RE: Re: [Worldwide-Filipino-Alliance] HISPANIC IS POSITIVE IN FILIPINO CULTURE
Eduardo Gimenez
Bangkaw: When I criticized the Datu culture of servility to one's betters it was not an indictment of Filipino culture because Filipino culture was beyond that.
Response: You speak about "The Datu Culture of Servility" as if you really knew anything about it. There is nothing in any of your writings that provides the remotest evidence of any expertise in pre-Hispanic Philippine history. Not a trace. You read some message from some ignorant nabob, changed the words a bit and, voila... you're now the undisputed historian. If you were truly the historian who knows all about pre-Hispanic Philippine societies and cultures, you would not be in this group trading barbs with historical ignoramuses like me. Therein lies the great difference. I know about as little as you do about the Datus and their supposed "culture of servility" but I can call myself an utter ignoramus in the field while you profess expertise despite your ignorance.
Danding
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No, I did not forget my posts. I just think you are intellectual challenged sometimes because you can be utterly clueless engrossed as you are about me rather than read the nuggets I presented for debate.
But to baby sit you like a child since you are asking for it here it is again:
When I criticized the Datu culture of servility to one's betters it was not an indictment of Filipino culture because Filipino culture was beyond that. My attack was on the feudalistic nature that tended to overlapped in modern times. Feudal btw was about relationships between the powerful and the weak that shaped economic, social and political features of a country.
We are not tools to be used at the pleasure of other men who are no better than us. That was the point of my disdain for the Datu culture of societal stratification.
So your erroneous conclusion because you focused on me lead you to plant different goal posts of everchanging themes and thus the chaos you bring onto yourself. You dont pay attention to what I have been telling you for a long time.
Either way I have always been the winner not because of ego but because a lot more people agreed with my common sense on how we are more than what they say we are.
My ideas are being discussed. I wish you could be more expansive and understand that what I am doing is for my country.
I dont care all if you call me a Nazi like your cronies because I believe that the Philippines are only for Filipinos. For I present the truth to Filipinos who can be mislead by people who have no clue about my people. I make no apologies and say it with pride. That we should not allow ourselves to be dominated by the chinese in our own country. And the only solution is to expel them like what the Indonesians did so that we can evolved beyond foreign exploitation.
Tough luck if you, Doug, Cdv et al cant handle it. But like I said before. My feelings are universal among Filipinos though I cannot measure it scientifically but merely based it by anecdotes and how ordinary Filipinos viewed the chinese.
I have faith in the Filipino people in our intelligent progression as a nation.
We are not limited to the Datu culture like brain dead demagogues who rule the roost who say we have to be their imaginary "authentic" from tribal fundamentalism because we dont live in the pre-hispanic times. This is the 21st century.
bangkaw
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wrote:
You keep forgetting your own posts....
Like some people here, the "Datu" culture that you see today happen
to be the result of sociological trauma from many years of removing what was
working for natives so it will not reflect the old traditions.
Yet you call that the old Malay culture, of natives.
An occupied people will find ways to survive in the condition it was placed
into, one of them is to take advantage of what they can, hence corruption.
That does not mean I am making excuses for corruption, because as you said,
colonialism is no longer there so why should it continue?
Who do you blame? The Malay culture of natives? I am blaming the conditioning
people had been placed into, yes, Spanish and American occupation where
corruption is the only way to survive.
On 11/5/2013 6:24 AM, bankawitomon@... wrote:
Ah, there you go again flying to the blue yonder. I am clueless on what your message is. And the point.
Name a specific instance where I lied. lol
bangkaw
---In Worldwide-Fil...@yahoogroups.com, <isdang_tumbaga@...> wrote:The what you call "Malay", what a bunch of lies!
On 11/4/2013 7:22 PM, bankawitomon@... wrote:
I dont know what alternate world you lived in but I NEVER BASHED the Filipino.
The one time I wrote and participated in scathing sarcastic remarks against those who insisted that a Filipino must be defined as a Tagalog or Tagalogised. It was to shame the sociocultural engineering anti-Filipino traitors of their error in pushing nationalism whose very character was limited to becoming Tagalog.
You should examined all the things you posted. Each time you criticised the hispanic aspect in Filipino culture you are bashing Filipino culture Your ignorance on authentic decolonialism is similar to the prevailing ignorance around here who imagine decolonialism to Spanish influence.
