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Alex Korchmar

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�� , � �� .

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Andrey Melnikoff

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:
AK> http://community.livejournal.com/ru_linux/2387656.html

AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ apparmor, О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
AK> О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ apparmor
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ suse О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

PS: О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ /usr/local/lib (О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ freebasd) О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ bind О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫....

Alex Korchmar

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Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

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�� ? �� - apparmor_parser -R, �� .

AM> PS: ��, �� , �� . ��
AM> ��-�� /usr/local/lib (�� freebasd) �� bind
�� , ��
��, �� .
��, � �� bind ��, � �� .
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- �� , �� , �� , �� ,
�� , �� local.

AM> � �� ....
��, �� .

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Andrey Melnikoff

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:
AK> Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ apparmor
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫? О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - apparmor_parser -R, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ suse О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ mkfs.ext3 /dev/О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

AM>> PS: О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ /usr/local/lib (О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ freebasd) О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ bind
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ bind О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫.
О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ rpm? О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ true
slackware way О©╫ suse ?

AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ abstractions/base (О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫)
AK> - О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫,
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ local.

AM>> О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫....
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫

Alex Korchmar

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Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM> � �� - �� rpm?
� � � �� . �� , ��?

AM> �� , ��
AM> ��.
� �� - � �� /local/, �� .

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Andrey Melnikoff

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:
AK> Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM>> О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ rpm?
AK> О©╫ О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫?
HО©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ openssl О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫сё О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
- О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
AK> О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ /local/, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
HО©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

Alex Korchmar

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Dec 14, 2009, 10:35:55 AM12/14/09

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Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM>>> � �� - �� rpm?
AK>> � � � �� . �� , ��?
AM> H�, ��. �� -�� openssl ��,
��
�� rpm -qa , � �� , �� , �, ��
��, �� .

AK>> � �� - � �� /local/, �� .
AM> H� �� .
� �� - �� , �� local.
� �� , ��, �� . ��
�� , �� .
� �� , �� - �� . ��
�� , �� .

> Alex

Valentin Davydov

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Dec 16, 2009, 9:35:45 AM12/16/09

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> From: Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru>
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:40:19 +0000 (UTC)

>
>AM> � �� - �� rpm?
>� � � �� . �� , ��?
>
>AM> �� , ��
>AM> ��.
>� �� - � �� /local/, �� .

��. �� , � � �� make index ��
��.

��. ��.

Alex Korchmar

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Valentin Davydov <s...@m.davydov.spb.su> wrote:

>>� �� - � �� /local/, �� .
VD> ��. �� ,
� �� -��, �� world ��
�� , ��?

VD> � � �� make index ��
VD> ��.
�� sup � ��, � �� -2 �� .

> Alex

Valentin Davydov

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> From: Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru>
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:50:07 +0000 (UTC)

>
>>>� �� - � �� /local/, �� .
>VD> ��. �� ,
>� �� -��, �� world ��
>�� , ��?

�� openssl, rtld � /bin/sh - � �� .

>VD> � � �� make index ��
>VD> ��.
>�� sup � ��, � �� -2 �� .

��-��, � � csup �� ӣ �� , � �-��, �ݣ ��
��, �� : �� .

��. ��.

Eugene Grosbein

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16 �� 2009, ��, � 18:50 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

>>>� �� - � �� /local/, �� .
VD>> ��. �� ,

AK> � �� -��, �� world ��
AK> �� , ��?

VD>> � � �� make index ��
VD>> ��.

AK> �� sup � ��, � �� -2 �� .

� ��-�� cvsup �� .
�� ݣ � �� cvsup-without-gui.

Eugene
--
�� , �� ? (Alek Kovrik)
�� . �� - �� . (�. ��)

Alex Korchmar

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:56:39 PM12/16/09

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

AK>> �� sup � ��, � �� -2 �� .

EG> � ��-�� cvsup �� .
�� .

H� � �� , �� .

> Alex

Alex Korchmar

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:59:11 PM12/16/09

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Valentin Davydov <s...@m.davydov.spb.su> wrote:

>>� �� -��, �� world ��
>>�� , ��?

VD> �� openssl, rtld � /bin/sh - � �� .
� �� - �� -��, ��
�� sh �� .

>>�� sup � ��, � �� -2 �� .
ruby, ��, �� .

��, ��
�� ?

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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16 �� 2009, ��, � 20:56 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

AK>>> �� sup � ��, � �� -2 �� .
EG>> � ��-�� cvsup �� .

AK> �� .
AK> H� � �� , ��
AK> ��.

cvsup-without-gui �� , �� .

Eugene
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�� , �� ,
� �� ,
�� 30 �� .

Eugene Grosbein

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:28:12 PM12/16/09

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16 �� 2009, ��, � 20:59 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

AK> ��, ��
AK> �� ?

�� php � �� generic scripting language?

Eugene
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�� , ��-��, �� ,
�� .

