On the subject of guests...
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Laurence Simon
Nov 2, 2012, 2:25:30 PM11/2/12
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Howdy, y'all.
For the past five years, we've done a great job of keeping the peace without too much open hostility or deliberate provocation between residents, guests, and visitors without having to have any kind of formal procedure or policy, and that's great.
However, there were a few issues with visitors and guests last month that had me wondering if I needed to write something on the subject.
Feel free to discuss, comment, and help refine this so there's no misunderstandings when someone you don't know is violating Wheaton's Law ("Don't be a dick."). But, really, it all boils down to:
- "you are responsible for your guests"
- "use your best judgment"
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I consider all ground-level areas that aren't behind closed doors to be public areas. If someone has to go through a door or fly up over 300 meters to get to somewhere, then it's private.
Generally, we don't use security orbs or block public access to anywhere at ground level. If you find yourself needing such strict levels of security, then maybe this neighborhood isn't the right one for you.
VISITORS
Visitors are people who come to the islands on their own. As tempting as it may be to use them for target practice, unless they are causing problems or issues (griefing, squatting, stalking, being generally annoying during events, etc.), just wave and smile (or ignore them). Congratulations... we've got such a nice place, people want to visit. Pat yourselves on the back.
Your response should be appropriate for the behavior.
- Politely ask a squatter in your parcel to leave, if they don't leave, then kick them from the parcel. If they persist or get rude about it, then let me know so they can be blanket-banned from the area.
- Kick/Ban a stalker/griefer and let me know so they can be blanket-banned from the area.
- Drop a landmark to Phoenix/Firestorm's new welcome island tutorial on clueness newbies and tell them to teleport there.
If visitors are coming to the area en masse for no apparent reason, then it's a good idea to raise the alarm because there's the possibility they're griefing, copybotting, being sent here by an unwelcome entry in Destination Guide, etc. Ask them why/how they got here, use your best judgment or ask for assistance.
GUESTS
On the other hand, Guests have been invited by a resident. Once again, if they're not causing a fuss or lag, there's no reason to have any issues with them. Once again, congratulations... we've got such a nice place, our friends want to visit. Pat yourselves on the back with your other hand.
Whether they be people attending an event, visiting a local resident, a build helper, a semi-permanent resident of the area, or the partner of a resident - they are guests. Because, when it comes to island management, my primary relationship is with the paying resident. Under that, I give some leeway to a permanent guest, such as a partner or a friend you have as a build-helper or event manager, but the buck stops with the paying resident.
You are responsible for your guests, temporary or permanent. If your guest is causing problems with others and you are aware of it, you'll need to remind them that they're a guest and need to treat people nicely.
If you are having issues with the guest of another resident, please talk to that resident. If those issues persist, or the discussion does not result in a resolution of the issue, talk to me. (Yes, this is how drama starts. And ends.)
Also, only members of an island's group have permanent rezzing rights. Even though most parcels should have auto-return or open build turned off by now, If you see something usual/icky/ghastly that's been rezzed by someone you don't know and it's not rezzed as the local group - you're welcome to return it. If they have a problem, tell them to rez it as the group. If they're not a member of the group and you don't know them, don't immediately invite them - tell them to talk to the person who they're a guest of. Once again, use your best judgment or ask for assistance.
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Feel free to think it over, suggest corrections/adjustments, etc.
Thank you,
-ls/cm
For the past five years, we've done a great job of keeping the peace without too much open hostility or deliberate provocation between residents, guests, and visitors without having to have any kind of formal procedure or policy, and that's great.
However, there were a few issues with visitors and guests last month that had me wondering if I needed to write something on the subject.
Feel free to discuss, comment, and help refine this so there's no misunderstandings when someone you don't know is violating Wheaton's Law ("Don't be a dick."). But, really, it all boils down to:
- "you are responsible for your guests"
- "use your best judgment"
------------------------------
I consider all ground-level areas that aren't behind closed doors to be public areas. If someone has to go through a door or fly up over 300 meters to get to somewhere, then it's private.
Generally, we don't use security orbs or block public access to anywhere at ground level. If you find yourself needing such strict levels of security, then maybe this neighborhood isn't the right one for you.
VISITORS
Visitors are people who come to the islands on their own. As tempting as it may be to use them for target practice, unless they are causing problems or issues (griefing, squatting, stalking, being generally annoying during events, etc.), just wave and smile (or ignore them). Congratulations... we've got such a nice place, people want to visit. Pat yourselves on the back.
Your response should be appropriate for the behavior.
- Politely ask a squatter in your parcel to leave, if they don't leave, then kick them from the parcel. If they persist or get rude about it, then let me know so they can be blanket-banned from the area.
- Kick/Ban a stalker/griefer and let me know so they can be blanket-banned from the area.
- Drop a landmark to Phoenix/Firestorm's new welcome island tutorial on clueness newbies and tell them to teleport there.
If visitors are coming to the area en masse for no apparent reason, then it's a good idea to raise the alarm because there's the possibility they're griefing, copybotting, being sent here by an unwelcome entry in Destination Guide, etc. Ask them why/how they got here, use your best judgment or ask for assistance.
GUESTS
On the other hand, Guests have been invited by a resident. Once again, if they're not causing a fuss or lag, there's no reason to have any issues with them. Once again, congratulations... we've got such a nice place, our friends want to visit. Pat yourselves on the back with your other hand.
