse, but I've also had my
suspicions that getting chucked out of the country could be masking
real crimes - if there's a gaigin charged with a string of offences,
maybe just sticking him on the first plane back home is a more cost-
and time-effective way of dealing with him.

So, today's Yomiuri had a story mentioning this very situation:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/newse/20030920wo22.htm

"The Japanese man was arrested in June on suspicion of fraud and the
Chinese woman, 34, a former hostess at a gambling den in Chuo Ward,
Osaka, is on trial for violating the Immigration Control and Refugee
Recognition Law."

That's one out of the 7000 or so - how many of the other 6999 are
hiding real crimes?

Ken

mtfe...@mapson.netscape.net

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Sep 21, 2003, 12:44:28 AM9/21/03
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Ken Yasumoto-Nicolson <ken_ni...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Whenever when anyone mentions gaigin crime figures, there's usually a
> lot of hand-waving about a third of them being visa offences, so they
> shouldn't count.

> I've always thought that was a poor excuse, but I've also had my
> suspicions that getting chucked out of the country could be masking
> real crimes - if there's a gaigin charged with a string of offences,
> maybe just sticking him on the first plane back home is a more cost-
> and time-effective way of dealing with him.

Yep. I lived in Japan in "violation" of several visa offenses, but OTOH,
everything I did was sanctioned by the people who issued visas. Had I crossed
any number of other lines, I could have been chucked in the fashion you
suggest.

Mike

Louise Bremner

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Sep 21, 2003, 1:19:51 AM9/21/03
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<mtfe...@MAPSON.netscape.net> wrote:

> > Whenever when anyone mentions gaigin crime figures, there's usually a
> > lot of hand-waving about a third of them being visa offences, so they
> > shouldn't count.
>
> > I've always thought that was a poor excuse, but I've also had my
> > suspicions that getting chucked out of the country could be masking
> > real crimes - if there's a gaigin charged with a string of offences,
> > maybe just sticking him on the first plane back home is a more cost-
> > and time-effective way of dealing with him.
>

> Yep. I lived in Japan in "violation" of several visa offenses....

Um.... Is it alright to admit that here?

> ...but OTOH, everything I did was sanctioned by the people who issued


> visas. Had I crossed any number of other lines, I could have been chucked
> in the fashion you suggest.

That was my understanding too.

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mtfe...@mapson.netscape.net

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Sep 21, 2003, 1:47:45 AM9/21/03
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Louise Bremner <dame_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <mtfe...@MAPSON.netscape.net> wrote:

>> > Whenever when anyone mentions gaigin crime figures, there's usually a
>> > lot of hand-waving about a third of them being visa offences, so they
>> > shouldn't count.
>>
>> > I've always thought that was a poor excuse, but I've also had my
>> > suspicions that getting chucked out of the country could be masking
>> > real crimes - if there's a gaigin charged with a string of offences,
>> > maybe just sticking him on the first plane back home is a more cost-
>> > and time-effective way of dealing with him.
>>
>> Yep. I lived in Japan in "violation" of several visa offenses....

> Um.... Is it alright to admit that here?

No, no "admission"; I was working on a tourist visa on the advice of the
guy at immigration (my company didn't apply for a renewal early enough, I
was leaving the country for vacation, etc.) Later, I got a marriage visa, so
I had 3 valid visas, at a time when you were only supposed to have one.

>> ...but OTOH, everything I did was sanctioned by the people who issued
>> visas. Had I crossed any number of other lines, I could have been chucked
>> in the fashion you suggest.

> That was my understanding too.

Yep; "path of least resistance" is a universal phrase in beaureaucratic circles.

Mike

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