American vs Russian
Sergei Kostarev
18 Jun 99 16:26, you wrote to Alexander Vasilyev:
MI> So what ? Russian lifestyle - vodka,
It's a cliche. There are drunkards all over the world, no exceptions for any
country. Alcoholism is a common human problem, like drugs or smoking.
MI> american - sports.
I don't think americans go more in for sports than others. As for fitness and
widely advertised home exercisers - one have to have will to keep oneself
working out. I think those exercisers are being covered with dust and cobwebs
on the shelves and in the attics soon after buying.
MI> They are not fat, not ugly.
Fat, fat, he's right, they're fat. What average American mostly does?
Drinks beer, eats doughnuts, sits back watching TV, and drive his car. They
always go by car, anywhere, even two blocks away. More food, less movement.
Fewer russians have cars, so - russians walk more than americans.
But damn americans want to spoil us, taking away even this little advantage!
They're selling us their holliwood movies and series so that we spend more time
at TVs and selling us their cars and food to make us fatter. It's a diversion!
8-)
MI> It's just envy and anger glows in your brain.
That's right! Why should we like them? They're enemies! 8-) 8-)
MI> I'd give all for a chance for Russia to acheeve even 10% of USA's
MI> acheevements.
Thank you for your being so generous giving us those 10%. We'll do our best. 8)
MI> NATO kicks ass a facistic motherfucker Miloshevitch, may be using
MI> barbarian methods, but this way Miloshevith will pay for his sins amd
MI> henocide.
Innocent people pay with their lives. Do you like it? Amen. After americans
started invasion, much much more people died and troubled.
MI> FACISM MUST DIE ! Never again !
Relax, no fascism. Americans just wanted to train their army, to practice, to
spend military budget and to get rid of military supplies in stock to make
newer ones. They don't really care about Milosevic or whosoever, it's just an
excuse, don't you get it? Once they smell a smoke of a minor conflict anywhere
- they're already there, eager to do "peacemaking".
Check out this:
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Пpиветствyю тебя, All!
I was sent this and thought it reasonably relevant.
This test consists of one (1) multiple-choice question (so you better
get it right!) Here's a list of the countries that the U.S. has bombed
since the end of World War II, compiled by historian William Blum:
China 1945-46
Korea 1950-53
China 1950-53
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-60
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Peru 1965
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-99
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
In how many of these instances did a democratic government, respectful
of human rights, occur as a direct result? Choose one of the following:
(a) 0
(b) zero
(c) none
(d) not a one
(e) zip
(f) a whole number between -1 and +1
(g) zilch
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MI> Yours faithfuly, Micke AKA Doctor.
Sergei
Vladimir Jarmish
Как сейчас помню... /24 Jun 99/ а было тогда /23:01/, _Sergei Kostarev_
писал(a) к /_Micke Ionas_/ и вот о чем они тут трепались:
MI>> So what ? Russian lifestyle - vodka,
SK> It's a cliche.
not only, there is such a silly thing as statistics :-(
SK> There are drunkards all over the world, no exceptions for any
SK> country. Alcoholism is a common human problem, like drugs or smoking.
for Russia it is a bit more than a 'common problem'...
MI>> american - sports.
SK> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others. As for
SK> fitness and widely advertised home exercisers - one have to have will
SK> to keep oneself working out. I think those exercisers are being
SK> covered with dust and cobwebs on the shelves and in the attics soon
SK> after buying.
this is where you're wrong - it's a matter of style of living - for us - vodka,
for them - sport.
MI>> They are not fat, not ugly.
SK> Fat, fat, he's right, they're fat. What average American mostly
[a load of prejudies is ommited]
SK> little advantage! They're selling us their holliwood movies and
SK> series so that we spend more time at TVs and selling us their cars
SK> and food to make us fatter.
it seems like some kind of delirium to me...
SK> It's a diversion! 8-)
not funny
MI>> It's just envy and anger glows in your brain.
SK> That's right! Why should we like them? They're enemies! 8-) 8-)
U may dislike 'em but what encourages u'r envy...
MI>> I'd give all for a chance for Russia to acheeve even 10% of USA's
MI>> acheevements.
SK> Thank you for your being so generous giving us those 10%. We'll do
SK> our best. 8)
even 8% would be too much...
MI>> NATO kicks ass a facistic motherfucker Miloshevitch, may be using
MI>> barbarian methods, but this way Miloshevith will pay for his sins
MI>> amd henocide.
