Why doesn't inspect hide/minimize the firebug window anymore?

[Jay]

Why doesn't inspect hide/minimize the firebug window anymore? You used
to be able to click the inspect button and it would then show you the
current firefox tab. Now firebug just stares at you dumbly and you
have to minimize it to get it out of the way. I assume this change was
a request but can't we leave the original functionality in and have it
as an option toggle?

[johnjbarton]

I've not seen or heard of this "hide on inspect" behavior. Under what
conditions would the UI hide?

jjb

[Jay]

When you hit the "Inspect" button in the Firebug window ... this was
the way it functioned for me up until the 1.4 release. Now that I
think about it, it was more like the Firefox tab that was about to be
inspected regained focus...

Am I the only one who saw this behavior in the old version?

-Jay

[johnjbarton]

It would be helpful you can be very specific about what you mean by
"this behavior".

jjb

[Jay]

I don't know how to be any clearer. What part are you struggling with
understanding?

In 1.3.x and down:

Hit the Inspect button ... Firebug cedes focus to the Firefox tab it's
inspecting (it either blurs itself or calls focus on the Firefox tab
it's inspecting [I'm guess the latter])


In 1.4:

Hit the Inspect button ... The Firebug window stays exactly where it
is ... it does nothing ... you have to minimize it to or move it to
get it out of the way of the Firefox tab you want to inspect.

-Jay

[johnjbarton]

On Jul 17, 9:46 am, Jay <jay.mos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know how to be any clearer. What part are you struggling with
> understanding?
>
> In 1.3.x and down:
>
> Hit the Inspect button ... Firebug cedes focus to the Firefox tab it's
> inspecting (it either blurs itself or calls focus on the Firefox tab
> it's inspecting [I'm guess the latter])

According to this description I would say "in 1.3, inspect causes
focus to change".
This description says nothing about Firebug minimizing.

>
> In 1.4:
>
> Hit the Inspect button ... The Firebug window stays exactly where it
> is ... it does nothing ... you have to minimize it to or move it to
> get it out of the way of the Firefox tab you want to inspect.
>

This description says nothing about focus. So I conclude that you are
reporting that 1.3 changed focus but 1.4 does not. That does not match
the subject line.
jjb

[Kara Rawson]

i have FB 1.3.3 and 1.4b7 and neither minimize the way you describe,

what your saying is that when you click inspect you want it to minimize
FB so you can view the entire page?

the feedback i get when click on inspect, it focus the html tab in FB
and highlights the dom section in relation to what dom object im
hovering overo n the page.

i do think this would be a good option minimize on inspect, as there are
certain times where i would find this convient.

kara

[Jay]

You're splitting hairs about something that in the end has the same
result. I have no idea whether Firebug minimizes itself, blurs itself
or focuses the Firefox tab that it's inspecting. The point is that
whether Firebug 1.3.x cedes focus, minimizes or launches itself to
Pluto it manages to remove itself from view the second the user hits
the Inspect button so that the user can clearly see the tab he's
inspecting.

I didn't see this in the changelog and couldn't find any active
discussion about it which is why I brought it up here.

Jay

[Jay]

Hi Kara:

I believe you've got the idea. I'm surprised to hear that your 1.3
version doesn't work as mine did. Do you have Firebug 1.3's window
directly over the top of Firefox? Or do you have one on one monitor
and the other on another monitor?

Serious question: when you click the Inspect button isn't your next
action to click an element on the page in Firefox itself? Should you
have to move/minimize Firebug on your own? 1.3 seemed to move itself
out of the way (for me at least) ... 1.4 doesn't. Was curious if this
was a bug, intentional or if something had gone haywire in my 1.3
installation that had actually provided a beneficial result.

-Jay

[johnjbarton]

Changing focus is not releated to minimize.
jjb

[Kara Rawson]

Jay wrote:
> Hi Kara:
>
> I believe you've got the idea. I'm surprised to hear that your 1.3
> version doesn't work as mine did. Do you have Firebug 1.3's window
> directly over the top of Firefox? Or do you have one on one monitor
> and the other on another monitor?
>

okay that makes more sense, i was able to reproduce your bug. Yeah that
is very annoying, i changed around my workstation a bit, i used ot have
multiple monitors per one computer, so i would always have my FB in
another window. But now i have multiple computers all with one monitor
using synergy to link em.

you are correct, 1.4 doesn't bring the FF window to focus, 1.3 does, is
there a bug report filed for this?

> Serious question: when you click the Inspect button isn't your next
> action to click an element on the page in Firefox itself? Should you
> have to move/minimize Firebug on your own? 1.3 seemed to move itself
> out of the way (for me at least) ... 1.4 doesn't. Was curious if this
> was a bug, intentional or if something had gone haywire in my 1.3
> installation that had actually provided a beneficial result.
>

if FB is inline within your browser, when inspecting, it should minimize
automatically. Which it doesn't, so i cant tell you how many times i
have to click minimize when inspecting, and then focus some off inspect
when i go to minimize, therefore starting this vicous cycle of clicking
till i get it right. SO... generally i just leave it inline, but drag
the height o like 100px or less.

i would actually like to see functionality of inspect work like 1.3 with
an addition of auto minimize on inspect. This should be an option,
minimize when inspecting (for inline FB isntances).

kara

[Kara Rawson]

i think jay meant to use focus not minimize on the initial post. we need
a glossary lol.

kara

[Jay]

Great John. Thanks for that "tip".

You just go right and ahead and keep on ignoring the word "hide" in
"hide/minimize" in my subject in order to make your "point". I guess
you'll just keep arguing semantics though and tell me that "hide"
isn't the same as "blur/grant focus" instead of actually trying to ...
you know ... help.

Thanks again John!
-Jay

[Jay]

I understand the difference between blur, focus and minimize. I just
couldn't remember exactly what 1.3 did. That's why I put "hide/
minimize" (emphasis on hide) in the subject. I should have put "blur/
give focus/minimize" instead. My bad.

I guess I'm shocked that no one else has brought this up because I
thought it would be really obvious. I guess most people use Firebug
inline in the browser or on a separate monitor though?

-Jay

[Jay]

Thanks for looking into this and taking the time to reproduce this
Kara. I really appreciate it.

I'll file a bug report on http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/list
later today.

Thanks again!
-Jay

[johnjbarton]

As far as I am concerned, hide and minimize are the same. To me hide
means you can't see it. Minimize means you can't see it because it got
as small as it could get.

Focus/blur on the other hand has nothing to do with visibility. It
only has to do with where input/output is directed.

So, no, hide is not the same as blur/grant focus. You can call it
'arguing semantics' if you like, but if you want me to help you I need
understand what you are talking about.

So do you see 1.3 hide the Firebug UI on inspect?

jjb

[Kara Rawson]

awesome... atleast we have accomplished something for the day... verses
some other threads that have been going on ^_^

kara