Whether they be people attending an event, visiting a local resident, a build helper, a semi-permanent resident of the area, or the partner of a resident - they are guests. Because, when it comes to island management, my primary relationship is with the paying resident. Under that, I give some leeway to a permanent guest, such as a partner or a friend you have as a build-helper or event manager, but the buck stops with the paying resident.
You are responsible for your guests, temporary or permanent. If your guest is causing problems with others and you are aware of it, you'll need to remind them that they're a guest and need to treat people nicely.
If you are having issues with the guest of another resident, please talk to that resident. If those issues persist, or the discussion does not result in a resolution of the issue, talk to me. (Yes, this is how drama starts. And ends.)
Also, only members of an island's group have permanent rezzing rights. Even though most parcels should have auto-return or open build turned off by now, If you see something usual/icky/ghastly that's been rezzed by someone you don't know and it's not rezzed as the local group - you're welcome to return it. If they have a problem, tell them to rez it as the group. If they're not a member of the group and you don't know them, don't immediately invite them - tell them to talk to the person who they're a guest of. Once again, use your best judgment or ask for assistance.
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Feel free to think it over, suggest corrections/adjustments, etc.
Thank you,
-ls/cm
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Laurence Simon
Nov 2, 2012, 2:44:45 PM11/2/12
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jullianna Juliesse <missju...@gmail.com> wrote:
This all sounds reasonable to me. Personally, I get a little weirded out if someone I don't know is just standing in my yard. I greet them with a nice hello, and explain this is my house and generally see how they behave. I've had a couple of odd characters that I've had to put on the restricted access list, and I hope I have not overstepped any boundaries here.
If I have mini-map up and I see a green dot in my vicinity, I tend to let individuals who aren't obvious griefers wander the park or other areas. Quite a few SL models out there have used Clocktree Park as a background.
But if someone's just standing there for a VERY long time idled (30-40 minutes) and they're not responding to IMs, yeah, I've been known to "decorate" them like a Christmas tree, or rez a phantom pot of boiling water under them to make soup. (My IM is usually "Hello. Welcome to Clocktree Park. Would you like some soup?")
-ls/cm
Carol H Tucker
Nov 2, 2012, 2:46:27 PM11/2/12
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On the whole, I have not had a lot of issues with visitors that have come to my beach or played in the mer areas, but this does sound reasonable to me if we needs must have some sort of guidelines to avoid the noisy YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS BEFORE DISINTEGRATION messages or banlines.
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~ Andre Jordan
Only issue I have had personally was about sky boxes visually being close and that was easily resolved with a globe or screen.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jullianna Juliesse <missju...@gmail.com> wrote:
This all sounds reasonable to me. Personally, I get a little weirded out if someone I don't know is just standing in my yard. I greet them with a nice hello, and explain this is my house and generally see how they behave. I've had a couple of odd characters that I've had to put on the restricted access list, and I hope I have not overstepped any boundaries here.
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Carol H. Tucker
"I only care about the words that flutter from your mind. They are the only thing you truly own. The only thing I will remember you by. I will not fall in love with your bones and skin. I will not fall in love with the places you have been. I will not fall in love with anything but the words that flutter from your Extraordinary Mind."
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cathawk
Nov 2, 2012, 2:53:00 PM11/2/12
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Ditto for me...
Nicki
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Jullianna Juliesse <missju...@gmail.com> wrote:
This all sounds reasonable to me. Personally, I get a little weirded out if someone I don't know is just standing in my yard. I greet them with a nice hello, and explain this is my house and generally see how they behave. I've had a couple of odd characters that I've had to put on the restricted access list, and I hope I have not overstepped any boundaries here.
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Laurence Simon <isfull...@gmail.com> wrote:
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kristin
Nov 2, 2012, 3:46:52 PM11/2/12
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I tend to ignore random visitors and hide out in the sky unless I am in a rare gregarious mood and then go and say "Oh Hai! My meeroos? Let me show you them!" which pretty much scares them away
^^
As far as guests, I have Monday Jinx (my rl husband) & a couple Chilboleans I have offered refuge to that are all in the group. I only expect Alleara to do any actual building if she ever gets around to it, but she really don't log in that often anymore.
kris
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Nov 2, 2012, 3:51:51 PM11/2/12
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lol,
The only special guest that's allowed to do anything at my space is Feathers Boa. Others can look at the art I've set up, and yes, the griefers on voice talking insults get banned.
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Jullianna Juliesse
Nov 2, 2012, 3:56:51 PM11/2/12
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Oh I like the Meeroo idea! I have an army of them out on my lawn.
Jullianna Juliesse
Nov 2, 2012, 3:59:33 PM11/2/12
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The only person you'll see knocking around building stuff or landscaping at my place is Chris Serdyuk. Trust me, it's better I let him do this stuff.
Carol H Tucker
Nov 2, 2012, 4:10:43 PM11/2/12
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Lucius Toxx is a member of the Nowhereville group and has full rezz and build rights on beladona's beach in Nowhereville and kalah's korner, but all of his stuff is in the skies above. I have a couple folks who visit regularly but they do not have rezz rights.
Carrie Lexington
Nov 2, 2012, 4:16:23 PM11/2/12
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My friend Aubree Carpathia is a regular visitor and has rez rights on my parcel in Piper Point. Her stuff is up on a sky platform and she is usually never down on ground level.
I think I have only ever had to eject and ban one person, whose name I can't recall...???0123 Resident or something like that.
C.
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