USR X2 Modems . Do they Work??? Or just hype.
doug haire
[de-spammed follow-up]
Whine all you want...
I have 3 X2 modems and I have a few places to call that support that
technology. When the standard comes out, I will get the upgrade to that
too. You may trot along at a max of 33600 until that, if you wish, I
prefer to use what *is* available now.
I am still waiting for those folks to show us the fantastic high connect
(and sustained) rates of the Rockwell/Lucent camp. Maybe they will appear
about the same time as the 56K standard...
David Geddes (ecb...@oven.com) wrote:
:
: Badguy <bad...@themall.net> wrote in article
: <01bc40be$d6ada780$b26acad0@tony>...
: | Frank <f...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
: | <MPG.dae1e941...@news.wired2.net>...
: | > got new USR X2 modem. My service provider is on USR x2 modems
: | > also. Best connect speed I can Get is 28800.
: | > Usr tec support lines show best connect speed I get 33600 in
: | > 33300 out. Anybody have any Ideas? Are is X2 really XShit.
: | >
: | > f...@mindspring.com
: |
: | Of course it's shit. Assuming you have a true 56k (which is actually
: 53k,
: | false advertising) the highest you will probably connect is 48. If you
: | bought a 33.6 and are waiting for your upgrade, good luck. Thats what I
: | did, and boy am I sorry.
: |
: Plus, from what I hear, most companies won't be going along with the US
: Robotics 56k standards. Others are waiting for someone else (I think
: Lucent Tech., maybe?) to come up with another standard. Who will set the
: standard? Who will win the battle of USR vs. the world? Well, I won't be
: spending $ 200 on that bet.... You may want to wait till it's decided, or
: you may find that no one has a USR 56k for you to connect to
: anyway......Just a thought.
: |
: | --------------------------------------------------------------------
: | Unhappy with US Robotics?
: | Join the Better Business Bureau complaint against them
: | http://www.themall.net/~bmczines/fuckusr.htm
: |
: |
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Dune
Clipped news groups except modem groups for follow up.
Jim Cummings <j...@starlinx.com.DELETE.THIS.TO.EMAIL.ME> wrote in article
<33453dc4...@news.starlinx.com>...
> f...@mindspring.com (Frank) wrote:
>
> >got new USR X2 modem. My service provider is on USR x2 modems
> >also. Best connect speed I can Get is 28800.
> >Usr tec support lines show best connect speed I get 33600 in
> >33300 out. Anybody have any Ideas? Are is X2 really XShit.
>
> Sounds like your setup, phone lines or ISP is $HIT. I get 44-48K
> conencts every time.
>
> Jim Cummings <j...@starlinx.com>
A note on this the X2 ISP list at USR is not correct. One listing is Netcom
which in it's Faq has no plans of even going to 33.6 at this time.( A
"special service" may come at a later date)
Mike Myers
On 5 Apr 1997 04:46:17 GMT, "Dune" <du...@arrakis.com> wrote:
>A note on this the X2 ISP list at USR is not correct. One listing is Netcom
>which in it's Faq has no plans of even going to 33.6 at this time.( A
>"special service" may come at a later date)
Netcom in the UK is 33k6 already and will be going x2 as soon as it
arrives I think..
I wish I could get on the Pipex x2 trial :).. Demon wont even support
x2..
Later
Mike
Donn Hayes
In article <5i2nj9$p10$2...@news.gate.net>,
d.h...@gate.net (doug haire) wrote:
>[de-spammed follow-up]
>
>Whine all you want...
>
>I have 3 X2 modems and I have a few places to call that support that
>technology. When the standard comes out, I will get the upgrade to that
>too. You may trot along at a max of 33600 until that, if you wish, I
>prefer to use what *is* available now.
>
>I am still waiting for those folks to show us the fantastic high connect
>(and sustained) rates of the Rockwell/Lucent camp. Maybe they will appear
>about the same time as the 56K standard...
