Will There Be A Cats And Dogs 4

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Brinda

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Aug 5, 2024, 2:10:13 PM8/5/24
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Iremember a news report from a while back that claimed that a man in his 80s died while sitting in an easy chair. After some time, family and neighbors began to become concerned that they hadn't heard from him and he wasn't responding to phone calls or emails. They asked police to carry out a wellness check, and when they entered the apartment they found the man, dead.

While the news report couched this as a wonderful example of love and loyalty on the part of the dog, in my more skeptical scientific mind, I wondered just how atypical this behavior was, given the fact that dogs (and cats) are carnivores and my expectation would have been that even the most loving pet would have tried to stay alive by eating the body of their dead owner.


Recently, a friend of mine alerted me to the fact that there were discussion streams on Reddit and Quora with people musing about whether their pets would eat them if they died alone with no one around to protect their body. Most of the entries were anecdotes and opinions.


When I checked to see what research data was available, I found that the scientific literature on this topic was really quite scant. Most of the journal articles focused on the forensic science, assessing specific cases and attempting to determine the nature, extent, location, and sequence of bite wounds, most commonly in single case studies.


I could find no one tracking the frequency or probability of pets scavenging their dead owners. I found only one study, from a French team of investigators headed by Thomas Colard at the University of Lille, which looked at a large enough sample (63 cases) to allow reaching some conclusions about the general pattern of how a pet might consume their deceased owner. However, I could find nothing about the likelihood that such predation would actually happen.


Historically, there are many references to dogs eating dead human bodies. The Bible refers to Jezebel, wife of the seventh King of Israel, Ahab, who persecuted the prophet Elijah, and ultimately was thrown out of a castle window and left to be eaten by dogs. Homer makes several references to bodies being eaten by dogs in the Iliad, and some Islamic communities (in East Africa) consider dogs to be unclean because they believe that they ate the body of the Prophet Mohammed.


In the absence of systematic data, I decided to gather some reports from three first responders to see if some information about the question could be found. All reported observing differences in the behavior of pet cats and pet dogs in this situation.


One woman who worked for the SPCA and was often called out to rescue pets when an owner died said, "The dogs guarded their owner's body even if they are normally gentle dogs. They often were quite aggressive when guarding the body, but they didn't eat it. I believe many dogs will starve to death before eating their owner. On the other hand the ME [medical examiner] on several cases told me that they observed evidence that the person's pet cats had been biting or eating the body."


A retired police officer sheds a bit more light on the situation. "In my 20 years on the force, I encountered several cases where a person had died indoors and only their pets were around. Recollecting these, it seems that if the person was newly deceased, their dogs would leave them alone, hover near them, or even try to protect them."


Yet the officer added: "Once the body had started to putrefy, all bets were off. I remember a couple of cases where the dog ate part of the decomposing body. I believe that that was because, once decay set in, the scent clues that identify the body as their owner were gone. On the other hand, I seem to recall that at least in half of the cases where the body was discovered within 48 hours, there was evidence that pet cats had been nibbling on the corpse."


There is some data provided by the French study I mentioned earlier. They found that in 24 percent of the cases when the body was discovered within a day, there was some evidence that dogs had consumed at least some part of the deceased.


In the absence of more solid data I, at least, have reached the tentative conclusion that if I die and no one is around for a while, my cat would be more likely to eat me over the short run, while my dog would wait around a while before consuming me. Personally, if I am dead, I have no particular need for my body and if it sustains my pets until they are rescued, that is fine with me.


I can NOT find a description of the sound that cats, dogs, and deer hate. Certainly it will vary. I just want to be able to "say" my jack-o-lantern deters animals who will eat it. A deer ate neighbors! I already have ESP32 making the flickering light reminisent of a candle but pissed off i can't find data on ultrasonic deterence of animals.


If you want to find out what commercial products use, use a Google search phrase that contains the word 'patent', for example 'patent ultrasonic repeller Hz'. Add the animal of choice to narrow the range of results.