SK> Innocent people pay with their lives. Do you like it? Amen. After
SK> americans started invasion, much much more people died and troubled.
I'm personaly not advocating NATO so called 'peaceful activity' and think the
price paid was unacceptable... but I can't help asking myself IS IT BETTER NOT
TO DO ANYTHING - JUST SIT AND WATCH ...
MI>> FACISM MUST DIE ! Never again !
SK> Relax, no fascism. Americans just wanted to train their army, to
SK> practice, to spend military budget and to get rid of military supplies
SK> in stock to make newer ones. They don't really care about Milosevic or
SK> whosoever, it's just an excuse, don't you get it? Once they smell a
SK> smoke of a minor conflict anywhere - they're already there, eager to
SK> do "peacemaking".
the truth is out of there (c) YouKnow
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Sergei Kostarev
26 Jun 99 18:13, you wrote to me:
MI>>> So what ? Russian lifestyle - vodka,
SK>> It's a cliche.
VJ> not only, there is such a silly thing as statistics :-(
Well, tell us the numbers, I just don't know them.
If you have the stats - post it here.
SK>> There are drunkards all over the world, no exceptions for any
SK>> country. Alcoholism is a common human problem, like drugs or
SK>> smoking.
VJ> for Russia it is a bit more than a 'common problem'...
Speak numbers. Include other countries, please.
MI>>> american - sports.
SK>> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others. As for
SK>> fitness and widely advertised home exercisers - one have to have
VJ> this is where you're wrong - it's a matter of style of living - for us
VJ> - vodka, for them - sport.
Who told you that? Prove it. I say - eating too much and watching tv is their
style, not sports. Watching sport programs - maybe.
SK>> little advantage! They're selling us their holliwood movies and
SK>> series so that we spend more time at TVs and selling us their
SK>> cars and food to make us fatter.
VJ> it seems like some kind of delirium to me...
It's a joke. But it's got a point, hasn't it? 8-)
SK>> It's a diversion! 8-)
VJ> not funny
Then don't laugh. It's your problem.
MI>>> It's just envy and anger glows in your brain.
SK>> That's right! Why should we like them? They're enemies! 8-) 8-)
VJ> U may dislike 'em but what encourages u'r envy...
You're taking me too serious, look at the smileys.
I don't dislike them, they're people just like us. Envy - yes, sort of.
But not "black" envy. There are things in America that I like, and there are
things that I don't like. They have good points and bad points, like everything
in this world.
But the fact that they live generally better does not mean that they *are*
better. It's just the system.
SK>> Relax, no fascism. Americans just wanted to train their army, to
SK>> practice, to spend military budget and to get rid of military
SK>> supplies in stock to make newer ones. They don't really care
SK>> about Milosevic or whosoever, it's just an excuse, don't you get
SK>> it? Once they smell a smoke of a minor conflict anywhere -
SK>> they're already there, eager to do "peacemaking".
VJ> the truth is out of there (c) YouKnow
You skipped that bombing statistics! No comment, huh? 8-)
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Sergei
Micke Ionas
MI>> So what ? Russian lifestyle - vodka,
SK> It's a cliche. There are drunkards all over the world, no exceptions
SK> for any country. Alcoholism is a common human problem, like drugs or
SK> smoking.
You're surely must know that americans mostly quiting smoking for now. And
alkoholism is russian national problem.
MI>> american - sports.
SK> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others.
Much more than russians.
SK> As for fitness and widely advertised home exercisers - one have to
SK> have will to keep oneself working out. I think those exercisers are
SK> being covered with dust and cobwebs on the shelves and in the attics
SK> soon after buying.
U'd better not to watch TV Shop too much. ;-)
MI>> They are not fat, not ugly.
SK> Fat, fat, he's right, they're fat. What average American mostly does?
SK> Drinks beer, eats doughnuts, sits back watching TV, and drive his car.
He (american) usually runs 1-5 kilometers every morning.
SK> They always go by car, anywhere, even two blocks away. More food, less
SK> movement. Fewer russians have cars, so - russians walk more than
SK> americans.
I can't say than average russian is thin.
SK> But damn americans want to spoil us, taking away even this
SK> little advantage! They're selling us their holliwood movies and series
SK> so that we spend more time at TVs and selling us their cars and food
SK> to make us fatter. It's a diversion! 8-)
;-)))))
MI>> It's just envy and anger glows in your brain.
