Open Letter to Adrian Cristobal on the Soul of Jose Rizal in Heaven

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June 4, 2007                                                  

  Open Letter to Adrian Cristobal

                                 By: POCH SUZARA  

As a Rizal admirer, I read with shame your piece titled "IS RIZAL's SOUL IN HEAVEN?   A billion souls pass on to the next world every thirty years or so. In the hundreds thousand years that man has existed in this world, and has already passed on, God must already be fed up with saved souls here, saved souls there, and saved souls everywhere in heaven.

And the devil, too, must already be quite fed up with the damned souls here, there, and damned souls everywhere damned in hell. Ah, let�s not forget the billions of souls undergoing purification in purgatory. And what about the billions of souls residing forever in limbo - poor souls that have been created by God to be good for something, but have turned out to be good for nothing? 

            Every December 30th, nincompoops in government cry out: Let's emulate Rizal? Emulate exactly what? It is seldom explained. Is it emulation of his habit of critical analysis in reading and thinking? Or emulation of his humanistic fervor to turn the average Filipino into a morally upright citizen with self-respect and dignity?  Or emulation of his love for science and the scientific way of thinking? And in what priority should we begin to emulate these real down-to-earth Rizalian values? 

             Is Rizal's soul in heaven?  What an infantile, nonsensical, utterly moronic question to ask! Indeed, a question unfit for scholarly investigation and discourse.

            Instead of  studying Rizal's soul in the next life, why not the proper study of Rizal's mind and heart as he lived in this world? Since deep in the minds of most Filipinos the knowledge of the true Rizal has been conveniently blotted out expediently for the sake of asserting that he died not with intellectual integrity but died instead as a loyal son of the Jesuits, and for colonial Catholic Spain?  Rizal's struggles had nothing to do with aims of gaining eternal salvation up there. It was about his war against fear and ignorance and superstition down here. It was about establishing common human decency throughout the land.

             He fought not in the battlefield, but in minds of men and the hearts of women. To enhance his people's  creative thinking capacity and to enjoy the pleasures of the intellect. 

             Rizal, indeed, was Asia's first rational-humanist thinker, put to death by a theocracy a century ago. It is the same theocracy today that's causing the youth of our land, via so-called education, to fear the power of knowledge, and to hate free and independent individuals who can think for themselves without fear. "Blotting out their brains," as Rizal said, "in faith, prayers, masses, novenas, superimposing these onto native superstitions."  

              Rizal's greatness had nothing to do with his soul ending up in heaven or down in hell or in purgatory or in limbo. His greatness as a man was about the level of his intelligence and its revolutionary character here on earth. But if we are negating Rizal'S social and intellectual messages, please blame our schools, colleges, and universities. They still impart upon our youth that Rizal's intellect and its growth and development was something of a grievous sin against the holy spirit. Thus, many Filipinos, in this day and age, have deep faith in saving stupid souls, rather than saving intelligent minds and hearts. 

              In this connection, we also have learned to accept with faith that moral bankruptcy, cultural poverty, science deficiency, economic perversity, and political stupidity are healthy, if not normal parts of our Christian society.  Meanwhile, sir, shame on you for exemplifying the damaged shallow-minded medley of characters Rizal exposed in his Noli and Fili. Not the Guerrero version but the more accurate Locsin translation.


poch suzara

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Eletorio,

         A bloodless revolution is a useless revolution. Especially if it is only for the purpose of re-establishing our useless faith
in useless revelation.
         
         Jose Rizal had a better idea - useful revolution of the mind and heart precisely
to be useful with civilization for the sake
of our nation to enjoy not only a higher
standard of living, but also, especially
a higher standard of thinking.

            Thus far, since the 16th century, millions upon millions of us Filipinos, as devout Catholics, have only been  useful
to a Jewish Lord up there. Especially for
the sake if our being famous in Asia as the mindless and heartless lunatics in this already 21st century down here.
          