Alex Korchmar

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Dec 16, 2009, 1:39:18 PM12/16/09

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

AK>> ��, ��
AK>> �� ?
EG> �� php � �� generic scripting language?
� �� php?

> Alex

Eugene Grosbein

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16 �� 2009, ��, � 21:39 KRAT, Alex Korchmar ��(�):

AK>>> ��, ��
AK>>> �� ?
EG>> �� php � �� generic scripting

EG>> language?
AK> � �� php?

cacti, smokeping. H��, �� , �� -
�� .

Eugene
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In G~d We Tr~st

Slawa Olhovchenkov

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Dec 16, 2009, 2:05:38 PM12/16/09

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Hello Alex!

16 Dec 09, Alex Korchmar writes to Valentin Davydov:

>>> � �� -��, �� world ��
>>> �� , ��?
VD>> �� openssl, rtld � /bin/sh - � �� .

AK> � �� - �� -��,
AK> �� sh �� .

>>> �� sup � ��, � �� -2 �� .
AK> ruby, ��, �� .

AK> ��, ��
AK> �� ?

�� ?

java = X11 = perl + pyton.

... �� . �� .

Alex Korchmar

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Eugene Grosbein <Eugene....@f1.n5006.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

EG>>> �� php � �� generic scripting
EG>>> language?
AK>> � �� php?

EG> cacti, smokeping. H��, �� , �� -
�� ...��-�� -��,
��, �� ,
�� , ��,
�� , � �� -�� , �
�� .

EG> �� .
�� php ��, � �� -�� .

> Alex

Alex Korchmar

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Slawa Olhovchenkov <Slawa.Olh...@f500.n5030.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

AK>> ��, ��
AK>> �� ?
SO> �� ?
SO> java = X11 = perl + pyton.
Resolving package dependencies...

The following packages are going to be REMOVED:
java-1_5_0-sun java-1_6_0-openjdk java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin java-1_6_0-sun
java-1_6_0-sun-plugin

�� X11.

zypper rm python
Loading repository data...
Reading installed packages...
Resolving package dependencies...

The following packages are going to be REMOVED:
audit-libs-python command-not-found dbus-1-python gimp-plugins-python hplip
libxml2-python lsb policycoreutils python python-cairo python-gnome python-gobject2
python-gtk python-notify python-numeric python-orbit python-qt python-qt4
python-satsolver python-selinux python-sip python-urlgrabber pyxml rpm-python scout
smolt system-config-printer

�� -�� .

��, ��, �� , ��
��. H� � �� 2 �
ruby. �� -�� ,
� �� _��_ �� .
��
�� .

> Alex

Alex Korchmar

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Dec 16, 2009, 4:49:16 PM12/16/09

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Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM> H� ��, �� ӣ �� - �� /root/
AM> �� , �� .
�� ?
��. ��
�� , �� .

AM> �� rpm �� local-packages, � ��
AM> �� rpm'� � ��
AM> ��. �?
� �� - �� ?
�� 200 �� 50 rpm'�� -�� ?

H��, ��, �� .

AM> ��, �� - "�� ".
�� .
��, �� - �� , ��
�� .

� � �� , ��
� �� , � �� , �� , ��. H� ��
�� .

> Alex

Slawa Olhovchenkov

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:39:08 PM12/16/09

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Hello Alex!

17 Dec 09, Alex Korchmar writes to Slawa Olhovchenkov:

AK>>> ��, ��
AK>>> �� ?
SO>> �� ?
SO>> java = X11 = perl + pyton.

AK> Resolving package dependencies...

AK> The following packages are going to be REMOVED:
AK> java-1_5_0-sun java-1_6_0-openjdk java-1_6_0-openjdk-plugin
AK> java-1_6_0-sun java-1_6_0-sun-plugin

AK> �� X11.

��, �� X11.

AK> zypper rm python
AK> Loading repository data...
AK> Reading installed packages...
AK> Resolving package dependencies...

� �� , �� .
� �� xcb ��
/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/xcbgen
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 1 Aug 31 03:12 __init__.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 144 Aug 31 03:12 __init__.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 144 Aug 31 03:12 __init__.pyo
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 116 Aug 31 03:12 error.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 447 Aug 31 03:12 error.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 447 Aug 31 03:12 error.pyo
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 2965 Aug 31 03:12 expr.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3061 Aug 31 03:12 expr.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3061 Aug 31 03:12 expr.pyo
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 3534 Aug 31 03:12 matcher.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5194 Aug 31 03:12 matcher.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 5194 Aug 31 03:12 matcher.pyo
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 5141 Aug 31 03:12 state.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6908 Aug 31 03:12 state.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6908 Aug 31 03:12 state.pyo
-r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 16352 Aug 31 03:12 xtypes.py
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19272 Aug 31 03:12 xtypes.pyc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 19272 Aug 31 03:12 xtypes.pyo

AK> ��, ��, �� , ��
AK> ��. H� � �� 2
AK> � ruby. �� -��
AK> ��, � �� _��_ ��
AK> ��. ��
AK> �� .