SK> That's right! Why should we like them? They're enemies! 8-) 8-)
;-))))
MI>> I'd give all for a chance for Russia to acheeve even 10% of USA's
MI>> acheevements.
SK> Thank you for your being so generous giving us those 10%. We'll do our
SK> best. 8)
We'll surely will ! ;-)
MI>> NATO kicks ass a facistic motherfucker Miloshevitch, may be using
MI>> barbarian methods, but this way Miloshevith will pay for his sins
MI>> amd henocide.
SK> Innocent people pay with their lives. Do you like it? Amen. After
SK> americans started invasion, much much more people died and troubled.
Each serb will surely kill an albanian if he'll know that he'll not be
punished.
MI>> FACISM MUST DIE ! Never again !
SK> Relax, no fascism. Americans just wanted to train their army, to
SK> practice, to spend military budget and to get rid of military supplies
SK> in stock to make newer ones. They don't really care about Milosevic or
SK> whosoever, it's just an excuse, don't you get it? Once they smell a
SK> smoke of a minor conflict anywhere - they're already there, eager to
SK> do "peacemaking"
SK> Check out this:
[skip]
SK> This test consists of one (1) multiple-choice question (so you better
SK> get it right!) Here's a list of the countries that the U.S. has bombed
SK> since the end of World War II, compiled by historian William Blum:
SK> China 1945-46
It'was a support for Chan Kai Shee and ass kicking of commies.
SK> Korea 1950-53
Commies still suck !
SK> China 1950-53
Commies must die !
SK> Guatemala 1954
Antitrrostic and antirevolution actions.
SK> Indonesia 1958
SK> Cuba 1959-60
Cold war.
SK> Guatemala 1960
Anticomunistic actions.
SK> Congo 1964
Assistance in kicking the commies and seting the democratic state.
SK> Peru 1965
SK> Laos 1964-73
Kicking red khmer's asses.
SK> Vietnam 1961-73
Kicking commie's asses.
SK> Cambodia 1969-70
Antiterroristic actions.
SK> Guatemala 1967-69
SK> Grenada 1983
SK> Libya 1986
SK> El Salvador 1980s
SK> Nicaragua 1980s
SK> Panama 1989
Antiterrorstic actions and actions against drug cartels.
SK> Iraq 1991-99
Peacemaking actions agains Iraq invasion in Kuvait.
SK> Sudan 1998
?????
SK> Afghanistan 1998
Antiterroristic actions.
SK> Yugoslavia 1999
Peacemaking actions.
All this bombing was either a cold war, or an peacemaking or antiterroristic
actions. Maybe methods were barbarian (Veitnam, Cambogia) and a minor result,
but they tried to protect the innocent and not to tolerate the communism
spreading. It deserves admiration.
Looking forward for Your reply.
Yours faithfuly, Micke AKA Doctor.
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Vladimir Jarmish
Как сейчас помню... /27 Jun 99/ а было тогда /14:28/, _Sergei Kostarev_
писал(a) к /_Vladimir Jarmish_/ и вот о чем они тут трепались:
VJ>> not only, there is such a silly thing as statistics :-(
SK> Well, tell us the numbers, I just don't know them. If you have the
SK> stats - post it here.
I don't have it right now... the meaning is that the consumption of alcohol
is beyond human degeneracy level...
SK>>> There are drunkards all over the world, no exceptions for any
SK>>> country. Alcoholism is a common human problem, like drugs or
SK>>> smoking.
VJ>> for Russia it is a bit more than a 'common problem'...
SK> Speak numbers. Include other countries, please.
if I'm able to find this stuff
SK>>> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others. As
SK>>> for fitness and widely advertised home exercisers - one have to
VJ>> this is where you're wrong - it's a matter of style of living -
VJ>> for us - vodka, for them - sport.
SK> Who told you that? Prove it.
there is no need for it
SK> I say - eating too much and watching tv is their style, not sports.
SK> Watching sport programs - maybe.
and that too
SK>>> little advantage! They're selling us their holliwood movies and
SK>>> series so that we spend more time at TVs and selling us their
SK>>> cars and food to make us fatter.
VJ>> it seems like some kind of delirium to me...
SK> It's a joke. But it's got a point, hasn't it? 8-)
i guess
VJ>> not funny
SK> Then don't laugh. It's your problem.
btw, do u happen to know what does the word "twerp" means
[censored]
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Sergei Kostarev
27 Jun 99 23:03, you wrote to me:
SK>> like drugs or smoking.
