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kyohi

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Nov 24, 2006, 3:04:36 PM11/24/06
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In article <CDCta.10$sH6....@twister.nyc.rr.com>, wel_m...@hotmail.com says...
>
>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having trouble
>starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best for a
>beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Ben

　なんかやたらといろいろなグループにポストしているみたいですが。
fj.comp.lang.basic

　やっぱり、BASICと言うくらいですから、BASICでしょう。

kyohi

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Feb 13, 2007, 5:06:54 PM2/13/07
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　いやー、やっぱりBASICと言うくらいベーシックなのでBASICが良いのでは。
と思いますが。

kyohi

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Feb 13, 2007, 5:11:01 PM2/13/07
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　このあたりはいつも悩むのですが、現実に今使われる言語はJavaゃC++が多いので初めからJavaゃC++を学べば効率がよいのですが。
　初心者がプログラミングの基本骨格を学ぶのに最適化というと、はたしてどうなんでしょう。

In article <pan.2003.05.06....@jhu.edu>, jef...@jhu.edu says...

>Learn Java and/or C++.
>
>Everything else is easy after that.

Tom Lake

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Feb 13, 2007, 5:57:43 PM2/13/07
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>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having trouble
>>starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best for a
>>beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>
>>Thanks in advance
>>Ben

BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to programming.
One super version is at:

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA008683/index.htm

or in English:

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA008683/english/index.htm

Tom Lake


Ivan Marsh

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Feb 13, 2007, 6:29:11 PM2/13/07
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:43 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:

>>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having
>>>trouble starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best
>>>for a beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>Ben
>
> BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to programming.
> One super version is at:

Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't bother
learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start with a
language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built around
using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition to a
language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.

As others have said, start with C/C++ or Java. Your first programs don't
have to be overly complicated and everything you learn in a C-like
language translates to every other C-like language out there.

Once you get the logic behind loops and conditional statements it's all
about syntax, no matter what language you're using.

ArarghMai...@not.at.arargh.com

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Feb 13, 2007, 6:50:16 PM2/13/07
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:29:11 -0600, Ivan Marsh <ann...@you.now>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:43 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
>
>>>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having
>>>>trouble starting, I need advice as to which language would be the best
>>>>for a beginner to start with and where I may find the tools needed to
>>>>start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>Ben
>>
>> BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to programming.
>> One super version is at:
>
>Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't bother
>learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start with a
>language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built around
>using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition to a
>language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.

That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC. Modern
BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global variables,
(in between variables), common variables . . .

I spent YEARS (well months, anyway) trying to figure out the variable
scope rules for PDS. (ms quickbasic 7.10) Not sure that I ever did.

<snip>

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Ivan Marsh

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Feb 13, 2007, 6:57:49 PM2/13/07
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:50:16 -0600, ArarghMail702NOSPAM wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:29:11 -0600, Ivan Marsh <ann...@you.now> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:43 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
>>
>>>>>I am very interested in learning programming. However I am having
>>>>>trouble starting, I need advice as to which language would be the
>>>>>best for a beginner to start with and where I may find the tools
>>>>>needed to start.......literature.....compilers...etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>>Ben
>>>
>>> BASIC is still a great language for an easy introduction to
>>> programming. One super version is at:
>>
>>Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't
>>bother learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start
>>with a language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built
>>around using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition
>>to a language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.
>
> That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC.

Indeed it was (Apple IIe).

> Modern BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global
> variables, (in between variables), common variables . . .

I had no idea BASIC had evolved... or that anyone had bothered to make it
evolve.

> I spent YEARS (well months, anyway) trying to figure out the variable
> scope rules for PDS. (ms quickbasic 7.10) Not sure that I ever did.

Now that I've spent a considerable amount of time with C++ I wish it had
been the first language I worked with.

//\\o//\\annabee

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Feb 13, 2007, 7:04:50 PM2/13/07
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I strongly recommend that the child starts with no less then assembly
programming.
There is no tool as happy to go where the playful mind of a child would
like to go, than an assembler. Do not polute a childs mind with the
abominations of C, C++ and or C# or absurdities like Java.

The one i am using, and that I recommend is RosAsm.

< http://betov.free.fr/RosAsm.html >

If he goes this route, he will be teaching you guys a thing or two, in
less then a few months. In a few years, he will be laughing his head of at
you gays, woundering what went wrong with you.

:))

ArarghMai...@not.at.arargh.com

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Feb 13, 2007, 7:49:49 PM2/13/07
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:49 -0600, Ivan Marsh <ann...@you.now>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:50:16 -0600, ArarghMail702NOSPAM wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:29:11 -0600, Ivan Marsh <ann...@you.now> wrote:

<snip>


>>>Ick... I, unfortunately, learned BASIC as my first language. Don't
>>>bother learning all those things you will have to unlearn. If you start
>>>with a language with a global variable scope, no functions and is built
>>>around using goto you're going to have a hard time making the transition
>>>to a language that thinks all of those things are blaspheme.
>>
>> That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC.
>
>Indeed it was (Apple IIe).

Someone gave me an Apple IIe some time back. No software, however.


>
>> Modern BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global
>> variables, (in between variables), common variables . . .
>
>I had no idea BASIC had evolved... or that anyone had bothered to make it
>evolve.

Just take a look at QBasic (comes with DOS 5. . . & Win9x). It has a
lot of the features that the for pay versions have.

>> I spent YEARS (well months, anyway) trying to figure out the variable
>> scope rules for PDS. (ms quickbasic 7.10) Not sure that I ever did.
>
>Now that I've spent a considerable amount of time with C++ I wish it had
>been the first language I worked with.

About the only way I can understand C programs (beyond very simple
ones) is to feed it thru the compiler and read the corresponding asm
code. :-) The GUI versions of VB, also.

J French

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Feb 14, 2007, 2:14:33 AM2/14/07
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:49 -0600, Ivan Marsh <ann...@you.now>
wrote:

<snip>

>> That must have been a LONG time ago, on a very primitive BASIC.

>Indeed it was (Apple IIe).

That was my second dialect of BASIC

>> Modern BASICs have functions, subroutines, local variables, global
>> variables, (in between variables), common variables . . .

>I had no idea BASIC had evolved... or that anyone had bothered to make it
>evolve.

You would not recognize it nowadays, in fact you would not recognize
20 year old BASICs


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Feb 15, 2007, 6:34:30 AM2/15/07
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j1mb0jay

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Feb 15, 2007, 4:28:36 PM2/15/07
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I sugest using C# as this is rather like java, but i found it a little more
simple to pick up. There is lots of "free" code out there to help you get
started. Microsoft have also realsed "Express" editions of the program you
need to create you first application, for free.

Regards j1mb0jay

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