��.
��

... H� �� , �� .

Slawa Olhovchenkov

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:14:54 PM12/16/09

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Hello Alex!

17 Dec 09, Alex Korchmar writes to Slawa Olhovchenkov:

AK>>> �� X11.
SO>> ��, �� X11.
AK> �� , ��
AK> ��.

��-�� , �� dlopen �� .
�� , �� .

SO>> ��.
SO>> ��
AK> �� - �� .

� �� ? �� ?

... 60�� .

Andrey Melnikoff

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:45:17 PM12/16/09

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:
AK> Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM>> HО©╫ О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫сё О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ /root/
AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
AK> О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫?
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫сё. О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ depends?
О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ bind'О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ ?

Valentin Davydov

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> From: Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru>
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:09:38 +0000 (UTC)

>
> AK>> �� X11.
>SO> ��, �� X11.

>�� , ��
>��.

� �� . � ��, �� X11.

��. ��.

Alex Korchmar

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Valentin Davydov <s...@m.davydov.spb.su> wrote:

>>SO> ��, �� X11.
>>�� , ��
>>��.

VD> � �� . � ��, �� X11.
� �� ?

> Alex

Alex Korchmar

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Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM> �� - �� ӣ. �� - ��
AM> �� . ��
��?
AM> �� depends?
�� - �� .
�� - �� .

AM> �� bind'��
�� - �� . �� , � ��
�� -�� .

> Alex

Slawa Olhovchenkov

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Dec 17, 2009, 4:42:34 AM12/17/09

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Hello Alex!

17 Dec 09, Alex Korchmar writes to Valentin Davydov:

>>> SO> ��, �� X11.
>>> �� , ��
>>> ��.
VD>> � �� . � ��, �� X11.

AK> � �� ?

�� , � ��

... �� p� - �� p��. (c) GreenPeace

Victor Krapivin

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:07:51 AM12/17/09

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> ��-�� , �� dlopen �� .
> �� , �� .

�... �� ?

--
Viktor

Slawa Olhovchenkov

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:55:20 AM12/17/09

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Hello Victor!

17 Dec 09, Victor Krapivin writes to Slawa Olhovchenkov:

>> ��-�� , �� dlopen �� .
>> �� , �� .

VK> �... �� ?

�� .

... �� , �� .

Alex Korchmar

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Dec 17, 2009, 10:11:34 AM12/17/09

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Slawa Olhovchenkov <Slawa.Olh...@f500.n5030.z2.fidonet.org> wrote:

VD>>> � �� . � ��, �� X11.
AK>> � �� ?

SO> �� , � ��
�� - s60 �� .

� �� Core ?

> Alex

Victor Krapivin

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Dec 17, 2009, 12:22:42 PM12/17/09

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> >> ��-�� , �� dlopen �� .
> >> �� , �� .
>
> VK> �... �� ?
>
> �� .

�� , � �� "��
��". � �� rpm -qR �� .

--
Viktor

Slawa Olhovchenkov

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:00:02 AM12/17/09

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Hello Victor!

17 Dec 09, Victor Krapivin writes to Slawa Olhovchenkov:

>> >> ��-�� , �� dlopen �� .

>> >> �� , �� .
>>
>> VK> �... �� ?
>>
>> �� .

VK> �� , � �� "��
VK> ��". � �� rpm -qR �� .

��

... �� .

Andrey Melnikoff

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:15:53 AM12/17/09

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:
AK> Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫сё. О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫
AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫?
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ ? О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫

AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ depends?
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫.
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫.
HО©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫О©╫О©╫
О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

AM>> О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ bind'О©╫О©╫
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫, О©╫ О©╫О©╫
AK> О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫-О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.
О©╫О©╫О©╫. О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ - О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫... О©╫О©╫О©╫ О©╫ О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫О©╫.

Eugene B. Berdnikov

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Dec 17, 2009, 12:20:42 PM12/17/09

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Alex Korchmar <nor...@linux.e-moe.ru> wrote:
AK> Andrey Melnikoff <temnot...@kmv.ru> wrote:

AK>
AM>> �� bind'��
AK> �� - �� . �� , � ��
AK> �� -�� .

��, �� Σ� �� .
--
Eugene Berdnikov

Victor Krapivin

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Dec 17, 2009, 2:15:39 PM12/17/09

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> VK> �� , � �� "��
> VK> ��". � �� rpm -qR �� .
>
> ��

��,��? ;-)

--
Viktor

Slawa Olhovchenkov

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Dec 17, 2009, 1:21:50 PM12/17/09

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Hello Victor!

17 Dec 09, Victor Krapivin writes to Slawa Olhovchenkov:

>> VK> �� , � �� "��

>> VK> ��". � �� rpm -qR �� .
>>
>> ��

VK> ��,��? ;-)

��

... �� : ��, ��, �� - � �� !