getfirebug.com and its wiki are not up-to-date
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Sebo
Apr 20, 2010, 5:37:41 AM4/20/10
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Firebug is evolving fast. So should do its website.
Take for example http://getfirebug.com/network. The network panel
shown in the screenshots is not looking like so at all anymore (see FB
1.5 or even 1.6) and several (new) features are not described like e.
g. the timeline info popup or the "Cache" tab for cached files etc.
Of course the wiki is free to be edited by the community, but there's
still a big gap of feature descriptions. And the persons, which know
best about the features of Firebug, are the developers themselves. I
already saw many issues at the Google Code pages of Firebug and also
some newsgroup entries, that could have been avoided, if the wiki
would describe Firebug's features (even hidden ones) and be more up-to-
date.
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Take for example http://getfirebug.com/network. The network panel
shown in the screenshots is not looking like so at all anymore (see FB
1.5 or even 1.6) and several (new) features are not described like e.
g. the timeline info popup or the "Cache" tab for cached files etc.
Of course the wiki is free to be edited by the community, but there's
still a big gap of feature descriptions. And the persons, which know
best about the features of Firebug, are the developers themselves. I
already saw many issues at the Google Code pages of Firebug and also
some newsgroup entries, that could have been avoided, if the wiki
would describe Firebug's features (even hidden ones) and be more up-to-
date.
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Honza (Jan Odvarko)
Apr 20, 2010, 7:08:15 AM4/20/10
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Yes, agree the current page is quite outdated.
Please report a new bug here:
http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/entry?template=Documentation%20defect%20report
so it's not forgotten and I'll take a look at it.
Thanks!
Honza
On Apr 20, 11:37 am, Sebo <sebastianzart...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Firebug is evolving fast. So should do its website.
> Take for examplehttp://getfirebug.com/network. The network panel
Please report a new bug here:
http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/entry?template=Documentation%20defect%20report
so it's not forgotten and I'll take a look at it.
Thanks!
Honza
On Apr 20, 11:37 am, Sebo <sebastianzart...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Firebug is evolving fast. So should do its website.
John J Barton
Apr 20, 2010, 9:40:03 AM4/20/10
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On Apr 20, 2:37 am, Sebo <sebastianzart...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Firebug is evolving fast. So should do its website.
> shown in the screenshots is not looking like so at all anymore (see FB
> 1.5 or even 1.6) and several (new) features are not described like e.
> g. the timeline info popup or the "Cache" tab for cached files etc.
> Of course the wiki is free to be edited by the community, but there's
> still a big gap of feature descriptions. And the persons, which know
> best about the features of Firebug, are the developers themselves. I
But the developers description of these features may not be the best
> 1.5 or even 1.6) and several (new) features are not described like e.
> g. the timeline info popup or the "Cache" tab for cached files etc.
> Of course the wiki is free to be edited by the community, but there's
> still a big gap of feature descriptions. And the persons, which know
> best about the features of Firebug, are the developers themselves. I
ones and any way don't exist as you say.
> already saw many issues at the Google Code pages of Firebug and also
> some newsgroup entries, that could have been avoided, if the wiki
> would describe Firebug's features (even hidden ones) and be more up-to-
> date.
any details.
jjb
Sebo
Apr 22, 2010, 2:21:45 AM4/22/10
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Thanks Honza, I posted the issue (http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/
detail?id=3026).
> But the developers description of these features may not be the best
> ones and any way don't exist as you say.
John, I know, that a developer will have a different view to the
features he was implementing and maybe sometimes will describe it too
technically and might be using internal terms, which the users won't
know. But though they have the best knowledge of the things
implemented in Firebug and for example I'm sure most of the people
don't know about the tweaks of Firebug "under the hood" in
about:config (including me :-) ). And the fact, that they don't exist
was the reason to open this thread. I know you guys are already busy
with development and the documentation may be a boring thing, but
though the people out there need it to get to know about your
extension. And as Steven Roussey already mentioned in
http://groups.google.com/group/firebug-working-group/msg/fdabd465ef2cacbc
in the Firebug User Survey thread this would be the first step to
implement a "Tips" tab.
> So take action: update the wiki! Don't worry about accuracy we can fix
> any details.
I'm on it. Though I'll need help of some of you guys because of the
reasons mentioned above. I would start describing the different panels.
detail?id=3026).
> But the developers description of these features may not be the best
> ones and any way don't exist as you say.
features he was implementing and maybe sometimes will describe it too
technically and might be using internal terms, which the users won't
know. But though they have the best knowledge of the things
implemented in Firebug and for example I'm sure most of the people
don't know about the tweaks of Firebug "under the hood" in
about:config (including me :-) ). And the fact, that they don't exist
was the reason to open this thread. I know you guys are already busy
with development and the documentation may be a boring thing, but
though the people out there need it to get to know about your
extension. And as Steven Roussey already mentioned in
http://groups.google.com/group/firebug-working-group/msg/fdabd465ef2cacbc
in the Firebug User Survey thread this would be the first step to
implement a "Tips" tab.