MI> You're surely must know that americans mostly quiting smoking for
MI> now.
I just asked an American about the things we discuss here. Here's what he said.
About the smoking - depends on the place. Maybe they quit smoking in California
(where smoking is prohibited by the law in all public places), but there are
still a lot of smokers in NY, Chicago or Texas - the rest of the country.
MI> And alkoholism is russian national problem.
It looks so indeed, but still - americans drink a lot too. As the American
said, you cannot see in America as many drunks in the street as here in Russia,
because americans just avoid to show up drunk in public for the fear being
fined, arrested or they are just ashamed. But they still drink a lot at home or
at the parties.
MI>>> american - sports.
SK>> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others.
MI> Much more than russians.
Perhaps, but it does not seem to do them any good...
So the sports style is just to show off before the neighbours or themselves.
Maybe only a few are persistent enough. It takes pain to workout.
MI>>> They are not fat, not ugly.
SK>> Fat, fat, he's right, they're fat. What average American mostly
SK>> does? Drinks beer, eats doughnuts, sits back watching TV, and
SK>> drive his car.
MI> He (american) usually runs 1-5 kilometers every morning.
Well, about the Americans being fat - it's just a fact beyond any discussion.
When I asked the American (he's been living in Russia a lot, and can really
compare things here and there), where there are more fat people - in America or
in Russia - he replied instanly, without hesitation: "In America, of course!"
So, evidently - jogging and exercises won't help - they're fat, fat, fat! 8-)
MI> Yours faithfuly, Micke AKA Doctor.
Sergei
Anna Pletneva
Tuesday June 29 1999 22:32, Sergei Kostarev wrote to Micke Ionas:
MI>> He (american) usually runs 1-5 kilometers every morning.
SK> Well, about the Americans being fat - it's just a fact beyond any
SK> discussion. When I asked the American (he's been living in Russia a
SK> lot, and can really compare things here and there), where there are
SK> more fat people - in America or in Russia - he replied instanly,
SK> without hesitation: "In America, of course!" So, evidently - jogging
SK> and exercises won't help - they're fat, fat, fat! 8-)
I agree with you. I think Americans are fat because they eat fastfood
(gamburgers, cheesburgers, ets) too much. This food isn't good for healthy and
it's fattening.
PS Sorry for my english spelling... :)
PPS I'm here for the first time.
Anna
Micke Ionas
MI>>> He (american) usually runs 1-5 kilometers every morning.
SK>> Well, about the Americans being fat - it's just a fact beyond any
SK>> discussion. When I asked the American (he's been living in Russia
SK>> a lot, and can really compare things here and there), where there
SK>> are more fat people - in America or in Russia - he replied
SK>> instanly, without hesitation: "In America, of course!" So,
SK>> evidently - jogging and exercises won't help - they're fat, fat,
SK>> fat! 8-)
AP> I agree with you. I think Americans are fat because they eat fastfood
AP> (gamburgers, cheesburgers, ets) too much. This food isn't good for
AP> healthy and it's fattening.
Only nigg..., sorry, african americans from Harlem and oter poor people eat
only fast food. So called middle class feeds normaly.
AP> PS Sorry for my english spelling... :)
Allmost all correct. ;-)
Looking forward for Your reply.
Yours faithfuly, Micke AKA Doctor.
... e-mail: mio...@mail.ru, ICQ UIN: 11575590
Dmitry Vitashov
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26 Июн 99, Vladimir Jarmish ══ Sergei Kostarev:
MI>>> So what ? Russian lifestyle - vodka,
SK>> It's a cliche.
VJ> not only, there is such a silly thing as statistics :-(
Ok. So, please tell me first three places to proove your words.
SK>> There are drunkards all over the world, no exceptions for any
SK>> country. Alcoholism is a common human problem, like drugs or
SK>> smoking.
VJ> for Russia it is a bit more than a 'common problem'...
We don't have much money to consume good, quality drinks, to do it in
civilized manner.
MI>>> american - sports.
SK>> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others. As for
SK>> fitness and widely advertised home exercisers - one have to have
SK>> will to keep oneself working out. I think those exercisers are
SK>> being covered with dust and cobwebs on the shelves and in the
SK>> attics soon after buying.