                           Cheers! Godless!
                           Poch Suzara      



From: Eterio Herrera <eterio...@yahoo.com.au>
To: poch suzara <pochol...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 4:08:18
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Adrian Cristobal on the Soul of Jose Rizal in Heaven

poch,,
This should have been titled an Open letter from Poch Rizalist to the 86 percent Catholic  religion perceived poor traitors the Architect of real EDSA peoples peaceful power revolution, whose weapons were Rosarys and Roses against Guns,Goons and Gold whose only wishes was eradication and rehabilitation against poverty that was overcome by Barya ilagay sa lata.
filterio


From: poch suzara <pochol...@yahoo.com>
To: pazogie Pazogie <pazog...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Benjamin Pablo <benjami...@att.net>; Benjamin Pablo <benjami...@att.net>; Omega is one. <omega...@aol.com>; Rod Cantiveros <r...@filipinojournal.com>; Bob Gabuna <kap...@hotmail.com>; John Piermont Montilla <johnpie...@yahoo.com>; Eduardo Gimenez <edu...@yuken-usa.com>; firstpr...@googlegroups.com; Engr Roger Reyes <pazog...@yahoo.com>; dbo...@urgrad.rochester.edu; mfal...@yahoo.com; easim...@yahoo.com; ara...@btconnect.com; hyndma...@yahoo.com; manny....@gmail.com; Ben Rivera <river...@aol.com>; lorenzog...@gmail.com; pochol...@yahoo.com; merf...@yahoo.com; isip...@yahoo.com; vangi...@ymail.com; theadam...@yahoo.com.au; frank jimenez <frank_...@hotmail.com>; Jean U.K. <jean....@yahoo.co.uk>; lfer...@optonline.net; coram...@aol.com; ramon...@gmail.com; naffaa...@yahoogroups.com; joh...@skybroadband.com.ph; bot...@yahoogroups.com; gemino_...@yahoo.com; adord...@yahoo.com; Boy Montelibano <jolom...@gmail.com>; Isagani Cruz <isaga...@gmail.com>; bangon...@yahoo.com; publ...@ilocostimes.com; mar...@arcor.de; fritz...@gmail.com; roar...@skybroadband.com.ph; heidi_...@yahoo.com; hamilton casiraya <spu...@yahoo.com>; asali...@amiantit.com; cit...@yahoo.com; andrew...@gmail.com; Lady Datin Anita Sese <anit...@gmail.com>; atoyes...@hotmail.com; ahmadpe...@yahoo.com; bana...@yahoo.com; babs...@yahoo.com; ebman...@gmail.com; Lourdes Ceballos <easi...@yahoo.com>; Bob Manasan <bobma...@hotmail.com>; Eterio Hererra <eterio...@yahoo.com.au>; faith...@yahoo.com; fred...@yahoo.com; hmhorm...@gmail.com; James Calero <jlca...@people.net.au>; jfa...@googlemail.com; Lorna Gabrera <lorna_...@yahoo.co.uk>; Martin Celemin <martin....@snwa.com>; marylain...@manilatimes.net; mohammed...@yahoo.com; mart...@yahoo.com; pmcsi...@gmail.com; rizal6n...@yahoo.com; Atty Toto Causing <totoc...@yahoo.com>; bernar...@yahoo.co.uk; rasheeda...@yahoo.com; Mila Marzo <alim...@yahoo.com.ph>; hmcr...@optonline.net; laris...@gmail.com; li...@skybroadband.com.ph; romeo_me...@yahoo.com; aidab...@gmail.com; bernard...@yahoo.com; omega...@aol.com; lapula...@yahoo.com; elydej...@yahoo.com; casil....@gmail.com; b_r...@yahoo.com.ph; igu...@gmail.com; fnem...@gmail.com; stt...@gmail.com; gabriel guerrero <gma_gu...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, 14 April, 2011 5:03:39 AM
Subject: Open Letter to Adrian Cristobal on the Soul of Jose Rizal in Heaven

Angel Arando

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Pocholito -- hey that is something new -- if only to quote you i8.e 'our usless fiath'? You too have decided with your free will to have faith too? Nice starters. Now just do not get kicked out of anything -- or even for that matter self-kicked out --whether in butt -- and/or face/head!

Keep the f aith --angui


June 4, 2007

there, and damned souls everywhere damned in hell. Ah, let?s not forget the

billions of souls undergoing purification in purgatory. And what about the
billions of souls residing forever in limbo - poor souls that have been created
by God to be good for something, but have turned out to be good for nothing?

Every December 30th, nincompoops in government cry out: Let's
emulate Rizal? Emulate exactly what? It is seldom explained. Is it emulation of
his habit of critical analysis in reading and thinking? Or emulation of his
humanistic fervor to turn the average Filipino into a morally upright citizen
with self-respect and dignity? Or emulation of his love for science and the
scientific way of thinking? And in what priority should we begin to emulate
these real down-to-earth Rizalian values?

Is Rizal's soul in heaven? What an infantile, nonsensical,
utterly moronic question to ask! Indeed, a question unfit for scholarly
investigation and discourse.

Insteadof studying Rizal's soul in the next life, why not the proper

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