Firebug remembering status, auto opening

[Raymond Camden]

For a while now FB has been magically re-opening when I return to a
site where I used FB before. Is there anyway to turn this feature off?
It is extremely annoying. I'd like FB to stay closed until I open it
myself.

[John J Barton]

On Nov 25, 8:48 am, Raymond Camden <rcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For a while now FB has been magically re-opening when I return to a
> site where I used FB before. Is there anyway to turn this feature off?

Yes, click the "off" button for the site, upper right corner.

> It is extremely annoying. I'd like FB to stay closed until I open it
> myself.

I'm guessing: you want Firebug to be closed always no matter what,
then when you want to look at a site, you open it?

Unfortunately we can't support this in general. Firebug stores
information from the start of the web page so that it can show you
information like the net panel, script, and console. If Firebug is
closed always no matter what then it cannot gather this information.
If Firebug is open always no matter what, then we can gather the
information, but that will slow down your browser on pages you don't
want to study.

Another workflow works from some users.
1) Right click Firebug status bar icon, Disable All Panels. (reduces
the overhead)
2) Left click the Firebug icon, Opening Firebug.
3) Left click the Firebug icon, minimizing Firebug.
4) Visit a new site. Go to #2.
Now when you return to a site, Firebug will be either off for the site
or minimized, waiting for your command to leap into action. If you
primarily work with HTML and CSS, this should be good for you.

If you need the Net/Console/Script panel for a site, then you have to
Right click Enable Panels and reload the page to gather the startup
information. Then you start at #1 again.

jjb

[Raymond Camden]

Maybe I'm missing something, but if FB is closed, I don't expect it to
gather info. If I open it and have to reload it, that to me is
perfectly fine, and more desirable, then having FB open when I don't
request it. I'd expect FB to be doing nothing when closed, and doing
stuff when open. As it stands, I think most folks do debugging for a
period of time, so having to open it once and perhaps reload just one
time is a minimal thing. Right?


On Nov 25, 11:24 am, John J Barton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com>
wrote:

[John J Barton]

On Nov 25, 10:57 am, Raymond Camden <rcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe I'm missing something, but if FB is closed, I don't expect it to
> gather info. If I open it and have to reload it, that to me is
> perfectly fine, and more desirable, then having FB open when I don't
> request it. I'd expect FB to be doing nothing when closed, and doing
> stuff when open. As it stands, I think most folks do debugging for a
> period of time, so having to open it once and perhaps reload just one
> time is a minimal thing. Right?

Right. So what is the problem?

You say "...having FB open when I don't request it...". I guess you
mean:
1. Open http://getfirebug.com
2. Open Firebug
3. close http://getfirebug.com (the web page, not Firebug).
4. go on vacation
5. Open http://getfirebug.com
Firebug opens and you don't want it?

If so, then the issue here is that Firebug does not know you went on
vacation. It has no way to tell the difference between the scenario
above and
1. Open http://getfirebug.com
2. Open Firebug
3. reload http://getfirebug.com
This is the loop many folks use for development.

Plus many users like Firebug to open on the sites they develop on,
without having to do anything. That is how it works, but it means if
you don't want it to open on http://getfirebug.com after you open it,
then you need to turn Firebug off before you close.

(Just to be sure, I assume you are using either 1.4.5 or 1.5b4 and
that you don't have some funky option set, try Firebug Icon Menu >
Options >Reset All).

jjb

[Raymond Camden]

On Nov 25, 2:22 pm, John J Barton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com> wrote:
> You say "...having FB open when I don't request it...". I guess you
> mean:

>   1. Openhttp://getfirebug.com
>   2. Open Firebug
>   3. closehttp://getfirebug.com(the web page, not Firebug).
>   4. go on vacation
>   5. Openhttp://getfirebug.com

> Firebug opens and you don't want it?

Correct.

> If so, then the issue here is that Firebug does not know you went on
> vacation. It has no way to tell the difference between the scenario
> above and

>   1. Openhttp://getfirebug.com
>   2. Open Firebug
>   3. reloadhttp://getfirebug.com

But doesn't FB know it's current state? Like if I'm on A.com now, and
it's closed, and I click a link to go to B.com, even if the last time
I was at B.com it was open, just a second ago it was closed. It knew
it was closed. I get that it's nice to remember "Hey, last time I was
on B so let me open again.", but it would be nice to have an option to
enable/disable it.

I guess I see the first scenario as different from your second one. In
your second one, in the UI, FB is open. It should stay open forever
until I close it, no matter where I click. Ditto for closing.

> Plus many users like Firebug to open on the sites they develop on,
> without having to do anything. That is how it works, but it means if

> you don't want it to open onhttp://getfirebug.comafter you open it,

> then you need to turn Firebug off before you close.

I guess I'll start closing FB. But do you at least see where this can
be surprising?

> (Just to be sure, I assume you are using either 1.4.5 or 1.5b4 and
> that you don't have some funky option set, try Firebug Icon Menu >
> Options >Reset All).

Yep, running 1.4.5.

As I said, I guess I'll start closing FB when done.

[John J Barton]

On Nov 25, 12:30 pm, Raymond Camden <rcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2:22 pm, John J Barton <johnjbar...@johnjbarton.com> wrote:
>
> > You say "...having FB open when I don't request it...". I guess you
> > mean:
> >   1. Openhttp://getfirebug.com
> >   2. Open Firebug

> >   3. closehttp://getfirebug.com(theweb page, not Firebug).

> >   4. go on vacation
> >   5. Openhttp://getfirebug.com
> > Firebug opens and you don't want it?
>
> Correct.
>
> > If so, then the issue here is that Firebug does not know you went on
> > vacation. It has no way to tell the difference between the scenario
> > above and
> >   1. Openhttp://getfirebug.com
> >   2. Open Firebug
> >   3. reloadhttp://getfirebug.com
>
> But doesn't FB know it's current state? Like if I'm on A.com now, and
> it's closed, and I click a link to go to B.com, even if the last time
> I was at B.com it was open, just a second ago it was closed. It knew
> it was closed. I get that it's nice to remember "Hey, last time I was
> on B so let me open again.", but it would be nice to have an option to
> enable/disable it.

The option is "Click off on B.com" ;-)

>
> I guess I see the first scenario as different from your second one. In
> your second one, in the UI, FB is open. It should stay open forever
> until I close it, no matter where I click. Ditto for closing.

You can try Right click "On for All pages" and then "Clear Activation
List" to turn everything off. But I do not recommend these generally.
They fail for most users because they don't really want "On for All
Pages", they want "Read My Mind and Be On When I Think It". We've not
been able to develop that feature ;-).

>
> > Plus many users like Firebug to open on the sites they develop on,
> > without having to do anything. That is how it works, but it means if
> > you don't want it to open onhttp://getfirebug.com afteryou open it,
> > then you need to turn Firebug off before you close.
>
> I guess I'll start closing FB. But do you at least see where this can
> be surprising?

I agree that Firebug's activation behavior is complicated. The core
problem is that users insist on using Firefox for both Firebug and non-
Firebug work. That means we need to be active on some pages and not on
others. So we have to a way for users to tell us which pages they want
to use Firebug on. I suppose a simple On or Off would be less
surprising, but it would also be a lot less useful for lots of users.

jjb