>
>David Geddes (ecb...@oven.com) wrote:
>:
>: Badguy <bad...@themall.net> wrote in article
>: <01bc40be$d6ada780$b26acad0@tony>...
>: | Frank <f...@mindspring.com> wrote in article
>: | <MPG.dae1e941...@news.wired2.net>...
>: | > got new USR X2 modem. My service provider is on USR x2 modems
>: | > also. Best connect speed I can Get is 28800.
>: | > Usr tec support lines show best connect speed I get 33600 in
>: | > 33300 out. Anybody have any Ideas? Are is X2 really XShit.
>: | >
>: | > f...@mindspring.com
>: |
>: | Of course it's shit. Assuming you have a true 56k (which is actually
>: 53k,
>: | false advertising) the highest you will probably connect is 48. If you
>: | bought a 33.6 and are waiting for your upgrade, good luck. Thats what I
>: | did, and boy am I sorry.
>: |
>: Plus, from what I hear, most companies won't be going along with the US
>: Robotics 56k standards. Others are waiting for someone else (I think
>: Lucent Tech., maybe?) to come up with another standard. Who will set the
>: standard? Who will win the battle of USR vs. the world? Well, I won't be
>: spending $ 200 on that bet.... You may want to wait till it's decided, or
>: you may find that no one has a USR 56k for you to connect to
>: anyway......Just a thought.
>: |
>: | --------------------------------------------------------------------
>: | Unhappy with US Robotics?
>: | Join the Better Business Bureau complaint against them
>: | http://www.themall.net/~bmczines/fuckusr.htm
>: |
>: |
>
>--
>[[ my actual login name is dhaire, not d.haire ]]
>
HMMMM....
FWIW....
just got connected to my ISP with X2 about 3-4 days ago and MOST of my
connection speeds are 49333 with an occasional 48000 (no 53 but I'm not
complaining...all Internet activity is MUCH snappier:-). Flashromed my
Courier (for free BTW) with no problems a cuppla weeks ago and the wait was
for my ISP. My experience is that this is only the INITIAL connect and
then it usually goes up (mapping this with IPNetMonitor which gives me a
readout on peaks and average thruput).
I am in the mountains outside of Denver so that is MANY miles to my Denver
connect number. (you have tried connecting to your ISP's number and then
signing off and using the ati11 command to diagnose....yes? Be sure to
check for multiple CODECS). X2 is sensitive to noise on the line. Try to
bribe a phone tech to look at your line. Around here buying them breakfast
at the local hangout in the AM sometimes works. Calling the phone company
usually only yeilds the obligatory raps about only guaranteeing 9600 baud
connections :-/
Donn Hayes
Ricky Beam - Interpath
JNa...@NavasGrp.Dublin.CA.US (John Navas) writes:
>[POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems]
>"Chris Kenny" <cke...@netcom.ca> wrote:
>>I have a 56k USR modem and am consistently getting 46.666k. What happened
>>to the 56k or even 53k as they advertise? I have sent USR email on this
>>subject as yet with no reply. Does anyone have a solution? I have spoken
>>to both my ISP and phone company on this matter.
Chris,
Complaining to USR will get limited results; there is little they can do about
your phone line(s). Complaining to the ISP is next to worthless; they
obviously have a digital telco interface or you would not be getting an x2
connection. Complaining to the phone company, while they will be the only
ones likely to be able to make much of a difference, will usually prove
usuless as they don't care... it connected didn't it? You line is provisioned
(what ever they want to call it) as a voice line, not a data circuit. As such,
the telco is only obligated to make it work for VOICE quality -- your ears
are orders of magnatude less picky about the line.
>That is a typical speed. Speeds may improve as the technology matures,
>but I personally doubt that most people will ever exceed 50K. Still, it
>is a big jump over V.34. Perhaps a more appropriate name for the
>technology would be x1.5. <g>
John,
As per the reports from USR, 43K is about average. I have gotten 52K
connections, but I was cheating... I had the modem connected to an ISDN
device :-) I don't get x2 connection from my apartment for some unknown
reason. The is realitively clean at v.34. And the modems frequency
analysis tends to indicate the line is clean enough for x2. I can hear it
try to link up (the solid tone) but then drops to the v.34 neg.
