Annoying behaviour in 1.4 - "* Firebug remembers which pages you had opened Firebug on."

[Chris C]

This new 'feature':
* Firebug remembers which pages you had opened Firebug on.
Is really annoying for when you want firebug to stay open constantly.
Is there a way around it please?

[johnjbarton]

If you want Firebug to be on for all pages, selected Firebug statusbar
icon, right click, "On for all pages".
jjb

[jjj]

There is a failure of properly defining the difference between

"firebug ON" (plugin is in a state of systems interaction) and
"firebug OPEN" (plugin is in a state of user interaction)

They are not the same.

"firebug on" may imply "firebug open" or "firebug closed". either
way, the plugin should not make that determination unless there has
been user interaction to direct to to "firebug open" or "firebug
closed".

while

"firebug open" must imply that firebug is on and not closed. this is
a direct result from user interaction with firebug notifying it to
display itself.

I think this UI defect being resolved would resolve a lot of end-user
confusion.

jjj

[johnjbarton]

On Jul 3, 4:09 pm, jjj <jason31...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a failure of properly defining the difference between
>
> "firebug ON" (plugin is in a state of systems interaction) and

Let's see. First Firebug is an "extension" or an "add-on", not a
plugin.
I guess a state of systems interaction would be when Firebug has
active listeners on the web page. We'd call that "active".

> "firebug OPEN" (plugin is in a state of user interaction)

Ok open is the Firebug UI is showing, visible.

>
> They are not the same.

Yes we agree.

>
> "firebug on" may imply "firebug open" or "firebug closed".  either

Well, since "closed" could be ambiguous. We use "closed" to mean not
active. So your Firebug On + Closed is what we call "minimized".

> way, the plugin should not make that determination unless there has
> been user interaction to direct to to "firebug open" or "firebug
> closed".

Ok, sure.

>
> while
>
> "firebug open" must imply that firebug is on and not closed.  this is
> a direct result from user interaction with firebug notifying it to
> display itself.

Well "on and not closed" would be "minimized".

>
> I think this UI defect being resolved would resolve a lot of end-user
> confusion.

? What defect. I don't get it.

I think a more effective way to communicate these issues is to
describe the buttons/key you push and the state you see/don't see.


jjb

[Chris C]

I'll just say that the new firebug (1.4.0b7) that was just installed
into my browser seems to fix my usability problem. The new 'Off' and
'Minimise' buttons in particular, and the way the bar will stay open
until you close it.

Thanks for listening guys ! :)

Chris.