The moment there's motion nearby, the "alarm" goes off. One or more pulses of sound. Some 25 kHz may work well to scare off the animals (a quick Google search tells me deer can hear up to some 30 kHz; dogs up to some 45 kHz; cats almost double that - but invariably sensitivity goes way down at high frequencies). With amplification you may even push it to as loud as 110 or 120 dB.


My wife is a biologist. Like you I wanted to build something to keep squirrels out of our cherry tree. She responded that "critter chasers" advertised in Popular Mechanics and other magazines (usually with a male audience) are bunk.


Critters from chipmunks to bears are startled by sudden noise that they haven't heard before. Most will leave the area. But over time- a few hours or days, they become accustomed to the noise and since no harm comes from it, they ignore it. Note all the wildlife in our neighborhood just a few hundred feet from a freeway. We have had wild turkeys, deer and a confirmed bear. The freeway noise bothers me more than them.


SteveMann:

Critters from chipmunks to bears are startled by sudden noise that they haven't heard before. Most will leave the area. But over time- a few hours or days, they become accustomed to the noise and since no harm comes from it, they ignore it. Note all the wildlife in our neighborhood just a few hundred feet from a freeway. We have had wild turkeys, deer and a confirmed bear. The freeway noise bothers me more than them.


It makes me so angry that cats and dogs are abandoned, ending up lost, alone, and betrayed by the people they thought loved them. The lucky ones find their way to my program, often through the outstanding work of my colleagues at North Shore Animal League America (NSALA).


Rescued with her sister Riley in August 2022, Koda is very nervous about new people and spaces. She used to have Riley at her side to boost her confidence, but since Riley was adopted, Koda has had to tackle the world on her own.


Every year, countless domestic rabbits are bred to be sold. But once the novelty wears off and people realize rabbits are very high-maintenance, destructive pets, these poor bunnies end up abandoned in parks or on the street, where they simply cannot survive.


Other dog walkers might only really enjoy nature vicariously through the obvious happiness and enjoyment of their pets, and are motivated by taking responsibility for their welfare seriously. As dogs need exercise even in wet weather I expect at those times being out in nature has even less to do with nature connectedness in comparison with non dog walkers!


The effects of LSD on nature relatedness seem very small and there are some dubious stats in one part. How did they get this published? The very idea of medicating ourselves out of the environmental crisis with a controlled drug seems bizarre.


The short answer is no. It is, as we shall see, certainly not unknown for foxes to attack cats and, more rarely, dogs or people; but none of these incidents are likely. I must say from the start that I understand and appreciate that this is a sensitive subject and that all the statistics in the world offer no consolation to someone who has lost a beloved family pet to a fox; nor to anyone who has been injured, or whose child has been injured, by a fox. I feel, however, that it is important maintain a sense of perspective and to understand that the fact such events do happen, does not mean that they are common occurrences. That which follows is a summary of the information currently available regarding the occurrence of fox attacks on people, cats and dogs.


Outside of the UK, especially in parts of Europe, India and America where foxes are a vector for rabies, attacks are reasonably well known, but still far from commonplace. In Britain, they are even more infrequently reported and, until recently, received little widespread media attention.


This story attracted much media attention and was broadcast around the world; various fox experts expressed their surprise at the incident and some questioned whether a pet cat or dog that was actually to blame. In the documentary on the incident broadcast by the BBC, the Koupparis family reiterated that it was most definitely a fox and explained that they do not have any pets.


First and foremost, this means that only a small amount of appropriate food should be put down. A couple of handfuls of dog biscuits or peanuts sprinkled on the ground is sufficient to delay a fox long enough to get some decent views and photos. The issues associated with over-feeding (increased local disturbance, higher fox densities, etc.) are well documented. Similarly, foxes should not be fed chocolate, cakes or other high sugar, high fat, processed foods. In addition, never encourage the fox to take food from your hand and never entice them into your house. I know several people who do both and have never had an issue; but in my opinion it is courting trouble. Foxes are opportunists and, while some are likely to be more prone to enter a house from the outset looking for a meal, others may make the mental link that houses are good places to look for food if some well-meaning human sows the seed, so to speak.

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