VJ> this is where you're wrong - it's a matter of style of living - for us
VJ> - vodka, for them - sport.
So, I can make a conclusion, that you and your family drink vodka in every
free time?
SK>> little advantage! They're selling us their holliwood movies and
SK>> series so that we spend more time at TVs and selling us their
SK>> cars and food to make us fatter.
VJ> it seems like some kind of delirium to me...
It's simply to say, but difficult to proove.
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27 Июн 99, Micke Ionas ══ Sergei Kostarev:
SK>> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others.
MI> Much more than russians.
Ok. Where have you taken such information? Watching films?
MI> U'd better not to watch TV Shop too much. ;-)
MI>>> They are not fat, not ugly.
Mayby russians are?
SK>> Fat, fat, he's right, they're fat. What average American mostly
SK>> does? Drinks beer, eats doughnuts, sits back watching TV, and
SK>> drive his car.
MI> He (american) usually runs 1-5 kilometers every morning.
He-he. Headed by Klinton every morning columns of americans wind laps in
central parks. :-)
SK>> They always go by car, anywhere, even two blocks away. More food,
SK>> less movement. Fewer russians have cars, so - russians walk more
SK>> than americans.
MI> I can't say than average russian is thin.
You live in "new russians" district? ;-)
Dmitry Vitashov
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30 Июн 99, Anna Pletneva ══ Sergei Kostarev:
AP> PPS I'm here for the first time.
I hope, not for the last. ;-)
Vladimir Jarmish
Как сейчас помню... /04 Jul 99/ а было тогда /11:20/, _Dmitry Vitashov_
писал(a) к /_Vladimir Jarmish_/ и вот о чем они тут трепались:
MI>>>> So what ? Russian lifestyle - vodka,
SK>>> It's a cliche.
VJ>> not only, there is such a silly thing as statistics :-(
DV> Ok. So, please tell me first three places to proove your words.
Russia is among 'em
SK>>> There are drunkards all over the world, no exceptions for any country.
SK>>> Alcoholism is a common human problem, like drugs or smoking.
VJ>> for Russia it is a bit more than a 'common problem'...
DV> We don't have much money
true
DV> to consume good, quality drinks, to do it in civilized manner.
false
hint: it depends on the mentality and traditions...
MI>>>> american - sports.
SK>>> I don't think americans go more in for sports than others. As
SK>>> for fitness and widely advertised home exercisers - one have to
SK>>> have will to keep oneself working out. I think those exercisers
SK>>> are being covered with dust and cobwebs on the shelves and in
SK>>> the attics soon after buying.
VJ>> this is where you're wrong - it's a matter of style of living -
VJ>> for us - vodka, for them - sport.
DV> So, I can make a conclusion, that you and your family drink vodka in
DV> every free time?
This very conclusion must speak highly of u'r mentality and stuff, huh?
SK>>> little advantage! They're selling us their holliwood movies and
SK>>> series so that we spend more time at TVs and selling us their
SK>>> cars and food to make us fatter.
VJ>> it seems like some kind of delirium to me...
DV> It's simply to say, but difficult to proove.
You know, there are things there is no need to prove... there're clear by the
light of nature...
*Don't lose heart!*
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Dmitry Vitashov
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05 Июл 99, Vladimir Jarmish ══ Dmitry Vitashov:
VJ>>> not only, there is such a silly thing as statistics :-(
DV>> Ok. So, please tell me first three places to proove your
DV>> words.
VJ> Russia is among 'em
I have another information. For example, average russian drinks less then
average german or american.
DV>> to consume good, quality drinks, to do it in civilized manner.
VJ> false
VJ> hint: it depends on the mentality and traditions...
With no money people can forget moral, and you speak about traditions... Of
course, traditions are important, but they're connected with wealth of nation,
people. Common people in Russia never were rich.
DV>> So, I can make a conclusion, that you and your family drink vodka
DV>> in every free time?
VJ> This very conclusion must speak highly of u'r mentality and stuff,
VJ> huh?
It's just conclusion. Too many meanings in your words.
SK>>>> little advantage! They're selling us their holliwood movies and
SK>>>> series so that we spend more time at TVs and selling us their
SK>>>> cars and food to make us fatter.
VJ>>> it seems like some kind of delirium to me...
DV>> It's simply to say, but difficult to proove.
VJ> You know, there are things there is no need to prove... there're clear
VJ> by the light of nature...
Well...