They were anti-Filipino but with the veneer of being "pro-Filipino" in their delusion as they bashed the Filipino. I hope you understood what you got yourself into. I hope you have changed. Hispanic is not our enemy. It is as much a part of us as Filipino as Southeast Asian is.
bangkaw
---In Worldwide-Fil...@yahoogroups.com, <worldwide-fil...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Every nation that has traditions of cooking (and who doesn't? Do you know of any?) learned that there are two ways to prepare onions, garlic, and what not, that is to sautee (saltado) or what we call "guisa" today or just plain put it in while the main source of protein is being cooked.
Each way lends itself well into the food. Differently. But I know you don't cook, so you would never know that. Judging from your many "cooking" posts.
All also learned about marinating meats before cooking, in its own marinade or removing, both have its purpose.
Tomatoes by the way came from the Americas, and not from Mediterranean. Spaniards being in the Americas longer than any Europeans learned how to cook with it, as Italian who were subservient to the Spanish kings for a while.
Majority of Peruanos for instance are Italian descent, and not Spanish, and I like the Italian accent they have.
All who raises pigs also know how to prepare them for cooking, and preserve them with salts and spices, spices that originated in Southeast Asia, the very reason why Europeans went there to begin with!
Just like you, I hate Filipino bashers. But I see the same coming from you. Wyh do you think I bug you?
On 11/4/2013 2:35 PM, bankawitomon@... wrote:
Needless to say I cannot stand anti-Filipino commentators with their low regard for Filipinos.
I have come to the realisation that they needed to be exposed for what they are.
Especially when they blame us for our Spanish influence with our Southeast Asian base which made us Filipinos.
When they insult our dignity as Filipinos with their futile attempts to make us in the image of their foreign role models of corruption, pettiness and racism. I've had it.
I have to point out the positive contributions of the hispanic culture, which makes Filipinos an intelligent progression from our limited past, because our ancestors deemed "nationalistic" anything that produce excellence from any source.
For rather than a burden, our Western influences opened our minds to the technology and democratic ideas of the "West" before anyone else did in our region.
Especially in the evolution of our civil culture from petty chiefdoms which paved the way for an open minded acceptance of seeing the world through the lens of global proportions that makes us have empathy for other nations.
A metaphor of that internationalism translated to our national identity is our popular Filipino food preparation.
The mediterranean influences through Spain gave us guisa using garlic, onions and tomatoes, and which our ancestors mixed with our Southeast Asian base using a lot of shrimp and fish sauce called Patis. The result was genius. And our taste buds resulted from that original creation of our ancestors.
What a bland nationality we Filipinos would have been had we remained stuck up in an insular mind frame totally closed to the new ideas in the opposite world. I am glad that the Spanish and the Americans came to enriched us and contribute to our civil culture that is unlike any in our part of the world.
We are beautiful people. For Such is us Filipinos.
We are young nation even compared to the U.S. Yet we have universal virtues that is simmering in our character:
Passion from Spain, Rationality from the U.S, Inventiveness from the Malays and Right Conduct from the Indonesians.
We could achieve anything as long as our young are made to understand that we Filipinos are not assholes. That we never did have a damaged culture like what our enemies often claimed.
Andale Companyeros. Padayon.
My hundred peso thoughts.
bangkaw
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Copper M. Sian Sturgeon
But they all agree, no matter where the writer is from and studying a particular society affected by it.
No can deny the effects.
1. Loss of national identity. Is the most overwhelming result found and the most obvious.
Not that they ever had one before, but this is not the point in all these studies.
Lack of National identity and loyalty to the nation turns out to be the main cause of corruption.
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Eduardo Gimenez
Bangkaw: And the fiction of a "national trauma' WE NEVER HAD.
Response: What? Now you are blind to history too? What do you think Rizal was all about? You think he was just a happy but flaky little writer who ended his life writing a flaky useless little poem?
Danding
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No. I dont need to. I am giving you what I think not just for you but also to others who are dreaming about "colonialism." :And the so-called lack of national identity. And the fiction of a "national trauma' WE NEVER HAD.
Maybe you are unaware of what you are doing. But all you people are acting disloyal to the Philippines and the Filipino Nation,m when we are being accused as assholes everytime our culture is maligned, our Spanish-American influences demonised and our religion attacked.
bangkaw
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wrote:
I guess I am right all along:
That you do need to go back and take SOCIOLOGY CLASS.
On 11/7/2013 11:54 AM, bankawitomon@... wrote:
The main cause of corruption IS NOT THE LACK OF NATIONAL IDENTITY WHICH IS A POLITICAL INVENTION.
The cause is basic: Extreme self interest in disregard for others. IN short - GREED.
The solution is not to invent a fantasy as a "solution" taken from basically the comic stories most fools with clever words and high falutin degrees kid themselves with.
IT IS CHECK AND BALANCE. AND AN ECONOMIC REASON TO REMAIN INCORRUPTIBLE.
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