> So take action: update the wiki! Don't worry about accuracy we can fix
> any details.
reasons mentioned above. I would start describing the different panels.
Mike Ratcliffe
Apr 22, 2010, 4:17:10 AM4/22/10
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I will be happy to update the Inspector page(s), I know it is very out
of date.
On Apr 22, 8:21 am, Sebo <sebastianzart...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Thanks Honza, I posted the issue (http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/
> detail?id=3026).
>
> > But the developers description of these features may not be the best
> > ones and any way don't exist as you say.
>
> John, I know, that a developer will have a different view to the
> features he was implementing and maybe sometimes will describe it too
> technically and might be using internal terms, which the users won't
> know. But though they have the best knowledge of the things
> implemented in Firebug and for example I'm sure most of the people
> don't know about the tweaks of Firebug "under the hood" in
> about:config (including me :-) ). And the fact, that they don't exist
> was the reason to open this thread. I know you guys are already busy
> with development and the documentation may be a boring thing, but
> though the people out there need it to get to know about your
> extension. And as Steven Roussey already mentioned inhttp://groups.google.com/group/firebug-working-group/msg/fdabd465ef2c...
of date.
On Apr 22, 8:21 am, Sebo <sebastianzart...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Thanks Honza, I posted the issue (http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/
> detail?id=3026).
>
> > But the developers description of these features may not be the best
> > ones and any way don't exist as you say.
>
> John, I know, that a developer will have a different view to the
> features he was implementing and maybe sometimes will describe it too
> technically and might be using internal terms, which the users won't
> know. But though they have the best knowledge of the things
> implemented in Firebug and for example I'm sure most of the people
> don't know about the tweaks of Firebug "under the hood" in
> about:config (including me :-) ). And the fact, that they don't exist
> was the reason to open this thread. I know you guys are already busy
> with development and the documentation may be a boring thing, but
> though the people out there need it to get to know about your
Sebo
Apr 22, 2010, 5:46:50 AM4/22/10
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Thanks Mike, that would be great!
But there's already the problem. :-) Because in the wiki I'm not
finding pages about the inspector. So which ones do you mean?
For the feature description pages (under "What is Firebug?") I already
made some screenshots using Firebug 1.6 I can provide. Just need to
know where to put them.
But there's already the problem. :-) Because in the wiki I'm not
finding pages about the inspector. So which ones do you mean?
For the feature description pages (under "What is Firebug?") I already
made some screenshots using Firebug 1.6 I can provide. Just need to
know where to put them.
Honza (Jan Odvarko)
Apr 22, 2010, 8:02:23 AM4/22/10
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> I'm on it. Though I'll need help of some of you guys because of the
> reasons mentioned above. I would start describing the different panels.
Great!
> reasons mentioned above. I would start describing the different panels.
Here are couple of my posts about the Net panel I did in the past.
http://www.softwareishard.com/blog/firebug/introduction-to-firebug-net-panel/
http://www.softwareishard.com/blog/firebug/firebug-net-panel-timings/
If you have any questions, ask here or under the
http://code.google.com/p/fbug/issues/detail?id=3026
(I am now cced on the report)
Thanks!
Honza
Mike Ratcliffe
Apr 22, 2010, 1:19:46 PM4/22/10
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It seems like some pages are not linked for some reason ... maybe they
have not been moved from the previous pages properly.
I can see why ... there is no "Using Firebug" category and this is
probably what users would want.
We had quite a bit of information on our old site, I am not sure why
it was not added.
have not been moved from the previous pages properly.
I can see why ... there is no "Using Firebug" category and this is
probably what users would want.
We had quite a bit of information on our old site, I am not sure why
it was not added.
Mike Ratcliffe
Apr 22, 2010, 3:07:01 PM4/22/10
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I see now, these types of pages are on getfirebug.com and not on the
wiki.
Sorry about that.
On Apr 22, 7:19 pm, Mike Ratcliffe <mich...@ratcliffefamily.org>
wrote:
wiki.
Sorry about that.
On Apr 22, 7:19 pm, Mike Ratcliffe <mich...@ratcliffefamily.org>
wrote:
Sebo
Apr 23, 2010, 2:00:41 AM4/23/10
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Yes, that's what I was describing in my first post. Though - as
already mentioned - this is also totally outdated.
You're right, users want to know about exactly that, but besides
praising the features at getfirebug.com they should also be documented
(more detailed) inside the wiki. At best the feature "teasers" should
link to the wiki then.
On Apr 22, 9:07 pm, Mike Ratcliffe <mich...@ratcliffefamily.org>
already mentioned - this is also totally outdated.
You're right, users want to know about exactly that, but besides
praising the features at getfirebug.com they should also be documented
(more detailed) inside the wiki. At best the feature "teasers" should
link to the wiki then.
On Apr 22, 9:07 pm, Mike Ratcliffe <mich...@ratcliffefamily.org>
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