Oh, those of you actually getting x2 connections, pay attention to the number
of retrans and BLERs. As I have seen, the modem spends a good deal of time
desiding what speed it will run at.
--Ricky
Poker Face
In article <5i97qj$m...@redstone.interpath.net>, jfb...@lacota.interpath.net (Ricky Beam - Interpath) wrote:
<snip>
>
>Oh, those of you actually getting x2 connections, pay attention to the number
>of retrans and BLERs. As I have seen, the modem spends a good deal of time
>desiding what speed it will run at.
>
>--Ricky
How do I check that? When the modem hangs up it resets and clears the info.
BTW I am connecting mostly at 49333 and once at 50666.
John Navas
[POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems]
shu...@deal.em (Poker Face) wrote:
You must hack the Registry to keep the modem from being reset. See my
FAQ.
--
Best regards,
John mailto:JNa...@NavasGrp.Dublin.CA.US http://www.aimnet.com/~jnavas/
28800 Modem FAQ: http://www.aimnet.com/~jnavas/modem/faq.html
John Navas
[POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems]
ju...@xs4all.DELTHIS.nl wrote:
>My advice to all those having bought a USR 33k6 modem
>(and not yet upgraded to x2 or never will be able to):
>
>Change the 'auto-speed-detection' into AT&U$ en AT&N16
>in your default startup stringz. Where the $ is the highest possible
>speed you can think of getting any bottom-speed-connection
>with for sure (in my case it's set to AT&U6 (9600) to still
>be able to connect with old fax-machines).
>AT&N16 (33k6) is the top value most of the time
>when you have a 33k6 modem.
>This will considerably shorten the handshaking
>and logging-in times on most usr-modems as well!
>If you never get connects slower than 28k8
>you can make it even shorter by changing AT&U
>to match that value (=AT&U14 or AT&U13 to be safe).
>...
No offense, but I'm afraid that in most cases this is bad advice --
although it might help in working around a particular and unusually bad
line condition, setting a speed range with &Un&Nn will not affect the
negotiation speed (handshaking time) of a normal connection.
Ricky Beam - Interpath
shu...@deal.em (Poker Face) writes:
>In article <5i97qj$m...@redstone.interpath.net>, jfb...@lacota.interpath.net (Ricky Beam - Interpath) wrote:
> >Oh, those of you actually getting x2 connections, pay attention to the number
> >of retrans and BLERs. As I have seen, the modem spends a good deal of time
> >desiding what speed it will run at.
>
>BTW I am connecting mostly at 49333 and once at 50666.
The Courier doesn't and I don't think the Sportsers do either:
ati6 and ati11
--Ricky
John Navas
[POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems]
lsa...@erols.com (Jennifer) wrote:
>... I am looking into
>changing the dialing strings to my modem but haven't gotten the
>strings yet and still haven't found out where to put them.....and "no"
>ctrl panel - modems - advanced - extra settings doesn't work. ...
It does work -- I use it all the time.
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
[All the various warez groups excised; I have no desire to get UCEed by
the type that trawl *those* groups: moreover, now we know why the
language is so strong in this thread!]
In article <5ibtku$o...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk>
m...@danmac.softnet.co.uk "Dan MacGregor" writes:
> >That would come as a shock to those who did the testing OUTSIDE THE
> LAB!
> >
> >. and the clueless 'experts' continue to spew!
>
> Well I must say, I'm not surprised in the least. It's always the same
> people spouting the same uninformed BS all the time...
>
> This new IE4 news program has newsgroup filtering - that could be
> very useful, no? <g>
And has it got anything to protect the rest of us from clueless owner-
drivers, who manage to post the identical message four times in the same
second of the day?
--
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} b...@dsl.co.uk
"We've heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could produce
the Complete Works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know
this is not true." Robert Wilensky, University of California
John Navas
[POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems]
"Paul Owen" <not...@goaway.co.uk> wrote:
>According to US Robotics and also Rockwell (who make the 'other' 56.6kbps
>chipset), the maximum speed is 56.6kbps on a good connection. In the United
>States the FCC restrict this to a little over 53kbps, in the rest of the
>world the speed remains at 56.6
Please don't facilitate the spread of urban myths (misinformation).
The FCC makes no such restriction. There is a long-stannding FCC rule
about maximum power that was well-known to modem companies, but it does
not directly limit 56K speed -- the use of more sophisticated coding can
deal with the power limitation. The FCC is just being used as a
convenient skapegoat/excuse for not achieving the promised 56K speeds.
Speeds will be no higher over comparable connections outside of the USA.
Please also stop the massive cross-posting to inappropriate newsgroups.
John Navas
[POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems]
dl...@primenet.nospamcom (Dennis L) wrote:
>>Actually, V.FC was only to "be the 28.8 standard" in the eyes of Rockwell and its'
>>supporters. It was their feeble attempt at gaining market share by foisting off
>>an inferior protocol on the masses before the ITU-T had completed itw' work on
>>v.34 - the actual standard. USR had nothing to do with "fucking it up", altho
>>'fucking' would seem an appropriate way to describe what Rockwell did to its'
>>v.FC customers!
>
>USR had lots to do with it, but I suppose it's pointless to argue.
That simply isn't true.
>Remember Class 2 fax modems? USR meddled with this too, thus 2.0 class modems
>were born.
Class 2 is not a real standard. The real standard is Class 2.0, which USR
supports.
p.s. Please help stop the massive inappropriate cross-posting of this
thread.
John Navas
[POSTED TO comp.dcom.modems]
"Doppleganger" <death...@usa.net_or_hotmail.com> wrote:
>You know i have seen this so much it is funny, don't believe the hype,
>software upgrading does not make a difference worthy of true harware for a
>couple of reasons, this is just an advertising ploy to get people to buy
>(it is the buy now upgrade free later that everyone will want to buy our
>product belief people have ploy). Belive me I have a 33.6 Kbps modem and my
>ISP has a 28.8 Kbps which I depending on the time of day and number of
>users get a 57.6 Kbps connection due to compression, my friend who has the
>same modem gets a connection of 115.2 Kbps since his ISP uses 33.6 Kbps
>modems entirely,
No, those are the serial port speeds, not the modem connection speeds.
>they are new around here but long distance, but my ISP is
>going to get all 33.6 Kbps modems, also even a good modem doesn't mean
>squat, cause generally the only time you actually get the full effect of
>the connection i on E-Mail transit and New Group transit since the servers
>already have it there to pull from them, but over the internet makes very
>little difference in any case since it matter at what bandwidth your ISP is
>pulling and transmitting and what kind of connections are thru the enitre
>line of access, ex. a 57.6 Kbps connection to ISP, a T3 connection to the
>internet hub, all the routing done thru the hub (each connection you must
>navigate), and aT1 connection o the other server with a lower bandwidth may
>end up with an actual 14.4 Kbps through-put. So it makes no difference at
>all, ...
While that is true in some cases, it is not true of the internet in
general. Running FTP from a well-connected ISP I often see transfers from
remote sites in the 20,000-30,000 bytes/second range (or more).
>... and for those with Win95 there is a way you can trace the route and
>the number of connections without any other program.
> 1 Goto Start on the toolbar and click Run.
> 2 type command and press enter (this will give you a DOS box)
> 3 type tracert (short for trace route) and space then type address such as
> http://www.zdnet.com and press enter.
>
>From this you will get a full report on the time it took to access
Those are round-trip response times that do not relate directly to
throughput.
>and the
>number of connections made. If an * appears the info was lost in transit,
>on the above address I got 12 total connections.
Those are hops, not connections.